And Once Again
The FTO's....supposedly the most important job on the Department....are getting roundly screwed by Rahm, Special Ed and the entire process.
You see, they had a test, people passed, people got notified to go to training, so they did.
And the City/Department promoted some of them to a D-2 position, where they got a pay raise of a few grand and a half-hour-a-day on the books if they had a Probationary Officer.
The rest? Well, they went back to the Districts without the pay raise, and were told by the powers that be, since they were trained as FTO's, they could get out-of-grade for the days they had a PPO and the half-hour-a-day, but they'd be getting PPO's after the promoted FTO's got theirs first.
So the City obviously never intended to pay everyone, they just wanted bodies available for the "hiring surge" without having to pay everyone once the surge receded. Only the chosen few got the stripe and the pay.
Now, there's another FTO test in the works. And the Department has had to extend the application process three times already because....go on...guess....no one signed up for it.
So the most important job in the Department is one that nobody wants.
You see, they had a test, people passed, people got notified to go to training, so they did.
And the City/Department promoted some of them to a D-2 position, where they got a pay raise of a few grand and a half-hour-a-day on the books if they had a Probationary Officer.
The rest? Well, they went back to the Districts without the pay raise, and were told by the powers that be, since they were trained as FTO's, they could get out-of-grade for the days they had a PPO and the half-hour-a-day, but they'd be getting PPO's after the promoted FTO's got theirs first.
So the City obviously never intended to pay everyone, they just wanted bodies available for the "hiring surge" without having to pay everyone once the surge receded. Only the chosen few got the stripe and the pay.
Now, there's another FTO test in the works. And the Department has had to extend the application process three times already because....go on...guess....no one signed up for it.
So the most important job in the Department is one that nobody wants.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
72 Comments:
Don't take the test guys it's not worth it Don't trust them
I thought once one gets promoted he gets the D-2 pay regardless.
Boy do they suck
Old newz.They did the same to the poor et's. First ET class in 2015 and again this year 2016. Leftovers from first class of 2015 (already trained and certfied) got recalled feb 2016...wasnt officially promoted til around aug/sep 2016. Vietrahm or HR nickleing and diming, I wouldve grieved. Second half of 2016 class still waiting in districts...Promote them
It used to be interesting reading SCC, now it is mentally painful.
The leadership at CPD is SO bad it would screw up a one-car Funeral in Chinatown.
The "next" Superintendent should NOT be chosen due to race, religion or ethnicity (or Clout). Same goes for all in the Command Staff.
"Competent" is not a race or skin color, it's a quality.
But yet......Tucked away in Emanuel’s proposed, 2017 budget is a new, $112,000-a-year assistant to the mayor and pay raises as high as 30 percent for existing members of the mayor’s staff
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/emanuel-gives-pay-raises-to-mayors-office-staff/
The job is only as good as the commitment from the top.
God Bless You Police! Us correctional officers have a rather interesting system for FTOs but they are by far the most important of staff. You simply work for a few weeks as an officer and master hearing your 10-code calls over the radio traffic and a few days later express interest in becoming a member of the response team and allow for them to pomp you into buying them Jimmy John sandwiches and volunteer to be a hitch! Then you are given the FTO pin to teach a newbie how to tell inmates to STFU.....oops I mean "ok, guys please be quiet and prepare for headcount,,pretty pretty please, awe come on guys, be good today, pleasures."
News is coming out of a squashed CR regarding Special Ed's cheating gf over a domestic violence issue. Both IPRA and IAD showed preferential treatment to the little dolly and now she is an LT. It's now public record.
Well this story is only a half truth!
21 of the 40 got made. It was not the chosen few but by test score rank order. Almost everyone got a ppo. The people that did not get a ppo last week will be getting one this week.YES,19 people did not get made and are not getting the 2a pay till they have a ppo...NEXT WEEK.
Sounds like similar to what they pulled recently to the E.T.'S they promoted and trained recently. They trained them, had them work as E.T.'s in the field for a bit and then Don O'Neill said the money's not there to officially make them E.T.'s and pay them so they sent them back to their original units of assignment .
