Slight Misrepresentation
This is the only guy covering the "Lie-tenant Test Scandal," so we'll cut him some slack:
- On a particularly violent Saturday this month, about a third of Chicago police officers had the day off.
It happened on May 7, and it was the first time since 2004 that the department offered the detective’s promotional exam. In order to get promoted, rank-and-file cops had to take the test on “personal time."
After a 12-year wait, they showed up en masse.
In all, 3,039 of the department’s nearly 9,200 officers turned up to take the 12-hour test, an exam that stirred up complaints and a new bit of controversy related to how the Police Department handles promotional exams.
Last week, a high-level city source upset about the city’s spike in murders and shootings called wanting me to find out “which genius” in the Police Department thought it was a good idea to schedule an all-day promotional exam on the first Saturday in May during an already violent year.
No idea where he came up with the 9,200 officers - we think it's closer to 8,000 since there are already 800 detectives and the other various D-2 ranks. And to be fair, a largish number of those showing up were already in Saturday/Sunday day off groups, another third were RDO anyway, many were midnight officers coming right from work, so they wouldn't have been on duty anyway, along with the third watch guys and gals who weren't scheduled to start until 1400 hours or later.
But we will agree that going from a two-day format to a single massive 14-hour-day-from-hell wasn't the best of options - but since when has Rahm cared about that? Or the beholden brass?
But we will agree that going from a two-day format to a single massive 14-hour-day-from-hell wasn't the best of options - but since when has Rahm cared about that? Or the beholden brass?
- It's not fair to jump to any cause-and-effect conclusions related to the events that transpired on the street while 3,039 cops took time off to take a promotion test.
There’s simply no way to determine if the spike in shootings and murders on test day (compared to the first Saturday in May 2015, which saw 14 shootings and no murders) was in any way related to the high percentage of officers who took the day off to take the detective’s test.
Still, there is such a thing as common sense.
Actually, not that many people took off - as we explained above. But also, by union rules, any interested officer who wanted to take the test could not be denied the opportunity simply because they were working. Which again, in years past, was alleviated by having an AM and a PM session.
The reporter uses this as a run-up to that naughty word City Hall has been branding as verboten - "overtime." Some people were offered OT to work their day off to man the cars that would have been downed otherwise, kind of like that Memorial Day OT initiative?
Penny Wise, Pound Foolish. But that's politics.
The reporter uses this as a run-up to that naughty word City Hall has been branding as verboten - "overtime." Some people were offered OT to work their day off to man the cars that would have been downed otherwise, kind of like that Memorial Day OT initiative?
Penny Wise, Pound Foolish. But that's politics.
Labels: media, promotions
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
47 Comments:
7028 to be exact. Search title code and thats what you get for POs
Konkal hates the police... Don't give this mutt a shred of credit for anything
Let's add graduation weekend, day before Mother's Day and First Communion weekend to the mix. Don't they (of course they don't) look at a CALENDAR before setting a test date?
Here you go, my former employer... Set the tests when it's chilly (lower crime-time), but not when there's a good chance of heavy snow. Don't set the test during Christmas/Hanukkah. Or over Easter or Thanksgiving. Don't set the test during any period when a special event is planned (marathon, Taste, NFL draft). Don't set yourself up for lawsuits with a 14hr hostage situation (i.e. part one and two taking all day, with little to no meal or bathroom breaks).
It isn't rocket science. It's a good thing it's not; we sure don't have any rocket scientists doing the planning.
How many reams of paper can you buy per hour of time and a half?
Come on, SCC, you left out the best part. Disability Dean discussing merit promotions!!
Angelo, a 39-year Chicago police veteran, said that’s not true for some officers.
“This is Chicago. You come to expect certain things when you’ve been around the department long enough. You deal with it,” he said.
“Work in a certain position for certain people, you get promoted on merit. There are families where every sibling retires as a captain. The father, daughter, son and nephew are all bosses. Did they all score great on the test or did they get merit? Makes you wonder what kind of oatmeal that mom served for breakfast.”
