Sunday, March 12, 2017

Combining Departments?

  • The long-simmering City Council debate over whether to arm aviation security officers can be resolved by making them part of the Chicago Police Department, a chief proponent said Wednesday.

    Ald. Chris Taliaferro (29th), whose ordinance authorizing aviation security officer to carry weapons is languishing in a committee, embraced the idea tossed out by Finance Committee Chairman Edward Burke (14th) during a recent closed-door meeting with Aviation Commissioner Ginger Evans.

    “Incorporation of aviation security officers into the Chicago Police Department at a lesser level than that of a police officer. By doing that, they would be recognized by the Chicago Police Department and armed without any additional training. That’s an excellent approach,” Taliaferro, a former Chicago Police officer, said Wednesday.

    “It’s very similar to what’s been done with the Illinois Secretary of State police. They all carry the Illinois State Police patch. They’re police officers and armed, but they’ve been assimilated into the Illinois State Police without the same degree of being an Illinois state trooper.”
It better not affect seniority.

Burke would hate to surrender any sort of control he has over the airports - which is considerable. But with the necessity of having armed personnel beyond the checkpoints and the alleged scandals brewing within the Department of Aviation, this might be an option.

This however, is unacceptable just in terms of public safety:
  • Zalewski noted that the jobs of 42 of the 171 Chicago Police officers authorized to be at O’Hare are vacant. Midway has 131 authorized police officers and 40 vacancies, he said.
Nearly a third of the manpower unfilled - seems perfectly safe!

We would speculate that this is, yet again, another circumvention of the Contract which is supposed to be 50/50 in terms of Management/Bid. Someone said there were recent management moves to one/both of the airports without a matching number of bid spots. That would be something the FOP ought to be keeping an eye on, but with Silent Dean at the helm, who knows what shenanigans are going on behind the scenes.

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84 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOP needs to do their job. Mass Transit also has had its last 30 officers come via management and hasnt had a PO bid their in at least 5 years.

3/12/2017 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Refresh my memory...when they disbanded CHA Police, they didn't absorb those guys, did they? I don't remember.

3/12/2017 01:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who sponsors, who is in charge, who are they that stand to wet their beaks if this authorization passes?

3/12/2017 01:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All of you with stars in the 11000 series of numbers were once assigned to the Park District Police. When the Park District Police and CPD combined they added 11000 to the Park District star numbers for their new CPD stars. Colloquially, these were known as 'thieves stars' by the regular CPD at the time. Back then, that was truly a case of the pot calling the kettle black! But hey, times change.

3/12/2017 01:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dean? Plzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. He's only concerned about keeping that Fop take home car

3/12/2017 01:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They should wear white hats like traffic back in the day and have a different badge.

3/12/2017 01:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will this include pensions from our pension fund?

3/12/2017 03:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IL Secretary of State Police are still a separate agency from the Illinois State Police. Yet another aldercreature pulling wrong "facts" out his ass.

3/12/2017 04:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck Burke he got us in this mess all he wants is money and fuck FOP

3/12/2017 05:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CPD absorbed the Park District Police (the 11000 series of star numbers) in the late 1950's, but the CTA Police (early 1980's ?) and the CHA Police (late 1990's ?) were not absorbed, although some members of both the CTA Police and the CHA Police became CPD members as a result of their individual efforts, the same as the efforts, to become members, of all other modern day members of CPD.

3/12/2017 05:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There goes another way for Rahm to say he "hired" ~140 PO's

3/12/2017 05:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thats one way to get the number up, on paper anyway. Fill the vacant spots with real police or would they be someones favorite clout baby? Why do you guys bust your ass and watch the clouted steal from the pension for life? A thief is a thief with or without a badge.

3/12/2017 05:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What does that mean for the retired police officers working as aviation police at the airports ~ are they police officers again?!

3/12/2017 06:42:00 AM  
Blogger Jack Trumpblood said...

