Monday, January 23, 2017

Golf Outing Debt?

Someone said the FOP Golf Outing lost $25,000?

The FOP said they're "investigating" at last week's meeting.

How does a well attended golf outing lose money?

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112 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ummm, slippage?

1/23/2017 12:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like the commander of 12 had his hands in there. Do everybody a favor you old prick and retire

1/23/2017 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The FOP golf outing has lost money every year. Even the years that Shields, Donahue, Nolan and Dineen were in charge. It is not met to make money on coppers. I've been to every one since I got on in 86. I was told next year it's going up from 125 to 150 person next year.

The picnic also losses money. Should they charge to get into a picnic?

Maybe all the guys that were on the third floor of FOP in 2010 could refund the two bump ups in salary the took along with Supervisor quarterly and the half hour a day they put on the books and then sold back at the end of the year.

1/23/2017 12:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lost $25k? How many bosses, politicians, and guests teed off for free? Glad to see my union dues are going to something important.

1/23/2017 12:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait... did the fop start letting bubblehead run the fop golf outing????

1/23/2017 12:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC it is election season .

Cappereli is on the record at the November board meeting stating the golf outing lost money. Then one of Donahues candidates tried to say 3 months later the outing lost 50 grand which he quickly debunked . I agree any money that is lost is not good. But one of the reasons is with the additional golfers a new course was opened and that cost additional money as it is a premium course and the FOP didn't pass the cost onto the golfers. which was told to the members . The Donahue minion failed to mention that because he never told Her . The truth is that the golf outing has never made money just like the picnic if people are so offended by it they can cancel them. Next year regardless of the president there will be a golf outing, picnic and they will cost the members money. The same people Donahue, Dougherty Don't have trouble asking for money from the FOP for the hockey team. Whether you like it or not, there is a cost for fraternalism whether you are a golfer a FOP Star hockey player, an Enforcer football player or Finest baseball player or boxer. Please we have more things to worry about and SCC you are smarter then this to fall into a Donahue trap.

1/23/2017 12:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The evidence of this financial fiasco was covered in the September 2016 FOP newsletter:

"…participants started the nearly 10-hour extravaganza by lacing up new golf shoes courtesy of the Lodge… This was the first time each player was gifted a brand new pair of Nike golf shoes, a retail value of up to $100.…"

http://thebluevoicechoice.blogspot.com/2017/01/fop-members-left-holding-hefty-bill-for.html?m=0

1/23/2017 12:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Criminals , that's how .

1/23/2017 12:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did cmdr. Bubblehead plan the event? That might explain a lot.

1/23/2017 12:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's easy math....1 for them 3 for me.

1/23/2017 01:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was that a trick question?

If not, my question is: Was Bubblehead involved?

1/23/2017 01:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of debt, anyone else not get paid for VRI in December?

1/23/2017 01:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a member of this union. I call for the state lodge to come in and run the investigation.

Sorry but if you lost the funds why would I allow you to investigate the matter?
Do you think we should run this investigation like a CPD, CFD or IG investigation?

We see how fixed those are

1/23/2017 01:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DEAN ANGELO Was called out at the last meeting because they spent $25,000 on designer golf shoes for the persons who attended the golf outing at Cog Hill . How many freebies to alderman , lawyers and special interest groups were given ? The Blue Voice formerly the City Wide Team led by Kevin "crackers " Graham , Anita Witcher , Bill Dougherty , Rich Agu-liar and the puppet master " Mark Donahue are sounding the bell. How much of our hard earned money has been misspent ? The election is coming and both of these two groups will continue to throw bombs at one another . This Union has had enough of this cat fighting for years . Dean Angelo will be mandatorily retired on June 29th of this year . As a result he CANNOT NEGOTIATE out next contract .Not that I want him to! Maybe Ray can go on vacation then! ITS time to elect new blood into our UNION . Time for a
NEW DIRECTION ! Ask yourself when's the last time any of these crews really worked as a police officer today ? We need representation by
Police Officers who sank a mic , logged onto a computer , completed a TRR and basically can understand what it is today ! Time to vote these old relics out ! Please vote and give us a NEW DIRECTION instead of the same old story !!!

1/23/2017 01:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We have to get rid of this crew. No way do we want them negotiating our very important contract. The last one was horse shit at best. We gave up healthcare and furlough by seniority for what? A lowsey 10% raise? Not one retiree should vote for this aweful crew.

1/23/2017 01:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How does itlosemoney?

Maybe you invited some Alderthieves?
Or President Obama?
Or some people ran up a big bar tab.

1/23/2017 02:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Not a Gold Star said...

Weren't you invited to the after party in Hawaii?

Guess not??

1/23/2017 02:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Because maybe someone did not care how much it cost since it was not their money.

1/23/2017 03:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a political scam. The fop golf outing, like the picnic isn't a free lunch. It's to drum support and ensure the continued support of the powers of influence who don't understand the value of money in the first place. The blue voice squad is a political combine with all the old names we voted out in different positions. Let's see how the investigation shakes down. 100 dollar golf shoes sound like a stupid thing to do. But these meetings are political theater and posturing from these assholes anyway. So let's everyone start going to meetings, listen to the issues, and vote in the election. Let's start posting shit about how every candidate as been when you worked with them. How many haven't actually worked in a unit that does police work in two decades. Some of these jagoffs have been paid politicians for fifteen or twenty years! What do they know about being the police? They lost contact with the job. They know second had stories. Does that mean that my wife or brother is qualified to represent the membership?

