IPRA Overstepping
IPRA has come out with its Quarterly Report.
Seventy-three pages of stats, charts, fluff and some meat.
And this little recommendation:
Seventy-three pages of stats, charts, fluff and some meat.
And this little recommendation:
There is a reason that there is no General Order, Special Order, directive or similar that says when an Officer may unsnap, unholster or display their sidearm. That reason is because the Department (and law enforcement professionals in general) realize that each situation is unique and must rely on the officers' individual observations, experiences and "gut instincts."
You cannot legislate or write a directive for that, and you'd be a fool to try to. But here comes IPRA! They're going to insist on disregarding everything cops know, are trained for, have experienced, and come up with some bullshit policy that will hamstring, handcuff and endanger police every single day. They are trying to make it a fact that you will be shot first before returning fire. Your safety and your life mean that little to them.
FOP, you better be all over this shit. PBPA, you better step up. State? National? They better be involved in discrediting and blocking this before it gets enacted.
You cannot legislate or write a directive for that, and you'd be a fool to try to. But here comes IPRA! They're going to insist on disregarding everything cops know, are trained for, have experienced, and come up with some bullshit policy that will hamstring, handcuff and endanger police every single day. They are trying to make it a fact that you will be shot first before returning fire. Your safety and your life mean that little to them.
FOP, you better be all over this shit. PBPA, you better step up. State? National? They better be involved in discrediting and blocking this before it gets enacted.
Labels: info for the police, safety issues
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
139 Comments:
Are they out of their minds ! WTF is this nonsense. And OT to think bosses are starting to get pissy bout lack of ISRS, can't wait to get the cameras, some might accidentally turn on during a roll call or briefing when they are asking for activity ! Shove those ISRs up your asses !
This is just a "recommendation" at this point. After 20+ years I've learned one important thing...that is not to worry until there really is "something to worry about." If we worry about every rumor and recommendation that some agency put forth to the department, you would be dead in 10 years from all of the worrying.
This is getting dangerously stupid. And I don't give a fuck what your voting history or political affiliations are. This is the fucking socialists that control the democratic party doing this bullshit. You better vote like this county's future is on the line, because it is. These radical socialist assholes will destroy us, and first responders will be the first to bleed.
Tantamount to the use of force itself . ..... Fuckin retards !
I long for the days when reason and logic ruled over ruled emotion.
this nation is lost and the very people cheering this on will suffer the most from what comes next .
When idiots are no longer useful .
Isn't no kin of IPRA facing down a bad guy or bad situation, so IPRA doesn't care.
Maybe there should be a law enforcement committee examining and making recommendations regarding the protocols of organizations that monitor law enforcement.
Frankly, don't tell us how to do our job (putting us in jeopardy) and we won't tell you how to do yours (investigate CRs).
Why anyone would come on this job is beyond me.
Yeah! OK. I'll get right on that.
I used to take my gun out a lot. Never shot it. But was ready to in many situations
Dear ipra....there are no time outs, do-overs, or "hang on"s in police work. This is why we are the police, and you aren't.
They also failed to recommend that every officer should be given a CRISTaL BaLL for accurate decision prior to arrival...
Fly on the Wall: I have said on several occasions that things are going to get bad. About a week in half I told you that the current Chief Administrator and the Attorney's she hired as supervisor's HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF POLICE OPERATIONS. Simply putting it: THEY DO NOT HAVE A CLUE. They are kicking back investigations to GET THE ACCUSED OFFICERS ON ANYTHING. I gave several examples of this. This is only the binging. I said it once and I am going to say it again, she is a puppet on a string and the person who is pulling the strings is our Mayor.
I still think you should send them out on patrol. Let the folks from IPRA take the lead on a few domestic calls. Send them to question the witnesses at the crime scenes. Give them a body camera and a Taser, and let them "de-escalate the situation!"
RE: Recommendation 6, page 25.
I would love to confront the naive lunatic(s) that brainstormed the above red circled recommendation. Before becoming a detective, I spent my first three years (1967-1970) as a street cop in Fillmore (011). I learned so much from the veterans in that riotous district which still remains the most violent, crime-ridden district in the city. I never had to shoot anyone during my entire career.
I was extremely active, both with and without a partner, making street stops with probable cause. I was always polite and respectful with the occupant(s) unless prompted otherwise. However, I invariably had one of my two revolvers drawn and pointed down at my side as I approached the vehicle, often with a smile on my face. I refuse to play quick-draw with an armed cop killer wannabe. On a score of occasions, occupants were illegally armed with a readily accessible handgun. I even gave some, particularly law-abiding local merchants a pass. On some approaches, the vehicle and/or occupant(s) matched the description of offender(s) wanted for an armed robbery or other violent crimes. If I learned that said occupant(s) was almost certainly innocent, I would apologize and explain the reason for the stop and bid them a good evening. I never received a complaint despite the fact that many would notice a glint of blue steel in my hand at my side.
The IPRA author(s) of Recommendation 6 are damn fools who haven't a clue of the hazards of being da REAL PO-leece working the mean streets.
I emphatically urge all active police and organizations to unite against such a outrageous, Draconian, even deadly "recommendation". If the CPD agrees to such maniacal drivel, they're making our guys "sitting ducks" with yet more honored stars to soon be mounted on the wall in the HQ lobby.
IPRA and today's CPD mgmt. = A total Charlie Foxtrot!