Angelo said he doesn’t understand why the city wastes so much time and money “going through the motions” to pretend the promotion process is fair to everybody when it’s not.
“I’ve been around this for 36 years. Want to be fair? We might as well give everyone a ticket for every year they have on the job, put it in a drum like Bozo’s [Grand Prize Game] and pick out a boy and girl. There’s your promotion,” he said.
“If you’ve got 25 years on the job, you’ve got 25 tickets in the Bozo drum. At least then you’ve got a pretty good chance.”
Off topic
Did the CPD really refuse to arrest the BLM crew that was threatening Milo Yiannopoulos at De Paul University Tuesday? Why?
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/05/24/milo-yiannopoulos-protesters-storm-stage-depaul-university/
working mids and I just went in the station to check the numbers on clear. There are 9299 active blue shirts in 9161 which includes evidence technicians, k9 etc. I ran detectives which is code 9165 Which is not included in that number and there are 823 detectives who are blue shirts. There are currently 1130 sgts, this is not including the 88 who are still in the academy who are not POs. So that means about 10200 blue shirts, including detectives. Add in sgts and all other ranks and we have a total force of about 12000 - 12500. Feel free to run the numbers yourselves
Thought Rahm said that paying OT instead of hiring more PO's would save the city $$$. Was he lying then or is he lying now?
Deano with thirty nine years? How many days did he wear a uniform?
Hey SCC,
This article is nonsense from a shooting perspective because 15 of those shot on that Saturday caught lead between midnight and 4a that morning. Only 4-5 took a round durning test time or what would be average for a Saturday afternoon.
-WHT
Since when does a police presence reduce crime? The basis of Community Policing is "More with Less". Remember: "Smart Policing"? Better Policing, interacting with the "Community" will solve the problems of poverty and urban decay. And if you believe the above; you probably believe that the Tooth Fairy is a Gay Dentist in Boys Town! Baby"G"
........... by union rules, any interested officer who wanted to take the test could not be denied the opportunity simply because they were working
Ah! That pesky contract with rules again. Another clause that Rahm will attempt to eliminate in any new contract
Citizen reader: After observing the fall of this city over a lifetime and reading this blog
for a couple of years now, I know this. No matter how many cops you have on the street, no police force is going to stop the fools who live in many neighborhoods from shooting or stabbing or beating and killing each other in any manner. But make no mistake about it, the fear of the full weight of the law preventing an individual from engaging in criminal acts is non existent. That weight mostly works for law abiding people. So for the "high level city source" to blame a large number of blue shirts trying to climb the ladder, advance their careers and reach the next goal by taking the dick examination is really nonsense in my opinion. But then what do we generally receive from "high level" city sources anytime?
OT: Speedy recovery to FBI agents shot yesterday in Park Forest and no good guys killed. The asshole in that house had more crime credits than most of the so called journalists here have Emmy or Peabody awards. How about the investigative mob at NBC5 look into how a guy like that is living in a house in Park Forest and not a state prison? Who is responsible for that menace among us?
Yep, looks like VRI really helps.
They have done studies where the city could get by with around 6,000. Clean out all those inside spots.
Anonymous said...
working mids and I just went in the station to check the numbers on clear. There are 9299 active blue shirts in 9161 which includes evidence technicians, k9 etc. I ran detectives which is code 9165 Which is not included in that number and there are 823 detectives who are blue shirts. There are currently 1130 sgts, this is not including the 88 who are still in the academy who are not POs. So that means about 10200 blue shirts, including detectives. Add in sgts and all other ranks and we have a total force of about 12000 - 12500. Feel free to run the numbers yourselves
5/25/2016 01:09:00 AM
Yeah Einstein and a vast majority are house mice somewhat like yourself I suspect.