1/23/2017 05:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To The Blue Voice, most people will never vote for people who cost us all money, sure it's Mike Shields fault, but you were part of that organization. You didn't mail the letter because you wanted his spot, that cost all of us, didn't care about money then did you.

1/23/2017 06:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stupid fucking game

1/23/2017 06:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This outing has lost money EVERY YEAR in the last 12!!! Problem #1 is the BOARD LOVES SPENDING other peoples money. They should have private or corporate sponsors footing the bill or a great portion of it. Car dealerships--how many of us buy cars every year?? Ray OHERRON--how many of us buy a new gun from them every year or every couple years or ammo or equipment from them, they NEVER EVER donate to this outing.

The last year of SHIELDS term they lost almost 35,000... Its seen its course time for it to go away its OUR DUES $$$$

1/23/2017 06:39:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

You got on in 1986?

Still a rookie.

1/23/2017 06:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Russians did it

1/23/2017 06:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Put Commander Kulbida in charge!

1/23/2017 06:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time for new people (and not renamed citywide team) to step up and run for FOP office/Bd. of Directors. Active officers, invest some of your time and protect your future retirement. The most self centered board member is also on the pension board (Hauser) and he definitely needs to be launched with UnDisability Dean.

Retired .38 spl +P

1/23/2017 06:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard it was "giving away" Nike shoes to everyone who attended.
I don't remember being consulted on my dues money being spent in such a careless fashion.
This regime has got to go.

1/23/2017 06:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Raise the Dues to cover the cost of the Golf outing. Could use the money to hire some GOOD lawyers to represent the membership but cow pasture pool is more important.

1/23/2017 06:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think you can use the excuse that the outing lost money in the past as the reason you buy an uncessary lavish gift. Most golf outings give a gift of golf balls or a towel. This is ridiculous. Especially after Dean campaigned on saving us money.

1/23/2017 07:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The majority of the golfers were members. Great golf course and great give aways. I'm not a golfer but attend every year to see guys I came on with. Could do a better job of losing less money but active and retired members need to fill the spots and no money will be lost. I look forward to next year and hope that this event doesn't go away. Leave the BS political stuff at the door. This is a top shelf event every year. At a time that we are on an island, its good to know they men and woman that are in the same boat.

1/23/2017 07:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come on Deano, not a good look with Shields on your heels. Simple accounting should prove this true/false.

1/23/2017 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
The FOP golf outing has lost money every year. Even the years that Shields, Donahue, Nolan and Dineen were in charge. It is not met to make money on coppers. I've been to every one since I got on in 86. I was told next year it's going up from 125 to 150 person next year.

The picnic also losses money. Should they charge to get into a picnic?

Maybe all the guys that were on the third floor of FOP in 2010 could refund the two bump ups in salary the took along with Supervisor quarterly and the half hour a day they put on the books and then sold back at the end of the year.


1/23/2017 12:13:00 AM


Well if it's losing money why the hell are we still having it? I don't want my dues paying for people to golf when I don't even goof. They can pay their own way, or don't have the dam thing. Same with the picnic.
And please tell me you are kidding about them receiving supervisors quarterly and half hour a day comp and ability to sell back the hours. Please please tell me you're joking. If thats true, I am truly disgusted.

1/23/2017 07:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about they add to the investigation why FOP Lodge 7 paid for office staff members to attend the National Convention?
Why are non police office staff attending the national convention?
Why is Lodge 7 paying for their trip to the convention? (air, hotel, etc)

1/23/2017 08:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes the golf outing losses money. It always had.

Should the FOP try to make money off it’s members? No.

The very 1st thing Angelo did was lower his salary. They lowered the salaries of each of the field reps also on average of 30k each. They did it voluntarily. They passed a by-law making it permanent. The by-law does not take effect until next April. It’s close to 300k a year.

When this by-law was voted on at a general meeting. Who could possibly vote against it? Graham, Ag-u-liar, Donahue, Dougherty, Garza, and Whicher. Why? Because they were planning this election run. They wanted the salaries high so they could collect them.

The blue voice team is controlled by the old city-wide team. Like the democrats protesting across the country yesterday they lie and cheat their way thru life. They changed the name but not their tactics.

Remember when Ag-u-liar, Bailey, and Dougherty where working at FOP not only were we paying for their ice time but they were practicing at Johnies Ice House during the day on our time!

1/23/2017 08:19:00 AM  
Blogger Robert Peel said...

Anonymous said...
Because maybe someone did not care how much it cost since it was not their money.

1/23/2017 03:29:00 AM

Angelo cut the salary of the president by more than the loss of the golf outing.

Let's talk important shit:

Ag-u-liar why no work done by you on CR# retention?
Dougherty why did you not sign the letter?
Donahue how did you make 209k salary?

Graham why did you try to pass a by-law that if charged with wrong doing you could still run for office till convicted?

1/23/2017 08:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Golf outing always loses money but not as much as the Dimaria picnic. That cost us $60,000 every year. Plenty of blame to go around not to mention the same losses occurred under The Donahue/Shields era.

1/23/2017 08:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Please we have more things to worry about and SCC you are smarter then this to fall into a Donahue trap.