The CHA guys were simply fired. Just arm these guys and get it over with.

3/12/2017 07:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From Silent Dean's FB page:
(now he's concerned about spending money? What about the gold shoe giveaway?)



Dean Angelo Sr.
16 hrs ·

Due to the fact that the office of President was flooded with a total of "6" candidates, a run-off election (costing the Membership $100,000) is now necessary. Because of the multitude of critical issues facing Lodge 7 over the next 3 years, it is important that our Members hear from both candidates in a face-to-face forum. This would be the best venue to show the Members who each candidate is, what they bring to the table and how they will go about best representing the women and men of the Lodge.
I submit to everyone to share this post so that it reaches as many Members as electronically possible and as a means of pressing the issue at hand.
The times ahead are going to be tough for our Officers. If you want to sit in this seat, now is the time to show the Members what they will be voting for. Now is not the time to hide behind anonymous posts or blatant lies.
I am easy to reach and look forward to having this opportunity. Time is of the essence, so the sooner we can get this done, the better for everyone involved.
Dean C. Angelo, Sr.
President
Fraternal Order of Police
Chicago Lodge 7

3/12/2017 07:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Should put them all back to security guard, like they were originally at the airports, along with a reduction in pay, and a different badge that doesn't say "Police" on it. $80K a year is far too much for what they do. Could get away with $40K yr. Get rid of any that are over 63. Could save a ton of money, and not get that shit show of a department's problems on our job. Let them play weekend Police in Summit like they do now off duty.
Want to get rid of them? Run them through a good background check, a psych and poly.

3/12/2017 08:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CHA was not absorbed into CPD

3/12/2017 08:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Silent and possibly soon to be 63 and retired Dean needs to go. We don't want a silent retiree as our president shoving another terrible contract down our throats. When's the last time he went to a 911 call? No way!!! Voting Kevin Graham

3/12/2017 08:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well then they would have to fire any Avia tion Police who is 63 and older, state law mandates mandatory retirement, I was forced out at 63. I see lawsuits and cash.

3/12/2017 08:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aviation Uniform, Black Top Hats, Green Shirts, and Pink Pants.

They will be easy to spot.

This whole idea is Very Bad, almost half of those people are merit picks that can barely do anything. If you are connected, you can go from officer to Sgt. in a few days. Test? lol Make them armed guards from a private security outfit and let that outfit pay the price and risks of their employment.

Just sayin.....

3/12/2017 08:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why worry about the Aviation Security? They are not in your pension and they are stuck working a 6-2 schedule and make considerable less than you guys.

3/12/2017 08:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most are around 67 years old. Too old for the Chicago Police. Where is Ed Burke going to put these loyal democrates if not the dept of Aviation.?

3/12/2017 08:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We don't want nobody, nobody sent!

3/12/2017 08:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burke must get a cut of the cash or it's a no go

3/12/2017 09:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The park district police will be filled with crooked Rahm and Kelly's patronage workers.

3/12/2017 09:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some aviation police were fired from CPD. Most supervisors are strictly clout babies or friends of someone at the airport

3/12/2017 09:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Refresh my memory...when they disbanded CHA Police, they didn't absorb those guys, did they? I don't remember.

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No CHA police weren't absorbed for many reasons seniority issue being a major one. But also the fact that the money was from the Fed.

3/12/2017 09:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PROBLEM:

I believe they have many Aviation Officers who are over age 63.

3/12/2017 09:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Depended if you were absorbed or not with the park district and CHA. I seem to remember CHA being entirely absorbed while Janey just fired the Parks. I was a kid I dont remember. Not only did we lose an awful lot at O'Hare in the last year but we lost some of our best, guys with a lot of street experience and very good with firearms. Including our firearms trainer. I think we'd be in deep shit if anything happened at O'Hare. Myself and others going by June.

3/12/2017 10:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Armed officers in a crowded airport is scary. Pepper spray and a taser sound better.