WTF. is going on with this Mickey Mouse operation.
They've been fucking with the FTO program in numerous and various ways the entire 30 years I've been in this job.
It's not like it's important to have qualified, content FTO's training the future of the department.
Little birdie at 35th told me that in 2013 Special Ed was on the west side visiting a female friend when NF located him. A minor struggled ensued with Special Ed taking a few shots from NF. A unknown witness called 911 and police responded. When police arrived Ed and NF both denied what happened but a CR was pulled on NF. It was of course not sustained and now the two are engaged. I didn't believe it until I saw NF had a CR for domestic battery in July 2013 on the invisible institute webpage. LC
FTO is alot of fun but damn the city just hates you. Jus can't figure out why?
C'mon, we need to support the brass, they need a couple more deputy chief spots, they have to find the money someplace.
Do the ones that got fucked get to wear the FTO stripes?
Sounds like good management and money saving to me.
It is a thankless job!
If people do not sign up for a certain job that means the salary and benefits are out of line.
I am not thinking D2A but a bump in pay and some kind of comp time each day for paper work sounds in order.
Hell, if they are teaching new officers may be merit spots should come out from these officer!
Go head Special ED any of you clouted know anything about recruitment or pay increases.
Do you address the 3 recruits in 1 car syndrome you clouted came up with to scam FTO's?
Balls in your court due time to use all that police NO how you talk about you had when you worked the streets.
You will also end up getting the least knowledgeable and utterly useless blue shirts if nobody applies.Special ED will make this department worse for the next generation of FETAL officers.
And yet he has money to raise the salaries of his mayoral department and hire more assistants, well somebody has to cover all the kick backs and envelopes pouring into their bank accounts.
Has this job ever been taken seriously by the CPD? I doubt it. In my day ( retired a few years), the FTO's could write all the reports they wanted to that a candidate was not qualified. The watch commander would shift the rookie to another FTO. The same thing might happen. I recall that few if any were let go based on the recommendations of the FTO. Being an FTO should bring special privileges besides pay and comp time. I think the city should model LA word for word.
Anonymous said...
God Bless You Police! Us correctional officers have a rather interesting system for FTOs but they are by far the most important of staff. You simply work for a few weeks as an officer and master hearing your 10-code calls over the radio traffic and a few days later express interest in becoming a member of the response team and allow for them to pomp you into buying them Jimmy John sandwiches and volunteer to be a hitch! Then you are given the FTO pin to teach a newbie how to tell inmates to STFU.....oops I mean "ok, guys please be quiet and prepare for headcount,,pretty pretty please, awe come on guys, be good today, pleasures."
10/14/2016 12:52:00 AM
A correctional officer in County Jail. No thanks. God bless you as you earn every dollar you make. I used to go into the county to do criminal justice research at the university. I could not wait to get out the front door. I wish every naysayer would be forced to work a few weeks there to see what you put up with. As a retired police officer I can say that the inmates act worse in the jail then on the streets as they have the numbers and their buddies watching them in the jail. I am not sure who is the bigger inmate, the correctional officers or the inmates. At least the inmates get out in a few months.
The "next" Superintendent should NOT be chosen due to race, religion or ethnicity (or Clout). Same goes for all in the Command Staff.
"Competent" is not a race or skin color, it's a quality.
10/14/2016 12:37:00 AM
If you think that your suggestion has a chance in hell you are deceiving yourself. Racial politics in this town are way too strong.
I like how some fto's are complete tools for the department. They are actually telling these young kids that you have to be proactive and the department will support you if you followed procedure. What a complete and 100% LIE. No kids, the department will not support you. They will steam roll over your ass. Answer your jobs, back each other up and do your reports.
They did the exact same thing in the late eighties.
10/14/2016 12:52:00 AM
Cook County Jail Sheriff guy you are funny. Please keep us up to date on the news of what is going on over there.
Fuck them. How many times were they told that the job sucks, it's not worth it, and that they will get screwed over? They did it anyway. We're suppose to pretend we are shocked that they are getting the shaft?
