Lawyer Gets it Wrong
- The son of a slain Lawndale woman filed a lawsuit Monday alleging authorities failed to safeguard his mother by letting her boyfriend be released last summer from Stroger Hospital shortly after he had an apparent mental breakdown and threatened officers at knifepoint.
Steven Taylor's mother, Vanessa, was found strangled in her apartment last June 30, a day after her live-in boyfriend, James E. Thomas, had been let go by the hospital following a mental evaluation, according to the lawsuit filed in Cook County Circuit Court. He was charged with her murder a few days later.
- SCC,
I work in 011 and on 28 June, the third watch had a call of a Mental fighting everyone in the house at 4311 W. Flournoy. The subject barricaded himself in the house, armed himself with a sword and numerous knives, cut the gas line in the house and threatened to blow everything up. Coppers made entry with a family member's keys, tasered the guy and took him to County for a 72-hour hold for mental evaluation. Everything was done properly under RD# HY-319903.
End of story?
No. County doctors released him in direct violation of the 72-hour commitment law. 30 June at 0230 hours, 011 District personnel got a well being check at 4311 W. Flournoy. They arrived, made entry through an unlocked door and found the subject, again armed with knives menacing the police. He was tasered again and taken into custody. A search of the house located his girlfriend, strangled to death with an extension cord under RD# HY-321511. Chalk up a completely preventable homicide to the fine doctors at Stroger who can't be bothered to obey the law that mandates a 72-hour hold and treat the mentally ill we deal with on a daily basis!
But the lawyer figures it's all on the cops:
- About 24 hours after being abandoned by the police, Vanessa Taylor was murdered by Thomas, an outcome that was, sadly, a predictable and likely consequence of leaving her alone with her violent, mentally ill domestic violence tormentor," the suit said.
Dvorak also said Thomas at least should have been arrested on multiple felony charges relating to the first incident on Flournoy. Court and police records do not indicate why this did not occur.
What a crock of shit. No Counselor, we aren't permitted to lock up the mentally ill. We can't bring guns into the secured mental treatment areas of the hospital, so we commit them, involuntarily, for a period of 72 hours. That's the law. And a doctor at County decided he couldn't be bothered, so he sent the mentally ill subject home within 36 hours to go home and kill his girlfriend, not the cops. CPD did everything possible and all the records indicate this.
Think about this one - the 011 District cops would have been 100% completely justified in killing this guy as he was armed with a knife and a bayonet. But they didn't. They went above and beyond and a Stroger Hospital doctor killed this woman as much as the mental.
Now, after McDonald, you have everyone screeching the cops need more training and Eddie bragging about how CPD has trained hundreds of cops in Crisis Intervention to handle mentals, none of which would make a damn bit of difference if a doctor is still going to release him to kill.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. This is why Shakespeare said, "First, we kill all the lawyers."
Think about this one - the 011 District cops would have been 100% completely justified in killing this guy as he was armed with a knife and a bayonet. But they didn't. They went above and beyond and a Stroger Hospital doctor killed this woman as much as the mental.
Now, after McDonald, you have everyone screeching the cops need more training and Eddie bragging about how CPD has trained hundreds of cops in Crisis Intervention to handle mentals, none of which would make a damn bit of difference if a doctor is still going to release him to kill.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. This is why Shakespeare said, "First, we kill all the lawyers."
Labels: un-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
80 Comments:
Fucked up story all around. I could not imagine the ugliness cops see on a daily fucking basis. This one is on the doctor though.
Lawyers are self serving, sue the cops, a jury would be more sympathetic toward the doctor, than the cops.
Motion for summary judgment granted to the defendants. sorry counselor, no money for you. Unless you want to change gears and sue the hospital you ambulance chasing, no talent scumbag hack.
Can't lock up a mental for Domestic Battery? A police hold should have been put on him and then taken into custody after his release from County.
Nary a licensed or certified professional
in Chicago is held accountable for their
actions but Policemen...
You got judges turning criminal assholes loose.
You got doctors releasing crazy m/fers.
You got a Police Superintendent who apparently
can't be bothered with reading the Use of Force
Model and Department General Orders, who stripped
a Policeman because some noisy, cause-with-no-pause
M/Fer called his cell phone and demanded "justice"
even though the officer was within the law and department
directives when he booted some asshole in his head to save his partner.
You got an agit-prop campaign of hotted-up and misdirected outrage
going against The Police.
