Those Files are Still Around
All those disciplinary files that aren't supposed to exist? They got a stay of execution:
- The federal investigation into the Chicago Police Department has slowed a push by police unions to destroy decades of disciplinary files on officers, a labor arbitrator ruled on Friday.
Unions representing rank-and-file officers, as well as sergeants, lieutenants and captains each filed labor grievances after a 2012 court ruling that would have turned over to activists and journalists files on police officer misconduct cases dating back to 1967. The unions complained that their contracts with the city stipulate that records should be “purged” or destroyed outright, a stance a pair of labor arbitrators initially had backed.
But the landscape changed when the U.S. Department of Justice began a probe of the police department earlier this year, and issued a “document preservation notice” to the department, arbitrator George Roumell Jr. wrote in a letter handed down Friday. Roumell in January had ordered the city and union to set a timeline for destroying those same files.
How about, at the minimum, a career destruction date? You retire and there are no open investigations and the statute of limitations has passed, everything with your name on it from OPS, IPRA, IAD, whatever, all gets incinerated. There's nothing from 1967 that should even exist right now. Everyone is retired, pensioned or dead. What possible purpose is served by these files?
It was a different time, under different rules, evaluated by different standards and morals. By different people, too, in most cases, a bit more intelligent than the morons currently in government.
It was a different time, under different rules, evaluated by different standards and morals. By different people, too, in most cases, a bit more intelligent than the morons currently in government.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
47 Comments:
Witch hunt.
--No Cop Here
State Sen. Patricia Van Pelt said a bill she sponsored that would require police departments across the state to keep their disciplinary files forever could see a vote as soon as next week. Two bills that would require departments to preserve misconduct records, either permanently or for up to 50 years, are advancing in the state House.
“You have got to keep those kinds of records, and we see that now,” Van Pelt said Friday. “That way we can see patterns of behavior, and you have records for people who may need evidence in cases where they have been wrongfully convicted.”
Last paragraph that has this goofball lady quote says it..........
When do we get to sue the city for breach of contract for failing to destroy these files?
Asshole democrat strikes again.... Again with the resurrecting of bullshits past
Just wait.
Your old man was a cop? He had some complaints filed against him?
Obviously as his blood, you learned how to be a racist patriachal fascist.
You will be found guilty based on those old fashioned theories of justice:
Sins of the father and corruption of blood.
These theories have been resurrected by the progressive social justice set.
OT:
Anyone know of a reliable granite counter top installer who services the south side?
Thanks in advance.
The end game is to get this back to the days of Fort Dearborn. Apparently a few Indians, sorry Native Americans, go their asses handed to them during the massacre. Their group is looking at some reparations.
Unfortunately, it appears that your tongue in cheek post last week about identifying cops at the 1968 convention could be reality. Billy Ayers needs a payday!!
OK city, you disregard our contract, we disregard the contract we made with you.
Watch and see!
Anybody still on the job from 1967?
Morons in Government. MIGS. Forget the Russian planes. Our MIGS are more dangerous to Americans.
The dark times of this city/county/state haven't even hit full tilt yet. It's going to get worse, much worse.
Lot of grave digging going to happen....The Libs need to go after all those old timers who 'twarted' justice.....
Many officers believe that the anti-police rhetoric and actions are cyclical. They believe that things will get better for us and people will see the light. This is proof that that devices are being put into place to permanently persecute and prosecute police officers in Chicago. If you are able to leave this city, you should do so. The democrats will turn this city into a wasteland to appease their voting bloc while enriching themselves on the path. Chicago is finished.
The cut off year of 1967 is not arbitrarily chosen. The wacko left wing revolutionary socialists, who as youth had their asses righteously kicked at the Democratic Convention of 1968 by the greatest generation of Chicago Police for destroying property and rioting and attacking police officers, but are now in positions of power to enact their slimy agenda against the upholders of law and order, are now seeking retribution.
These asshole leftists would literally exhume the buried bodies of those they have a grudge against and put the corpses on trial, then destroy the remains.
When will the outrages cease? When do we say "enough"?
You guys better stick together when the time comes that these rotten ill-begotten bastards try and give us illegal orders to turn against each other. Slap these assholes in their faces with the Constitution.
Whoever is behind this is a Monstrous Abomination. We all know who is enabling the witch hunters.
If anyone has the power [means] to destroy any and all files over 5 years old as stipulated by the contract, then they should do a "Daley" on them like he did Megs Field. I f it's gone, it's gone. Let the lawsuits begin!
nonymous said...
Witch hunt.
--No Cop Here
5/02/2016 12:04:00 AM
If the progressives get their way, the police will be the only employees in the US to have their entire personnel files open to the public.