3/12/2017 10:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When the CHA PD was folded those officer were not folded into CPD. They were dumped on the street. Some came on CPD but it was through the hiring process. Many did not make it. That was a bone of contention among some.

As for seniority: They would be the same as a new hire from another department. Hit the academy, seniority day 1.

Plus a lot of the Aviation Police are retired Chicago,and are too old to be on Chicago any more anyway.

"and no additional training"??????
In light of the scathing DOJ report, training (lack of) was THE most if not only valid point of the report.

Additional training if for no other reason than liability.

3/12/2017 10:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nothing is going to change...Aviation police will only patrol inside the airport... no duties outside of the airport: no burglary reports, no traffic accidents... none of that... nothing will change.. they will just be armed and come under the supervision of the Chicago Police Department. No pensions are going to interfere with CPD pensions

3/12/2017 11:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Partially correct 3/12/17, 01:41am regarding the Chicago Park District Police absorbing into the "regular" CPD in 1961. The Park District PD were trained alongside CPD recruits and assignments were distributed before graduation from the old academy on O'Brien st. Back then the assignments were given to the Park District PD via "the open draw policy". In 1961, the absorption was easy due to both departments being given the same training and policies (General Orders). The same holds true regarding the old Chicago Housing Authority Police (CHAPD) which were in operation from 1989 to 1999. Again both departments were given the same training (and not metro training) and followed the same policies with the promise of absorbing both departments. In 1999, due to politics, the CHAPD disbanded suddenly. There are many ex-CHA coppers on this job who can tell you of the false truths which were given to them by CPD former command staff of absorbing both departments. Let’s hope that the Aviation Police doesn’t have to go through the same political channels as the old Housing police.

3/12/2017 11:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Terrible if they are let into the pension fund. All of their years of paying into a different fund and now we take on their burden. Not good.

3/12/2017 12:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We should do it. We need more exempt positions. Hell, make it a separate Bureau - Chief, Deputy Chief, and a couple Commanders too.

3/12/2017 12:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bring Malone back

3/12/2017 12:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No need to fill the bids at Midway. Waller will just continue to fill the vacancies with know it all clout babies

3/12/2017 12:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Ill Secretary of State Police(Investigators) have no connection at all with the State Police, they don't wear the same badge(star) nor the same patch. Shows this guy knows not what he is talking about.

3/12/2017 12:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My Grandfather William Kelly came on the Park Police in the twenties only job open to the Irish and when he tried to get on CPD he had to see a. Sgt who happened to be from County Cork and wanted 500.00 cash to take care of things. Granpa being a Limerick Man told him to pound sand . He died of TB at 36 years old a Park Policeman.God Bless the Irish. Jim Kelly Ret CPD.

3/12/2017 12:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The city can bank management spots.

3/12/2017 01:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Bids retire after 5-7 years on average the Managements stay for 20 yrs or more. With that, its really 80% Management spots and 20% Bids.
Don't think there will be any combining APD and more like a downsizing of CPD per hack-Talifierio, always a company man.
Does Rahm want to eliminate the excessive security budget to favor the airlines unwillingness to accept his high priced plan to overhaul the terminals?
Low manpower at the airports is supplemented with overtime, more with less.
Airport Clueless Commish is satisfied with the levels of the run n' hide security.
Fact, Aviation is due for new hires according to the city budget.
Ohare is supposed to move the CPD building for airport expansion.

Someone made a good point last week that pulling CPD out would only add to the City CPD Budget since Ohare/Midway are paid from Airport Budget. But Aviation has their own separate Budget.

But what does Rahm think?
Does he increase the "not so public interesting" Aviation Budget or returns 200 POs & Sgts to the street "that will have a positive community impact", now that CPD already factored those 200 bodies into the 2017-18 budget?

What becomes of the millions the airlines pay CPD?
(Hint: Saving airlines $$$ goes towards expansion and infrasturure projects that the airlines are balking about.)
If Burke snubbed the plan then something about it would effect his financial interests at the airport at this time.