...For what now?
Oh yeah...
Because The Police are the problem.
Right?
You got everybody screaming for their own
personal pound of Police flesh
Name the doctor please.
I am sure Eddie and Rahm are on every TV channel defending the Police and setting the record straight.
Aren't they?
Isn't there some way to put a hold on his release, so the police can arrest and process him if he is released from his mental health hold?
Don't they need to notify the family at least?
He could have just as easily went after the officers when he was released.
Fast Eddie will go ahead and jump the gun and discipline the coppers anyways-- prepare to take a day or vacation, just cause he is a jag bag
When i went to CIT and the Mental Health Class, i gave this EXACT scenario to the instructors who bragged about all their "in the field mental health experience", especially the male nurse who's now a PO who kept referring to himself as a "Clinician" and they looked at me like i had a monkey on my head.
This is what is in the CIT book and was quoted in class by the instructor.
"The Americans with Disabilities Act, requires government agencies to make reasonable accommodations for the disabled, and applies to police conduct toward a mentally ill person who may be violent.
I distinctly remember thinking WTF did he just say? Then someone brought up the exact scenario of a person released from hospital and going back and killing family after an early release. They had no answer.
I remember thinking WTF are these fools talking about, the 72 hour hold doesn't really mean they are mandated to hold someone for 72 hrs, It means the CAN hold them for 72 hours, but they never do.
My advise, any type of Domestic Battery when the Offender is still on scene, Arrest and send him to court.
So if he was fighting with everyone in the house and had weapons, why wasn't he arrested for anything? If the family didn't want to sign complaints, the Officer can and is covered by IDVA. Someone could've sat on him and upon his release, boom, in custody, goes to county. If they hold him, fine, if not, it's on county but at least he was arrested for the violence, got his eval, saw a judge and now has a legal 72hr stay away. If he goes back and kills after that, there really isn't much anyone else can do about it.
01:04 asked a legit question. Who is the doctor. I got another one: Name the shyster.
Why Remus....
The moral of de story be....
Drive low and slow to shit like this wit yo sireens makin a caterwallin!
People raving about holds on this guy, if I understand right if you are a mental in a crazy state then it's not a crime. One or the other? Can't have both?
Maybe the scumbag press can take a look at the scumbag lawyers who are constantly suing the police. You will see the same names over and over and over. There is nothing they won't do, no lie to big, in order to make money off of this city. You have Oppenheimer, Neslund, Robbins, Loevy and Loevy and all of their minions, Romanucci and his people etc, etc. They go after the deep pockets of this city 365 days a year. That's all they do. They're a bunch of lying, thieving bottom feeders. And yet these people are never ever held accountable for what they do. They get away with more than any shitbird ever does, and they are far worse. They're absolutely horrible people who have no boundaries as to how low they will go to make themselves money.
Momma made a poor choice for a boyfriend. It should end there.
Why not sue CC, Stroger or the DR. ?
Oh yeah, right, lawyers are taught to go after the low hanging fruit...
A large portion of our politicians are also lawyers...
Beginning to see the common thread yet...?
Stay fetal & don't become the "low hanging fruit"...
A police hold should have been put on him and then taken into custody after his release from County.
6/28/2016 12:44:00 AM
"A police hold"? This is good shit, I'm taking notes. Maybe we could send a "prowler" to pick him up and if he's already been released we could put out an "APB". The Boys downtown are going to be real happy with these new routine procedures.
You are misunderstanding the WS quote. Has the opposite meaning.
In the tribune article it states that judge Wilson has kind theo fender mentally unfit to stand trial. Dart and preckwinkle are always complaining about how so many of the people in jail actually need help for mental disorders not to be incarcerated in a jail. So these coppers do what's right I'm sure after observing the mental state of this offender on the first encounter and realizing that no lock up in the world would allow him to be housed until the bus arrived in the morning. So these coppers transport the offender for a 72 hour mental evaluation which is the same amount of time a no contact order is issued upon a domestic arrest. As long as everything is documented on the proper reports the city has no issue.
I believe these coppers should be commended for there restraint and for attempting to do the right thing and get someone with a mental disorder help instead of arresting him. Don't worry Eddie and escalante will flip sides in the media and say the cops should have arrested this man
When i got certified for the new tasers,in the training video they stated you are not supposed to tase mentals. Did i hear it wrong,possible.
