Wednesday, January 18, 2017

"Statistical Evidence Not Required"

  • The most important statement in the Justice Department’s damning report on the Chicago Police Department has nothing to do with police behavior. Released on Friday, the report found the Chicago police guilty of a “pattern or practice” of unconstitutional force. But it turns out that the Justice Department has no standard for what constitutes a “pattern or practice” (the phrase comes from a 1994 federal statute) of unconstitutional police conduct. “Statistical evidence is not required” for a “pattern or practice” finding, the DOJ lawyers announce, citing unrelated court precedent. Nor is there “a specific number of incidents” required to constitute a “pattern or practice,” they proclaim.

    Having cleared themselves of any obligation to provide “a specific number of [unconstitutional] incidents” or a statistical benchmark for evaluating them, the DOJ attorneys proceed to ignore any further obligation of transparency. The reader never learns how many incidents of allegedly unconstitutional behavior the Justice Department found, nor how those incidents compare with the universe of police-civilian contacts conducted by the Chicago Police Department. No clue is provided regarding why the DOJ lawyers concluded that the alleged abuses reached the mysterious threshold for constituting a pattern or practice. Instead, the report uses waffle words like “several,” “often,” or “many” as a substitute for actual quantification. This vacuum of information hasn’t stopped the mainstream media from trumpeting the report as yet another exposé of abusive, racist policing. EXCESSIVE FORCE IS RIFE IN CHICAGO, U.S. REVIEW FINDS, read the headline on the New York Times’s front-page story, which went on to note that the excessive force was “chiefly aimed at African-Americans and Latinos.”
Then MacDonald goes on to expound on the point we brought up yesterday (and the point that the Sun Times "reporter" referenced in the post directly below completely missed), and she does it so much better than we were able to:
  • The report does disclose that the DOJ attorneys reviewed 425 incidents of less-than-lethal force between January 2011 and April 2016. But what proportion of total force incidents those 425 events represent or how many of those 425 incidents the federal lawyers found unconstitutional isn’t revealed. As to how many stops and arrests were made over that same time period that didn’t involve the use of force, the reader can only guess.

    We also learn that the federal civil rights team identified 203 officer-involved shootings between January 1, 2011, and March 21, 2016. How many of those were bad shootings? Fifteen? One hundred? The reader is left in the dark. The massive New York Police Department averaged 48 shootings a year from 2005 to 2015. The per-capita rate of officer shootings in the NYPD is therefore much lower than in the Chicago Police Department, which is about a third the size. But Chicago’s crime rate is much higher than New York’s; CPD officers confront many more armed and resisting suspects. It would have been useful to know how the ratio of officer-involved shootings to criminal shootings in Chicago compares to other cities. We don’t even learn how many of those 203 officer-involved shootings in Chicago were lethal.
We've bought a number of MacDonald's books, and it might behoove members of the so-called media to read her work, which is painstakingly footnoted, precise and (dare we say it) unbiased. Numbers are tortured so often to make them say things that don't stand up to rigorous academic scrutiny - it happens on both sides of the political divide. But when you have someone strip them down and explain the meaning and logical conclusions behind the numbers as MacDonald does, you'd have to be a moron (or a member of the press....but we repeat ourselves) to see anything but a half-assed hit job by an Administration on the way out.



Anonymous Heartless Taxpayer said...

Where is the Task Force investigating the biased application of the laws by the DOJ and the Attorney General???

Can't wait til Friday and the changing of the Guard!!

1/18/2017 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heather MacDonald better watch out, she keeps on reporting the TRUTH like this, and she'll be looking for another job!

(THANK YOU Heather!)

1/18/2017 12:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then MacDonald goes on to expound on the point we brought up yesterday (and the point that the Sun Times "reporter" referenced in the post directly below completely missed), and she does it so much better than we were able to:

Don't sell yourself short, your insight, understanding and conveyance of these crucial matters are remarkable...keep up the great work!

1/18/2017 12:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Right on SCC. Too bad we don't have official advocacy anywhere near like Heathers within our own dept.

1/18/2017 12:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's why the whole report is worthless It means nothing. They have to say something after all the money was spent so of course they're going to come up with some nonsense. It's all big words and phrases repeated over and over with no real meaning. It's really quite embarrassing. What a waste of federal money.

1/18/2017 12:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The DOJ acted stupidly.

1/18/2017 01:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dan Mihalopoulos!

Click on the highlighted text and READ
Dr.McDonald's article, you lazy bastard!

You'll find all the "serious discussion"
you can stand.

1/18/2017 02:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT: This is what they want us to do:
An example of de-escalation:

Denton County sheriff's Lt. Orlando Hinojosa said officers arrived to find an armed man screaming at them from a backyard.