Nobody cares aboutTaliferio, he's an idiot and will side with whatever Rahm's pandering protocol calls for.
So looking at the airport manpower demographics could tell which option could Rahm would lean.
Lots of privilege and little opportunity.

3/12/2017 01:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He's wrong the Illinois Secretary of State Police is its own entity and has always been. Do your research before pushing out your crappy ideas.

3/12/2017 01:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3/12/2017 07:39:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
From Silent Dean's FB page:
(now he's concerned about spending money? What about the gold shoe giveaway?)



Dean Angelo Sr.
16 hrs ·

Due to the fact that the office of President was flooded with a total of "6" candidates, a run-off election (costing the Membership $100,000) is now necessary. Because of the multitude of critical issues facing Lodge 7 over the next 3 years, it is important that our Members hear from both candidates in a face-to-face forum. This would be the best venue to show the Members who each candidate is, what they bring to the table and how they will go about best representing the women and men of the Lodge.
I submit to everyone to share this post so that it reaches as many Members as electronically possible and as a means of pressing the issue at hand.
The times ahead are going to be tough for our Officers. If you want to sit in this seat, now is the time to show the Members what they will be voting for. Now is not the time to hide behind anonymous posts or blatant lies.
I am easy to reach and look forward to having this opportunity. Time is of the essence, so the sooner we can get this done, the better for everyone involved.
Dean C. Angelo, Sr.
President
Fraternal Order of Police
Chicago Lodge 7

3/12/2017 07:49:00 AM
So Dean your talking about a debate you vs graham? Now your talking kid where and when?

3/12/2017 02:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aviation POLICE AINT in the FOP!

teamsters...

Do you actually think the teamsters want to disband and give up money so their guys become the police!

And if we absorb them shouldn't everyone city wide get a chance to bid for those spots?
By seniority?

And what about all those guys who can't pass a power test?

And do they then ask for a pay bump since they will consider themselves real police?

The city can call them special police and leave it at that with no pay bump. If they were qualified to be police they leave anyway for other departments they have no leverage.

3/12/2017 02:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blogger Jack Trumpblood said...

The CHA guys were simply fired. Just arm these guys and get it over with.

3/12/2017 07:39:00 AM

The clouted ones were promptly hired as commanders with Cicero PD.

3/12/2017 02:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nonymous said...
He's wrong the Illinois Secretary of State Police is its own entity and has always been. Do your research before pushing out your crappy ideas.

3/12/2017 01:39:00 PM

Yes, you are correct. They are separate and always have been, the same as police at the state's universities, they are separate but have state police authoriity. But, on another note, what a hack department they have always been. Loaded with patronage and incompetence.

3/12/2017 03:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Armed officers in a crowded airport is scary. Pepper spray and a taser sound better.

3/12/2017 10:45:00 AM
Spoken like a person who's never seen pepper spray or taser failures up close.

3/12/2017 03:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

a lot of rumors regarding the airport police. But, I can safely say that after living a lifetime in Chicago and Cook County, what is best for the political class will win out, not what is best for the officers or the citizens. I recall the CTA cops. They were the best and kept crime down on the CTA, those and the old Park District Police. They were both disbanded and their duties taken over by CPD. Well, guess what. The enforcement of laws on both the CTA and the parks went straight into the toilet. The bosses could care less about crime there unless something hits the papers. The officers assigned to the CTA unit, especially the tact teams dogged it every change they had. The tact guys? a party unit. One arrest and done for the night.

3/12/2017 03:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most aviation police are CPD rejects who didn't or can't pass all the testing to get on the job. Granted they have a few good people but most of them are there because they are connected. They have a few that also work at Summit PD and other Summit liquor establishments as security or bouncers. Yes, they are trained just as well as we are and some are probably trained better since aviation sends some of them to the Cook County Sheriff's police academy. But yeah.. we are probably better off not having them as partners on real jobs.