They're going to just keep piling it on until the last proactive copper gives up. And how about the Tribune article about that copper's personal cellphone text records from days BEFORE the shooting? The copper 's non-police friend dropped the n-word in a text a few days before his shooting and that's now being used as evidence that the officer was racist and that's why he shot this guy, not the baseball bat being swung at his head. I'm done, they can have this place.
That is some fucking straight up bullshit. While I have never fired my weapon, I have pulled it out and pointed it at 'citizens,' in potentially threatening situations. You know how many C.R. numbers I have gotten for that? Zero. I've gotten them for other reasons, but nothing related to that at all. And I work in a shithole district. Just another bad joke in a long, disgusting barrage of them from the city of Shitcago.
Did they subpoena these texts? We now have to be mindful of what we text off duty and on private phones to friends and family?
https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-quintonio-legrier-bettie-jones-texts-met-20160714-story,amp.html#
They're breaking the law by taking the lead on any police involved shooting investigation anyway. Blatantly openly breaking an actual law. That says that police involved shootings must be investigated by a certified law-enforcement agency. Whether it be state or local, it must be law enforcement. Not fucking ipra. I think Dean addressed this, and the alder pukes and Mayor basically told him to fuck off. Disgusting the corruption in the city and a lack of anything being done about it. While us lowly coppers get hosed every day for ridiculously minor shit.
Anonymous said...
Stop or I will say stop again!
7/14/2016 10:17:00 AM
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Pretty please? I'll buy you an ice cream........
Come on - who the Hell is in charge? Violence is stopped by greater violence, not by sugar-coated rhetoric.
As a non-LEO, I find this whole approach to policing a bunch of crap AND offensive. The "experts" say -----
To me, the experts know nothing, especially if they are some gold star on the CPD.
Rank Amateurs? No...even worse. Clouted clowns.
The whole department needs an overhaul.
Can't read the image is blurred
Well looks like I'm going to break this rule. Fuck you! I'm going home no ifs, ands or buts. I will protect myself and whomever I work with.
Listening to IPRA = more dead cops. Period.
I've been on this job for 30 years and I've got a pretty good idea of when to unsnap, unholster etc. my weapon.
Regardless of what IPRA thinks my gut instinct will be the determining factor of when I unholster/draw my weapon.
Hey Rahm and IPRA go fuck yourselves and stop the incessant pandering.
WTF. 1 yr to go. Fuck this city. Can't wait to leave. Post Lequan Fuck that
This is going to happen. LA already has this. Nation truly believes that we are just to stand around and let the bad guy kill, beat and assault you because it's "your job"
I use to comment on crap like this and the constant destruction of law enforcement but now I'm just numb. Probably like the rest of us. I never expect good news anymore and the bad news is expected just like the sunrise and sunset. I do feel for the good people in America who are being hurt the most.
FOP is non existence and Dean is a worthless shmuck. They say zero unless it' about the fishing coming up. Or that b s picnix
I agree 100%... I will never have to worry about drawing my weapon from the station from where I'll never leave until things finally calm down when the shit-heads run out of other shit-heads to shoot.
Smiling and waving as you drive by shouldnt need a gun to be drawn. If you cant see the writing on the wall with this one then your blind. This city is ran by fools and gangsters.
First this, then eventually the disarming of local police depts. completely. Slippery slope, indeed.
Your safety and your life mean that little to them.
The whole purpose of black lies matter is the destruction of local police departments. The first goal is to demonize every police officer. The second is to de-humanize every police officer. Once that is accomplished the killing of offices is justified and even required my the righteous opposition
They will use this on contract negotiations, make a trade off. You will be able to draw your weapon, but no raise for five years, 12 percent Pension contribution.
http://soufangroup.com/about/team/michael-g-masters/34/
but the citizens want us to take action when the shit hits the fan----go screw yourself with these "mock" drills at Wrigley and else where
I have a very good response to IPRA if the occasion ever arises---BLOW ME!
A few times in my 30 yrs this was brought up No One can tell you when to take out your weapon that is up to the individual. Putting it away is a differant matter. We all have a differant threat level. Don't let them change this.kell
The drawing of an officers sidearm is the warning. Officers on the street already know even the display of their weapon is not a deterrent to individuals intent on violence.
Don't think Dave Snethan would approve.
http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwgntv.com%2F2016%2F07%2F14%2Fthey-come-to-help-people-retired-chicago-officer-on-tough-situations-police-face-every-day%2F&h=KAQFHVbpp
Police lives don't matter. If a P.O gets killed his family gets 100k and 75%. If P.O kills an assailant family gets millions. So it's cheaper for police officers to die.
Contract negotiations will include that we will work in a team concept and only the approved officers will be armed and allowed to use deadly force. Most of our roles will be as security guards. Wage reductions to follow.
here's the tricky part ... any youtube video can be found with some bizarre situation where the offender just ups a gun and starts shooting
so I can justify drawing my weapon in line waiting for communion if need be
Lambs being led to the slaughter. Turn in your shotguns, don't draw your weapon. Give thugs the first shot. No kicks to save your partner. WTF has happened to CPD? If you are young get out while you can. Out of the CPD the city and out of Illinois. Don't spend your life being led by idiot merit cheaters.
I'm surprised they are letting us keep our guns
Heard that CTU fronted the bail money for Jamal green!
Give them a body camera and a Taser, and let them "de-escalate the situation!"
