Redefining "Use of Force"
We had a bunch of fun with the term "deescalating" earlier this year. It gave rise to the "De-Escalante" nickname foisted upon the interim Supernintendo.
Then we heard Eddie "Never saw nuthin" Johnson praising the officer who used a Taser to take a police shooter into custody. If the officer was aware that the subject had dropped his weapon, then the Taser would be a viable option, but you better be damn sure to have a copper with a gun backing you up to drop the assailant if he wasn't following directions.
But then this was brought to our attention. A concerted effort to rewrite the entire Use of Force paradigm, starting in that bastion of leftist thought and action - California:
Then we heard Eddie "Never saw nuthin" Johnson praising the officer who used a Taser to take a police shooter into custody. If the officer was aware that the subject had dropped his weapon, then the Taser would be a viable option, but you better be damn sure to have a copper with a gun backing you up to drop the assailant if he wasn't following directions.
But then this was brought to our attention. A concerted effort to rewrite the entire Use of Force paradigm, starting in that bastion of leftist thought and action - California:
- Government is looking at a proposal for creating a statewide “use of force” policy for law enforcement. The creator of this project is talking to politicians and the media, special interest groups—but REFUSES to talk to law enforcement officers, to hear their concerns. This is an attempt to politicalize law enforcement—to make them an arm of the State instead of protection for the public.
“Ironically, one key PERF’s proposal on use of force calls for peace officers to “consider how the public will view the action” before deciding to employ force. Let’s apply that PERF concept to our invitation for Mr. Wexler. “How will rank-and-file peace officers view Mr. Wexler’s refusal to discuss the PERF guidelines before audiences of rank-and-file deputies and police officers?"
That underlined portion right there - that is going to get police officers killed. And PERF (the Police Executive Research Forum) is obviously a bunch of ninnies who pretty much never spent any more time on the street than they had to. Otherwise, they'd be taking input fro the people who are going to have to live, or die, with their stupid uninformed crap.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
112 Comments:
Just another indicator that the SJWs care more about the feelings of the little darlings than the safety of those entrusted with protecting life and property and enforcing the laws the pols enacted to protect society.
"Gee that guy just took a shot at me!"
"How will it look to the rest of the community and the media if I drop the motherfucker with 2 rounds to the chest and I round to the head?"
"Not good."
"Maybe if I bob and weave I can get close enough to deploy my Taser?"
"Or maybe I should try to talk the guy into dropping his weapon and surrendering."
"He just took another shot at me!!!"
"Fuck it, I'm pulling my gun and dropping the POS!"
Let NOBLE come up with a new police order they have all the answers!
Just drive the speed limit to the calls lights and siren blaring all the way to the address . You will never encounter an armed offender again .
Problem solved .
“Ironically, one key PERF’s proposal on use of force calls for peace officers to “consider how the public will view the action” before deciding to employ force. Let’s apply that PERF concept to our invitation for Mr. Wexler. “How will rank-and-file peace officers view Mr. Wexler’s refusal to discuss the PERF guidelines before audiences of rank-and-file deputies and police officers?"
OK...
Make the armed wing of the Catered-To Constituency
abide by these rules first...
>Crickets<
Yeah... We thought so...
Other than that, this pointy-head,
yellow-pinky liberal prog-tard and
the rest of his ilk can squat on
national TV and take a goodly
sized shit in his hat.
M/Fers are beside themselves with
joy over The Police being tied in knots
And walked to a stand-still...
You have no friends so Police accordingly...
I am retired CPD. During early morning hours, I occasionally go into a lakefront park after closing at 11 PM and encounter feral youths who from over 7-10 yards away ask me stupid questions that in my CPD experience are a prelude to a robbery if not worse. You would be amazed that in several such incidents, when these predators see a laser dot dancing on their chests, they flee and perhaps soil their panties.
QUESTION: While iron sights should be mastered, why doesn't the CPD allow officers to equip their weapons with zeroed-in lasers? I firmly believe it would pose one hell of a deterrent. Also, in my encounters, no paperwork and all happy endings.
Even a predatory moron would realize that he is only nanoseconds away from fatal gunfire when he sees that red (or green) dot dancing on his center mass (or his face/head).
“Consider how the public will view the action” before deciding to employ force."
Consider will you get home alive to see your wife and kids again, more like.
Here's a policy change from someone who cares stop letting offenders leave a court room without any type of accountability enforced by our court systems...and criminals stop commiting crimes...
People who have NEVER had to fight for/against
a damned thing in their lives, have decided that
The Police need to take more time in a time-stands-still
moment be be sure that WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO SALVAGE
A MOMENT GONE HORRIBLY WRONG and make sure it's palatable
to the public.
Or else...
"Duty To Retreat"
One hell of a choice they're laying out for us,
isn't it?
Heh...
You "Supportive Silent Majority" people...
This seems to be you last of ever dwindling chances
to firmly check the madness of these well funded,
nation-hating socialists who are trying to undo
society.
You should read what Massad Ayoob has to say about these guidelines. He does not like them either.
If you do not know who Mr. Ayoob is, you should learn. If you ever have to shoot someone, and are defending yourself in a trial, HE is the one person you want as an expert witness.
Let me guess?
Chicago has a representative on the committee. He is a clouted merit hack that spent about three weeks on the streets?
Here is a good analysis of these guidelines,
http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2016/03/22/part-6-an-explanation/
interesting my dear Watson... judging from what I just read, the standard is not of what a reasonable officer would do, but of a civilian. VERY NICE... what a reasonable officer would do, is to prepare to get tossed under a bus in majority of the situation a CPD officer comes to face with
They need 24hrs as a guard at cook county . So they get a taste of the people we are trying to protect society from. See how hugging them works. Give my life up for a evil people. I dont think so
PERF, never spent a day on the street. They have never spent anytime on the street. if they did, it was at 1060 W Addison, for a day game.