CHA officers got shafted. Some went to other departments such as Cook County Hospital police/security. Others got on the job the old fashioned way.

3/12/2017 03:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ironically, if police arrested those who are violating the individual enumerated right of the people to keep and bear arms, then this wouldn't be any problem of any kind. Those who would want to be armed would be, as an exercise of their own right.
Here is a thought, maybe we ought try that out and see how well it works!

3/12/2017 03:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm conflicted on this one. Have you ever seen who and what works for DOA Police??

3/12/2017 04:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Send everyone of those police back to the district's.

3/12/2017 05:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That alderman is an idiot. It wasn't the Secretary of State Police that ISP absorbed. It was the old CMS Police

3/12/2017 05:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FLOP let the City take Loop Traffic, Intersection Control, decimate the detail unit that covered the sports games. Weak leadership for the past 3 FLOP administrations.

3/12/2017 05:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At the same time they're arming them, perhaps they can clear out some of the political hack deadwood employees that have been working there forever.

I was never less impressed with any security force than I was when I worked at O'Hare for a couple of years. I doubt things have improved that much.

3/12/2017 05:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are a lot of nervous bosses in the Aviation Police now they know we have their racist roll calls recorded. It's not a crime to be black in an airport.

3/12/2017 06:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
No need to fill the bids at Midway. Waller will just continue to fill the vacancies with know it all clout babies

3/12/2017 12:19:00 PM

We are a very transparent department.

3/12/2017 06:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Armed officers in a crowded airport is scary. Pepper spray and a taser sound better.

3/12/2017 10:45:00 AM

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An armed offender with no armed police sounds scarier.

3/12/2017 06:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Armed officers in a crowded airport is scary. Pepper spray and a taser sound better.

3/12/2017 10:45:00 AM

So CPD should check their weapons and just depend on pepper spray and tasers. ASSHAT.

3/12/2017 08:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no do not merge aviation police with cpd
let the private security company that replaces aviation police , hire the best

3/12/2017 08:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all those who are argue CPD is so perfect compared to everyone else. Can Aviation pass the power test. They did when they went through the Academy. Can half of us on CPD pass the power test today. Aviation has to be printed and pass a federal background check. Give them a psych test like you got on CPD. That sure weeded out a bunch of nuts on CPD who have been fired and arrested. Aviation police don't deserve $80,000 salary. Neither do half the desk dollies and those who are security specialists who are bodyguards and don't do shit. So how about instead of judging those not on CPD, we look at our own house. All those with the asinine comments are breaking quite a few windows on our glass house.

3/12/2017 08:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
There are a lot of nervous bosses in the Aviation Police now they know we have their racist roll calls recorded. It's not a crime to be black in an airport.

3/12/2017 06:09:00 PM
What about the former CPD aviation pd lieutenant who looks like Barney fife owned how many McDonald's restaurants and is old as dirt can't give it up! Disgraceful news where's my cane?

3/12/2017 09:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"FLOP let the City take Loop Traffic, Intersection Control, decimate the detail unit that covered the sports games. Weak leadership for the past 3 FLOP administrations.

3/12/2017 05:15:00 PM"

But The Mounted Unit Officers can take Summer Furlough.FLOP Fights for what matters most, that's why Deano is in a Runoff.

3/12/2017 10:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

where are the budgeted $$$$ for police officers at airports being spent ?

3/12/2017 10:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just as an FYI... The Secretary of State Police are not part of the Illinois State Police. Neither is the Illinois Conservation Police or the Illinois Commerce Commission Police. All separate agencies with different commands and structure. None of those agencies report to the ISP. Someone should inform the man he is...um...WRONG.

3/12/2017 11:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Aviation POLICE AINT in the FOP!

teamsters...


Um...No. Aviation PD are NOT Teamsters.

They are SEIU 73. Same union that Crossing Guards are in. Same Union that Traffic Aides and Detention Aides are in. Same union that the Parking Enforcement Aides are in. Same union that Animal Control are in. Unit II even covers the dispatchers as I recall.