7/15/2016 01:37:00 AM
I was discussing this with my husband who is retired from the job. He stated that many times by having your gun out did de-escalate the situation.
Bad, bad, bad idea. Stay safe guys and girls.
Don't count on fop. Dean will just rollover for a belly rub from rahm.
OTR: Pardon my interruption but curious did anyone but me notice one of the President's responses last night? The Lt. Governor of Texas asked him about anti-police bias and failure to bathe the White House in blue lights. He went on for about five minutes with all kinds of gibberish about how fair he has been. Never once did he address the question of a visible show of support for police officers around the country. Wonder how the Republican elected official liked getting blown off by the President?
Not a single news source has made mention of this omission. As many websites have shown the White House has shown visible support of the LGBTQ community as well as other groups near and dear to the Democratic Party by lightning up the exterior of the building with rainbow colors etc. . As far as I am concerned, everything he said after not answering the question is a crock of bull shit.
This is just the beginning,if clinton wins the election police in this country will be put under federal control!
Fuck you ipra, make this law and I will turn in my star the next day.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They're breaking the law by taking the lead on any police involved shooting investigation anyway. Blatantly openly breaking an actual law. That says that police involved shootings must be investigated by a certified law-enforcement agency. Whether it be state or local, it must be law enforcement. Not fucking ipra. I think Dean addressed this, and the alder pukes and Mayor basically told him to fuck off. Disgusting the corruption in the city and a lack of anything being done about it. While us lowly coppers get hosed every day for ridiculously minor shit.
7/15/2016 02:47:00 AM
Laws are only suggestions, didn't you know that?
The mayor broke an actual law with the wedding dress nonsense.
The mayor broke an actual law when he named Ed to superintendent. (Oh, we're suspending that law as a one-time-only thing, wink, wink.)
The mayor doesn't give a damn about the law. He cares about no one but himself.
You have to be out of your mind to stay on this job.
Fresh anti-Police poop against the wall
at the Chicago Monkey House.
They're seeing what manages to stick
and going with it.
"We find the rhetoric from Police Officers
about 'Going Home to Their Families
No Matter What,' to be deeply concerning
in light of surveys proving that Policing is
safer than it's ever been.
Especially under President Obama..."
This is BULLSHIT and they know it!
Removing the "Reasonable Man"
element in Police Use of Force/Self
Protection in order to pander to the
White Guilt Progressive/Catered-To
Constituency/#bl(a)m foamy-mouths?
...A knife right through the heart of
Policing in this town.
And a disincentive for anyone currently
employed.
They have the nerve to wonder why they
can't attract solid Police candidates in the
same numbers as 25 to 30 years ago.
Just you watch...
CPD will be turned into "For Us, By Us,
Fuck The Rest of Y'awl."
All Police resources will be dumped into
non-contributor neighborhoods and if you
"Silent Majority" want to be safe in your
homes, you'll have to pay an extra "fee"
for your own security contractors and
still pay the latest of Rahm's jackpot,
"Hah! Got yer money" punitive tax
increases to fund the "For Us, By Us"
Police who will then be empowered
to enter YOUR neighborhoods to
extract "revenue" and generate
"activity" at YOUR expense.
You "Silent Majority" are pretty much
useless because you're willfully blind
to this because Rahm made you to
cream your panties and elect him
just because "He's a financial whiz
who worked for the first black president
so he'll be great as mayor and Chicago
will get slathered with federal funding!"
>Bunch of giddy, sugar fueled
children on Christmas Morning<
Rahm parked his sleigh
on the roof, dropped his pants and
took a shit down the chimney.
"OOOH LOOK!
Downtown (and no fucking where else)
IS BOOMING! How can you middle class
churls be so angry?"
Because we don't appreciate being kicked
down the societal ladder to a place below
the m/fers currently lighting this city on fire
but are somehow managing to get THEIR
asses kissed out of proportion to their
contribution to the cummunal pot?
Death, destruction, disdain for the rest
of society, hatred and willful ignorance
don't count...
Forcefully integrating them with the rest
of everybody else will NOT make
EVERYBODY equal.
That nonsense is an orgasmic wet-dream
for socialists.
"Exceptionalism"
has become an epithet under these nation
hating poot-butts.
FOP , no more 10-99 units , give sergeants a driver .
stay fetal
So now they don't want me to draw my weapon unless I'm absolutely certain I'm going to pull the trigger. They want me to decipher in a split second under duress whether or not to draw. Bahahahaha! Go F yourself! I'll draw any goddamn time I want. That's how I was trained in the academy. Boy if this doesn't make EVERYBODY fetal, nothing will. All you assholes still doing proactive work need to calm the hell down so we can all show unity and demonstrate defiance of these liberal institutions that could not care less about you and jump at any opportunity to destroy a cop and kiss a thug's ass
Anonymous 29 and a day said...
I used to take my gun out a lot. Never shot it. But was ready to in many situations
7/15/2016 12:58:00 AM
Back in the early 80's in the deuce, there was never a time I didn't have my gun out and at my side [hidden from drivers view] when approaching a car I had stopped. Self preservation then.
I wouldn't do that now if I was still on the job because I wouldn't be stopping any cars.
Stay fetal.
Stay safe.
1:49 AM
Northside,
You hit the ball out of the park with your reply. The inmates have truly taken over the asylum. Only option: Stay fetal.