Our Supt was on a show called Windy City live yest. He was saying how he believes our dept should be more diversified. Hence, the lie-tenants exam scam to get more "diversified" supervisors?
There are currently 1130 sgts, this is not including the 88 who are still in the academy who are not POs.
Just looked up 9171's. There are 6 sgts who retired this month still on the computer as active.
So, I would not trust the computer to give us an accurate count of who is still on the active roll.
working mids and I just went in the station to check the numbers on clear. There are 9299 active blue shirts in 9161 which includes evidence technicians, k9 etc. I ran detectives which is code 9165 Which is not included in that number and there are 823 detectives who are blue shirts. There are currently 1130 sgts, this is not including the 88 who are still in the academy who are not POs. So that means about 10200 blue shirts, including detectives. Add in sgts and all other ranks and we have a total force of about 12000 - 12500. Feel free to run the numbers yourselves
5/25/2016 01:09:00 AM
Yeah, your numbers findings are correct. The problem is that supervisors pretty much don't do shit so they don't even count. Not a dig on sergeants, it's just that they do a different job and you can't count them in the numbers when talking about manpower. The detectives, ET's, K9, etc. are a completely different job and again they're not answering service calls and making arrests. They are all low on manpower themselves, especially ET'S and detectives. When I came on this job in the late 90's, we had twice as many detectives, 3 times as many ET's, and had a total of 13,500 blue shirts including D2 and D2A. City hall has closed numerous districts and 2 Areas in the last 20 years. This department has been gutted manpower wise and it shows when ot is through the roof and officers can't get a day off with time due.
I am wondering when he is going to FOIA the people who walked out and did not even answer question on the second part of test.
How can someone know they will be put in by merit?
Is it pay to play?
is it nepotism or or taking care of the fiance'?
He could also FOIA those great merit packets that are turned in to each exempt and commander. you know, the one that say the officer passed out fliers in the CAPS by throwing them on a desk or the desk dollies that say they write up all the commander memos. Im guessing these Commanders will say they toss them after the selection and they don't even have any human resource training on hiring!
working mids and I just went in the station to check the numbers on clear. There are 9299 active blue shirts in 9161 which includes evidence technicians, k9 etc. I ran detectives which is code 9165 Which is not included in that number and there are 823 detectives who are blue shirts. There are currently 1130 sgts, this is not including the 88 who are still in the academy who are not POs. So that means about 10200 blue shirts, including detectives. Add in sgts and all other ranks and we have a total force of about 12000 - 12500. Feel free to run the numbers yourselves
5/25/2016 01:09:00 AM
Your 9161 is what wrong if you're saying it includes et's, canine, etc. those positions hold a different title code and would not come up under 9161. Your are corrected in labeling them "blue shirts" but they are classified with a different title code. Also is a technicality calling them " blue shirts" cause they have their own specific job to do and are and never will be used as a patrolmen
Two ways to definitely get promoted on this job , merit and being related or work for the subject merit experts . Amazing that people are shocked that cheating has taken place in the lieutenants test . The cheating has been going on forever . In 2002 , there were allegations that the Superintendent s son and his entire tactical team had the test . The driver of the First Deputy , Chief of Patrol and others all were promoted . The problem is that the power has changed the black and Hispanic cops are taking over . The real problem is two fold
. The test was rigged by Ernst and Young with the results going back to the city and the failure of the FOP to require the results be posted . Both results the pass / fail and the in basket . Dean is never gonna challenge either . All you active guys that complain about "our " Union keep it up and don't vote ! U get what u deserve !!!!
Anonymous said...
working mids and I just went in the station to check the numbers on clear. There are 9299 active blue shirts in 9161 which includes evidence technicians, k9 etc. I ran detectives which is code 9165 Which is not included in that number and there are 823 detectives who are blue shirts. There are currently 1130 sgts, this is not including the 88 who are still in the academy who are not POs. So that means about 10200 blue shirts, including detectives. Add in sgts and all other ranks and we have a total force of about 12000 - 12500. Feel free to run the numbers yourselves
5/25/2016 01:09:00 AM
Per the pension board we have EXACTLY 12,032 total period paying into pension fund this includes all ranks from superintendent all the way down to me and you 9161!
