Saturday, February 25, 2017

Congrats ET's

There was a class of ten ET's made this week. It's long overdue as in many cases, we're waiting hours to get ET's to shooting scenes and there isn't even a Crime Lab to speak of that processes homicide scenes.

If the Department wasn't wasting time having fully trained ET's answering phones and never hit the streets, that shortage might be alleviated?

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67 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Waited over 4 hours for an ET to show up to a shooting a few weeks ago. It's ridiculous. About dam time.

2/25/2017 12:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sweet... Maybe that whopping 10 will loosen up that arrogant 5830... That guy is the definition at an asshat!
Now take my ET request and do your job instead of whining about it!

2/25/2017 12:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congrats Venezuela from 008 hoped I spelled your name right to lazy right now to look up the spelling... always thought you were a cool dude...also congrats to gardner from 004 glad you finally got the call old vet I smiled when I saw your name...maybe you gents can process my crime scenes.

2/25/2017 01:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's about money they spend it on bullshit

2/25/2017 02:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We have more inside D-2A and D-3 girls that sit in the office and do nothing. It's hard to knock Murphy personally, but he understands very little at running a unit. Check the A & As and see how many PFIs and ET work inside and never process crime scenes. The city should take the extra pay away.

2/25/2017 03:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had an ET tell me how to classify a crime. He stated make an Agg. Batt. I informed him it was a Robbery, so that takes precedence. He stood his ground training a new ET. Hey stupid ET - Robbery is above Agg. Batt. for reporting purposes. There is no floor on stupid.

2/25/2017 04:19:00 AM  
Blogger The Keesing Bandit said...

Long overdue.

2/25/2017 05:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Light duty PO's should be used for all these inside spots especially in the photo lab where their printing out photos like Walgreens. PFI's making Sgt's pay to do this....Unreal! You want the higher pay grade get your ass out on the street and do the job you were trained to do and signed up for!!!

2/25/2017 06:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That unit has been a badly mismanaged joke for so long it's ridiculous. Thought it would end when the lazy, clouted old guard retired, but apparently not so. Good luck to the new ETs. You'll need it. If you are workers, there's plenty of it for you. Don't let the dogass primadonnas corrupt you.

2/25/2017 06:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These E.T.'s have been on the street for a year or so already. Just smoke and mirrors folks. Also, 10 E.T's?...So what are you down now, 30, 40, 50?, and I'm betting MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2/25/2017 06:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The ET test now there's another scandal. The PFI that created it tutored people ...They were of course in the first class.

2/25/2017 06:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they are so short why only 10? Maybe another class soon then

2/25/2017 06:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didn't a new well connected female just go inside too - she had been there how long ?? She always seems to land in soft spots ... thanks to her asshat husband DH

2/25/2017 06:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who was promoted?

2/25/2017 07:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well then you have a big boy Sergeant J.C. who was a Rousell merit pick that does absolutely nothing as a lead .y example supervisor. Knows nothing about his job.

2/25/2017 07:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You need more forensic investigators.

2/25/2017 08:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This unit started the long road to mediocrity when Murphy was given the spot. He never liked the PFI's when he was a Det. Murphy abdicated most of his in house responsibility to another blowhard inside PFI . The LT who was only interested in pulling in Cpt pay and who was later launched played the same game with Murphy. They had Personnel cancel the PFI position, which continued to destroy morale and waste money on equipment we didn't need and don't use. Hide a dozen clouted PFI's, ET's and SGT's inside. Ten ET's (Good for them) Hope their ready to work because it's no picnic in this unit that pay raise you got isn't enough. You beat guys are still going to wait two hours for your ET. Thirty new ET's would have made a difference.

2/25/2017 08:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We have more inside D-2A and D-3 girls that sit in the office and do nothing. It's hard to knock Murphy personally, but he understands very little at running a unit. Check the A & As and see how many PFIs and ET work inside and never process crime scenes. The city should take the extra pay away.
2/25/2017 03:09:00 AM

While I agree that they have too many people inside, there is not one et making D-2A. And I also agree there shouldn't be a single pfi working the photo lab, evidence eval or the clown doing administration work who somehow makes more overtime than the street guys. Put all the pfi's back on the street or tell them to leave. To the new et's, congratulations and enjoy working for a useless commander, outdated equipment that only works half the time and cars that wouldn't pass an inspection in a third world country.

2/25/2017 08:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10? should have been 100.

2/25/2017 09:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How far down the list have they gone? It sure seems like they could of made more than ten.