Rule 6a
All officer will leave their firearm at home unless they have reason to believe that they will be in a situation which involves the use of deadly force. When officers do encounter such deadly force they must immediately:
(1). Point their first finger at the alleged offender with their thumb pointed toward the sky in the shape of a side arm.
(2). Immediately request a member of ipra or any other non-trained citizen to evaluate the situation to determine if it requires an actual weapon. If after extensive review it is determined that an actual operable weapon is needed the officer will:
(3). Request a second officer to assume the forefinger/thumb position thus holding the alleged suspect at bay while the original officer returns to his/her residence to retrieve their firearm.
(4) officer A will then return to the original scene and take over the deadly force situation from Officer B who will immediately remove him/herself to the station to complete both an ISR and a TRR for use of deadly finger.
(5) on the occasion that Officer A has to use deadly force..( amended as it will never happen)
(6) officers will not endanger their safety in order to comply with this order but try it and see what happens.
If I had seen the asshole before he shot at me, he may never have got that first shot off. And I don't know how many times just the sound of a shell being racked into the barrel of my shotgun convinced some asshole jail was his best option.
Maybe when you turn your shotgun in, they'll give you a non-lethal noise maker that "sounds" like a shotgun.
You guys need to learn how to "fight crime", but with both arms tied behind your back.
They will never understand "you know" when you need to pull your gun.
Stay safe.
J.J.
Pure idiocy. People with no clue are trying to dictate our policy and endanger our lives... and they're getting away with it. They want us to die. They think a dead cop is acceptable and preferred to a dead criminal who tried to kill the cop. If this becomes policy, which it probably will, because the morons in charge of deciding our policies don't have a fucking clue, it will most likely include the "officers will not endanger themselves or others to conform to this policy" disclaimer. That disclaimer says it all. Not unsnapping, unholstering, or pointing your weapon WILL endanger your life. Unsnapping, unilateral, or pointing WILL NOT endanger anyone's life. Only by pulling the trigger can you endanger anyone's life. That's what's considered a use of force. Don't follow this policy. Your life was in danger, or you wouldn't have drawn your weapon. That's the answer for every question about why you drew your weapon. You can't violate the policy if you reasonably believed that your life was in danger. Your life is more important than a stupid policy. Protect yourselves and explain whatever you need to later. Don't draw a taser when an offender has a gun. Don't let them get the first punch, slash, kick, shot, etc. You don't have to wait for force to be used against you in order to respond with force. That's what they want. You don't have to meet lethal force with some de-escalation bullshit lower force. You can probably talk someone into dropping a knife or a gun. You can probably disarm someone without shooting them. But you don't have to! And it's not safe to try! Don't let them point the gun before you shoot. Don't let them lunge at you with a knife before you shoot. Don't be afraid to use the force that you know is justified.
Now that I got all of that out of the way, I'll get to the best advice:
Stay out of situations where you may need to use force. You can avoid most of them. Don't even put yourself in the situation to begin with. Anonymous man with a gun call and dude takes off running as you approach? Bye! Enjoy your run! Domestic with baby daddy running out the door and down some shit-covered stairs? Bye! Here's your paper. Get a warrant. Lock your door. Gang members loitering and yelling "gang slogans." Oh look... just some citizens hanging out. Drive right by and let the anonymous caller worry about it. Crazy guy on PCP running around with a knife, slashing at police vehicles? Stay in your fucking car. He's not stabbing his way into the car to get you. Your vehicle is a nice little protective cocoon in the case of a knife attack. Don't put yourself out there with him and force yourself into a deadly confrontation. Protect yourself and your fellow officers. If you can help a few good citizens along the way, even better. Any time you can avoid using force without unreasonably endangering yourself or good citizens, stay out of it.
Well, yeah, but the recommendation says "...unless circumstances make clear..."
No specific list of what those circumstances might be, so who decides whether it's clear or not? The officer.
So what's changed? Nothing.
Seems to me it's optics. So in the aftermath of an incident someone can point to a piece of paper as evidence of good policy.
What's the problem with that? Then the officer can claim "the circumstances were clear" just as policy requires.
@John Northen:
What you've said is that your interpretation of the circumstances made it clearly justified to have your gun drawn.
How's this recommendation any different?
Let's run the brain trust who came up with this through the videos scenarios and see how many survive. Use the machine that shoots pellets at you so they at least feel a little pain. Allowing political creatures to make decisions they have no comprehension of is just setting the ground work for disaster,look how well Viet Nam turned out when politicians took over.
Chicago Trib has this story twisted as usual...
Meizner Sweeney and Gorner have their stories continuing, also twisted as usual...
Smitch has her story about Speck's anniversary and I notice her updated picture has her looking so old and...well, skanky...she makes it a point that Speck took precedence over the smaller print headline of six (6) Policeman killed on the west side.
Zorn has a story I didn't bother with-why would anybody want to?
Most ridiculous in today's rag though is Dahleen's racist rant on page two where Kass usually spews his nonsense. Or cooking tips. (Gaagh!)
All in all I wasted 5 minutes on this rag paper again-someday my wife will not respond to the renewal notice sent.
Sympathy and condolences to France...
That J.V. team strikes again in France. Similar inspired copycat attacks in the U.S. are inevitable. If this attack with a truck killing and maiming innocent people gathered to celebrate their nation’s independence occurred in Chicago, the following playas would chime in on the police response to end the carnage.