Yes SCC you are smarter then this. So fall for my Dean Angelo trap. Nobody gets free golf shoes at a golf outing unless they are a celebrity.

1/23/2017 08:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since when has Pallohusky been running the Golf Outing?

1/23/2017 08:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First off, only invite the politicians that are our friends, does Burke come? Because this guy does nothing for us, the city screwed the retirees and just wait until some of you guys hit 65, you will get it too. Losing money on a fund raising occasion is not good business, you have to find the reasons, don't blow money because it is not yours.

1/23/2017 08:54:00 AM  
Anonymous No Insurance? Then I'm 20 & out! said...

Is playing golf really worth that much Money, time, and effort...? New Nike Golf shoes? Really??? Couldn't they get a sponsorship?

I really don't give a shit, except that 25 K of our/my FOP dues were carelessly expended for an interest which few members have. Much like the leadership in our fair city, the FOP is oblivious to the real problems and issues we face.

I remember past FOP 7 president Bill Nolan taking his entire "negotiating team" to Florida on our dime. They came back and negotiated the worst ever contract in the history of the FOP and we voted it down resoundingly. We were still out the cost of the trip for the team though...

1/23/2017 08:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thats because they spent thousands on gufts for those who attended.

1/23/2017 09:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just for the record upstairs people do not get the supervisor quarterly check

1/23/2017 09:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The FOP golf outing has lost money every year. Even the years that Shields, Donahue, Nolan and Dineen were in charge. It is not met to make money on coppers. I've been to every one since I got on in 86. I was told next year it's going up from 125 to 150 person next year.


1/23/2017 12:13:00 AM

Not true. All of this will be revealed by an audit. There are years when a substantial profit was made, but that is not the point of the golf outing. Apparently during the Nolan and Angelo admins there is always a money issue.

1/23/2017 09:23:00 AM  
Blogger The Insane Fish said...

Anonymous said...

1/23/2017 01:35:00 AM

Like an alderman 10 points behind in the polls who throws a brick thru a window from inside the election shit starts. Tis election is already over.

1/23/2017 09:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about Ken Hauser crews golf outing? Where does the money go?

1/23/2017 09:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its a get together that is partly paid for by dues. I have been a member since the lodge started and the thing has never made money. Its just a good time together.
Over the years, we have supported the sports teams, fishing tournaments etc.
Its all part of being in an organization that supports its membership.
Should we also cut out money for the kids parties? Maybe we will ignore the families of our fallen also?
Stop making things up and work together.

1/23/2017 10:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's funny. Sgt's outing cost the same, but they made over 20 grand.

1/23/2017 10:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC it is election season .

Cappereli is on the record at the November board meeting stating the golf outing lost money. Then one of Donahues candidates tried to say 3 months later the outing lost 50 grand which he quickly debunked . I agree any money that is lost is not good. But one of the reasons is with the additional golfers a new course was opened and that cost additional money as it is a premium course and the FOP didn't pass the cost onto the golfers. which was told to the members . The Donahue minion failed to mention that because he never told Her . The truth is that the golf outing has never made money just like the picnic if people are so offended by it they can cancel them. Next year regardless of the president there will be a golf outing, picnic and they will cost the members money. The same people Donahue, Dougherty Don't have trouble asking for money from the FOP for the hockey team. Whether you like it or not, there is a cost for fraternalism whether you are a golfer a FOP Star hockey player, an Enforcer football player or Finest baseball player or boxer. Please we have more things to worry about and SCC you are smarter then this to fall into a Donahue trap.

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Hold on a second here. Every unit and district holds a golf outing every single year. I have been running our unit outing for the past 13 years. Every year we golf at a premium course, have dinner, open bar, door prizes and raffle prizes. Every year we are covered by donations and the price of the outing passed onto the golfers which is 80 dollars per golfer. You're trying to tell me that there was a 25K loss because some of the cost didn't want to be passed onto the golfer??? Do you know how much the price would have to be then??? I'm gonna tell ya right now from my experience running these that a 25K shortage is not just a mistake but somebody is being shady with money. Every unit runs a good golf outing every year and doesn't loose money, yet the fop runs one and somehow loses 25k on it? Nope, impossible.

1/23/2017 10:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Golf outing in past years was always a loser to the tune of $5 - $10,000 dollars. Gifts were always solicited for prizes and sponsors were always solicited for on course beverages, food and the golf shirt that was given to each golfer in all past outings. Seems that Dean Jr. and the Golf committee is a chip off the old block. I guess he figured if the picnic cost $35,000 every year and the golf outing only $5-$10,000 he could afford to increase the golf outing budget/loss to the members by giving himself and everyone else a new pair of Nike golf shoes. Same mentality as the father, it's all about me.

1/23/2017 11:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The after party was a trip to Florida this year disguised as a FOP retiree recruiting venture.

1/23/2017 11:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like dean and his kid are going out with a bang just like he did in 2002 when he lost the election and threw a big election after party on the FOP credit card.

1/23/2017 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe this year we do without the topless caddies, oops...

1/23/2017 11:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

da skim..........

1/23/2017 11:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Should you charge to get into a Picnic?"

The simple answer is: YES.

The longer response is: Stuff costs money. Venue permit, trash bags, food, drinks, cups, napkins, plates, plastic utensils, charcoal/LP tanks, bouncy house rentals for the kids, signage, desert, games.... How does it get paid for? Either a portion of the dues, or an up-front payment? One or the other because you know the donation jar is bullshit...