2/25/2017 09:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Get Serious... said...

We Need a Hundred More.....

2/25/2017 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congrats Murphy.

2/25/2017 10:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm an ET and I have had the pleasure of listening to coppers ordering et's on a daily basis and more than 75% of those ordering don't have their shit together, ordering for complete bullshit and just have a mouth full of marbles. Don't knock the Sgt for calling u out on your bullshit. Get your shit together before u order and he won't call u out. Simple as that. And if wasn't for him, u would be waiting even longer for et's bc we are answering your bullshit processing of doors and doorknobs on burglaries.

2/25/2017 10:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sweet... Maybe that whopping 10 will loosen up that arrogant 5830... That guy is the definition at an asshat!
Now take my ET request and do your job instead of whining about it!
2/25/2017 12:41:00 AM

You should probably listen to what he has to say instead of criticizing him.

2/25/2017 11:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Need about 100 but ok

2/25/2017 11:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ten is a drop in the bucket. Should have been 25 additional techs with no more D2's doing Admin duty.
Inventory, reporting and the sometimes awful travel distance scene to scene takes up a lot of time.
Maybe Rahm's gift to the Police Dept, Sick'nTarredJughead Special Ed has a plan coming forth that will eliminate violent community crime, once and for all and there will be no more need for anymore future promotions.

Question that needs an answer from Special Ed:
Where's Rahm?

2/25/2017 12:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chief Boehmers girlfriend never hits the street . Actually she never comes to work and is carried. That's a fact.

2/25/2017 12:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These things are done on purpose. The powers that BE don't want these murders solved. They don't want the property crimes to stop. Why you ask? The crimes are majority blacks committing them. Talk about "RACIST" it is there in black and white statistics that repeat year after year. The msm only picks up on and adores blm and the idiotic left protests. They don't report on the real problems like raising the bar on arrests at the SA office, or no ET's to investigate crime and document it so that it can be solved, or that there are way too many people assigned to cush jobs while the streets are short 1,000's of officers. How about the fact that the jail is empty and they continue to let loose so called non-violent offenders. Don't blame the police, blame the msm, the elected officials, and anyone who didn't vote!

2/25/2017 12:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

We have more inside D-2A and D-3 girls that sit in the office and do nothing. It's hard to knock Murphy personally, but he understands very little at running a unit. Check the A & As and see how many PFIs and ET work inside and never process crime scenes. The city should take the extra pay away.

2/25/2017 03:09:00 AM
Don't forget also the huge mayors,city clerks,city treasurers detail all paid minimum D-3 and up to commanders pay while all are 9161 (patrolmen), rank and they get the pension of that rank! plus they are have multiple beautiful police vehicles assigned to the units and some get personal cars! Fire years ago stood up and eliminated the "gold braid bill" but yet we still allow the pigs at the trough to take huge pension dips come on Hauser put it to a vote that way you will no be blamed, highest civil service rank pension which is lieutenant no more draining the pension so many coppers are deserving and the clouted who should of been demoted for poor performance but were merely shuffled around are waiting to get that fat pension boost and of course as usual another 6 figure job!

On another important subject swat just got slapped in the media (What asshole is feeding the media the leak needs to be discovered and termination must be rendered)we all read the story all over the media by the grace of God it all turned out OK! Now why does swat not have take home police vehicles? With everything happening in this country it would be prudent to have swat officers who can respond to major incidents be able to expeditiously arrive at the location, but no the same as everyone else they are forced to wait in traffic in their own personal vehicles as the body count could rise astronomically! Was at 35th the other day though i was in new car lot, all the beautiful new vehicles how many are "secretaries" and receptionist vehicles? Most work Mon-fri days off weekends and holidays but have a shiny new police spec vehicle to cater their ass back and forth to work! Eddie we had faith in you for real change but as we have all observed really what have you done to improve conditions for your troops? Let me list some in order

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Darn it cannot think of any please feel free fill in the spaces!

2/25/2017 01:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Waited over 4 hours for an ET to show up to a shooting a few weeks ago. It's ridiculous. About dam time.
2/25/2017 12:20:00 AM


There are long wait times because people "want to get the ball rolling on the et" before they contacted the detectives. So the ET gets to the crime scene and waits for the detectives to decide what needs to be processed (most detectives like to see the scene for themselves before the et starts collecting evidence). Meanwhile the jobs keep rolling in....