• Loretta Lynch of the injustice department would launch a full investigation by the civil rights division into past practices of the CPD citing “racial profiling”,” biased policing practices” and “excessive force” complaints citing the most current instance of “deadly force” during a routine traffic encounter
• James Comey of the FBI would not open a terror investigation citing “carelessness” by the driver for several miles killing over 80 and critically injuring 200+ while raising the legal argument that “intent” is very hard to prove in a federal court of law. Investigations will instead be directed against the actions of law enforcement as ordered by the DOJ
• BLM and the anarchists would cite the driver’s hands were visible and the jihadist driver was executed for traffic offenses and shot in the back. “Hands up-don’t shoot” time tested chant would be the order of the day
• The aclu would cite the Northwestern U administered statistical traffic analysis, taxpayer funded by state law introduced and sponsored by then Il. Sen. Barack O’Bauma (D), as proof race was the motivating and determining factor to use deadly force for routine traffic offenses. They would further conclude the driver felt threatened by the number of police in his vicinity, the tone & demeanor of the police and his inability to just drive away to terminate an investigatory stop. Such defiance of lawful authority was justified in order to continue his jihad against infidels.
• Hillary Clinton would tweet her carefully crafted Benghazi responses of “ At this point-what difference does it make”. She would then meet with the families of neutralized domestic terror suspects expressing her concern on the excessive actions of uniformed peacekeepers
• The prez would could condemn the police intervention as acting “stupidly” and have a flaming hot chips and grape pop summit reviewing all the body camera and dash cam video to excoriate the police response and cite further evidence of the need for a federal takeover via a federal court ordered consent decree
• Secretary of State John Kerry after serenading Russia’s Communist Leader Putin with his acclaimed favorite Beatle’s tune “Back in the USSR” would cut his trip short to return to Chicago to do his rendition of Jame’s Taylor’s “You Got a Friend” for the grieving families
• Superintendent Special-Ed would strip all involved officers for not adhering to the Use of Force policy prohibiting shooting at moving vehicles. Supervisors in the field and O.E.M.C. personnel would be disciplined for not calling off the pursuit. The superintendent would suggest less lethal uses of force such as the new bean bag shotguns, firm grip holds, pepper spray , tasers and persuasion in addition to other less lethal use of force options could have prevented the loss of life de-escalating this 3 mile long traffic crash striking pedestrians off the roadway during this mass casualty situation
I think that each officer should be given 1 bullet for his service revolver and that bullet should be placed in the left hand shirt pocket until such time as his supervisor says it is time to place said bullet in the revolver.
Worked for Barney.
/sarcasm
Dead Cops with their gun still in the holster? I think NOT. But those people are the experts, Right?
Which district led the CPD in complaints against officers? Logic definitely applies. Only one guess, reader.
Don't even place you're hand on or near your weapon, as doing so would indicate hostile intentions and inflame a situation and cause fear among citizens. Should an officer feel lethal force is necessary, request a time-out, have a sidebar conversation with other officers to determine if unholstering is warranted. If no officers are around because you chased a gunman down a dark alley, gangway or abando, consult offender first and ask his permission to defend yourself with lethal force. This sounds logical to me.
Little Lady from the South Side
Let's all watch IPRA respond to a call with a mental, we'll all be taking notes.....
I will decide when MY weapon leaves MY holster. SPAR me and eat a dick.
Enough said.
remember fellow officers dean angelo is not our friend he only cares about himself and dean jr getting promoted its time to elect a new team
Anyone remember Demolition Man?
Cursing is a finable offense.
Police had no weapons except for a stun stick.
And Taco Bell was the fancy resturant........
So some liberal lawyer who has never done police work is going to establish
when and how a Chicago Police Officer has the permission to draw his weapon.....
It will never happen. Who picked these idiots for IPRA?
Not while I carry a Button for this city and they send me to the worst areas of this city.
next thing they will tell firemen where and when they can use water to put out a fire.
We are all screwed in this city.
Hope and Change and a Fundamentally changed Department.
The pussification has begun.
The Community has been heard.
And don't wear sunglasses, giggle, snort, scowl, don't be disrespectful when being jawed down at and don't be white either.
Keep y'all dogs in that car too K-9'ers.
I knew it wasn't just going to be the old Elmer Fudd™ Shot Guns.
This is a disgrace.
Give the carload or street corner thugs the first chance to draw.
("You better" come in with activity)
Ok...what Team will bring in the first gun on a chilly Friday night?
007/009/010/011?
Cigarette boy, you in on this?
SCC....you expect the FOP to do exactly WHAT?? Wouldn't that rock their nice little boat???
Hahahahahahahahahahahah-Hahahahahahahahahaahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've pulled my gun working the desk.....
just sayn'....
The fact the United States Supreme Court has already ruled on this matter by the use of "The totality of the circumstances" an officers knowledge and experience coupled with what a reasonable officer given those same set of circumstances would reasonably believe or do, has not even been considered by this standard set fourth as a suggestion. Whomever came up with this idea is wrong. Here is why it is wrong. If given the chance to be implemented it would now put each and every officer in a catch 22 situation that no one sworn officer from the top all the way down to the lowest sworn person could ever be able to defend in a civil suite. This idea is lunacy and should not be considered at all. Do the lawyers working on behalf of the department not know this?
Lol. I had to pull my gun on my first day on the job.