3/13/2017 01:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also:

1. They had to pass the POWER test to get the job.
2. They are State Certified LEO.

3/13/2017 01:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
PROBLEM:

I believe they have many Aviation Officers who are over age 63.
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Most of those are the Part Timers that Had to have been a LEO before they could get the job.
The Full timers that are at or pushing 63 are the White Shirts.

The majority of the SEIU APD don't stay long if they don't have to. They were hiring 26 back in 2015...and they are probably going to be looking for another 20 or so this year due to that crop hitting their 2 year minimum and looking to lateral anywhere the hell else than Chicago.
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Anonymous said...
Why worry about the Aviation Security? They are not in your pension and they are stuck working a 6-2 schedule and make considerable less than you guys.

3/12/2017 08:48:00 AM
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46k to start.



3/13/2017 01:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is not Aviation Police officers that are any type of problem the problem is just the same as we have a Chicago police department it is their command staff the bosses that have absolutely no business being the boss of anyone they cannot even properly supervise streetwise vendors that one time we're all over the city of Chicago streets. The thing even more stranger is even though aviation police officers have the same training similarities as the Chicago Police Department and they have to qualify with their weapon one time per year as Chicago police still and the commissioner of aviation ginger Evans was told by the alderman basically to arm Aviation Police they are the police like it or not they should be armed if it incident happens at anyone of our airports it is going to be problematic and The bloodshed will be on their hands. With people that are intent on doing harm on the innocent people much better to have police officers that are not told to run and hide but are told to engage the enemy and not arming the Aviation Police is criminal the people responsible are the elected who are now telling ginger evans to do the right thing and arm the aviation police. If the aviation commissioner cannot do her job she needs immediately to be removed and replaced another failed higher for the city of Chicago another overpay political position that the person and it has no clue how to protect the traveling public properly it is simple as that.

Another thing about the Aviation Police something to think about they drive around outside of the protected areas in the airports you see him driving when you're going to the airports driving to vehicles marked aviation Police which easily tells a potential threat that the police are in the vehicle and police officers are arms correct? So not only is the general public in potential danger but the officers that are driving around and also the officers that are Aviation Police that are on the nine secure side of the airport are in jeopardy when you have a Badge and wearing a patch that says police officer it indicates clearly to the public into the criminals that you are a police officer and are willing to and ready to take an action to save a life to prevent Mayhem and carnage to the best of your ability at Chicago's airport. This is national news cnn and other national news media has been reporting on this for a long time now yet these officers have not been given the ability to protect us and them selves this needs to be done now again if the aviation commissioner can I do her job she needs to find other employment right away.

3/13/2017 06:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why are you worried about the Aviation Police being armed, have you never been to both of our airports to see the CPD OFFICERS who run and hide when somebody asks a question, when I worked Special out at O'HARE the coppers assigned out there would get upset when I requested they assist a citizen, one extra large po. Told me I was not his Sergeant so he didn't need to deal with me. WRONG. THEY COULD USE A COURSE IN HELPING OUT

3/13/2017 08:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Depended if you were absorbed or not with the park district and CHA. I seem to remember CHA being entirely absorbed while Janey just fired the Parks. I was a kid I dont remember. Not only did we lose an awful lot at O'Hare in the last year but we lost some of our best, guys with a lot of street experience and very good with firearms. Including our firearms trainer. I think we'd be in deep shit if anything happened at O'Hare. Myself and others going by June.

3/12/2017 10:21:00 AM
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CHA Police were never absorbed into CPD. They let their numbers dwindle to about 250, then abolished the department. And Park District Police were absorbed into CPD in 1958 (Hence our stars went to 5 point stars from the old 6 point "pie plate" stars. Jane Byrne had nothing to do with it, as she was about 10 tears old when it happened. And Sec. of State Police were never a part of the ISP. Just as Commerce Commission and Conservation Police aren't part of ISP. They are their own separate entities.