Call the detectives first. They put in the request to have evidence worked up at the state lab. They talk to evidence evaluation. It's their case.

and yes, in the summer months, we can always use more ETs.

2/25/2017 01:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sweet... Maybe that whopping 10 will loosen up that arrogant 5830... That guy is the definition at an asshat!
Now take my ET request and do your job instead of whining about it!

2/25/2017 12:41:00 AM


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Maybe (just maybe) if you didn't order the impossible, came across CW2 with some respect to the dispatcher, and had ask the detectives if they even wanted an ET, you might get your request through. Just ordering an Et just to CYA isn't helping anyone. It creates a backlog. And that's why people wait hours for ETs even for more pressing jobs. Make a visual inspection. If there's nothing, there's nothing.

2/25/2017 01:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Way back in the day ETs were primarily for non serious crimes. Over time that has evolved to handling most serious crimes like homicide, police shootings, death investigation, multiple involved crime scene. At one time there were 60 Police Forensic Investigators and 120 Evidence Technicians city wide. Your happy with 10 new ETs, I am too. I bet ETs will be happy with more cars so they can get out of roll call and get to the job expeditiously. Digital cameras that work, I heard the cameras are at least 10 years old and are downed continuously. Oh yeah video cameras need up grading too. Who is the jagbag holding up the new equipment for the ETs? Headquarters on another note, get your own videographer out of headquarters to video protesters, patrol needs these ETs to process our crime scenes its going to be a bloodier year than previous.

2/25/2017 03:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just shut up and come process my scene, we are short everywhere! Stop whining and do your job, that or leave the unit and come back to patrol and show us how it's done!

2/25/2017 04:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congrats to the new ET's -- it's a great unit.

Wow -- all of this lambasting of ET's is ridiculous. In case you didn't notice, we're busy as Hell, going from one job to another. Some crime scenes take long to process, whereas others simply don't; simple as that. More often than not, we have a skeleton crew, many a time processing scenes on opposite ends of the city.

Hey, smartass with the D2A comment -- it's false. No ET in the unit gets D2A. FI's are getting D3, but they're being phased out by the city.
Don't blame 5830 for denying requests. It's Policing-101 in many cases -- you're the preliminary investigator, so think about it before making the request, and if you're Sgt forces you to make asinine requests, we have our Sgts to straighten it out.

Stay safe.

2/25/2017 04:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gee, and people wonder why its a constant snafu?
Look at you people - look at the disrespect and disdain you people treat each other with. Gee, it is almost like your superiors CREATE drama for you to fight and bicker about like Edith and Archie Bunker! How in the hell can you be arguing about something as basic as A then B then C? How is that not a STANDARD practice known to all? ANd HOW DARE you holier than though fruitloop office queens be tasked with working a door or its knob....at a burglary? Really? Too "beneath you" to like ahhhhh DO YOUR JOB? Just wow. Oh and about it being "his case" or "her case" or or or - ummmm it is the VICTIM's CASE you pompous jackwagons!

Enough with your territorial disputes, enough with your whiny wha wha attitude and enough with your better than everyone attitudes. You work for the VICTIMS, and you owe it to them to ACT LiKE IT - or have the guts to quite and find another job, where your "royal status" is properly entertained.

What a sorry ass display of what is supposed to be Honerable Service. Absolutely Pathetic.

2/25/2017 04:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well then you have a big boy Sergeant J.C. who was a Rousell merit pick that does absolutely nothing as a lead .y example supervisor. Knows nothing about his job.

Wow, Sad thing is, the person posting this is probably his "friend" and is a coward for turning the "bathroom wall" to talk shit, instead of to his face.

Actually he is well versed on the job he has, without ever having been an ET. I've worked with him since he got here and he's a good Sgt. Looks out for us, sticks up for us and does the right thing. If he was promoted by merit then they got one right. Take your jealousy somewhere else.

2/25/2017 04:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm an ET and I have had the pleasure of listening to coppers ordering et's on a daily basis and more than 75% of those ordering don't have their shit together, ordering for complete bullshit and just have a mouth full of marbles. Don't knock the Sgt for calling u out on your bullshit. Get your shit together before u order and he won't call u out. Simple as that. And if wasn't for him, u would be waiting even longer for et's bc we are answering your bullshit processing of doors and doorknobs on burglaries.

2/25/2017 10:34:00 AM


Thanks for the advice, superstar.
Now go back to sleep!

2/25/2017 06:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They need to put them back into the districts.