There are over 20 civillian organizations giving IPRA recommendations to put into police policy. None of them are police related. Even the YMCA is at the table telling IPRA how police officers should approach a scene.
If I remember correctly, SCC posted a thread a while back where, I believe it was Tennessee, proposed that their officers had to be fired on first before they could shoot.
Could give 2 fucks what they recommend or implement. I will take it out any time I feel a threat. Fuck you if I'm going to be at a disadvantage against these savages out here. I have a family to get home to. One I actually support and pay for and raise.
Can someone create a JIB JAB of Eddie, Sharon(ipra) and jamal?
We have to fight this tooth and nail.
That sixth sense that tells us when to draw our weapons is actually in our hard drive, it's a survival instinct, that's how many kind survived this long. Fop contact an organization called Force Science, all they do is study deadly police encounters and travel the country and testify as expert witnesses, call them and get them here for the next city councilo meeting
You think all of this is bad, wait until the new Cook County prosecutor takes the oath of office. You have some judges turning violent felons loose on flim-flam rulings. Now you’re gonna have the prosecutor’s office partnering with these social justice agitators to get even with the police and anyone that tries to defend themselves against the criminal animal.
I still think you should send them out on patrol. Let the folks from IPRA take the lead on a few domestic calls. Send them to question the witnesses at the crime scenes. Give them a body camera and a Taser, and let them "de-escalate the situation!"
Assign one of these morons to every car and make them the front man. Tell me when jag balls
I can tell you for a fact, that the Cleveland Police Department which is under US Justice Department supervision, published an order that every time a police officer unholsters or unsecures his/her weapon they have to leave a report justifying the circumstances. Now,I can only imagine that someone in the chain of command then reviews that report and decides if the action was justified. Then what do you suppose happens then? Why, if they don't agree with you they will suspend you. yes, boys and girls it is coming. It is the new CPD where the powers to be do not want to rile the populace, even if it means you might get hurt.
I emphatically urge all active police and organizations to unite against such a outrageous, Draconian, even deadly "recommendation". If the CPD agrees to such maniacal drivel, they're making our guys "sitting ducks" with yet more honored stars to soon be mounted on the wall in the HQ lobby.
IPRA and today's CPD mgmt. = A total Charlie Foxtrot!
7/15/2016 01:49:00 AM
Hey, John, as someone who worked the west side with you back in the 70's you are right on, you are truthful and you were a fine officer and robbery detective. Times have changed and we can do nothing about it.
There is some merit in considering how one might go about reducing the number of times police draw their firearms, if nothing else it often looks bad, and that is many times at least as important as other factors in the long run.
I am a little uneasy about how this proposal is worded though. it seems an over reach to me.
The bottom line has to be to allow law abiding citizens (including police) to make rational choices about how to safe guard their own lives. There is pretty good evidence that suggests merely the display of a firearm often deescalates potentially deadly situations.
Not a cop
There is a prime example of what can happen when departments implement this sort of philosophy. The results were catastrophic and may have contributed to the massacre of four California Highway Patrolmen in what is referred to as the "Newhall" incident in 1970. At the time the department discouraged officers from drawing their guns from their holsters and also chambering a round in their shotguns. The shotguns had a paper seal wrapped around them so whenever they were pumped and a round was chambered an officer had to justify why he did this by documenting it and if the department thought it was not justified the officer was disciplined or terminated. What is going on now is nothing new the law enforcement pendulum is swinging in the opposite direction. The difference is that it has swung to the far left, has kept swinging and does not appear to be swinging to the right any time soon. That department in particular instilled an ideology in their officers in that they were more liken to "care givers" than police and it cost them dearly. While everyone is entitled to their opinions an officer who completely trusts the public is impractical if for no other reason than persons with a criminal mentality will use any methods they can to deceive law enforcement including feigning a friendship.
Ridiculous. We carry in security holsters. Seconds matter. Does IPRA want our sidearms to be like a crysknife in Dune? Once drawn, must be used?
New order coming out! TRR whenever your weapon or taser is drawn
This goof ball says nothing someone really should tell insane Sharon just to "shut-up"
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-ipra-recommendation-deadly-force-20160715-story.html
Maybe we need a little "coup" like in turkey:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-15/turkish-premier-says-elements-of-army-attempt-to-seize-power
Have to respect them they are tired of illegal invaders, protesters lawlessness! But we will have to wait until Trump takes office to March into city hall county building and state house to cuff them arrest them! Look elected we awe tired of your liberal lying bullshit!
This "Coup" in Istanbul, Turkey ain't going to grow any legs. They should of consulted with the old FOP first.
I stopped going to the picnics. Can't enjoy it because some idiots bring the ghetto to the picnic!
God I can't wait to leave. In my 26 yrs on this job, it has totally gone to shit!
Next thing you know w won't be able to "shark" people.
It's time to find a new job!!!!
Just wait till Obama's third term...total disarming of police followed by total federalization. It's coming.
Blogger Tombstone courage said...
They will use this on contract negotiations, make a trade off. You will be able to draw your weapon, but no raise for five years, 12 percent Pension contribution.
7/15/2016 06:40:00 AM
And if we are lucky, the city may throw in a couple hundred new squad cars too.
May that be a lesson to all you hard chargers out there.. keep your dick in your pants or Loretta and Barry gonna take turns eating it for lunch.