No one wants the FTO position because they continually get screwed each and every time.
Plus - how hard is it to teach a new recruit to sit in a squad car in the park and watch movies?
Stay Fetal for the sake of your loved ones.
What about the LIE that all vacancies will be filled FIRST then the added budget spots, yet there are over 100 Detective vacancies and 40 Sgt. vacancies and now 28 lieutenant vacancies. ALL LIES....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well this story is only a half truth!
21 of the 40 got made. It was not the chosen few but by test score rank order. Almost everyone got a ppo. The people that did not get a ppo last week will be getting one this week.YES,19 people did not get made and are not getting the 2a pay till they have a ppo...NEXT WEEK.
10/14/2016 02:47:00 AM
And when that PPO leaves do they continue to get the FTO pay? NO! So they were not made!! That is the point of the article. The dept wants the FTO's when they want them, but not give them the pay they deserve. Once again short sighted penny pinching screws the future. Go back to being a shill somewhere else.
FTOs are treated like the underbelly of the department. The brass were never FTOs cause it was way beneath them and figure FTOs are guys no one wants to work with. Really a shit job especially today with all the restrictions and new rules.
Sounds like Rahm is taking tips from former P.O. Felica . Would she be the one getting the position or the 30% raise. Maybe ??? Remember her from the Englewood days when she dated all the bosses kids and would drop her own kid at the school bus barn at 59th and Racine.
Well, I used to be an FTO, bit o resigned it when told I had to change districts.
Won't do it again until they go back to 1 PPO per FTO.
That said, i see the real problem here being different than the ET's, in that these trained (but not promoted in pay) will be doing the job of an FTO.
Now, if they formally promote these "acting FTO's" to the permanent rank of FTO, after their first assigned PPO, I can see the union letting it play (though I personally disagree with it).
However, IF the city keeps these trained officers at D1, when they no longer have PPO's, that needs to be immediately challenged, or the city would have no reason to ever make another formal FTO promotion.
Being retired' can someone tell me what is the benefit of being an fop member other
then there little insurance policy that drops with age?
Once again, Don O'Neil is shafting people who are trying to get ahead legitimately by not giving them a deserved promotion after they jump through all the hoops. The same bad faith stunts were pulled during the last class of ET's. And of course the little fellow at the FOP does nothing with this obvious grievance since he wanted his son to be promoted to detective. Hurry up Dean Sr. and get one of your minions to refute this charge with the standard mantra of "if you read the FOP blog or came to a meeting" ...
Please Dean Sr. now that you're no longer on disability - just retire and let us get on with taking the city to arbitration on these matters as well as the next contract. You have displayed your devotion to Don and Rahm and your lack of concern for the rank & file. You are by far the lamest person to occupy the FOP Presidency in your quest for personal aggrandizement. Just fade away as a City Colleges weasel.
Retired .38 spl +P
The upper muckety-mucks blabber about important the FTO is. But they continue to treat it and people that do it like shit.
Just to save a few $.
I did the FTO gig back in mid 80s to late 90s.
Another time. Another world.
Would not have anything to do with it in this environment.
Does this really surprise anyone? Cool PFC rank...
I recall them trying to pay D-1 to Det's working CTA, CHA, etc. a few years ago.
This was a Merit Exempt trying to save his spot with a bright idea. Might have been the very first of many HR - O'Neil Donkey Punches, as what the FTO program has become. Screwed up since 2000. Figure out who was in charge.
Guess what, Medical pays the same D-1 scale as does the active duty Administrative house mouse...both positions (or status)
do very little without an FTO.