Chief Keef speaks for the black community. Let him speak loud and often.
Uh yes you can and should lock up mentals when they commit crimes. Especially felonies in your presence. Let his defense attorney get him evaluated and that would be use in his defense of crime. Better learn your job a bit and quit listening to the old timers trying to get out of arresting criminals.
This whole CIT crap is really going to backfire. We [coppers] are being asked to take on responsibilities that are simply not possible to accomplish within the short time we have to deal with these "mental" offenders.
We should be taking the offender to jail, not a hospital. We are not shrinks, and even shrinks need considerable time with a person to give a diagnosis.
We should be locking them up, and have the courts, corrections, and social workers deal with the mental health issues.
I would have thought that the department would have required us to draft some sort of mental health report in situations where an offender is reported to have a mental health issue, and attach it to the court package, so that corrections and court services could consider any possible medical assistance, not have US try to make that determination. Having US make these decisions, especially considering the additional stressors inherent in the offender/officer relationship, is just setting us up for failure.
Why don't these brilliant ,honor roll people, oops my mistake, sue the Dr's that decide these mental idiots don't have to stay, and then send them home to kill someone. Who pays? The police, they get stripped of their powers if they make the correct move, get thrown under the train ( forget the bus, it's long gone ) by the very bosses that are supposed to protect them, and it sounds like their union needs a hearing aid. I might have been just a lowly dispatcher, but for God sake if I was in charge of this Dept., I would at least surround myself with people that knew how to help me, and would back my guys no matter what. And tell the Mayor if he has no police experience, to keep his mouth shut, no ifs ands or buts!
The attorney got it wrong but he's suing the right group. Who would sue? The group that will fight you and maybe win? Or the group that will be rolled over by their master and pay whatever the amount? Because after all, it's not his money, he looks just, and we are harnessed with the blame.
She should have had a gun quite frankly.
That being said, what the hell on the doc. "He looked okay to me?" comes to mind.
Someone needs to put in these officers for the new Escalante de-escalation award!!
This is so fucked up. I used to evaluate patients at an ER and jails. If the ER didn't have someone from mental health to evaluate, then it's on them. However, when at the ER it was all my decision, or after a consult with our psychiatrist on call. No way after those type of actions should he have been locked up first. That family's lawyer is full of shit.
--No Cop Here
The scum bag lawyer knows that the city will pay out more and quicker than a hospital.
Fuck it. Whenever ANYBODY is murdered in Chicago now let's sue the police.
Did the family go to the hospital to talk to the doc to make sure he gets the treatment he needs? Or were they just using the police like bouncers?
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"Can't lock up a mental for Domestic Battery? A police hold should have been put on him and then taken into custody after his release from County."
6/28/2016 12:44:00 AM
This is at least the second one I know of similar to this -- someone had previously made multiple death threats, then filled the place with gas in an attempt to blow up the building. Isn't that, uh, kind of major?
They had a sheet a mile long, but no one was even offered to sign complaints.
Absolutely nothing happened to them except a police escort later, to "protect them while they got their stuff because they were 'afraid' of the people they had tried to blast into the treetops."
I can't even lay the whole thing out. Talk about f__ed up.
Everyone has to make a living, don't they? Even lawyers need to make money. They pick on the ones with deep pockets, the city , hoping for a quick settlement in which they take about half of the money.
You can't blame the lawyer. This is a town controlled by communists who believe in turning everything upside-down. The vile becomes the normal, the degenerate becomes acceptable, and the authority figure is to blame no matter what. Eliminate God and replace with pornography. This is what they want. Then they sue so that they tax the citizen. It's part of their plan. The lawyer is just following the Rules for Radicals. This is who we voted for. Now we have what we put into power. Enjoy your new Chicago with new Chicago values.
Did the officers actually fill out the involuntary petition, as required by Dept. Directive, or did they just drop this guy off at the hospital? Only way to cover yourself 100% is to sign the petition yourself, don't let the family do it! These hospitals don't make it easy and some flat out refuse to give you the petition. Or they never give the family the option of signing the petition. Be smart, sign the petition and do the hospitalization.