Golf outings should never lose money. If you want to play, you gotta pay. Greens Fee, Cart fee, 9th hole snack, after game dinner and drinks, door prizes for the "raffle", sleeve of balls, shoes. Add all the costs of that shit up, divide by the expected # of attendees and that's what it costs to join in the outing. Figure out what the per plate is for food only mark it up 20% and charge that to 90% of the people who CAN pay - those who can't (like a disabled on-the-job copper) come for "free", but that comes out of the mark up...

Losing money only happens when you use the Dumbocratic method of accounting - which we all know DOESN'T WORK.

The proper response to: "Oh, the Golf Outing lost money..." is: "You're in charge, we have YOU leading the FOP, YOU fucked it up, so YOU WRITE THE FUCKING CHECK". Guaranteed the thing either gets cancelled next time because it's not financially viable, or it never loses money again. Hold the organizers and leaders accountable.

1/23/2017 12:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of debt, anyone else not get paid for VRI in December?

Yes. I got the shaft too. Apparently 250 people got left out and they sent hard checks to your unit. Look there.

1/23/2017 12:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"How does a well attended golf outing lose money?"

I respond:

Maybe something to do with the bar tab.

1/23/2017 12:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In civil service Union dues are union donts
Its always a net loss in the end hence
Its always billed as the wills and wonts
but when all's said and done yer moneys fenced
Big shots live high on hog on your dough
leave ya holdin the bag them demandin mo
So you pay n pay day after day on promises made
only to see them getting paid n laid by the maid
You're told to look out for the next contract
it's then you finally be back on track
Except when that time finally arrives
you just pay for more girlfriends and wives
Stand up for yourselves, by yourselves once and for all
stop funding parties instead givin matter to your lives
Its then and only then we the people will answer your call
Cops and Citizens then finally one and for all
Vote your union out once and for all
ending the hogs and their free for all
Come back to the people where you belong
leaving those corrupt fools to hit their bong
You get robbed n raped n pillaged n taped
only to see those supposed protectors escape
If aint bad enough their promises they dont keep
They want you bowing at the feet of Meryll Streep
They have galas and outings to attend and greet
while you suckers out there dying on your beat
They dont care on little bit
whether you catch killers or sit and knit
As long as you pay your dues without singing the blues.
Want to shake up Chicago more than anyone thought?
Or remain a commodity just sold and bought?
The choice is yours-it has always been yours,
to find yourself up a crick without any oars.
Do you lay your life on the line for those free golfshoes
What you didnt realize that you live to pay dues?
Thats how they see you these corrupt union hacks
You are nothing more than billys, bobs and jacks
who function as line items with checks to axe
They seek no raises for you as rewards for what you do
they only want a increase for a higher due
Some may not like because it hits way too close to home
but then those are the folks whos ass they already shown
The last thing they need is for you to question
much less demand answers given em indigestion
They are like insurance company livin large on the numbers
refusing to pay out sendin you to collections cuz of their blunders
And when ya dare to stand up they say it coulda been worse
right before they conveniently point at that hearse
Newsflash for ya fellas you arent there cuz of them
we put you there you are beholden to us ahem
Cut loose political baggage used against you with savagery
to regain the support thats been lost in that damn greek tragedy
Come back home to the people we know you want to protect and save
by turning away that pathetic union hack who treats yall like a slave
Bargain with the people in Our House and yours
instead of the mayor who treats you like whores
Want to earn and yearn without the turn in the burn
Play it straight don't berate and refuse to placate
The F O P is not your J O B

1/23/2017 01:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The FOP magazine saves about 100k a year because the adds help pay for the postage. The only person to vote against it was Donahue. Donahue voted against the salary decreases at FOP. Donahue took 209k in salary in 2010. When Donahue was hired as lobbyist they gave him a car and 75k and then he had the balls as an independent contractor to ask for auto expenses. So if Whicher and Graham want to make this an issue after they leave the smorgasbord ask Donahue to refund his thift of FOP funds.

1/23/2017 01:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
As a member of this union. I call for the state lodge to come in and run the investigation.

Sorry but if you lost the funds why would I allow you to investigate the matter?
Do you think we should run this investigation like a CPD, CFD or IG investigation?

We see how fixed those are

1/23/2017 01:32:00

Check out the condition of the Parking Enforcement and Aviation Police Union: SEIU.

It's not the State that comes in: It's the International.

1/23/2017 01:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Audit would be nice, but which books?
Whenever there's a budget overage, there's a bad manager.
Who's running the event? City Hall? Did $25k go to FOP-PAC candidate disbursement?
Open Audit.
Never give a kid unlimited data when you only have a 3GB plan.

Solution: Raise the dues...It's Only $2™

1/23/2017 01:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Functions like golf outings and picnics never make money, I belong to several social/fraternal organizations and events like these are designed for the benefit and enjoyment of the membership. I have never attended a FOP picnic or golf outing in my 25+ years on the job and the people now bitching about probably have not either, so who's fault is that? Funny how, every time its election season these trolls come out of the woodwork to try to stir up shit. Someone posted that we need a fresh start, if you think the Blue Voice aka City Wide Team is any different or better the team Angelo you're sadly mistaking.