What a load of politically correct bullshit. If I were still on the job, I'd continue to unholster or draw my pistol whenever I felt like I might need it, even if "the community" didn't agree with it. Sometimes the hair on the back of your neck stands up, but you can't put your finger on exactly why. It's called a gut feeling and is based on past experiences and a sort of cop intuition.
Retired ISP
She is just bonafide crazy! To bad they closed the mental facilities she would be a patient! Watching the Turkey over throwing government, what would happen it we took say 10 cars and we blocked off streets and told the black lies protestors to get the F#@k out? They are breaking the law, blocking "our streets" people pay us to enforce laws, any bosses hello stand up or be stepped on your choice! Blue lives matter always the black lies they don't matter at all, the punk thugs in coppers faces spitting on coppers balless bosses rahm hiding, cannot pull your weapons sharon!
Sharon what a failure no wonder the feds got rid of you when you worked there! Is this being done because rahm owes the clintons something? When hillary finally goes to prison will the "net" catch our "Chicago very own" elected mayor? WDRK What does rahm know?
They don't want their people arrested they can't police themselves
Talk about staying FETAL! 19-Paul everything from now on!
IPRA wants to tell you when to take your weapon out? Wish I could pull it up perhaps someone with better computer skills could pull up the video. Last month a Security Officer at the Turkish airport stopped one of the terrorists and asked for ID. The terrorist proceed to shoot the officer and kill him. No doubt under the IPRA guide lines you could not have question the terrorist because you would be picking on the minority.
What about the laser on my pistol? How can I point it at shitheads if I can't take my gun out?
This is the first time in roughly 10 years I will have used my name, but I feel this time it is appropriate to do so. I wholeheartly agree with Sgt. Northen and his statements about when to and when not to holster/not-holster a weapon. I came on this job at the ripe old age of 38, but was fortunate enough to have had the guidance of many real old-time Police Officers when I was sent to the streets. They ALL were in the same corner Sgt.Northen was/is in, and Thank God, they taught me the same way. I also Thank God I never had to discharge my weapon on the street, even though at least 90% of the time, on a streetstop, it was in my hand. I even know what it is like to be held down, along with @10 other brothers by snipers, and then only 5 minutes later to TRIP OVER one of them in a gangway. I vividly remember putting the barrel my weapon on the forehead of asshole, absolutely CRAVING totake this jerkoffs life for shooting at me and my fellow officers. There most certainly is a God who watches over and controls things down here, because aforementioned jerkoff is currently serving 25 years MANDATORY as we speak, so I thank MY God for stopping that shooting from happening. Nevertheless, if I were still on the street, would my past practice of having said weapon in my hand at least 90% of the time still be in effect?.........ABSOLUTELY. You want to take my job away Monday-morning quarterbacking me on a decision to shoot/don't shoot, go ahead.....but I won't GIVE my life away...not then, not ever.
They want to follow the New York model where the progressives in the city hate the police. Sooner or later the chickens will come home to roost in a sea of blood and the liberals will be clueless as to why.
http://nypost.com/2016/07/15/stop-and-frisk-restrictions-have-nypd-cops-afraid-of-being-sued/
OT: I just caught Tom Dart on the news declaring how he works with Sheriffs in Lake County IN. He actually had a hair cut and looked professional. Maybe he is running for Mayor??
Anonymous said...
FOP is non existence and Dean is a worthless shmuck. They say zero unless it' about the fishing coming up. Or that b s picnix
7/15/2016 05:09:00 AM
NO fishing derby in years. DiMaria has no purpose now.
If you had kids the picnic is a good day.
But to have kids you have to get out of your momma's basement and get a girlfriend that does not inflate.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Heard that CTU fronted the bail money for Jamal green!
7/15/2016 08:19:00 AM
Anything to back up this statement?
Let go teamsters
OT
Jamal called special ed from lockup.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Next thing you know w won't be able to "shark" people.
7/15/2016 05:56:00 PM
this made me chuckle
I'll stop pulling my gun out if they stop assigning me person with a gun jobs.
SCC, please do a topic on Republican Cook Co State's Attorney candidate Christopher Pfannkuche. http://www.votechristopher.com/
I met him recently and he seems to know his stuff. Look up his qualifications. If youre a cop whether white black brown or purple, you do NOT want Kimm foxx elected. She has zero experience and zero qualifications. She is only being funded by Prewinkle to prosecute cops and to push Prewinkles agenda. Foxx is heavily funded by the democratic party and used laquan McDonald as her rally cry against cops.
FOP Dean will not interview or endorse Pfannkuche. Why??? Dean ,like all FOP reps, do what theyre told. Call fop and ask dean why he wont back the more qualified candidate
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You have to be out of your mind to stay on this job.
7/15/2016 09:26:00 AM
What else am I going to do?
So no more "desk pops"...?
PS...This is not the President's fault! Stop mixing politics with how stupid IPRA has become geesh!
I'm surprised IPRA isn't pushing for us to only carry those clown guns that when the trigger is pulled a small flag unfurls from the barrel that says "BANG".
Complete, wreckless nonsense from people that don't know the first thing about police work.
Officers it's time to work on your Patty - Cake- Skills you will earn extra credit if you know how to do the Nay Nay dance. Anything other than that will be considered Police Brutality.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Heard that CTU fronted the bail money for Jamal green!
7/15/2016 08:19:00 AM
Anything to back up this statement?