As a citizen, I am outraged at how poorly the CPD is being treated. I work in labor, my job depends on me DOING MY JOB. My bosses are dicks, but they know my job is vital.
9 1/2 is using you, and pumping you dry, to make himself look better. He has the alder creatures, and the rev runs now on his side.
Stay fetal. Do not get involved in an "investigation".
CPD, you have other options. Please take a look at them if you are vested. Look at other options. Think about your future pension. 9 1/2 is out to screw you.
I would like to propose a counterbalance to PERF. This will be called NERF. NERF will require that "justice involved" folks consider local laws and regulations, safety of others, and consequences of their actions before committing a crime. NERF will also ask that parenting become a priority along with school and getting jobs. See? PERF and NERF will help make this the utopia it should be. Maybe not.
All these pos should be required to ride along for a week in the worst areas. A little insight is something their allergic to
what all this means is that the democrats, media and the citizens don't give a shit about a PO's life. This shows that the criminals have more rights than the police, God what a f@cked up country when the vote is the only thing that matters. Stay Fetal and most of all don't chase anybody not worth it
"is obviously a bunch of ninnies who pretty much never spent any more time on the street than they had to"
Good description of the career house mice on this department.
This would turn the job of being a police officer into the most desirable job ever. Why you ask? Because at what job can you go to where its policy not to do your job? Police work as you know it is dead. They are about to order us not put are hands on anybody. I can do that.
Understand that Chuck Wexler is the epitome of the Ivory Tower doofus. The man has never made a viable contribution to anything in his life. He loves to bring "experts" together -usually fitting into a radical agenda - and writing down what they've said while taking credit for the product. PERF is dangerous to society, not just police officers.
The idiots in California and elsewhere that want this type of policing better get use to coppers taking a real super duper snails pace slow roll to whatever the energency is. In short if you are getting robbed, raped, shot at, assaulted or battered and the police may have to use any type of force to save your pretty little ass and this policy is in effect then don't expect the police to hurry to your emergency. Hence , maybe the incident will be over once the police finally arrive. I've said it before and I will say it again , be careful what you wish for because you might just get it
Use of Force revision. In the current climate, you had to see that coming.
Who is funding these assholes?
Follow the money.
“...consider how the public will view the action” before deciding to employ force."
Perhaps that should be rewritten as, "....consider how the ghetto will view the action...."
MOST people back up and support the police. I certainly do. I wish that all the cops that have been stolen from Lakeview to police the ghetto (who hates you and doesn't want you around) would be returned to our area. Lakeview residents/taxpayers support the police. We want you around. We want you to be safe and go home to your families at the end of your tour.
I absolutely love the idea. We should be doing this all ready. If you KNOW your actions are going to fire up a community, riot, loot, and possibly get other coppers hurt, businesses hurt then DONT do it. If you do then get ready to me the media's poster child and the communities punching bag! Charged to the fullest extent! Just sayin.
Not a cop but I work in the IT industry. As a warning, please do not send any disparaging comments on text or emails. There are many other cities where they are busting cops using texts and emails against them. Be warned. Those emails and texts can be kept forever. I know because in our line of work we are ordered to turn over the backups when it is asked of us.
All we need is someone like Sheriff Joe or Sheriff Gaulteri to tell these people the difference between right and wrong. Then drop the mic and walk out of the press conference. SCC thank you for your part in the counter brainwashing
Who will rewrite the use of force protocol ? An empty holster house cat? A fat ass who spent 20 years at the academy ? A hard ass tuff range guy? The city and the department will be a better place when politics and rham is removed from the CPD.
Each of the unions should vehemently oppose Johnson's statement that the use of a taser was correct, unless he can better define how and why that force option was used. We've had about 6 cops shot so far this year. We don't get this bullshit about force straightened out quickly we are going to have a cop or two killed this year over fear of litigation or hesitation to do the job.
4/28/2016 1:04am
YES! I do the same. The laser dot on center mass or head of dude is a big deterrent.
All I have to say to this nonsense is: I'm going to retire!
Let the criminals have the streets! Let the citizens get a carry and conceal license! I'm NOT getting killed for the sake of Politics by these lefty lunatics!
I advise all young people to seek another line of work other than being a Police Officer!
KMA 25+ years
PERF is rapidly losing what little credibility that they once enjoyed. They are pushing departments to change from "Use of Force" language to "Response to Resistance" language. Another organization that has chosen to pander to the bleeding heart right wing socio-communists who want to take over this country!
Don't forget, the LAPD officers who were arrested and convicted over Rodney King, were following the use of force policy of the department and the department training officers testified to this at their trial. They were not guilty in the state trial but guilty in federal court.
That Wexler was a favorite of Hillary and Phil- had him at meetings quite frequently. Just a wordsmith- a lot of talk that amounted to nothing but I bet he charged a dollar or two.
Was that sposed to be "Use of Farce"?
01:14:00 am PRECISELY! Exactly. My first gut reaction.
01:45:00 am Sage advice sir/madam.
Been following Ayoob since I first read his book "Stressfire"
He has written many more all worthwhile reading.
Check him out on YouTube.
"...I occasionally go to a lakefront park after 11 pm...."
Yes, I have seen you there and I know why you go there.
From one who knows.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
What a pile of horse shit! 20 and out us looking good ....because that's the kind of shit that will make me quit
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Let NOBLE come up with a new police order they have all the answers!