The City made Aviation a total shit show hiring many clout people that couldn't get on CPD and a bunch of people that were fired by CPD and some of the shit suburbs. Make aviation either security guards or community service officers or police aids at the airports. They ARE NOT trained as well as CPD, went to the abbreviated Metro (suburban) Academy, had absolutely NO FTO. Never worked the street at all. Their after academy training consists of "Know your keys," and learn where the terminals / restaurants at the airports are.
Instead of running around and going to the press with the "We don't have guns" wah, wah, crap, and just kicking back and accepting the job for what it is...Highest paid security there is ($80K), with academy training and a Police star, this will bite them in the ass. Instead of guns, they might have no job when it's over
Believe me, they ain't ready for prime time.

3/13/2017 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Also:

1. They had to pass the POWER test to get the job.
2. They are State Certified LEO.
3/13/2017 01:21:00 AM

#1 they were passed by their chinaman

#2 if you get your job due to illicit means that paper is worthless

3/13/2017 09:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is a fresh idea.How about get rid of DOA political hacks and have a REAL hiring practice that screens and hires qualified people....I know that is asking a lot in Illinois.

3/13/2017 09:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Should put them all back to security guard, like they were originally at the airports, along with a reduction in pay, and a different badge that doesn't say "Police" on it. $80K a year is far too much for what they do. Could get away with $40K yr. Get rid of any that are over 63. Could save a ton of money, and not get that shit show of a department's problems on our job. Let them play weekend Police in Summit like they do now off duty.
Want to get rid of them? Run them through a good background check, a psych and poly.

3/12/2017 08:02:00 AM
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They also play part time police in departments that should be disbanded via federal investigation, like Harvey, Stone Park, Cook County Hospital "police", and Robbins. Which is where a lot of the CHA-CHAs went when they were disbanded. CHA was not absorbed by CPD.

Some CHA hacks went to Cicero, where "commanders" went through the online academy sponsored by places like community college police. They have no police experience and have never been the police in their lives. Don't tell them that though.

If any aviation SECURITY (because that's what they are) work for Summit part time, good for them. Summit is at least a legit department and they can learn a few things.

Also those going either way about the backgrounds need to be realistic. First of all, a "federal fingerprint background" only shows whether you've been arrested or printed. Not whether you've led a clean life. And for those claiming that the CPD background is so much better: have you seen some of the people we work with? The fact is, even the most thorough backgrounds let scum through. Or people turn into dirtbags after they get the job. I'm not saying that backgrounds are unnecessary, just that comparing what different departments do and arguing over whose is best is a time wasted. Also, everyone knows that polygraphs are total BS and should be done away with. They are borderline criminal. They're not even court admissible.

As far as POWER tests go: every department should make its members pass the test annually. The union has fought this forever. I blame the union for every cop who has a heart attack by 50, which is probably 25% of CPD. If you want to be a cop, be in shape to be a cop. The POWER test is a joke anyway. Non-cops can pass this in their sleep, why is our department so out of shape? It's embarrassing f every time I turn on the news. I see 30 year olds who are deathly obese. Men and women. Get a handle on your health brothers and sisters.

The aviation police will not be absorbed by CPD. If anything they will be disbanded like CHA and try for other departments - or go back to delivering pizza. Do you think the mighty SEIU union that represents janitors and ticket jockeys is going to force the CPD to absorb aviation security? Please. How would they calculate seniority, pension, etc? It's just not possible. Welcome to the free market economy of employment at will, where people can simply lose their jobs for an assortment of reasons and have to find gainful employment. Those outside CPD call this "the real world".

3/13/2017 09:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There are a lot of nervous bosses in the Aviation Police now they know we have their racist roll calls recorded. It's not a crime to be black in an airport.