To the goof doing the number crunch, CLEAR is inaccurate. Those numbers include those at call back, suspension,IOD, leave of absence, other city jobs if they are the privileged,and disability, all which have no intention of returning to this god for saken job. Just ask Dean, I'm sure he has no plans in returning. Why would he.
Anonymous said...
Come on, SCC, you left out the best part. Disability Dean discussing merit promotions!!
Angelo, a 39-year Chicago police veteran, said that’s not true for some officers.
“This is Chicago. You come to expect certain things when you’ve been around the department long enough. You deal with it,” he said.
“Work in a certain position for certain people, you get promoted on merit. There are families where every sibling retires as a captain. The father, daughter, son and nephew are all bosses. Did they all score great on the test or did they get merit? Makes you wonder what kind of oatmeal that mom served for breakfast.”
Angelo said he doesn’t understand why the city wastes so much time and money “going through the motions” to pretend the promotion process is fair to everybody when it’s not.
“I’ve been around this for 36 years. Want to be fair? We might as well give everyone a ticket for every year they have on the job, put it in a drum like Bozo’s [Grand Prize Game] and pick out a boy and girl. There’s your promotion,” he said.
“If you’ve got 25 years on the job, you’ve got 25 tickets in the Bozo drum. At least then you’ve got a pretty good chance.”
5/25/2016 01:00:00 AM
LOL funny dean but true, I like the Bozo concept with all the clowns in exempt ranks he would fit in well!
There are 9299 active blue shirts in 9161 which includes evidence technicians, k9 etc
5/25/2016 01:09:00 AM
Naw....every position has a title code. Report back when you understand work.
working mids and I just went in the station to check the numbers on clear. There are 9299 active blue shirts in 9161 which includes evidence technicians, k9 etc. I ran detectives which is code 9165 Which is not included in that number and there are 823 detectives who are blue shirts. There are currently 1130 sgts, this is not including the 88 who are still in the academy who are not POs. So that means about 10200 blue shirts, including detectives. Add in sgts and all other ranks and we have a total force of about 12000 - 12500. Feel free to run the numbers yourselves
5/25/2016 01:09:00 AM
Thanks, Rahm.
While I'm not a huge Dean Angelo fan he had some humorous and apropo comments in that article.
does doing well on some arbitrary test really translate into being a good sgt, or detective, or lt?
my guess would be not.
Oh. Lie-tenant. I see what you did there. Nice.
working mids and I just went in the station to check the numbers on clear. There are 9299 active blue shirts in 9161 which includes evidence technicians, k9 etc. I ran detectives which is code 9165 Which is not included in that number and there are 823 detectives who are blue shirts. There are currently 1130 sgts, this is not including the 88 who are still in the academy who are not POs. So that means about 10200 blue shirts, including detectives. Add in sgts and all other ranks and we have a total force of about 12000 - 12500. Feel free to run the numbers yourselves
5/25/2016 01:09:00 AM
ET'S and k9 are not in title code 9161 so I don't know where or how you came up with this. Sorry boss but go tote your company man b.s. somewhere else!
The de Paul incident will get legs and the coppers who sat and did nothing will catch some heat. Some days ya gotta do what they Pay You to Do. There will be a lawsuit you can bank on it. Listened to Milo on 56 on way in from Michigan a he was a little peeved that the coppers let this slide. Not good kids. Ret CPD
Not enough police on a bicycle opening fire on coppers! Be careful even working vri! The thugs are emboldened thanks elected and media whores this bloody city is because of bastardizing formerly hard working coppers #protectblueforever
http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/144740224-story
Anonymous Anonymous said...
working mids and I just went in the station to check the numbers on clear. There are 9299 active blue shirts in 9161 which includes evidence technicians, k9 etc. I ran detectives which is code 9165 Which is not included in that number and there are 823 detectives who are blue shirts. There are currently 1130 sgts, this is not including the 88 who are still in the academy who are not POs. So that means about 10200 blue shirts, including detectives. Add in sgts and all other ranks and we have a total force of about 12000 - 12500. Feel free to run the numbers yourselves
5/25/2016 01:09:00 AM
Great. Sounds good. At least, until you run a few names of people you know who retired within the last year.