1/23/2017 01:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

VOTE

1/23/2017 02:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Riddle me this Batman. Why did the Blue Voice or the mysterious New Direction not mention the $500,000.00 in salary savings that Dean instituted? Or the fact we currently save thousands a month on the news letter? But hey the golf outing went 25 grand over. Get the pitch forks and torches. When the department is looking to take away all our protections they are focused in the wrong direction. And how do I know all this? Because I attend meetings. Lord help us.

1/23/2017 02:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe it was given to a go fund me page

1/23/2017 03:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

because someone thought it was a good idea to give everyone who played a free pair of golf shoes valued at $100.00 a pair..... someone came up with that idea and it was implemented. sponsorship was supposed to cover the cost, however the sponsorship never came through or only partially. Do the math 100 x 500 players = $50,000 so somewhere between 25,000 and 50,000 depending on how much Capparelli "wrote off" or hid.. Dean probably did it because its an election year and was trying to garner the vote but looks like it backfired... Time for the Angelo Team to go...

1/23/2017 03:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will never vote for any of the old City Wide team, that's who doing most of the complaining.

1/23/2017 04:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The same people Donahue, Dougherty Don't have trouble asking for money from the FOP for the hockey team. Whether you like it or not, there is a cost for fraternalism whether you are a golfer a FOP Star hockey player, an Enforcer football player or Finest baseball player or boxer. Please we have more things to worry about and SCC you are smarter then this to fall into a Donahue trap.

The people you mention above never asked the FOP for money for the CPD Hockey team. It was the team president and Donahue or Dougherty never held those positions. It was voted on by the entire board of directors who approved it just like they do for the baseball and football teams. The CPD Hockey Team is the only CPD team that annually presents a check to the FOP in excess of $1000 each and every year after their season is over as well as contributing to The Brotherhood of the Fallen and CPD Memorial. If you're counting on your posting here getting you elected with your bullshit post, think again, you don't have a Shields or Angelos chance in hell.

1/23/2017 04:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
because someone thought it was a good idea to give everyone who played a free pair of golf shoes valued at $100.00 a pair..... someone came up with that idea and it was implemented. sponsorship was supposed to cover the cost, however the sponsorship never came through or only partially. Do the math 100 x 500 players = $50,000 so somewhere between 25,000 and 50,000 depending on how much Capparelli "wrote off" or hid.. Dean probably did it because its an election year and was trying to garner the vote but looks like it backfired... Time for the Angelo Team to go...

1/23/2017 03:10:00 PM

That's retail cost. Nike, Cog Hill and vendors picked up almost all the cost of the shoes. Fop picked up the cost of most of the door prizes then. Donahue, DiMaria, Garza, Escobedo, Capparelli, all had 6 months to object to this.

1/23/2017 05:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Supreme Court will get rid of fair share next year. No more of my money going to the waste of the fop and its picnic and golf outing. Who goes to that crap anyway. Suck ups.

1/23/2017 05:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Hold on a second here. Every unit and district holds a golf outing every single year. I have been running our unit outing for the past 13 years. Every year we golf at a premium course, have dinner, open bar, door prizes and raffle prizes. Every year we are covered by donations and the price of the outing passed onto the golfers which is 80 dollars per golfer. You're trying to tell me that there was a 25K loss because some of the cost didn't want to be passed onto the golfer??? Do you know how much the price would have to be then??? I'm gonna tell ya right now from my experience running these that a 25K shortage is not just a mistake but somebody is being shady with money. Every unit runs a good golf outing every year and doesn't loose money, yet the fop runs one and somehow loses 25k on it? Nope, impossible.

1/23/2017 10:30:00

Does you golf outing take up three full courses? Cog Hill is the only place take can handle FOP.

1/23/2017 05:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The FOP golf outing has lost money every year. Even the years that Shields, Donahue, Nolan and Dineen were in charge. It is not met to make money on coppers. I've been to every one since I got on in 86. I was told next year it's going up from 125 to 150 person next year.


1/23/2017 12:13:00 AM

Not true. All of this will be revealed by an audit. There are years when a substantial profit was made, but that is not the point of the golf outing. Apparently during the Nolan and Angelo admins there is always a money issue.

1/23/2017 09:23:00 AM


Donahue made money on us???? Why not a refund?

1/23/2017 05:15:00 PM  
Blogger Old School said...

Anonymous said...
The FOP magazine saves about 100k a year because the adds help pay for the postage. The only person to vote against it was Donahue. Donahue voted against the salary decreases at FOP. Donahue took 209k in salary in 2010. When Donahue was hired as lobbyist they gave him a car and 75k and then he had the balls as an independent contractor to ask for auto expenses. So if Whicher and Graham want to make this an issue after they leave the smorgasbord ask Donahue to refund his thift of FOP funds.

1/23/2017 01:17:00 PM

This gets my vote for post of the year! Just kind of sneaks up on you.

1/23/2017 05:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...
You got on in 1986?

Still a rookie.

1/23/2017 06:42:00 AM

Ok hair gel.
There aren't all that many of us left that were hired in 1986 or before.

1/23/2017 05:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of debt, anyone else not get paid for VRI in December?

Yes. I got the shaft too. Apparently 250 people got left out and they sent hard checks to your unit. Look there.

1/23/2017 12:38:00 PM

Damn, I didn't get paid for December VRI either. Is that because I didn't sign up to work it?