(OT) 10 years ago "dishonest media" this anti-police agenda is constantly getting worse, what is wrong with these clinton owned idiots? Really great for moral rahm, the coppers took their suspensions and served the punishment as the gold stars and friends retired and were moved or promoted as the gold stars slapped medal upon medal upon the sos crew. Say what you want about them but when i worked in the shitfilled englewood it was a great sight to behold these men rolling up on your calls, the thugs ran now when you roll up you have to be concerned about the thugs and even your own Blue team will they be able to take the action needed so police are safe?:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/watchdog/ct-chicago-police-desk-duty-met-20161014-story.html
On this rant the nonsense being perpetuated on Vandyke will fail, when he is found "not guilty" no way in hell is this anything closer than maybe an award for saving lives the media-rahm-the gold star goofs have gotten in same cauldron to stir the pot and to any copper anywhere especially CPD if you think your "boss takes care of me type" will be their for you as the dagos (not politically correct) said in sopranos "forgettaboutit!"
Violation of the Shakman agreement:
The city only made half the FTOs.
The rest will work "OUT OF GRADE" as D-2 ONLY when they have a recruit.
According to the "Shakman agreement" there is to be no more "acting out of grade". A P.O. cannot work as a DSS/Desk Sergeant anymore or for that matter a worker cannot work as a Foreman/Supervisor in any other City job.
The city's Law Department told the Academy staff last week that they are NOT allowed to do this however the bosses at the academy said "fuck it, were doing it anyway.
Once again the FOP should step in and expose the City for it's violations.
Wow..the Mayor's staff is getting pay raises of 30 %..all of my raises in 20 years don't come close to that! These pukes think they're in the private sector.
Anonymous said...
Well this story is only a half truth!
21 of the 40 got made. It was not the chosen few but by test score rank order. Almost everyone got a ppo. The people that did not get a ppo last week will be getting one this week.YES,19 people did not get made and are not getting the 2a pay till they have a ppo...NEXT WEEK.
You have totally misunderstood the situation here.....
The FTO's who were made get D2 pay whether they have a PPO or not. They get the additional O/T when they do have a PPO. The one's who get the PPO's at a later date will not be paid D2 pay unless they actually have a PPO with them on a given day.
Either way, no FTO gets D2A pay. That's for Detectives only!
This is the way you should always handle jag off protestors. Kudos to Portland PD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2zvGuxXeFw
As a dick I recently could not get an E.T. to dust for prints at a home that was part of a pattern of H.I./Burglaries for over twenty four hours. On two CSA's, E.T.'s were unavailable for photos or evidence collection. That is the backlog in this city. Another way of killing crime by re-victimization of the affected every step of the way. No evidence, no crime. Where is the outrage and protests? Then the city has the flagrant audacity to send recently trained E.T.'s back to the district without their promotion or title? What a morale booster! The department has its head so far up it's ass it can see the food being swallowed.
Both IPRA and IAD showed preferential treatment to the little dolly and now she is an LT. It's now public record.
10/14/2016 01:43:00 AM
May qualify them for the FBI
thats what happens when you breech the trust. the department has screwed p/os and ftos how many times? now officers dont trust the department and city so they dont volunteer.
SCC... Does Boston PD have a blog? Haven't seen u guys mention the murders.
Let me guess no bids to anywhere decent only ghetto districts again?
765B
Sheriff police did nothing but stand around during scuffle with guy in 15! Wow thanks...
Scc, in the major incidents today there were 3 prior "death investigations" from the last few months that were reclassified as homicides. So tack 3 more onto the list. #chiraq
arne duncan another clowing democrat has the crime problem solved in chiraq:
Arne Duncan: Police can't stop Chicago's violence, business community must step up
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-arne-duncan-emerson-collective-1016-biz-20161014-story.html
arne says give the shooters jobs, hmm isn't that what Trump wants for the black community which is full of violence? Arne hello thanks for coming to the party, what about "law and order" maybe trump will give you a small position you know like it says 13 an hour you say "peanuts" maybe Trump could pay you that! Your back in chiraq what for arne looking for another pension the Chicago way?
The FTO position has never been given it's due in all the years I've been a PO (over 30 years), particularly for such an important position within the CPD. Unfortunately, as long as Don (Stepin' Fetchit for Da Mayor) O'Neil is running the show, it's going to remain a bad proposition.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is the way you should always handle jag off protestors. Kudos to Portland PD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2zvGuxXeFw
10/14/2016 01:04:00 PM
Awesome!!!