Remember Laquan McDonald was also armed with a knife and diagnosed as a mental according to records. But he was "murdered" by the police. The baseball bat assailant in 011 during midnights few months back was also a mental. So long as the doctors diagnose them with something in the DSMIV they're now in a protected class of citizenry and the police should use non lethal force to subdue these people never mind what kind of damage they can actually do. And when they do it's our fault for not doing enough. That's why I say fu*k it. Let the community police their own since they don't want us putting our hands on their sick 'children' . These assh*les get diagnosed with some mental illness like ADHD by a bleeding heart liberal doctor then bam they now get free money from the government welfare. I've come across it numerous times. These people have gotten hip on how to work the system. They give them everything except hard work and tough love. Just like in county jail division 10. The inmates cannot be handcuffed during movement like every other maximum division because the Sheriff deems them special because they're psych classified. And that division is the most out of control at the jail. Daily piss and shit thrown at officers, batterys on COs, assaults. Etc..
Fu*king liberal sympathizers. They blame everyone and everything but never act responsible or accountable.
"...cut the gas line in the house and threatened to blow everything up..."
OK -- the guy made a very large bomb. Didn't someone pull this stunt in Connecticut, and it destroyed/seriously damaged about 25 other houses? Looked like a B-52 had salvoed on the neighborhood.
This is not some kind of harmless prank -- I don't know what to say.
...but the watchword today is that they have to be "deinstitutionalized, and reintegrated into the community." I guess that's what happened here, huh?
fuck all these degenerate bottom feeding lawyer scum....
When someone is crazy, you take crazee to the hospital where the doctors can administer proper care! that cit training nothing more than city trying to put more blame on coppers they will say "we taught them" as they flash your bullshit certificate across the screen for the 24/7 anti-police news media attacks. The city does not indemnify you from civil suits and now this is another nail in the coffin of the first copper that acts "stupidly" (obama word).
Survival is achieved by being fetal! Sure answer your calls, get there safely the only call to hurry to is 10-1 or officer assist other than this see if the gold star club can step it up and respond!When your at 219 dearborn federal building and your the defendant and the magic words are said "officer state your assets and liabilities" this is when it gets real, and if it gets real you were real dumb to let this happen if your enchanted by the phony bosses "go get em" talk!
I've brought several mentals to the hospitals over the years and it seems like there is no such thing as a 72 hour evaluation anymore. The hospitals just release them later in the day. I've never seen such bullshit and I know one day this will hit the fan. I just didn't expect it to hit CPD with another frivolous lawsuit.
a couple years back I took CIT training. 40 hours of hearing how the state has and is cutting so many mental health services. Many times I had signed a mental into a hospital or behavioral health center, only to see them back with the family or roaming the street. I argued with the instructor that if a crime was committed the offender would receive better treatment at cook county jail and I would effect an arrest rather than take them to the hospital. Always be thorough, if a victim of domestic violence is in fear of their life and signs complaints lock the offender up, seek felony charges if applicable. If taking someone to the hospital, complete the hospitalization case report and document the complainants reasons for declining to sign complaints.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
When i went to CIT and the Mental Health Class, i gave this EXACT scenario to the instructors who bragged about all their "in the field mental health experience", especially the male nurse who's now a PO who kept referring to himself as a "Clinician" and they looked at me like i had a monkey on my head.
6/28/2016 04:21:00 AM
WHOOO!
This...
Did a stupidvisor pull you aside for a
friendly chat/"counseling session" for
being a "disruption" to the class?
As an institution...
CPD has always taken a very dim
view of Police Officers who truly are
able to think and reason for themselves.
Heh...
Why do you think the exempt echelon is
just so chock full of emotionally secure,
mentally adept and agile Police visionaries
firmly rooted in bedrock Peelian Policing
Concepts?
>Taking Full Stock of The Noodle-Spined,
Ignorant, Intellectually Disinterested,
Dumb as a Bag of Handle-less Hammers
"Leaders" CPD has been intentionally
Afflicted With<
Getting back to you smartassed blueshirts:
"Trouble Maker"
"Rabble Rouser"
"Problem Child"
"Discipline Problem"
"Insubordinate"
"Oh? So you think you're too good
to be "supervised," huh?"
"There's no room on this Department
for Free Spirits..."
You're lucky you haven't been left to
rot alive working a punishment post.
Or better still, being given a heads-up
by a decent dispatcher who wonders
why certain stupidvisors are constantly
bothering them for a status check on
l'il ole you...
The shit that can happen when you
either ask hard and pointy questions
or you resist going along with some
dumb shit that's questionable/unethical/
Illegal/immoral/unsafe/flat out fucking wrong
and the like...