4/28/2016 12:35:00 AM
LOVE IT!
They want to send sheep to control rabid coyotes. The results are easily predictable.
Can anyone tell me, what the burn out ratio of a Police Officer in Chicago?
In the 70's in Cali, cops were leaving between 5 and 10 years, just 2much
crime!
QUESTION: While iron sights should be mastered, why doesn't the CPD allow officers to equip their weapons with zeroed-in lasers? I firmly believe it would pose one hell of a deterrent. Also, in my encounters, no paperwork and all happy endings.
Here is your answer, they allow a laser sight on a taser, but won't allow it on a gun. The department is backwards and are all idiots. I have used a taser sight on offenders and you should see how they calm down, back up, then comply. They won't use it on a gun BECAUSE IT IS TOO INTIMIDATING. End of story.
Fortunately the current US Supreme court ruling regarding use of force does not require an officer consider "community reaction" only that it is reasonable form the eye of the officer. Unfortunately the pandering liberal progressive politicians don't see it that way. If they gain control of the White House and Senate and pack the court that may change.
Suspect Shot With Taser Is Able To Shoot And Kill Police Officer In Seaside, Oregon…
Feb 6, 2016
SEASIDE — A police officer in Seaside, Oregon, was fatally shot as he was serving an arrest warrant Friday night, authorities said.
The 55-year-old suspect, who was shot by another officer, also died.
Clatsop County District Attorney Josh Marquis on Saturday identified the officer as Seaside police Sgt. Jason Goodding, 39, who joined the police department in 2003.
Authorities say the shooting happened Friday night in downtown Seaside as Goodding and another officer were attempting to arrest a man wanted on a warrant for felony assault.
When the man, identified as Phillip Ferry of Seaside, wouldn't show his hands, the other officer used a Taser on him, Marquis said. While the Taser seemed to incapacitate Ferry, "it didn't do much more," he said.
The suspect went down on the ground. When Goodding tried to subdue him, Ferry pulled out gun and fired once. The other officer returned fire, shooting the suspect, who later died at a local hospital. The second officer was not hurt.
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/crime/2016/02/06/officer-shot-killed-downtown-seaside/79921212/
Just more bullshit. Can't control the criminals so let's make more rules for the cops. There's only one law that will never be written, that will have an impact on crime.
Criminals are supposed to be afraid of the police, not voted into office so they can control the police.
Someone already said it but it bears repeating, fuck what the public will think, shoot that pos so you go home to your family.
Police Lives Matter!
J.J.
Mr Crimson Trace
The Department does not allow laser sight for several reasons.
Chief among them is a lack of balls. Laser sights are damn intimidating. And we don't want to ruffle the feathers of the poor criminal class. City and Department fail to understand that intimidation can be a great control tool. No injuries.
Carried a laser pen on patrol for a few years. Turned a few situations around into safely resolved.
Some PDs did put them on the guns of their transit police.
Also the laser can cause eye injury.
Well if I'm still allowed to carry a loaded service weapon on duty then I'll defend myself using a reasonable amount of force to defeat a threat if all else fails and shut up, call an attorney. I may be fired but I'll be alive. Afterwards Sue the offenders estate and city.
Reasonable and necessary .
Let me guess?
Chicago has a representative on the committee. He is a clouted merit hack that spent about three weeks on the streets?
Bazinga!!!
Justice - involved. I was justice involved when I took a sworn oath and patrolled the streets. I was one of the few in my northside district who was actually shot at while on duty.
John wayne gacy and jack ruby were justice involved, too.
Abandon the ghetto, boys and girls.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So, I'm not sure if anyone else's district has had this yet, but we were surprised yesterday by the sudden arrival of a civilian employee working behind the district desk without fore warning, handing out radios, being trained on AIRA, having I-clear access, not to mention the equipment, old shotguns, rifles. This person has access to all of our computer systems, employee information, leads, ect. All the access we have. No badge, no oath taken. A 3 week stint in the academy. Doing more with less I guess. Did they not learn their lesson three years ago when police officers homes were being burglarized and weapons taken, turns out the source was a civilian with login credentials?! In this current era of no accountability and police hatred, we now have people that have unabated access to not only the computer systems, but the actual police station. Un-fucking believeable.
4/27/2016 08:26:00 PM
As much as I agree with you that there can be bad citizens with access to our info, remember we also have police with access to our info. You think it doesn't happen, well it has. I worked in 007 in the 1990's. There was a P.O. named Aaron Gibson who worked lock up. He stole my info and many other officers personal info and took out credit cards in our names. He racked up many thousands in purchases. He hit me up for $10,000 in charges. He was arrested, convicted and fired. He has since died but he was an example of a piece of shit officer. So yes assholes and thieves can be the P.O. you sit next to at roll call.
Ramsey could no longer sit idly by while 9.5 micromanaged this police department. Says it all about this 2 term communist, self enriching wonder who has a ton of african american blood on his hands because he refuses to provide the proper protection for the citizens of this city. Hey rahm, Do you feel the walls closing in?
4/28/2016 12:42:00 AM
As much as I dislike rahm and would like to blame him for everything, but how do you blame him for a ton of African American blood for not providing the proper protection. I work in 007. A 3 mile by 3 mile area. We have more manpower than the largest white districts. We have cars up the ass. we have outside units, outside agencies, mission cars, tact cars, gang cars, vri, boxes, missions. You can't drive 2 blocks without seeing another cop. Yet with all this manpower and police people are getting shot and killed. You can't blame the mayor, the superintendent, the commander, or the officers on the street. Nothing(and that includes useless boxes, missions and the bullshit VRI)will stop dude from killing dude if he wants to.