1/23/2017 05:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vote these guys out.

1/23/2017 05:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's time to drain the swamp at the FOP. Disability Dean, will soon be retiree Dean, and a retiree has no business being President of the FOP. Dean negotiated the worst contract in the history of the FOP, and should not be given a second chance to destroy our benefits. He gave away the store regarding health insurance, duty availability pay for the new people, bargained for 400 new squad cars which we never received, and now complains about the lack of cars. Disability Dean, has morphed into Disaster Dean, and will soon be Retiree Dean. Dean has to go.

1/23/2017 06:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For Chr**t sake! Will someone give Kulbida a tv already!

1/23/2017 07:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...Sounds like the commander of 12 had his hands in there."(1/23/2017 12:10:00 AM)

— many many many years back in the Old 012 there was an entire Plan 1 formed for the 012 Annual Goof Outing,
a Lt, Sgt and 10 PO's "detailed" for a month (or more) to organize the 1 day extravaganza.
Sounds like EK is a scoundrel, too bad. The Old 012 knew how to throw a bash.

1/23/2017 07:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could not believe what I just read in the Sun-Times...Dean Angelo Sr. doesn't want the release of the names of the merit promotees and nominators. He's a sell-out to all of us hard-working members! The FOP should be demanding this information be released and the publication of a rank order list. Did Dean Jr. receive a merit promotion from Dandy Don O'Neill? Things that make you go hmmm!

-X76

1/23/2017 07:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will be making a FOIA request for all the candidates arrest numbers. I will pass this information on to SCC and then we can see and vote for the guys and ladies that are the real working police.

-X76

1/23/2017 07:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How many of us actually attend the golf outing? Maybe 1% of active members? I've been on 15 years and have never attended nor can I think of anyone I know who has attended. Use the money toward something that ben fits all the members, especially when it's that much money, not just something that benefits 1-5% of the members. Or, just have the people that attend pay their fair share. Why should we have to pay out of our union dues for a few to play good at a premium golf course.

1/23/2017 07:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DON"T vote for any retirees!
its just plain stupid.

By the way disability DEAN who is healthy now retire later this year and can't negotiate any part of contract. But nobody on board or 1st vice prez say a thing!

1/23/2017 08:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Riddle me this Batman. Why did the Blue Voice or the mysterious New Direction not mention the $500,000.00 in salary savings that Dean instituted? Or the fact we currently save thousands a month on the news letter? But hey the golf outing went 25 grand over. Get the pitch forks and torches. When the department is looking to take away all our protections they are focused in the wrong direction. And how do I know all this? Because I attend meetings. Lord help us.




Well, Bat-Buffoon....for the 500 guys who golfed, that's terrific. For the other 9500 guys/gals who didn't, our dues PAID FOR GOLF SHOES WTF. I don't care how much money we saved on the news letter. Taking the money we saved there, and then spending it on golf shoes for 500 people (not all of which are FOP members either) seems pretty stupid if you ask me. Does the FOP still give the FOP Stars Hockey club money? When Dougherty, Aguilar, Bailey and that crew were in charge, they were skating on the membership's dime, for years. How much $$$ did you guys donate to the hockey team, $10,000? Ask those idiots when they come around looking for your vote. Money saved by the membership should be spend ON THE MEMBERSHIP, not for the golf outing.

1/23/2017 08:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

our lodge has a golf outing every year and 10,000 to 15,000 is made and goes into the lodges bank account. The golf outing is used as a fund raiser for the lodge.

1/23/2017 08:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's disgusting. No checks and balances. Love to see the FBI go through the last 15 years.

1/23/2017 08:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dean Angelo has lied to us since before he took office . Dean met with Bella , McDonagh and Ray Casiano on 11 March 2014 and was asked a series of questions . This is from the Clean Slate letter of endorsement . In it Mcdonagh and Bella state they were promised nothing
Lie # 1. They were made several promises .

Question # 1 . Would Dean reduce his salary for President ?
Lie #2 He did not . He did collect his $50 k disability salary until July.

Question #2 . Would Dean name the elected members as Field Reps in the FOP office ?
Lie # 3 . Stated he would ! Frank Demaria and Dan Gorman were replaced by Tom Mcdonagh and Marlon Harvey .

Question # 3 . Did you promise anything to Tom Mcdonagh ?
Lie # 3 - No

Dean Angelo has lied to us even prior to being elected . Dean, Greg , Ray ,Kevin and the rest of the crew will do or say anything to stay in office . Kevin Kilmer when making a presentation to the 15th District stressed that he did not run in the last election with Dean Angelo . Hey Kevin you are joined at the hip by Tom , Danny Herbert ( attorney ) and his college roommate Jack Byrnes . You are on the ticket with Dean now and that is all that matters ! What's truly amazing is the fact the two African - American field reps were shown the door and shunned by Dean . When one of them asked Ray what's going on with the ticket he was told that "Blacks don't vote and because of this you are not electable !" Dean doesn't need them and now bad raps them both ! Time to have this crew pack their things !


1/23/2017 08:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why would everyone who gets decent salary get new shies? Total waste of money. How come the fop can't get enough sponsors to help go it the bill? Non- professionals. Also, time to get rid of some of the FOP officers who have out-stayed their position. Treasurer comes to mind.