As officers withdrew, the man ducked into the house and fired from a window, striking Detective Jerry Walker in the neck. Walker was flown to Denton Regional Medical Center where he later died. Dozens of officers and firefighters lined up to salute as Officer Walker's body was escorted out of the hospital shortly before 9 p.m. Walker leaves behind four children, including a child who was just a few months old.

1/18/2017 02:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The DOJ investigation was never to vindicate or validate past practice or pattern. Have they ever launched an investigation into a municipal department and declared the department as a role model police organization? The DOJ is biased like the media picking spinning information to get the answer they came to announce before the investigation began.

1/18/2017 04:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will Friday please finally arrive?

1/18/2017 04:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This follows in line with current IPRA or IAD investigations where it does not matter if there is any evidence of misconduct. Just evidence that you were present at time of allegation is enough to get you stripped, served with allegations and then transfered to
call back while you wait for the alleged evidence to appear.

I have sat in this same situation for over 2 years. Just for riding on a job assignment.
Stay Fetal

1/18/2017 05:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Federal DOJ and it's lawyers are all powerful and they have an agenda which must be implemented and fulfilled. Don't argue with them and don't try to use so called facts to dispute their findings. If the DOJ said it, they meant it and therefore it must be so. Just go along with the program.

1/18/2017 05:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The bias by the DOJ, the media, the progressive right, all liberals and even the White House is shocking. So remember, white people bad, republicans evil, rich people selfish, and the Police are even worst.

1/18/2017 05:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the President doesn't pardon Blago, will he finally talk?

1/18/2017 05:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

which administration Obama and Emanuel, Inc.

1/18/2017 05:54:00 AM  
Anonymous DaveL said...

They have to say something after all the money was spent so of course they're going to come up with some nonsense.

After all the money was spent? My friend, you're missing half the point. If past DOJ investigations are any indication, what comes next is a consent decree requiring the city to, among other things, keep DOJ 'monitors' on its own dime for years. The spending has barely gotten started.

1/18/2017 06:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This was a rush smear job by has been Loretta Lynch from an administration on its way out the door.

1/18/2017 06:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rahm will be gunning for Ms. McDonald.

1/18/2017 06:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How spiciously predictable. You announce a pattern or practice of civil rights violations but you have no standard or criteria of what defines a pattern of such violation. Exactly what you would expect from a corrupt justice department containing foolish people. Reminds me years ago of a Supreme in the Larry Flint case as I recall who does not know what constitutes porn but knows it when he sees it.

This troll thinks SCC is wasting brain energy on this report which is nothing but political stool. We all know what it is, why it was prepared, the outcome, the release and the anticipated response. You guys need a sharp lawyer on the FOP payroll to be your mouth piece to deal with all the shit politicians and purported community groups are constantly dumping on you.

BUT I think we can agree most people know shit when they see it and demonstrated their thinking buy giving Trump the White House. The problem is where you police, it remains solid blue and very stupid.

1/18/2017 06:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No concern for the violence in Chicago last night again on world Fox News o'reilly program another segment dedicated to chiraq seemingly everyday our failed out of control city is featured but again the police are to blame per the rahm crew:

1/18/2017 06:56:00 AM  
Blogger Tombstone courage said...

Reading McDonald's book right now. Quite effective rebuttal to a lot of criticism of police. Worth reading.

1/18/2017 07:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would be easy to figure out all these question>


all the documents gathered belonged to the city.

Officer have no right to protect any of the info.

FOP could file a FOIA for every relevant report. Now would DEAN (FOP 7)have any people who could actually comb through all these reports and actually come to some sort of conclusion? Doubtful. (maybe some of those non paying retirees can help)

Plus it gives the DOJ to show how open they are to people combing through their reports and looking for mistakes.

How much of the DOJ handwritten reports would be hidden and blacked out?
We can all see how transparent the FEDs are and learn from all that great knowledge the claim to have.

1/18/2017 07:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe in a week or so DOJ reports will start being written in an understandable and cohesive manner with references and about CRIMINALS!


1/18/2017 08:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and then they are forcing CAPS down our throats (good or bad I don't know) ... but that has nothing to do with constitutional violations ... seems strange, it that any business of the Feds???

1/18/2017 08:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heather McDOnald also wrote the article about blacks NOT being over represented in prison, despite what Obama has said

1/18/2017 08:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We don't need these anti-police people nothing but trash we finally have a "law and order" "Pro-Police" President Trump and an attorney general with the balls to protect the taxpayers,citizens,police and innocents great headline:

Trump shrugs off Dems' inauguration boycott: 'I hope they give me their tickets'

60+ demorats not showing up why do the law abiding need this cabal of disrespect anti-law enforcement anymore! Out of all of them really disappointed in danny lipinskihis area has many police and law abiding "Trump train" voters his father Bill lipinski would never do that, but then again a weak man like danny does stupid things just another panderer to the scum and thugs and illegal invaders, many in my neighborhood see the disrespect from danny will never vote for him again pathetic!