Please read all you can on PERF and CALEA standards they want and are currently implementing for all law enforcement agencies. Its frightening. They want to institute progressive liberal thinking into law enforcement training and policy. This stuff is going to get more officers and civilians killed. Its all nonsence and ridiculous. If you dont have a lot if time on the job, consider a back up career plan in another field. If a lot if this stuff makes it through you are going to be throwing yourself into the lion pit.
Speaking of ninnies . . .. while we are getting our collective asses handed to us by the media and Rahmbo has his bus parked on our heads. Nothing to see here. . . FOP State Lodge has agreed to pay Shields $100,000 to get out from under his lawsuit. The battle with Lodge 7 continues. So that's 100K of our money paid by the State (wasn't it the State Lodge President that removed him?) and now how much more from L7??? I think the members should at least be informed about what is going on with this and who admitted to what!
EJ please watch!!!!! Your words are going to get people killed.
https://www.facebook.com/izzodominick/videos/1043094529094061/
Freeze! Put your hands in the air!
I see that you are not cooperating but are instead reaching into your pants. I shall standby to see if it is a weapon or...
I see that you have produced what appears to be a weapon. Rather than assuming it is real, I shall wait for you to point it at me.
You are now pointing what appears be a real gun at me. As it still may be a toy or other harmless replica, I will continue to hesitate and wait until you shoot a hole in my chest big enough to see through before using deadly force...
That's a joke that's been coverted to actual police policy in ths sick country.
I'd like to personally thank the Blackhawks for improving my odds of not blowing hot in the next few months
Use of force? read this story wtf is going on, let's hope we don't "second guess" pointed a gun at officers turned out to be replica weapon, guy a known FELON,and he gets charged with bullshit misdemeanors!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-man-arrested-after-pointing-look-alike-gun-at-chicago-police-20160428-story.html
All the misdemeanors and this pos thug will be walking the streets as quick as paperwork is done! Judge will not do anything as typical with the completely corrupt crook county system!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-man-arrested-after-pointing-look-alike-gun-at-chicago-police-20160428-story.html
Stay fetal, protect blue! Working last night man with a knife in store in 008,on western funny how things work no cars available, numerous calls, sergeant had to have a vri car respond. HIRE!HIRE!HIRE rahmbo, this summer will be epic, you seem to like national news rahm, and why did you allow the billionaire NFL owner to have "draft town" here and you waived millions in fees? Is the cities treasurer chest that overflowing? You could of charged (they are not coming back after this year anyway your pandering did not work as usual) you could of used the "fees" and put in what is part of billions stolen from pension funds!
Anti-Public Safety Activist REFUSES to Address Proposals to Law Enforcement—Public Safety NOT His Concern
April 18, 2016 By Stephen Frank
"Government is looking at a proposal for creating a statewide “use of force” policy for law enforcement. The creator of this project is talking to politicians and the media, special interest groups—but REFUSES to talk to law enforcement officers, to hear their concerns."
So Wexler is full of shit.
He KNOWS he's full of shit.
Those of his ilk KNOW he's full of shit
because they themselves are also full of shit.
He KNOWS the agenda and narrative
he's promoting IS downright toxic,
and a clear and present danger
to society.
Why then, aren't the so called "Silent Majority," assertively
checking him and others of his ilk whose only Rx for what
ails society is to "take it to" The Police?
Especially in Democrat controlled urban centers.
All while feigning a blissful, doped-up on PC ignorance to the carnage
and havoc being caused by the inhabitants of said urban centers?
Election Night 2008...
We and a few others of mental clarity,
discernment and visual acuity, were right
on the money with the prediction that the
Warrior/Protectors as embodied by The
Police and The Military, we're going to be
in for a world of hurt at the hands of these
strange/odd/queer progressive types who
really had/have nothing in common with the
everyman, but were somehow, in spite of
being hollow, were allowed to gain access
to the levers of national power.
See what they've done?
But to point out how they have betrayed
and miserably failed to safeguard and
grow this nation in real and measurable
safety, productivity and prosperity for those
who actually pay the freight.
These good citizens have seen their net worth,
earnings and savings evaporate before their eyes
and any reasonable expectation of safety burned
to a crisp to pander to those who make up the lowest
denominator solely because their rate of replication
has been politically, socially and culturally weaponized.
CALEA and PERF. Birds of a feather...
if the radio response is "squad, offender gone on arrival" you don't even have to get out of the car, class of Jan 66...
"I am retired CPD. During early morning hours, I occasionally go into a lakefront park after closing at 11 PM and encounter feral youths who from over 7-10 yards away ask me stupid questions that in my CPD experience are a prelude to a robbery if not worse."
4/28/2016 01:04:00 AM
Oh, yeah, the classic jackroller routine. Feeling you out, sizing you up, building on it until they decide to "Just Do It."
"Hey, man. Is you alright? Is you alright, man?"
"Is yo' name Bob?"
*
"Even a predatory moron would realize that he is only nanoseconds away from fatal gunfire when he sees that red (or green) dot dancing on his center mass (or his face/head)."
4/28/2016 01:04:00 AM
Should have seen the film of that a__hole Dzokhar Tsarnaev, the Boston Marathon bomber, at the end of the gun battle with him. He was hiding in a ground-stored boat. Came bleeding and crawling out an opening, and the dots had him lit up like a light show at the old Fillmore East...
Important, though, that some people are so crazy that NOTHING "deters" them. HaRdHeAd tHuG 2 d eNd, gonna have to be put down. They insist on it.