Honestly. Why the hell do we need fto's anyway?shove them into a squad-send them out to fill a seat with and old timer once in awhile- fto's almost always fuck things up. Go back to the old ways-foot posts, doa,eps, hospilized prisoners.after a year or so- perhaps a car tour once a week or so. Good cops are never hungry, cold, or wet- how do you think they got that way? Hide out on post- listen to how good cops handle the radio- the old ways worked the best- this new system sucks.
Just saw the dashcam video from 015 where the PO was beaten. You two idiots from county should be fired for incompetence, cowardice, and plain stupidity. When a PO is actively struggling with a shitbird, pull you thumbs out of your asses and help. Quit playing the police because you're worthless and could get someone killed.
And you only get a half hour even if it takes you an hour to complete the paperwork thanks Union. By the way SCC Now your posting this stuff. Oh yea your a Detective that's d2a pay God forbid you give 80 FTOs d2a. Might be an incentive to be FTO
Anonymous said...
Sheriff police did nothing but stand around during scuffle with guy in 15! Wow thanks...
10/14/2016 04:18:00 PM
Pretty sure those were private security or one of those useless Special Patrol Aldermen units.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Well this story is only a half truth!
21 of the 40 got made. It was not the chosen few but by test score rank order. Almost everyone got a ppo. The people that did not get a ppo last week will be getting one this week.YES,19 people did not get made and are not getting the 2a pay till they have a ppo...NEXT WEEK.
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The company loser of the comments award goes to.......
Yeah that is not getting "made" an FTO that is getting pimped by the city to save a couple bucks. The FTO rank comes with a Pay Grade, D-2 by the way not D-2A, and that isn't a flexible thing. You are either and FTO or you are not and shame on any of those fools that works under that half ass position.
For a job the department has made clear they need more of, they really continue to make it as unappealing and fucked up as possible.
Good luck new guys.
They should all type up a resignation to from & send their rocker Fto patch with it. Screw the city..
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Currently and for sometimes FTOs were assigned to connected recruits. The Boss would say "how knows the job well or which FTO is really a decent teacher of paper, decent at placing in check the piss and vinegar of a person in their 20's, and my favorite, 6 10-4 squads racing to a routine noise disturbance. Other valuables info is "why were U chasing Em" good way to get injured. The odds of slammin in2 another squad increase markedly when everyone wants to get there cuz some kid had music on. The injuries alone could end a young career.
Be like The Poet Peter Townshend and "Don't get Fooled Again" cuz it's been a shit job since I came on.
All kinds of promises, btw the contract around 2001/2002 Daley threw down DT's pay 2 FTOs if we didn't go to war. We not only got burned(only thing we got out of that was the wagon guys didn't have to pick up corpses. This fucking over of the FTOs is part of The City's ace in the hole as long as I've been here.
If I can make it, out in 20!
Sometimes I wonder what I'm doing here in the first place. Go to any R/C and take "the over" on that with those in blue.
Easy to explain why no sign ups. People are tired of being fucked over. Plain and simple.
FTO should be D2a every day with 30 min a day (when they have a recruit). Spend the fckn money to invest in the future of the department---quit making up deputy chief spots (caluris, georgas, kirkpatirck,lewin) and invest in the troops.
Once again officers take a promotion and then are treated like NEW recruits with no rights.
But should everyone else be outraged if the actual officers decide to go along with the shit show. I am starting to think that many people are so soft that they refuse to cause waves. I don't see them at the FOP meeting in mass asking for fair treatment.
If a slight bump of pay is all it takes to quiet officer down so be it let them be dragged in the mud.
Officers with less than 5 years OTJ training PPOs, what could go wrong?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Easy to explain why no sign ups. People are tired of being fucked over. Plain and simple.
10/14/2016 11:56:00 PM
Give that man a cigar!
Anonymous said...