One of my friends asked me if I'd be a reference for him for a job after he retired. I agreed, of course, and got a call from his recruiter, who asked me about an open cr number (which I did have knowledge of and explained about it to the guy). At the end of our talk, he admitted to me he'd already talked with iad about the open number and they said my friend would be taking a day for the violation. Mr.Recruiter told them he was hiring my friend in another state and they said that would be impossible, as he was still working daily for the cpd. My friend had been retired from cpd for TWO YEARS, but was still on the books as working.
Another friend retired in 2014 and was receiving retirement checks. He was still on the computer as active ten months later.
Oh, and I was still on the books as an active sergeant one year after I retired.
So, the numbers might add up, but the FACTS might not.
working mids and I just went in the station to check the numbers on clear. There are 9299 active blue shirts in 9161 which includes evidence technicians, k9 etc. I ran detectives which is code 9165 Which is not included in that number and there are 823 detectives who are blue shirts. There are currently 1130 sgts, this is not including the 88 who are still in the academy who are not POs. So that means about 10200 blue shirts, including detectives. Add in sgts and all other ranks and we have a total force of about 12000 - 12500. Feel free to run the numbers yourselves
I did. Saw a bunch of names i know are retired. You think that they update that thing enough for it to be accurate. This is the city after all.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Off topic
Did the CPD really refuse to arrest the BLM crew that was threatening Milo Yiannopoulos at De Paul University Tuesday? Why?
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/05/24/milo-yiannopoulos-protesters-storm-stage-depaul-university/
5/25/2016 01:05:00 AM
I watched the video of his appearance. That was an embarrassment. Guy runs up there with the whistle, woman with him gets in Milo's face, they ruin the event, while security AND CPD are just standing there, watching. THEN, they prevented Milo from marching his group over to the president of DePaul to voice their complaints.
DePaul is looking real bad today, but Im wondering who instructed CPD to not get involved? He paid $1000 for security (which DePaul allegedly put into the contract just before his arrival, and Breitbart had to pay for it) and yet they provided ZERO security.
Add in sgts and all other ranks and we have a total force of about 12000 - 12500. Feel free to run the numbers yourselves
1st, to combine all ranks and say we have 12-12.5K is misleading. The only number that matters is how many beat officers are in the districts. Supervisors, ETs, Dets,K9, should not figure into beat patrol manpower - they do not answer calls for service on a daily basis. Looking at the figure of 9300 blue shirts, how many are administrative positions, e.g. DC's secretaries, desk, court administration, CAPs, etc. then subtract them. How many are in units or support services - subtract them. How many are at call back pending investigations - subtract them. How many are on IOD/Medical - subtract them. Let's not forget that the department counts the same people 2x if they are detailed out of their district of assignment, and they also include deceased officers that have not been removed from the system yet. Now there's your REAL figures on manpower. If we had an actual 7K patrolling the street I'd be surprised. Considering the latest figure estimates gang membership here at 150,000 according to the Chicago Crime Commission, we are dangerously low on manpower.
Add in sgts and all other ranks and we have a total force of about 12000 - 12500. Feel free to run the numbers yourselves
I call bullsh88 on that number. Lets do the real math. 18 of the 22 district left avg about 200=3600 the other 4 use to avg 400 but are now closer to 300=1200 1100 sgt 1000 Lt. and above. 1000 in units and H.Q. That gives u around 7,900 . Ask anybody who works the streets and that my friend is the real #
CPD was present during Milo's speech last night at DePaul, and the administrators instructed them to stand by and do nothing
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/university-admins-surrender-to-violent-protesters-shutter_us_57454738e4b00853ae7b5ae3
Rahm....you have any part in this?....