Now, in addition to working comatose and fetal, I will consider how my actions may be veiwed by the community. This consideration will now be employed when the job is dispatched and then reevaluated as I get to the job, even before the use of force consideration is debated. (You can't be too cautious in this environment, correct?) This consideration will take time as a thoughtful evaluation can not be made in haste. "Squad, I may be a while getting to the job as I am now considering how my actions will look to the community. " 10-4, squad?"
Consider me considerably more FETAL
Policing like I have no friends
A man can now piss next to your daughter because it might hurt his feelings if he can't. If you keep pushing and nobody ever says no you'll keep pushing until you get what you want, no matter how stupid it is.
@ 4/28/2016 12:18:00 AM
"Gee that guy just took a shot at me!"
"He just took another shot at me!!!"
If only you Cops would just stop being so
aggressive in defending yourselves
and protecting your own lives.
C'mon!
Die a little! It's humanizing!
It would take a little edge off the public anger,
hatred and mistrust toward you.
Sneed, Spielman, Steinberg Novak, Fusco, Brown,
Zorn & Co. might even deign to wax eloquent and sympathetic
about you if you guys would not be so damned ferocious
in protecting yourselves. It's bad enough they're saying you've
greatly curtailed your public presence and interaction and you're
only respond to drop a report and remove the bodies.
C'mon guys! Throw 'em a bone! Stop selfishly protecting
yourselves. They know Cops are trained to die so show 'em
how it's done. Let them see more of the reknown "Sea of Blue"
of an honors funeral. After all, the new PERF standards say
your supposed to aim for a positive public response to your
use of lethal force incidents. If you don't shoot back at the
catered-to constituents, you'll be a hero whose example in
willing sacrifice will be no doubt praised and emulated!
Hell! Rahm might just even forego his vow to
"Stick it in the Cops ear."
Just think... No more spilled ink about
your blue collar ire, conservative >Shudder!< leanings
and your hulking, heavy-fisted, Old Chicago beefiness
and your perceived sore lamentation of it not being
1960 anymore.
(sarcasm)
It's actually called making The Police embrace
the new and improved, white guilting liberal
progressive/#blm/new black panther/
assata's daughters/aclu/doj SUCK...
And smile about it. Or else...
They fully expect AND encourage ol' boy to shoot at you.
They're fully invested in overwriting what you're hard-wired
to do with so much bullshit that you will, according to their
calculations, eventually be unable to perform even the most
basic function(s) of a Policeman.
Included in these are the will and mindset to use deadly force
in what a reasonable man would believe is a life threatening situation.
Their angst centers around their belief that "The Reasonable Man"
is patently unreasonable because they "feel" he isn't a member of
any catered-to constituency and he has the gift of "privilege."
(Gleefully ignoring the burdens of duty and responsibility
that "The Reasonable Man" always carries with him)
Thus, "Reasonable Man" is wrong just because it's a premise
that is too far of a logical, social and cultural leap for them.
Thus, you have the dumbing-down of society so as to
not make the lowest denominator feel bad about themselves.
>Angry fist shaking and shouts of "Racist!" In the background<
"That's why we hates da Po-leece! Y'all think y'all better'n us an' shit!"
Well, yes. We are. WE have high standards we strive to rise to.
And you have what, exactly?
Throw in the fact that at the end of the day, "Reasonable Man"
IS just a mere mortal after all and they REALLY go crazy.
Oh by the way...
M/Fer shoots at you?
>Green Light<
Go home to your families
and loved ones no matter what.
If the police have to second-guess themselves before they react, due to what residents similar to those that live in Evanston think or what the whole black lives matter group thinks, then it's going to be a dangerous or deadly situation for themselves, their co-workers and the public at large. All that I would like answered is this: Where the fuck do these asshole idiot sheep come from and how much Kool-aid have they consumed? Keep living in your sheltered, gated communities or ivory towers. You are all out of touch and disillusioned either due to stupidity, the MSM or both.
Anonymous Crimson Trace Fan said...
I am retired CPD. During early morning hours, I occasionally go into a lakefront park after closing at 11 PM and encounter feral youths who from over 7-10 yards away ask me stupid questions that in my CPD experience are a prelude to a robbery if not worse. You would be amazed that in several such incidents, when these predators see a laser dot dancing on their chests, they flee and perhaps soil their panties.
QUESTION: While iron sights should be mastered, why doesn't the CPD allow officers to equip their weapons with zeroed-in lasers? I firmly believe it would pose one hell of a deterrent. Also, in my encounters, no paperwork and all happy endings.
Even a predatory moron would realize that he is only nanoseconds away from fatal gunfire when he sees that red (or green) dot dancing on his center mass (or his face/head).
4/28/2016 01:04:00 AM
Because guns aren't to be used as deterrents. And besides when you shoot someone between the eyes they will claim that with your cool hi-tec laser site you could have wounded them or shot the gun out of their hand.
While the real criminals shoots at us we will use our bean bag so we do not hurt the bad guy and be very very politically correct for liberal America. Why anyone would want to become the police is beyond me at least not in this day and time, this whole country is going to be destroyed by this day dream culture
I don't know why so many of the posters here think that revising use of force policies is a 'democrat' thing. I know many republicans who dislike the police and feel that they hold too much power in their hands as well.
Don't forget that good 'ol conservative Iron Mike Ditka (through his lawyer) had plenty of criticisms for the state trooper who arrested (and handcuffed) him for DUI many years ago. It's not all just libs who have a known dislike for authority.
Just keeping it real.
Wexler + PERF = too much college not enough kindergarten. The same person that was working with McCarthy to "fix" our department. IDIOTS...
Just disband any and all police nation wide. It will solve all the racist bs and the economy at the same time. While we are at it, disband fire departments as well. No more free rides to the hospital. Disband any kind of free health care, no insurance, no treatment. Problem solved.