Once again, Don O'Neil is shafting people who are trying to get ahead legitimately by not giving them a deserved promotion after they jump through all the hoops. The same bad faith stunts were pulled during the last class of ET's. And of course the little fellow at the FOP does nothing with this obvious grievance since he wanted his son to be promoted to detective. Hurry up Dean Sr. and get one of your minions to refute this charge with the standard mantra of "if you read the FOP blog or came to a meeting" ...
Please Dean Sr. now that you're no longer on disability - just retire and let us get on with taking the city to arbitration on these matters as well as the next contract. You have displayed your devotion to Don and Rahm and your lack of concern for the rank & file. You are by far the lamest person to occupy the FOP Presidency in your quest for personal aggrandizement. Just fade away as a City Colleges weasel.
Retired .38 spl +P
10/14/2016 08:26:00 AM
Hair Gel Mike Shields, Stammering Bill Dougherty, and 19th ward democratic lackey Markie Mark Donahue ring a bell?
Shileds and the missing Letter ring a bell?
Dougherty illegally removing Shields that cost us 200k plus in legal bills and giving a newspaper interview saying Obamacare was a good deal for retirees.
Markie Mark Donahue who let the city skip a 25 million dollar pension payment and along with Dougherty personally endorsed Obama? Really???
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Being retired' can someone tell me what is the benefit of being an fop member other
then there little insurance policy that drops with age?
10/14/2016 08:25:00 AM
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Legislation that affects you to start with. The health insurance policy that beats the city's cost by about 50 bucks a month.
But then again you probably useless as a copper so leave and don't let the door hit you in your cheap ass.
Oh my God I thought I was back in the 70's when I saw these coppers stand up to these ignorant asshole George Soros protestors. Never happen here in Rahm's and Special Ed's Chicago. Why is that assholes are allowed to act like assholes? Everyone should cut and paste this video. It gives a little hope for the future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2zvGuxXeFw
10/14/2016 01:04:00 PM
Give them D3 pay. They frequently have to sub for the merit sergeants.
The "next" Superintendent should NOT be chosen due to race, religion or ethnicity (or Clout). Same goes for all in the Command Staff.
"Competent" is not a race or skin color, it's a quality.
10/14/2016 12:37:00 AM
If you think that your suggestion has a chance in hell you are deceiving yourself. Racial politics in this town are way too strong.
10/14/2016 07:56:00 AM
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Sir -- I am not the one deceiving myself or the public.
I KNOW what should be done. For those in charge not to be able to "execute the obvious", they should be kicked out of their positions of authority - IMMEDIATELY.
Leadership should be appointed by selecting those with demonstrated abilities both in administrative and stressful (under fire) experiences.
What you have in most of the CPD command staff is a joke. I would clean house. Does that make me a racist?
Even for police, there's a sucker ready to take that position. How bad must you be screwed to get it through your head, this city gives two fucks about you. Have some dignity, it's like being promoted meritoriously when you are a real moron. Just think about this, you do have to look at yourself in the mirror everyday for the rest of your life.
As a dick I recently could not get an E.T. to dust for prints at a home that was part of a pattern of H.I./Burglaries for over twenty four hours.
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From the outside looking in, it would appear to me that a detective ought to be able to be cross trained to do at least some ET work. Particularly stuff like this. maybe some photography.
I seem to recall at one time it was handled that way.
Granted there is probably some limit to what is appropriate cross training as at some point they would start spending most of their time doing ET work, but one would think that some minor cross training would solve at least some of this, and might end up saving time for at least some detectives by not having to wait around for an ET to show up.
NAC
Who the hell would sign up for anything that could get you jammed up.
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
Being retired' can someone tell me what is the benefit of being an fop member other
then there little insurance policy that drops with age?"
None....Absolutely None. Don't pay anymore dues, and you wont be supporting useless lawyers, politicians and pathetic leadership anymore. Get your FOP star as soon as you retire, and don't look back. For insurance go to the Obama care website at healthcare.gov. You wont qualify for any benefit, but insurance is about $450.00 less than the Chicago plan. At least it is for me. Or better yet, get on your wife's plan. Don't get caught without insurance, the government is raising fines sharply for being without insurance for even a short time.
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