Knowledge is Power.
5/02/2016 12:32:00 AM
Breach of Contract? What are your damages?
HOLD ON!
screw the destruction it ain't gonna happen.
BUT the City did not do what they agreed to do in a contract.
So what does that mean?
A monetary settlement for all employees current and retired should be filed for each year those file were kept!
City has files from the 1960's that should have been shredded then pay up.
If the City agrees to things in a contract then enforcement is key.
I know Dean its complicated and you will look into it may be your buddies KWAME can help you out.
if a criminal can have his record purge why can't a p.o. are we second class citizens. Equal protection under the law. Unfounded is unfounded non sub stain is the same.Try to bring a purged record into court on a criminal and see what the liberal judge would do to you hold you in contempt and punish you
it is evidence of potential crimes. it needs to be handled like any other evidence of potential crimes.
Bigger question why did the Dept & the City hang on to these files for decades and why did it have to take something on the scale of this nonsense for the Unions to act in the 1st place?
The Unions and the City they negotiate with are reactive instead of being proactive therein lies the problem.
I agree 100% that these files are being eyed by people who want to smear the police department as a whole, and as many officers, current, retired, or dead in particular, as they can.
It's too bad there doesn't seem to be an entity that can be trusted with these records, because I think they are important historical documents of the department.
What were the standards for misconduct in 1967? What's changed? Why? How many charges of misconduct were sustained? How many were disproved? Has that ratio changed or remained constant? Can this be correlated with number of arrests? The over all crime rate?
In a perfect world, this data would be recorded, maintained and analyzed, after stripping all identifying information from it. Maybe that could be a compromise. Absent a removal of identifying information however, it would be massively unfair to the officers involved to release the information as is.
It was a different time..by far, a better time.
Just watch Springfield start passing legislation and laws in police contract matters to circumvent contract language. This has been in the works quietly since the previous FOP lobbyist was replaced. Pay attention carefully officers. You have no idea how much a sellout the FOP leadership is at this time. Tough times ahead.
The average career destruction date is about five years in.
Thank You Lisa Madigan
Oh, hell, you mean I still have to sweat that hot sawbuck from way back when?
It bears repeating that, generally, the Feds have zero experience with street crime. That's not their arena.
FUCK grievances! Go straight to the lawsuit for breach of contract.
@ 5/02/2016 02:39:00 AM
You are dead on target with your assessment.
If you, and/or your daddy, grand-daddy, great grand-daddy (and on
through the generations) were Chicago Policemen? Then that's
considered the prima facie evidence of your blue collar/blue suited,
middle class enclave dwelling, (Mt. Greenwood/Beverly, Dunning/
Edison Park) side job working, tax, fee and tuition paying, whites
(and you race traitor, "funny thinking conservative" blacks and browns too)
reaping your unjustified rewards and enjoying the fruits of your passed
down legacies of obvious racism against "da communerty."
>Pause<
A headache happened while trying to compose that liberal progressive
/catered-to constituent, rattle mind nonsense with a straight face.
These loons fervently believe that one is a major causative for the
daily spectacle of Ritual Death Dance and bloody Human Sacrifice.
It takes up so much of the operational band-width in this town that
NOTHING ELSE (let alone a contrary narrative) can get through, unless
Rahm orders the deeply ensconced and hopelessly corrupt propaganda
apparatus to open ranks and let it come through.
And why do they want these files going back to 1967?
It's the year before the "Police Riot..."
The support of a bullshit premise requires a bullshit and
totally arbitrary baseline.
So....
Let's play the game.
Why not run the names of every catered-to constituent
who was in receipt of any form of government assistance then cross-check
those same names with CB#'s/criminal histories dating back to 1963?
The year before Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society" legislation.
The year of Dr. Martin Luther King's March on Washington.
And now, for extra "grin down yo' dick" pleasure, construct a catered-to constituency
family tree, ( Momma had to give the name of the sperm donor/suspected
sperm donor to get her "per child" bounty) and you will have in your hot
little hands what street Cops have been yelling and pointing to for years.
"That's racist and an invasion of their privacy! You Cops are just pissed
because you're finally being reformed."
The same stinkin' thinkin' that resists common sense drug and alcohol testing
to receive LINK/WIC/Section 8 and the entire alphabet soup of government
entitlements.
Oh yeah... No photo I.D. with a verifying thumbprint either...
"Nothing but a racist, conservative shaming tactic!"
The soft democrat racism of persistent low expectations and no accountability.
"If'n y'all was on y'all job, nunna dis shit would be happenin'!"
Or?
"We don't need nobody comin' up in heah Tellin' us how to do!"
Or?