"This is an attempt to politicalize law enforcement—to make them an arm of the State instead of protection for the public."
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Since when aren't cops an arm of the state? They are in effect the government's muscle first and foremost, servants of the public second.
Anybody who thinks otherwise is just naive.
Fuck PERF
(OT) Talk about odd incident, throwing gun on roof it falls and the bullet magically discharges hitting officer? Would the only way this could happen is if hammer was pulled back?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-officer-shot-charges-20160427-story.html
In any event happy officer is ok, now officer be smart enjoy the full summer off, and see you next year all better, may god please bless police everywhere and especially in my hometown Chicago! Oh and judge no bail finally you have courage, just don't let Toni pull strings and make you release this thug gang banger! keep the animals where they belong caged up!
If I ever win the Powerball, I am going to make a movie where the liberals finally get their utopian society. Cops are stripped of all weapons and told to keep the peace with words not violence. Cops quit their jobs and liberals get robbed, shot, sexually assaulted, etc. Middle class people quit working and no taxes get paid. Poor people stop getting food stamps, WIC, unemployment, etc. because there is no money to pay for it. Thugs rise up and and burn, loot, pillage, etc. The country descends into mayhem. The few surviving liberals plead for help. Politicians reinstate the police and grant them full immunity. Police are given slapjacks, wood batons, full-auto rifles. Tennessee vs. Garner and other case law is summarily nullified. Body cameras are thrown in the trash. Thugs are methodically dealt with using old school police tactics. Peace is quickly restored. Cops are heroes once again. Credits roll. *wipes tear from eye*
There is an article called "LAPD Reform: The Beginning of the End" and it is a must read. It is another look into the PERF philosophy. One part of the article actually had me stare at the screen with my mouth open for a few seconds. Check it out below.
"The Michael Brown incident should have never occurred PERF surmised. Yes, Brown was walking in the middle of the street after committing a violent robbery and yes Officer Darren Wilson drove up to him (not knowing the robbery occurred) and asked him to get out of the roadway which caused Brown to attack Wilson and the ensuing altercation would end in the use of deadly force.
The question was recently asked at a PERF Meeting on how Officer Wilson should have handled this violent felon.
It’s simple they stated. Wilson should have never approached him walking down the middle of the street. It was that initial encounter that ultimately caused the use of deadly force."
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Speaking of ninnies . . .. while we are getting our collective asses handed to us by the media and Rahmbo has his bus parked on our heads. Nothing to see here. . . FOP State Lodge has agreed to pay Shields $100,000 to get out from under his lawsuit. The battle with Lodge 7 continues. So that's 100K of our money paid by the State (wasn't it the State Lodge President that removed him?) and now how much more from L7??? I think the members should at least be informed about what is going on with this and who admitted to what!
4/28/2016 11:13:00 AM
Hey dummy, both the State lodge and our flaccid reps at Lodge 7 are INSURED. Nothing is coming out of "our money". About the only intelligent part of your post is the members needing to be informed and names named (Daugherty, Bella, Donahue, Graham, etc.). I'm glad Shields got paid by the state lodge. I hope part of his settlement with FLOP 7 includes naming who exactly did what to facilitate Mike's fall from grace.
You recruits currently in the academy: Read this very carefully at least 5 times and then decide if you really want to be the police.
Retired Sergeant
Wexler is a hack who guides political policy for democrat mayors.
9.5 and McPissinhispants had him here in 2011 to legitimize the cuts they made.
Anonymous said...
Speaking of ninnies . . .. while we are getting our collective asses handed to us by the media and Rahmbo has his bus parked on our heads. Nothing to see here. . . FOP State Lodge has agreed to pay Shields $100,000 to get out from under his lawsuit. The battle with Lodge 7 continues. So that's 100K of our money paid by the State (wasn't it the State Lodge President that removed him?) and now how much more from L7??? I think the members should at least be informed about what is going on with this and who admitted to what!
4/28/2016 11:13:00 AM
I think when the Shields suit is done the shit is going to hit the fan.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can anyone tell me, what the burn out ratio of a Police Officer in Chicago?
In the 70's in Cali, cops were leaving between 5 and 10 years, just 2much
crime!
4/28/2016 09:24:00 AM
I don't know the exact number, though it wasn't all that high in the past. But, whatever number it WAS will be changing rapidly in the current climate. The anti-police frenzy has been whipped to a gale force wind in the last two years and people are leaving in droves like never before.
Never heard so many people planning to get out the day after they have their 20yrs in and lock in a minimum pension. Time to save your life, freedom and future and just get out of policing.
Does confronting a Panda in a suicide vest require an I.S.R?
J.J.
4/28/2016 10:04:00 AM
Criminals are supposed to be afraid of the police, not voted into office so they can control the police.
On the nose !
ABCD
ABCD (Ret)
Now Baltimore is going to have "Panda Lives Matter" Riots.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Who will rewrite the use of force protocol ? An empty holster house cat? A fat ass who spent 20 years at the academy ? A hard ass tuff range guy? The city and the department will be a better place when politics and rham is removed from the CPD.
4/28/2016 07:54:00 AM
You must be a joy to work with.
third world countries have more violent crime than Chicago but wait until they water down the Police force we're catching up to their statistics of persons shot and persons shot and killed
Even a predatory moron would realize that he is only nanoseconds away from fatal gunfire when he sees that red (or green) dot dancing on his center mass (or his face/head).
4/28/2016 01:04:00 AM
Uhhhhhhhh, fuck me, gotta chalk this one up to you had a brain fart.