1/23/2017 09:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let us not forget 3 years ago, no contract, no letter, and an illegal removal of a sitting FOP president. The puppet mast of this cop was Mark Donahue and his band of thugs.

Remember these names who were active participants of the coup or supporters of it:

Donahue
Dougherty
DiMaria
Graham
Bourret
Garza
Gorman

When they stabbed Shields in the back they also tried to screw us.

1/23/2017 10:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Marty stop writing essays. You should have run for trustee.

And Mr. Anonymous from the third ticket you and your brother have an advantage over the blue voice(shitty-wide team). Your not them at least.

Ag-u-liar thanks for my CR#'s being on line because you were a lazy POS>

1/23/2017 10:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget the old O'Hare golf outings

1/23/2017 10:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People pay to go , no golf outing should loose any money. Any police organization should have open books. History seems to repeat itself on this job

1/24/2017 12:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bottom line here is that the FOP should not be spending members money on golf shoes or anything else WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF THE RANK AND FILE.

Since I don't golf, I want a $100.00 refund of my dues.

1/24/2017 05:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Same way a $3000 dinner gets paid for on FOP credit card

1/24/2017 07:06:00 AM  
Blogger Truth Teller said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dean Angelo has lied to us since before he took office . Dean met with Bella , McDonagh and Ray Casiano on 11 March 2014 and was asked a series of questions . This is from the Clean Slate letter of endorsement . In it Mcdonagh and Bella state they were promised nothing
Lie # 1. They were made several promises .

Question # 1 . Would Dean reduce his salary for President ?
Lie #2 He did not . He did collect his $50 k disability salary until July.

Question #2 . Would Dean name the elected members as Field Reps in the FOP office ?
Lie # 3 . Stated he would ! Frank Demaria and Dan Gorman were replaced by Tom Mcdonagh and Marlon Harvey .

Question # 3 . Did you promise anything to Tom Mcdonagh ?
Lie # 3 - No


1/23/2017 08:58:00 PM

Dougherty and Angelo BOTH offered McDonough a field rep spot for his endorsement. It's not a crime but good politics. Billy said in the runoff if elected he would name ALL his guys as field reps.

Dean did lower the salaries across the board. The 990 tax forms are on-line. And Donahue did make 209k in 2010!

Keith Carter will be retired in 6 weeks and the other guy has 30 years.

Is it just my perception but is the Blue Voice (City-Wide) team using MSNBC tactics?

I have to rate your post 4 out of 5 Pinocchio’s

1/24/2017 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a BULLSHIT about the golf outing. YES the golf outing and YES the picnic lose money. But NO Fop does not take a loss. The Gift store is open all year. It makes money. Fop is a not for profit. The losses at the picnic and golf outing have to offset the gift store profits or you have to pay taxes and Fop would lose it's tax exempt status. Graham would know this if he wasn't so worried abut the 33rd piece of pizza.

The golf outing in 2010 cost 45414 and had revenues of 45414. Picnic was 16873 and 16873. But both lost money. But broke even on paper pg. 9.

Look at pg. 25. And my buddy was expelled from Fop for asking about Donahue's salary. If I found all this out sitting in a car on my lap top. How could all of you hard charges running for office not know this.

http://www.guidestar.org/findocuments/2010/362/467/2010-362467755-07b529a7-9o.pdf

1/24/2017 08:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When they stabbed Shields in the back they also tried to screw us.

Thanks Mikey!

1/24/2017 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will never vote for any of the old City Wide team, that's who doing most of the complaining.

Looking at Dean's ticket he has more Citywide guys then any of the other tickets:

Tom Mcdonagh
Greg Bella
John Capparelli
Bill Burns
Pat Duckhorn
Bob Rutherford
Steve Schorsch
Ron Shogren
Dan Trevino


1/24/2017 09:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To The Blue Voice, most people will never vote for people who cost us all money, sure it's Mike Shields fault, but you were part of that organization. You didn't mail the letter because you wanted his spot, that cost all of us, didn't care about money then did you.

The only money Mike Shields got from the FOP was the $600 per month stipend for the immediate past position on the board. He lost his whistle blower lawsuit hands down. Wass stuck paying his own lawyer fees and received $600 x 36 months= $21,600.

More importantly, I was told that Greg Bella and Tom McDonagh supported Dean Angelo last election because Dean agreed to bring both of them into the office and Dean agreed to drop the lawsuit against Bella for the $206,000 that Greg approved a check for that went to his buddies. Why was this lawsuit dropped just months after Dean's election in 2014? Check court records its there.

1/24/2017 09:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time to kick these bums out and go with a real union like the AFL-CIO or the Teamsters..What do we have to lose?

1/24/2017 10:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Will never vote for any of the old City Wide team, that's who doing most of the complaining.

Looking at Dean's ticket he has more Citywide guys then any of the other tickets:

Tom Mcdonagh
Greg Bella
John Capparelli
Bill Burns
Pat Duckhorn
Bob Rutherford
Steve Schorsch
Ron Shogren
Dan Trevino

1/24/2017 09:41:00 AM

*****

Capparelli is the biggest do nothing FOP has ever known. We put him out of the office and then Shields did also. Bella had a falling out with the City-wide guys when he lost his election to Shields.

Many Germans were nationalists. But not all become Nazis. The following are members of the coup that tried to seized power during Shields failed tenure, in order of treachery:

Donahue
Dougherty
Graham
Aguilar
Davis
Bourret
DiMaria

1/24/2017 06:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said......