2/25/2017 06:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

an ET doesn't need a detective to tell him what to process
must mean the et's do not knowhow to read a crime scene

2/25/2017 06:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic, but interesting that a Tinley Park car dealer Mark Bettenhausen is able to hit the nail on the head:
"What we do know is these types of crimes are a direct result of a state without a budget for two years running, and a Mayor of the City of Chicago whose priorities of a crime solution is second to planting TREES with surplus dollars rather than HIRE more police personnel. Those decisions are a direct result of city crime filtering into Chicago’s suburbs of which we experienced last night."

2/25/2017 06:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some awful sensitive ET's in this thread.,.

2/25/2017 07:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this should make a huge dent. yeah right... plus the 142 sgts will barely make it to last years budgeted number. 1053 sgt listed now. currently budgeted for 1219. what's rahm doing with all the extra cash flow?

2/25/2017 07:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sweet... Maybe that whopping 10 will loosen up that arrogant 5830... That guy is the definition at an asshat!
Now take my ET request and do your job instead of whining about it!

2/25/2017 12:41:00 AM


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Maybe (just maybe) if you didn't order the impossible, came across CW2 with some respect to the dispatcher, and had ask the detectives if they even wanted an ET, you might get your request through. Just ordering an Et just to CYA isn't helping anyone. It creates a backlog. And that's why people wait hours for ETs even for more pressing jobs. Make a visual inspection. If there's nothing, there's nothing.

2/25/2017 01:53:00 PM

They are told to order the ET and have you deny it for burglaries. That's coming from the districts commanders via the D unit. You don't like it take it up with them, don't take it out on the coppers because your fat ass has to actually listen to the radio.

2/25/2017 07:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congrats To Salzy from 22 - great guy- will be a great ET

2/25/2017 07:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Got news for you, 11 evidence technicians isn't going to help for shit. That's about four per watch, not much of a presence with overlapping day off groups and those on days at a greater chance of being in court. We need about 11 more per watch, but then again we wouldn't have the cars or equipment to accommodate them anyway. Unit 277 is a fucking joke.

2/25/2017 09:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On another important subject swat just got slapped in the media (What asshole is feeding the media the leak needs to be discovered and termination must be rendered)

The leaks are vetted and approved the supts office and city halls. AG and FG from news affairs generally provide this info to the media, no secret here. Right now the spin is to "leak" any info regarding discipline to give the impression that the dept is hammering down.

2/25/2017 09:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2/25/2017 03:09:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I had an ET tell me how to classify a crime. He stated make an Agg. Batt. I informed him it was a Robbery, so that takes precedence. He stood his ground training a new ET. Hey stupid ET - Robbery is above Agg. Batt. for reporting purposes. There is no floor on stupid.

2/25/2017 04:19:00 AM

The ET gets Forensic Investigator/Sgt. pay for processing a scene when its classified as an Aggravated Battery, but not when its classified as a Robbery. Just an ET running a scam.

2/25/2017 10:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A class of ten. That should be a big help this coming summer. 10.

2/25/2017 11:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12 SWAT guys get a day for not clearing a building, and I get a day for not calling the medical section when I had the flu.... no wonder shit is so effed up with this department

2/26/2017 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

KC nice job good for you! It's gonna be a little bit slower than your usual pace.
Coming from an ole 011dist ranger!

2/26/2017 02:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Geesh only 10 new ETs when twe recently lost more than 10 to detectives and Sgt's promotions. It takes forever for an ET to respond, because several are working administratively just like in the D-Unit.

2/26/2017 06:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guy in my district suggested that sergeant's take photos of domestic battery victims instead of tying down E/Ts. Our commander laughed at him instead of taking the concern seriously. If they won't hire the number of E/Ts needed for effective crime investigation then why not look at alternative solutions?

Oh wait, I work for CPD. Never mind.

2/26/2017 09:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny. Department apologist that is clueless.

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There are long wait times because people "want to get the ball rolling on the et" before they contacted the detectives. So the ET gets to the crime scene and waits for the detectives to decide what needs to be processed (most detectives like to see the scene for themselves before the et starts collecting evidence). Meanwhile the jobs keep rolling in....

Call the detectives first. They put in the request to have evidence worked up at the state lab. They talk to evidence evaluation. It's their case.

and yes, in the summer months, we can always use more ETs.

2/26/2017 09:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've never had a bad experience with an ET. They are usually pretty cheery (quirky most of the time! Lol) but solid people. The back log does suck but I know it's not their fault. Some of these guys/gals are coming from 004 to process a scene in like 016. Ten is an ok start but 15-25 more would be a much better change. How old is this list by the way?