1/18/2017 08:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The DOJ mantra is: Statistical evidence?? We don't need no stinkin statistics or evidence for our reports since we already know the outcome.

Remember: All statistics (can be twisted) lie, and all statisticians are liars.

1/18/2017 09:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You forget one fact...................
the truth doesn't matter or sell papers or lead the 5pm news.

It is better that "news" outlets tell a story, doesn't need to be the truth... and later print a retraction for legal reasons.

If it doesn't bleed, it doesn't lead.

1/18/2017 10:48:00 AM  
Blogger SpankDaddy said...

No one from the DOJ gives a Shit about the truth.

1/18/2017 11:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Statistics ! We don't need no stinking statistics !

1/18/2017 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is this is the same report with an officer standing over a criminal putting the finishing shots in him?

1/18/2017 11:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Too bad for us that her work is not and will never be recognized by the radical Left, obama-lynchDOJ or any Democrat.
She doesn't subscribe to the theatrics and ideology of the obama social justice reform agenda.
Thinks are going to change.

High Noon - Friday 20 Jan 2016
Law and Order returns and Pandering Leaves.

Don't fall into the trap set by Rahm, he still runs the show here...
Stay Fetal.

1/18/2017 12:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The anti police agenda assholes never let truths, facts or figures get in their way.

1/18/2017 01:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, this whole DOJ thing seems like something that should be investigated by the DOG IG's office. Seems they misused funds doing a half assed job. Not to mention compensating (if they did this, but seems likely) folks/people who were interviewed.

1/18/2017 02:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The report is a glaring example of the Trickle Down Theory of Incompetence that began 8 years ago with Obama's inauguration. Very few bright shining lights in his administration; lots of duds.

1/18/2017 02:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(OT) look like the alderthiefs are salivating over another 17 million in improperly appropriated tax money to use but none for police:$17m-in-unclaimed-property-tax-rebates-to-help-stop-violence-/1708507/

Chicago crime on world news everyday get over it your all failures now resign!

1/18/2017 03:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Dean-O!

We are still waiting for your summary table on the 31 incidents where cops were fired upon!

C'mon, give us location, shooter, date... you know, facts.

1/18/2017 03:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another person that has sifted through the BS and is speaking common sense about the current state of police work is Adam Carolla, comedian, radio personality, etc. Give a listen to his podcast at, especially episodes 397, 487, and 491. He has some great riffs about what's going on with our dept. For someone that's all the way in LA, his opinions are spot on with what Chicago cops and cops nationally know is the reality. Plus, his thoughts about things like politicians, government waste, and education make lots of sense too.

1/18/2017 04:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(OT) more bad press but looking at everything looks like murder is correct call:

Thanks asshole 57 years old you could of retired! Another black eye for CPD!

1/18/2017 04:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

day will come when Heather Mac Donald is invited to capitol hill. hang in there. things will change for the better.

1/18/2017 04:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I'm retiring next month wit 47 staplers and 29 tape dispensers. Oh yeah 13 cases of paper."
Thanks chicago (1/17/2017 06:29:00 PM)

Thanks for the chuckle. Enjoy retirement as a Dunder-Mifflin salesman too.
(Btw...if you ever need toner, I have cartridges for both IBM and Xerox.)

1/18/2017 04:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think I could have been fired 1,986 times.

1/18/2017 11:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Obama held Rahm in such high esteem why would the DOJ write such a damning report?
Seems to defy logic?

1/19/2017 12:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Logic has never been any government strong point.


1/19/2017 09:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This quote from that article is probably the best I've ever read that calls out the statistics fairly. It should be boilerplate response:
"Here is the data that you will never find in any Justice Department civil rights report. In 2014, a thoroughly representative year, blacks made up 79 percent of all known non-fatal shooting suspects in Chicago, 85 percent of all known robbery suspects, and 77 percent of all known murder suspects, according to police department records. Whites were 1 percent of known non-fatal shooting suspects in 2014, 2.5 percent of known robbery suspects, and 5 percent of known murder suspects, the latter category being composed almost exclusively of domestic violence incidents. Whites are virtually absent from the population of violent street criminals, which is the population against which police force is most likely to be used. There is no evidence, in other words, that the use of force is racially biased."

1/19/2017 10:34:00 AM  

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