"We hates y'all cuz y'all actin' like y'all don't care about US!"
Or?
"More sensitivity training! De-Escalate! Wait 'em out! Duty to Retreat!
"Why y'all got ya guns out an' shit? See, that's the problem
right there! Y'all tryin' to protect yo'self from us for no good reason!
De-Fund da Po-leece an' gibs US da money!"
Don't you worry.
Rahm has accomplished that already to the tune of a $ Billion or so
while using a $100Million band-aid called VRI, to fool the simple
into thinking he's really doing something.
Campaign donors needed paying...
Meanwhile, you got m/fers who would love nothing more than the air, opportunity
and officially sanctioned say-so to paw through you, your kids/spouses/significant
others panty drawer jus because you or someone in your family are/was a
Chicago Police Officer. The hunt for an intangible, indisputable something or other
to "prove" their wrong-headed theories, is on.
Police like you have no friends...
RANT: (on/OFF)
Funny .... SSC you honestly think when something happened is a restraint on liberal outrage .... Slavery ... Native Americans... Women.... I call it hindsight morality ... Its when modern liberal's go back into history and apply today's standards to yesterday's activities
Anonymous said...
Just watch Springfield start passing legislation and laws in police contract matters to circumvent contract language. This has been in the works quietly since the previous FOP lobbyist was replaced. Pay attention carefully officers. You have no idea how much a sellout the FOP leadership is at this time. Tough times ahead.
5/02/2016 10:52:00 AM
Mark Donahue just go away mad we don't care. The black caucus is stirring up shit down there. How would you handle it balloon head"
Anonymous Anonymous said...
it is evidence of potential crimes. it needs to be handled like any other evidence of potential crimes.
5/02/2016 10:05:00 AM
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Your mind is a crime based on the exponential leap you just took.
Just because the DOJ wants them doesn't necessarily mean they get them. The unions should collectively motion for an injunction. They are protected by our contract. JUST BECAUSE IT'S THE FED DOESN'T MEAN NOTHING CAN BE DONE. THIS IS BULLSHIT AND THE UNIONS SHOULD BE ON TOP OF THIS.
Anonymous said...
it is evidence of potential crimes. it needs to be handled like any other evidence of potential crimes.
5/02/2016 10:05:00 AM
you being born was a crime
Attention the more $ you make the more $ they'll try to take in frivolous lawsuits....
Let us all sue the SHIT out of the City of Chicago and the Police Department. They had an obligation to destroy those files and they failed. Unless they want a LAWSUIT from every rank and file, sergeant, lieutenant, and boss, they better fucking destroy those files or they have no fucking idea WHO they think they are fucking with. How long do you think all of US are going to ALLOW this to go on? There are a lot more of US than THEM.
Great, the guy from the creative writing class gives us the 20 paragraph comment. (Sigh) (Reboot)
@ 5/02/2016 02:19:00 PM
Apologies to all...
Hand-held dee-vice was glitchy.
All the more reason to file an ARDC complaint against Ralph Price, William Baczaerk and any other city attorney that is allowing this shit show to continue!!! Watch you will see because the DOJ filed a preservation request they will get the documents, well the DOJ lawyers are also bound by codes of conduct and ethical conduct and NOT FOLLOWING THE LAW--am Illinois statute!!!!!
So they want to involve Officers, Detectives, E.T.s, Sergeants, Lieutenants, Captains and all the rest of the department many who have been retired for years.
Question: If these retired former employees of the City of Chicago are called to be interviewed, by the city or the DOJ, do they get paid?
What about being called in to testify in court for a "Cold Case"?
Maybe FlOP could hire one of those big mobile shredding trucks we see around and do the city a favor by reducing the burden of all that excess paper.
OR just buy box of matches and have a bonfire in the parking lot and bring marshmallows.
Jesus, know what you're talking about people! The city couldn't destroy the paper files because it's been under a federal court order to not do so. The plaintiffs' lawyers know this and are trying to get to them. They go back 20 years or so. In addition, there are electronic records of CR files going back to 1967 - cr#, complainant's name, officer's name, date, allegation, finding, etc. No paper in those files. Those are actually on-line, find it yourself.
The unions -all of them - have been fighting the release of the paper files. The city wants to release them, obviously for political reasons. There is no breach of contract, the city hasn't violated the contracts!
Educate yourselves!
So, Not a lawyer here, but just read the terms of a documentation preservation notice. I'm wondering why the Union Lawyers don't file a lawsuit against the city for failure to comply with the terms of the original contract? Sounds like extra slimy lawyer money to me. Want a guarantee? Hire Ed Burke's firm. Just guessing.
There are always two sets of files...always....
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