2/26/2017 09:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is the list of the e/t's who made it. Please post.

2/26/2017 11:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, Swat guys get a day for not clearing a house properly, well I was an HBT guy for 25 years and the SWAT guys now are just plain overworked, fact, there are more jobs being called by inexperienced Sgts.a d Lts. There is a certain protocol to follow and alot of times the Sort cars respond and the job gets cancelled. The mayor has this money so spend it on take home cars for all SWAT MEMBERS, buy 1 more light truck because they are wearing out the 1 light truck, no time for it to be reoaired. Jonathon Lewis is sitting on a ton of new radios and other equipment. I'm glad there was a secondary search done and found offenders hiding. But Noel Sanchez was a flat out PRICK on ratting the SWAT Team. It could have been handled internally.

2/26/2017 12:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No ET of FI should be assigned to clerical work
What age is mandatory retirement ?

2/26/2017 01:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you need big 11th or 19th ward clout to get it

2/26/2017 02:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
12 SWAT guys get a day for not clearing a building, and I get a day for not calling the medical section when I had the flu.... no wonder shit is so effed up with this department

2/26/2017 12:46:00 AM

That was an error that placed a lot of lives in danger. Inexcusable!!

2/26/2017 04:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2/25/2017 04:19:00 AM

The ET gets Forensic Investigator/Sgt. pay for processing a scene when its classified as an Aggravated Battery, but not when its classified as a Robbery. Just an ET running a scam.



False. ET's get paid D3 on Homicides and police-involved shootings.

2/26/2017 07:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was nice to see SWAT's Lt get a cr number on the team after learning the mess up that could have gone very wrong. I applaud him. Great job.

2/26/2017 08:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm an ET and I have had the pleasure of listening to coppers ordering et's on a daily basis and more than 75% of those ordering don't have their shit together, ordering for complete bullshit and just have a mouth full of marbles. Don't knock the Sgt for calling u out on your bullshit. Get your shit together before u order and he won't call u out. Simple as that. And if wasn't for him, u would be waiting even longer for et's bc we are answering your bullshit processing of doors and doorknobs on burglaries.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
When the Area RBT make the annual trips to us lowly bumpkins in DLE roll call, they consistently say "Just order the ET to your burglary and let them determine what to process. There is no such thing as 'The scene has been contaminated.'" That being said, as a supervisor, I am perfectly in agreement with my officers not ordering an ET for a minor burglary for photos of a split door frame and no known surfaces from which to lift.

2/27/2017 10:49:00 AM  
Blogger patrick doyle said...

I'm sorry to read the comment about beat 5830 being an ass hat. that's an unfair comment to make if you don't know the man.In my 32 years of service I have not worked for a better supervisor.If he was assigned a to a unit in hell I would follow him as would others in unit 277!

2/27/2017 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ET's just won a grievance to get paid out of grade for homicides and police shootings. They haven't been paid that for the last 2 years and still have bosses refusing to sign out of grade when the victim dies after their shift ends....total BS!

2/27/2017 01:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Or, any Chicagoland dealer with an ounce of sense, could simply hire ARMED overnight security for their fuckin dealership. For gawdsake, it's only one shift.
This shit aint that hard to stop.
Jeezus!!!

To: 2/25/2017 06:57:00 PM

2/27/2017 03:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sgt's Det's or PO's should not be taking pictures or process any evidence for ET's. CPD needs to adequately man units so that they can function properly. This department always wants to do this gs on the cheap and it results I extremely low clearance rates. somebody at 35the street needs to grow some balls and de.and that we start staffing these units the Detective Division and Patrol properly. They expect us to do our jobs properly, professionally and I an expedient manner but they don't gives us the equipment manpower or training to do so. Every member of this department should take as much time as is necessary to do their assignment correctly and thoroughly. If you rush or cut corners you will suffer the consequences

2/27/2017 05:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sorry to read the comment about beat 5830 being an ass hat. that's an unfair comment to make if you don't know the man.In my 32 years of service I have not worked for a better supervisor.If he was assigned a to a unit in hell I would follow him as would others in unit 277!
2/27/2017 11:46:00 AM

It's unfair to believe that someone is a jagoff if they present themselves as a jagoff?

What are you momma? He acts like a jagoff, people think he is a jagoff. You like him good for you, he's a fuckhead to everyone else so they think accordingly.

2/28/2017 06:56:00 AM  

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