How dare a blue shirt question "policy"
that has been researched and put in
place by far smarter people than him.
Police like you have no friends.
Be mean and stingy with your "Good Policing."
Protect only yourselves, each other and the
good and upright people who pay the freight
and actually live in this town.
Be ok with letting everyone else fend for themselves
seeing as how "The Police are The Problem."
They say they can do without us so let us
expose them to every opportunity to do so.
When they find themselves being eaten
hind parts first, we too can enjoy shouting
from the sidelines that they should
"fight fair..."
No heavy, bone crushing punches, hard kicks,
slaps, elbows or earth-shattering body slams or
tearing the hide off some hard head ass for
intruding upon your 18 inch zone of
"Personal Space" uninvited.
(Exceptions may be made for non-threatening
social settings...)
If Policeman aren't allowed to be safe in that
zone, then NOBODY else should have such
an expectation of safety either.
You used a Tazer where there were gas fumes? Are you just plain Stupid?
Can't lock up a mental for Domestic Battery? A police hold should have been put on him and then taken into custody after his release from County.
6/28/2016 12:44:00 AM
You my friend, are an idiot!
Why doesn't the media make more of a big deal about Rahm cutting the funding to the mental hospitals and closing them, allowing them to be on the street and not be housed or properly medicated. Do you notice since he did this a couple of years ago, most of our Poloce related shootings are related to the mentally ill. Rahm put us and everyone else in danger by cutting the funding
http://m.chicagoreader.com/chicago/city-council-mental-health-clinics-closures-hearing/Content?oid=14436533
Nuts go to the hospital the lockup will refuse them. Most of the time the victim will refuse to sign complaints anyway and will say just get that MF out of here. Yes you can sign the complaint but when it goes to court without the victim cooperation it gets dumped
More and more of these every day, it seems --
Man who 'shot his wife of nine days dead with a crossbow stood naked in front doorway ranting about her being the devil'
* Paul Kuzan, 40, allegedly shot Pamela Nightlinger, 42, Sunday night
* Neighbors said he stood naked at their front door as she staggered away
* He claimed his wife was the devil as she collapsed in their home, they said
* She was shot through the chest and died in hospital; Kuzan was arrested
* Kuzan had threatened mass murder at a daycare center the week before
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3664230/Philly-man-shot-wife-nine-days-dead-crossbow-stood-naked-doorway-ranting-devil-previously-threatened-mass-murder-daycare-center-nude.html
"Just a week before he allegedly shot and killed Pamela Nightlinger, 42, Kuzan had walked naked into a daycare and threatened to kill everyone inside - including children...Nightlinger had ushered away Kuzan before police arrived...
"An officer at the Philadelphia Police Department told Dailymail.com that if the scene was cleared by civilians before officers arrived, then a complaint would not have been filed, as 'there was nobody to report on'."
WTF.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Isn't there some way to put a hold on his release, so the police can arrest and process him if he is released from his mental health hold?
Don't they need to notify the family at least?
He could have just as easily went after the officers when he was released.
6/28/2016 01:18:00 AM
The hospitals WILL NOT notify the police when someone who is wanted for a crime is released. It is against their HIPPA law which states the patient has a right to privacy. We brought in a felon wanted on felony domestic charges who played the crazy card by banging his head against the wall of the holding cell in order to thwart his arrest. After being taken to the psych ward, the hospital refused to give us notice of his release. After we begged the hospital authorities, they finally agreed to contact the offenders family (who were also the victims) of his release date, so that we could rearrest him. Hospitals Will Not Help You. They will not allow you to interview a psych patient nor can you carry your service weapon on the grounds. It is a Get Out Of Jail Free Card.
Can't lock up a mental for Domestic Battery?
A police hold should have been put on him and then taken into custody after his release from County.
-----------------------
Reading IS a skill.
You should have your mom read and explain to you what he did to be placed in the hospital.
IT IS NOT a domestic battery or any crime for that matter.