Massad Ayoob (who is as pro-police as one can get) reviewed the PERF recommendations: "The Perf 30 And Police Use Of Force Part I", "Part II Where Perf Was Perf-ect", "Part 3 Perf Too Fuzzy For The Fuzz", "Part 4 Perf-idy", and "Part 5 The Perf-etrators".
Even Mas noted that there are some good things in the PERF report - along with some egregiously bad things. He endorsed 20 of the 30 recommendations, derided 6 as vague or meaningless, and denounced 4 as flat-out dangerous and wrong.
Just A Civilian (who thinks CPD officers might find Mas' comments interesting)
when are we being issued our tactical feathers and sedative laced foam guns?
It was on Fox tonight what a shithole San Francisco has become. Rampant with homeless, drug addicts, and crime has increased dramatically. Goofy liberal progressives. Some of their ilk in Chicago are cut from the same cloth.
CPD has to deal with violent felons, wanton criminals, illegal aliens and communities afflicted with abject stupidity. You have the so called political leadership pandering to these shitbags looking for votes.
I can't wait until Chicago is a distant memory.
Why did the racist police have to shoot the Panda Guy in Baltimore. Couldn't they just bribe him with eucalyptus leaves? Remember PANDA LIVES MATTER!!!
"...consider how the public will view the action" It would be truthful to say, "...consider how a certain segment of the public would feel about the action, since they aren't capable of viewing events logically, and might get angry or even gleefully expired to start burning things down".
Anonymous said...
Speaking of ninnies . . .. while we are getting our collective asses handed to us by the media and Rahmbo has his bus parked on our heads. Nothing to see here. . . FOP State Lodge has agreed to pay Shields $100,000 to get out from under his lawsuit. The battle with Lodge 7 continues. So that's 100K of our money paid by the State (wasn't it the State Lodge President that removed him?) and now how much more from L7??? I think the members should at least be informed about what is going on with this and who admitted to what!
4/28/2016 11:13:00 AM
????????
The 64K dollar question is who orchestrated the take down of Shields? Who was willing to lose a years retro for everyone? Who wanted to keep his dynasty going? That's who has to pay the piper! The other clowns were just pawns. Yes willing pawns but they were followers. Who is the man behind the curtain?
Pandas eat bamboo. Koalas eat eucalyptus. Just sayin'.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why did the racist police have to shoot the Panda Guy in Baltimore. Couldn't they just bribe him with eucalyptus leaves? Remember PANDA LIVES MATTER!!!
4/28/2016 09:30:00 PM
ALL lives matter!!
(Some are more cuddly than others, though.)
"A man can now piss next to your daughter because it might hurt his feelings if he can't."
4/28/2016 01:30:00 PM
Just you wait. Bucket boys are gonna set up and drum in the ladies' room at Nordstrom's. "We genderfluid, yo. We comfortable here."
"If you keep pushing and nobody ever says no you'll keep pushing until you get what you want, no matter how stupid it is."
Yup. You cannot satisfy the insatiable.
"It was on Fox tonight what a shithole San Francisco has become. Rampant with homeless, drug addicts, and crime has increased dramatically."
4/28/2016 08:52:00 PM
Working people can't live there anymore. Dotcom II boom, tremendous number of evictions to get the old people out so you can triple, quadruple the rent and fill the place with high-paid Googlers.
But, hey, look on the bright side. "Sanctuary City" harassed the last gun store in town until the owner gave up and left.
Shields "fall from grace"? Give me a fuckig break. That kid was too young to begin with, no experience, immature and arrogant. He was destined to fall on his on fat face. -maybe with the bad advice of his brother-
4/28/2016 02:04:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I don't know why so many of the posters here think that revising use of force policies is a 'democrat' thing. I know many republicans who dislike the police and feel that they hold too much power in their hands as well.
Don't forget that good 'ol conservative Iron Mike Ditka (through his lawyer) had plenty of criticisms for the state trooper who arrested (and handcuffed) him for DUI many years ago. It's not all just libs who have a known dislike for authority.
Just keeping it real.
4/28/2016 02:27:00 PM
Mike Ditka has been very generous to police charities, especially the Officer Michael Ceriale Memorial Foundation.
Look for the cheating scandal to have thirty people who attended the Williams here's the test study it "group".A few with the answers still couldn't make top grades "idiots". you're fired! Waiting for it!
And in other news:
This month's moutza: No laughing matter
John Kass
April 28, 2016
"Which brings me to Rahm's Tiny Dancer moutza at the NFL draft in Grant Park. Rahm and NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell were at a photo op this week when up walked Chicago Bears chairman George McCaskey.
Tribune photographer Anthony Souffle was there taking photos. Here's how he described it in an email:
"As the three of them stood together, McCaskey leans in and says something to the effect of: 'What's this I hear about you being called Tiny Dancer?'"
Ouch!!!!
Emanuel studied dance at college, hence the nickname he hates.
"The moment he said it you could see the embarrassment on Emanuel's face," Souffle continued. "He leaned in and explained that it's his security detail code name, and then, I think—he was talking pretty quietly at this point—Emanuel said something about how he was hoping it would be 'Blackhawk,' or he was trying to get them to change it to Blackhawk, or something. You could tell though he was super embarrassed to be called out in front of Goodell."
McCaskey didn't exactly stick out his palm, but the photos show an embarrassed mayor wagging his finger, grimacing.
Rahm, is Tiny Dancer really your security code name? I don't buy it. Did you just say that because you didn't want Goodell to tell the rest of the NFL?
Really, Rahm? Really? Why not just call yourself "Jason Bourne."
Nah!!!!"