7/15/2016 11:59:00 PM
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Anonymous said...
I will decide when MY weapon leaves MY holster. SPAR me and eat a dick.
Enough said.
7/15/2016 01:03:00 PM
Oh, officer! I think when these new rules are implemented they are planning on doing a whole lot more then SPARing you. And, a change in the rules does not require bargaining with the FOP. I hope you can see the handwriting on the wall. This entire matter is being driven by the racists and liberals at IPRA and on the Police Board and they have the mayor by the balls. He will do whatever they want to keep the heat off of himself. And, his puppet superintendent will go along with whatever the mayor wants. Active policing is dead in this town for some time to come. It is the end of using deadly force unless someone is attacking you with a weapon. You will no longer be able to shoot at a fleeing forcible felon. Read about the proposed changes to the use of force policy as requested by IPRA which was published in today's Tribune. You can see which way the wind is blowing.It does not matter what the Illinois State Law is, they can fire you for violating department regulations, and in these times, they will. The head of the police board called you a racist.
Anonymous said...
OT: I just caught Tom Dart on the news declaring how he works with Sheriffs in Lake County IN. He actually had a hair cut and looked professional. Maybe he is running for Mayor??
Good then he can make 100 deputy mayors.
Relax. The DOJ says that we don't have to do this, so it's not going to happen.
Rumor has it the dept is gonna issue holsters with a 4digit code on them and officers will have to put in the 4 digit code to draw their weapons. These codes will be downloaded to computers at the end of the tour and if you have drawn your weapon for ANY reason you will have to do paper to explain and justify why. Just a Rumor but you never know
IPRA is a bunch of civilian clowns. They do not know anything about being the police. What they know is how to eat $hit.
Black votes matter! Don't think so? Ask rahm and corrupt hillary.
All this Dept. has to do is put out a General Order on when you can draw - and then we are done. It would serve as a standard in a civil case. It wouldn't be the be-all-end-all, but it WOULD serve as a standard.
Our founders wisely left the standard for self-defense as "reasonable." No bright line rule because a bright line rule would be unworkable.
What IPRA wants is a bright-line rule, because those G.E.D. recipients think they are brighter than the founders. Ain't that a hoot?
Anonymous said...
Don't count on fop. Dean will just rollover for a belly rub from rahm.
7/15/2016 08:53:00 AM
I think your mistaken for the Donahue-Dougherty crew. It's embarrassing to see them out in the middle night cleaning the snow off of the cars of the alderman and state rep.
Anonymous said...
SCC, please do a topic on Republican Cook Co State's Attorney candidate Christopher Pfannkuche. http://www.votechristopher.com/
I met him recently and he seems to know his stuff. Look up his qualifications. If youre a cop whether white black brown or purple, you do NOT want Kimm foxx elected. She has zero experience and zero qualifications. She is only being funded by Prewinkle to prosecute cops and to push Prewinkles agenda. Foxx is heavily funded by the democratic party and used laquan McDonald as her rally cry against cops.
FOP Dean will not interview or endorse Pfannkuche. Why??? Dean ,like all FOP reps, do what theyre told. Call fop and ask dean why he wont back the more qualified candidate
?????
Coopers will vote for Pancake because he's the lesser of two evils. But he's no prize either. Foxx is a hater.
Question: Has the the GOP endorsed him or given him a dime yet?
ot -
These fools are seriously stupid.
And this fool is a "reverend" and close friend of activist Jamal D. Green (Eddie's bff)
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OT: I just caught Tom Dart on the news declaring how he works with Sheriffs in Lake County IN. He actually had a hair cut and looked professional. Maybe he is running for Mayor??
DART will never look professional and a hair cut only kicks him up a notch to "geek" status.
Black lies matter are in elm hurst:
http://abc7chicago.com/news/elmhurst-dress-barn-robbed-after-employees-forced-into-bathroom/1429621/
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'll stop pulling my gun out if they stop assigning me person with a gun jobs.
7/16/2016 01:13:00 AM
>DING! DING! DING!<
WHOOOOOO!
Can this be a thread in it's own right
SCC?
I will leave my gun in the holster more often when I can use one of these boneheads as a shield. When they volunteer for that, they can expect compliance from me.
There is already technology that tracks every time you remove your gun from the holster. It notifies the dispatcher and is gps'd.
Greek police cannot fire unless fired upon. Greek cops told me they wait 5-10 minutes before they respond to call involving guns. However gun violence in greece is rare.
Rumor has it the dept is gonna issue holsters with a 4digit code on them and officers will have to put in the 4 digit code to draw their weapons. These codes will be downloaded to computers at the end of the tour and if you have drawn your weapon for ANY reason you will have to do paper to explain and justify why. Just a Rumor but you never know
7/16/2016 09:26:00 AM
Why must people post such nonsense???
You will no longer be able to shoot at a fleeing forcible felon.
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Really? You never could ... numbnuts
Anonymous said...
Rumor has it the dept is gonna issue holsters with a 4digit code on them and officers will have to put in the 4 digit code to draw their weapons. These codes will be downloaded to computers at the end of the tour and if you have drawn your weapon for ANY reason you will have to do paper to explain and justify why. Just a Rumor but you never know
7/16/2016 09:26:00 AM
Why must people post such nonsense???
7/16/2016 10:26:00 PM
Because many people mistake such nonsense for cleverness.
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