Fast Eddie is always quick to trample a cop with rham.... I would like to know how many CPD guys have been fired under Rham, McDrunk-face, and at the end of the year...by Fast Eddie, always quick to terminate, and too fast for the questions by media
(OT) following this suicide bombing in turkey watching the news turns out brave coppers jumped on terrorist and then bomber detonated bomb praying for the innocent:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/28/europe/turkey-istanbul-airport-attacks/index.html
Chicago pos media keep attacking police, your narrative of anti-police bias is old,and Eddie you and johnny are pathetic catering and pandering when it happens who you gonna call? flaky,exempts,elected,thugs,black lies matter no people the "real police" as usual do the dirty job everyone is to scared to get involved in! But until we are 110% supported you can blame your elected from obama to rahm, turn it araound vote the anti-police crew out! If hillarty gets in this country is in real trouble even worse than now! Thank you SCC for all you do,and please pray for please everywhere! may God Bless the police!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Uh yes you can and should lock up mentals when they commit crimes. Especially felonies in your presence. Let his defense attorney get him evaluated and that would be use in his defense of crime. Better learn your job a bit and quit listening to the old timers trying to get out of arresting criminals.
6/28/2016 08:16:00 AM
Mmm Hmmm...
There's always one know-it-all on the watch.
If your supervisors have a sense of humor,
they should bang you with a RWOC and make
you actually have to figure out why...
"Duhhhh! Dis iz Booolsheet!"
Ya big dummy...
Next mental with a knife..."squad, can I get the swat team over here, we need less lethal right away."
Then keep your distance and wait. De-escalation is the name of the game. That and calling for additional resources.
"Squad that psychologically disturbed man is now running south bound from this location, let swat know so they can intercept him."
Isn't that what they want? Let's see how that works out.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can't lock up a mental for Domestic Battery?
A police hold should have been put on him and then taken into custody after his release from County.
-----------------------
Reading IS a skill.
You should have your mom read and explain to you what he did to be placed in the hospital.
IT IS NOT a domestic battery or any crime for that matter.
6/28/2016 02:47:00 PM
"Fighting everyone in the house" sure sounds like a domestic battery to me, but that's just how I read. When your mom reads to you, she might leave some things out. I wouldn't fault her. She's probably concerned with your emotional development.
Lawyers are self serving, sue the cops, a jury would be more sympathetic toward the doctor, than the cops.
100 % accurate. A survey was conducted by the Lawyers gild and the results show that your average juror does not want to believe doctors make mistakes. When a doctor gets sued and goes in front of a jury the jury only rules against the doctor 2 % of the time. So of course the scum bag lawyer is going to sue the police because jurors aren't so favorable toward police.
I hope that the Copper who kicked that shithead sues the Dept. after this is cleared up!
The question is why did the girlfriend allow him back in the house? Why didn't she leave ?
Is there a way the can arrest him after he is released from the mental hospital? But then, how do the police know when he is released, if police cannot sit with the mental in the hospital?
To 8:09P.M. I never heard you could not take mental. I see nothing in the orders that forbids tasing mentals.
HIPPA law is in regards to treatment, nothing forbids notifying police that a mental is released. I think hospitals just don't want to do it.
2:47 P.M. it is a domestic if he is threatening everyone in the house and he also lives there and / or the boyfriend of a resident there. I probably would have done the same thing those cops did, but advise her to stay somewhere else for at least a while, and get an order of protection. But I think he would have killed her anyway.
Sounds like another training video needs to be made!
May be if she had a firearm should could have protected herself.
Ehhh live and learn.
OT...in tomorrow's Fibune
Sheriff Tom Dart takes another look at mayor's office
JOHN KASS
If he's truly mental lock up won't take him. They don't want the liability either. It's a shit sandwich all around. Everyone did their best. Can't predict crazy and there are more and more of them it seems like.
They should have just shot the asshole.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
A police hold should have been put on him and then taken into custody after his release from County.
6/28/2016 12:44:00 AM
"A police hold"? This is good shit, I'm taking notes. Maybe we could send a "prowler" to pick him up and if he's already been released we could put out an "APB". The Boys downtown are going to be real happy with these new routine procedures.
6/28/2016 07:56:00 AM
Oh sorry. Need to use proper lingo. "Call us when this nut is about to be let out of the psycho ward so we can charge him." It can be placed in with the paper work when he is admitted but who would know if you don't know what your doing? The boyz downtown need to send it on down the chain!