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-moutza-april-kass-0428-20160428-column.html
it's impossible to define every 'reasonable' use of force
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ramsey could no longer sit idly by while 9.5 micromanaged this police department. Says it all about this 2 term communist, self enriching wonder who has a ton of african american blood on his hands because he refuses to provide the proper protection for the citizens of this city. Hey rahm, Do you feel the walls closing in?
4/28/2016 12:42:00 AM
As much as I dislike rahm and would like to blame him for everything, but how do you blame him for a ton of African American blood for not providing the proper protection. I work in 007. A 3 mile by 3 mile area. We have more manpower than the largest white districts. We have cars up the ass. we have outside units, outside agencies, mission cars, tact cars, gang cars, vri, boxes, missions. You can't drive 2 blocks without seeing another cop. Yet with all this manpower and police people are getting shot and killed. You can't blame the mayor, the superintendent, the commander, or the officers on the street. Nothing(and that includes useless boxes, missions and the bullshit VRI)will stop dude from killing dude if he wants to.
4/28/2016 10:53:00 AM
You CAN blame him for not letting the Police do their jobs. You CAN blame him for the utter disregard of acceptable social behavior that he fosters through the media.
He and his merry band of 50 leeches are getting what they wanted-chaos.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Who will rewrite the use of force protocol ? An empty holster house cat? A fat ass who spent 20 years at the academy ? A hard ass tuff range guy? The city and the department will be a better place when politics and rham is removed from the CPD.
4/28/2016 07:54:00 AM
You must be a joy to work with.
4/28/2016 07:39:00 PM
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Why, Sgt. L.S. (who is a hell of a gym guy, not so much as a sgt.)
He is the depts. expert on use of force, yet he has spent less than 7 years on the mean streets of Chicago. But he'll tell you every war story anyone has told him as if it's his own.
He about as inside a guy as Lt. M.S.
Take the asshole for a ride along in 011 or 007, or 003, 002,004,005,,006,022. Take him on a few " In progress calls " Maybe some Jagoff will shoot the Muther Hubber while he tries to disarm him with his lullabys
http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2013/09/pick-your-own-jury.html
I don't know the exact number, though it wasn't all that high in the past. But, whatever number it WAS will be changing rapidly in the current climate. The anti-police frenzy has been whipped to a gale force wind in the last two years and people are leaving in droves like never before.
The Democratic party is splintering before your eyes:
Its election year Hillary the see you next Tuesday wouldn't have a chance if they didn't drum up all this racial polarization, BIDEN would of had to Run for president. George SOROS a huge Obama/Clinton political ATM funded black lives matter, The Root and spent 32 million on the Ferguson debacle. There is definitely a full court press nationwide for this shit including the news, music/entertainment industry, NFL ect.... Lets not forget the complete fabrication of the incidents at Mizzou as a shining example of how the media portrays the blacks are under attacked farce.
The Washington Post is the only paper that wrote an article dispelling the Urban myth of police killing innocent blacks actually provide statistics that police related shootings are way down, down in Chicago by nearly 50% of course Fran "horse Face" Speilman couldn't write something like that, the truth, she Rahm's number 1 propagandist. Rahm and Rahm alone was the only person with the power to hide the Laquon incident to post election but Fran has already buried that fact as she writes to this day and on a daily basis about her glorious leader.
Manufactured racial polarization:
Who is going to profit -the wall street democrats, who is going to lose -everyone, who is going to suffer the most - the poor children and seniors trapped in the urban war zones in every major city in America. Keep facilitating the loss of manufacturing jobs with NAFTA and China ect sell the US out completely why don't you. Bravo
The country is completely racially polarized thank you Mr President, and for all the rhetoric about Chicago being your hometown WTF did you ever do for the citizens of this city, create jobs no, give us extra money for programs no, you didnt do shit for your fake hometown AKA your political birthplace.
Your are about as much a Chicagoan as you jaggoff former chief of staff The Tiny Dancer. Like a bad case of herpes, Rahm will be your one and only civic gift to Chicago, the one that keeps on giving, your little, big mouthed, suburban sissy, money-man who has destroyed this once great city. RAHM: The #1 example, the poster child of what is wrong with American Politicians and the reason you party is going to the extreme left.
OT, but Re: use of force, did I hear right, that some robbery offender stabbed a 014th district guy in the face with a FORK at Lula Café???
As much as I dislike rahm and would like to blame him for everything, but how do you blame him for a ton of African American blood for not providing the proper protection. I work in 007. A 3 mile by 3 mile area. We have more manpower than the largest white districts. We have cars up the ass. we have outside units, outside agencies, mission cars, tact cars, gang cars, vri, boxes, missions. You can't drive 2 blocks without seeing another cop. Yet with all this manpower and police people are getting shot and killed. You can't blame the mayor, the superintendent, the commander, or the officers on the street. Nothing(and that includes useless boxes, missions and the bullshit VRI)will stop dude from killing dude if he wants to.
4/28/2016 10:53:00 AM
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agreed. Didn't this whole accountability start with Jody Weiss? When CLine was the boss you never had all this bean counting did we? It always seemed silly to me. How can you blame the Superintendent for the homicide rate? or the Mayor for that matter?
Use force to step on the gas and wave goodbye to the sob's. Protect our own and fuck the rest.
agreed. Didn't this whole accountability start with Jody Weiss? When CLine was the boss you never had all this bean counting did we? It always seemed silly to me. How can you blame the Superintendent for the homicide rate? or the Mayor for that matter?
4/30/2016 10:22:00 AM
You CAN blame the mayor for undermining the public trust in the CPD.
You CAN blame the mayor for ordering the CPD not to enforce the law.
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