More importantly, I was told that Greg Bella and Tom McDonagh supported Dean Angelo last election because Dean agreed to bring both of them into the office and Dean agreed to drop the lawsuit against Bella for the $206,000 that Greg approved a check for that went to his buddies. Why was this lawsuit dropped just months after Dean's election in 2014? Check court records its there.

1/24/2017 09:50:00 AM

Donahue and Davis signed the check not Bella.

Who is bankrolling The Blue Voice ticket? Could it be the lawyers that would be their in-house attorneys? Paul Geiger, Tom Pleines, Ronald Dahms, Ralph Licari?

Just asking.

1/24/2017 06:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey copper that runs the outings for the past 25 years. Bloomingdale or glen Eagles really, have you ever played Gog Hill....some how I think you full of shit.....

1/24/2017 08:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DEAR SCC call me at work tomorrow and lets discuss a few times.. Ask for me...312-747-8220
It is against FOP bi-laws and constitution to openly discredit the lodge or any member of the lodge...

1/24/2017 08:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Same way a $3000 dinner gets paid for on FOP credit card

1/24/2017 07:06:00 AM

Would you have a problem with Donahue taking Ted Street, the then state fop president, out for dinner and then the next night they switch picking up the tab? 200.00 tab every other night that Springfield was in session. The State Lodge expelled Ted Street for life for what he did to Michael Shields of Chicago 7. When will Lodge 7 expel 9.75. Not Rahm! That's Mark Donahue's hat size!

1/24/2017 10:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

23 JAN @9:50hrs - Extremely valid point! Hauser's antics as a Pension Bd. Trustee & FOP Board member have done more damage than any Lodge 7 President. A true snake in the grass.

Retired.38 spl +P

1/25/2017 02:53:00 AM  
Blogger SCC said...

Anonymous said...

DEAR SCC call me at work tomorrow and lets discuss a few times.. Ask for me...312-747-8220
It is against FOP bi-laws and constitution to openly discredit the lodge or any member of the lodge

=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Well you didn't leave a name first of all.

Second, it's "by-laws" Asshat, unless there's something about your bedroom you'd like to share with everyone.

Third, cite the discredit. Remember that we write the main page, not the comments. And also remember, the $25,000 discrepancy was addressed in an open meeting.

1/25/2017 04:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

DEAR SCC call me at work tomorrow and lets discuss a few times.. Ask for me...312-747-8220
It is against FOP bi-laws and constitution to openly discredit the lodge or any member of the lodge

=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Well you didn't leave a name first of all.

Second, it's "by-laws" Asshat, unless there's something about your bedroom you'd like to share with everyone.

Third, cite the discredit. Remember that we write the main page, not the comments. And also remember, the $25,000 discrepancy was addressed in an open meeting.

1/25/2017 04:29:00 AM


Shades of the epic Paul Gieger foolishness?

Nice backhand across this fop sock-puppet's teeth, SCC.

1/25/2017 10:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Golf is expensive. Next year Polo.

1/25/2017 04:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Golf is expensive. Next year Polo.

**************

And instead of golf shoes, all attendees get a free Polo Pony

1/25/2017 07:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Paul Kersey said...

DEAR SCC call me at work tomorrow and lets discuss a few times.. Ask for me...312-747-8220
It is against FOP bi-laws and constitution to openly discredit the lodge or any member of the lodge

=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"Hello, is Me there?"
"Who is Me? I'm not Me, Who are you?"
"I'm SCC, I am calling Me."
"How could you be calling yourself, Jerk-off?"
"No, I'm calling Mr. Me."
"Look, there is no Me here."
"Then, who am I talking to?"
"Me. You're talking to Me."
"OK now we're getting somewhere."
"So who do you want to talk to, SCC?"
"You."
"What for?"
"You told me to call you today."
"I never did that."
"You're ME aren't you?"
"How could I be you, Asshat?"


Yep - FOP has its act together.

1/26/2017 12:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if the Dean Angelo team has more former Citywide team members than why is the Blue Voice listing only 5 trustee out of a possible 17 trustees. At last count it looked like the Dean Angelo team had 4 prior citywide team members and the BLUE VOICE also has 4 former Citywide team members. So how can some knucklehead claim that the Dean Angelo team has more? looks to me like the BLUE VOICE needs to disclose the remaining trustees.

why do they both need three vice presidents instead of two or one.

lets also see if "fathead" johnson discloses the names of merit sergeants and their sponsors for the upcoming sergeants class. If only the connected are going to get merit then it should be eliminated all other.

The DOJ should have checked in the fact that a few so called SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS conducted secret study groups and their minions scored very well. the DOJ need to look into the cheating Lt's and cheating Sgt's

and it looks like granny clampett (Anne KIRKPATRICK) was absorbed by another bureau which is being lead by another bi-polar, self destructing air head whose initials are B.W. that goes to prove that granny was heading a fictitious bureau people need to wake up and smell the coffee.

1/26/2017 08:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...

Golf is expensive. Next year Polo.

**************

And instead of golf shoes, all attendees get a free Polo Pony

1/25/2017 07:47:00 PM

????????????????????

Could you see Graham or Whicher on a pony. I can see the PETA protests now!

1/28/2017 11:46:00 PM  

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