The hospitals WILL NOT notify the police when someone who is wanted for a crime is released. It is against their HIPPA law which states the patient has a right to privacy. We brought in a felon wanted on felony domestic charges who played the crazy card by banging his head against the wall of the holding cell in order to thwart his arrest. After being taken to the psych ward, the hospital refused to give us notice of his release. After we begged the hospital authorities, they finally agreed to contact the offenders family (who were also the victims) of his release date, so that we could rearrest him. Hospitals Will Not Help You. They will not allow you to interview a psych patient nor can you carry your service weapon on the grounds. It is a Get Out Of Jail Free Card.
6/28/2016 02:36:00 PM
Hospital security will if you let them know.
Reading IS a skill.
You should have your mom read and explain to you what he did to be placed in the hospital.
IT IS NOT a domestic battery or any crime for that matter.
6/28/2016 02:47:00 PM
Filling a house with natural gas and threatening to blow it up is not a crime? Hmmm, how bout attempt arson?
It is obvious why the bottom feeding lawyer is going after the police.
The media's relentless attacks on the police, where everything they do is "controversial" has created in certain members of the public's mind that everything they do wrong. Which means that when the case goes to court the police have no chance to defend themselves. Add to this "Roll-Over" Rahm will more than happily throw the police under the bus only adds to this.
Rahm is a totally incompetent shmuck who hates Chicago. The only thing he hates more than Chicago is the police officers.
Walk in and the place is filling with gas and someone is waving knives and swords at you.
How many years has it been since i heard the words "make your own case?"
It's really not a big deal if your one of the cops sued, then you in turn counter sue the doctor who released them.
Another B-52 strike on a peaceful neighborhood -- gas, AGAIN? Sounds deliberate, too.
'It looked like a war zone': Woman is killed in Toronto home explosion and a dozen others are left injured
* One woman died at the scene of the blast in Mississauga, Ontario, a Peel paramedic spokesman said
* About a dozen other people were treated for minor injuries, he said
* Police set up a large perimeter around the destroyed home and went door-to-door evacuating nearby residences
Updated: 01:53 EST, 29 June 2016
"An explosion leveled one home and damaged at least two dozen others Tuesday afternoon in a town west of Toronto, killing one person, authorities said.
"One woman died at the scene of the blast in Mississauga, Ontario, and about a dozen other people were treated for minor injuries, a Peel paramedic spokesman said. He said none of the injured had to be taken to a hospital.
"Photos of the scene show heavy damage to nearby homes and debris spread over a wide area.
"A middle-aged couple lived in the blown-up home, a neighbor told Mississauga.com.
"Witness Claudio Culgari told Mississauga.com: 'It was like pictures from a hurricane, the aftermath of a hurricane, that's what it looked like. Everything was strewn all over, tons of 2 by 4s, aluminum, bricks."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3664998/Police-say-multiple-injuries-Toronto-area-house-explosion.html
Have a look.
This whole CIT crap is really going to backfire. We [coppers] are being asked to take on responsibilities that are simply not possible to accomplish within the short time we have to deal with these "mental" offenders.
We should be taking the offender to jail, not a hospital. We are not shrinks, and even shrinks need considerable time with a person to give a diagnosis.
We should be locking them up, and have the courts, corrections, and social workers deal with the mental health issues.
I would have thought that the department would have required us to draft some sort of mental health report in situations where an offender is reported to have a mental health issue, and attach it to the court package, so that corrections and court services could consider any possible medical assistance, not have US try to make that determination. Having US make these decisions, especially considering the additional stressors inherent in the offender/officer relationship, is just setting us up for failure.
Ignoring signs of mental illness on routine assignments is what has gotten us in trouble in the first place. it serves us as a professional LE agency no purpose to place obviously mentally ill people in our holding cells; the potential for lawsuits goes up, lockup people are even more overtaxed in monitoring such mentally ill persons, not even to mention the potential for injury or worse to police officers who must move them into cells, out of cells, and into transport vehicles to CCJ. Sir, a lot has changed since you were the police. It's time to get with the new way of dealing with those with obvious mental health issues. We either formulate a plan to do it ourselves, or we wind up mandated into a program shoved down our throats by way of civil court decisions.
FOP should demand that CPD is no longer assigned to calls of a mental
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
A police hold should have been put on him and then taken into custody after his release from County.
6/28/2016 12:44:00 AM
"A police hold"? This is good shit, I'm taking notes. Maybe we could send a "prowler" to pick him up and if he's already been released we could put out an "APB". The Boys downtown are going to be real happy with these new routine procedures.
6/28/2016 07:56:00 AM
That is pretty funny. Thanks.
The city will pay.
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