“This is Chicago. You come to expect certain things when you’ve been around the department long enough. You deal with it,” he said.
“Work in a certain position for certain people, you get promoted on merit. There are families where every sibling retires as a captain. The father, daughter, son and nephew are all bosses. Did they all score great on the test or did they get merit? Makes you wonder what kind of oatmeal that mom served for breakfast.”
Angelo said he doesn’t understand why the city wastes so much time and money “going through the motions” to pretend the promotion process is fair to everybody when it’s not.
“I’ve been around this for 36 years. Want to be fair? We might as well give everyone a ticket for every year they have on the job, put it in a drum like Bozo’s [Grand Prize Game] and pick out a boy and girl. There’s your promotion,” he said.
“If you’ve got 25 years on the job, you’ve got 25 tickets in the Bozo drum. At least then you’ve got a pretty good chance.”
All in favor say Aye.... This is the best idea I have ever heard regarding promotions on the job. The BOZO drum.
DePaul is a cesspool of the liberal, far left agenda. The administration there are commie' and if you think that DePaul is a Catholic Univ, you guessed wrong.
Their b.s basketball time could not beat a freshman high school team. Go Rahm, spend 50 mil on this shit.
Rahm has his interns all over this post putting up their
"You got 12K Coppers" bullshit...
We had 12K during the Crack Wars from the late 80's through
the mid 90's and there was plenty of help and enough on each
watch so you could take a day or a couple without having to
demean yourself or put up with some ignorant supervisor trying
to fuck with you for daring to have human needs and concerns.
If Rahm has his interns posting dumbshit about "substantially similar"
manpower numbers, why is this department at an operational standstill
to the point of begging Policemen to work overtime to stave off the
sensation of a total loss of control of the streets?
That's why we will relish the news that one/some of Rahm's
Whiz Kids getting rubbed, caressed fondled and
Wet Willy'd and other such by members of Dude Inc.
"We wants to be y'all FRIEND!"
O_o? o_o? o_O?
"Mew?"
Desperately looking for some big, mean
and unfriendly Cops to somehow intervene
before their tender innies are turned
into prolapsed outies...
I dont think the real issue is how many. As much as it is how they're being deployed. I work days in northside district and there days when we have almost as much manpower inside as we do outside. 4 on the desk, 2 in the lockups, 1 in review, 1 in warrants, 2 doing citations, 1 doing the sheets, 5 in the front office, 3 in caps, 1 crossing guard sup. and 1 for abandonded buildings. I'm thinking thats probably more people working inside on any given day than some districts have on the street. No matter how many times they clear out the housemice they always seem to find their way back inside.
Here's a misrepresentation Otis drunken mcnicolas in brand new fire explorer with his paramedics girlfriend smashes it then like a cowards clout ass resigned to get huge pension twice legal limit:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-deputy-fire-commissioner-alcohol-met-20160525-story.html
Bring the charges does he still resign in good standing?
"On a particularly violent Saturday this month, about a third of Chicago police officers had the day off."
Yeah, life is like that. Three is a good number of anything. One watches around the blinds for saber-toothed tigers, one has dinner going, and one sleeps.
They rotate.
konkol is a former scum-times piece of shit.
The test was rigged by Ernst and Young with the results going back to the city and the failure of the FOP to require the results be posted . Both results the pass / fail and the in basket . Dean is never gonna challenge either . All you active guys that complain about "our " Union keep it up and don't vote ! U get what u deserve !!!!
5/25/2016 08:27:00 AM
All the city needs is one stooge to say he does not want his/her scores post due to right to privatesy.
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