3/12/2017 06:09:00 PM
What about the former CPD aviation pd lieutenant who looks like Barney fife owned how many McDonald's restaurants and is old as dirt can't give it up! Disgraceful news where's my cane?
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That guy is a retired CPD Sgt who ran the academy in the early 1990s.

I agree- as old as dirt, rich beyond your wildest dreams, and can't give it up.

3/13/2017 10:22:00 AM  
Blogger Jack Trumpblood said...

Yo Deano---if you wouldn't have sucked so badly, there wouldn't have been a need to "flood" the field with six candidates.

3/13/2017 11:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12MAR @ 4:53hrs. You're correct. The SOS Police are still an independent agency. What the AlderIdiot/Ex IAD Sgt. was referring to is the old Central Management Services Police (CMS) They were responsible for the state of Illinois Building [Thompson Center], the IL Psychiatric Center and other state facilities. Blago merged them as a economic move. One of their more illustrious Chiefs was the immortal LeRoy Martin. The ISP were not happy with the merge. They were re-named as Executive protection and put the officers in grey trooper uniforms with different emblems on their squads.
If the all knowing IAD veteran is curious, he should merely waddle over to the Thompson Center and notice that their uniforms, and functions, are distinct from a State Trooper.
The sad part of this debate over the DOA PD is that Rahm's main concern is his poor image on CNN reports covering the only unarmed airport police agency in the country.

Retired .38 spl +P

3/13/2017 12:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey I heard Dean and Kevin are debating tomorrow and it gonna take place at 6;00 can someone tell me if this shit is true> If so I will be the first in line. Has anyone heard this. Tried calling FOP but it was closed.

3/13/2017 05:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why are you worried about the Aviation Police being armed, have you never been to both of our airports to see the CPD OFFICERS who run and hide when somebody asks a question,

That would be "Lurch" aka R.C. 6 foot and afraid of her own shadow.

3/13/2017 06:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sgt Jasch is the guy that owned two McDonald's. Went through a bad divorcee ..... Give me a break!

3/13/2017 09:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting commentary but a few things that need clarification. While working at the Dept of Aviation, I was told the main responsibilities of the position were to ensure the integrity of the airfields at Ohare and Midway Airports. During the time I was there (7 and half years), there was not one incident that would have justified the use of deadly force. For all the crowing about being the real police, the activity generated by the Aviation Police would be shame sheeted at a CPD roll call. Estimates put about 180,000 passengers in the terminals at Ohare on a daily basis, during holidays like Christmas and Thanksgiving those numbers go up to nearly 250,000 daily. Imagine a weapon discharged in the terminals, or for that matter on the airfield where there are almost 3000 flights in and out daily. What do you suppose the chances of hitting something or someone by accident? Someone pointed out there's a lot of retired CPD working at the Aviation police. Are they forced to retire at 63, hell most of them didn't come on until after they reached that age. All this gun bullshit comes up every couple years and goes nowhere. My guess is the city can hire or contract out for private security at a fraction of the cost without the burden of employee benefits. But in the meantime, all those wearing the aviation police costume should be aware that pissing off the honchos at city hall will do nothing but encourage a committee to study the feasibility of eliminating the position and that can be done with a stroke of a pen. In the meantime Robbins, Harvey, Hazelcrest and Posen are looking for a few good men. All are great places to tell your airport war stories.

3/13/2017 10:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guarantee that if they armed aviation, there's be a weapons discharge at one of the airports by one of them in a matter of months. Make them security, cut their pay by about $30K. Savings of about $12 million a year just in salaries. Same union as detention aides, same salary.

3/14/2017 07:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If aviation police join the fop then they will to have a retirement age which they do not have now .

3/15/2017 08:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These comments just WoW me they have brains but yet they can't think...if you go the Police Academy and pass the State Test you are consider as a Peace Officer The state only mandate that you do X amont of hours in order to be the Police did you know with the Certificate The Aviation Police has they can work Any surrounding area Police Department without taking any additional training A lot of States take lateral and they don't have to the Academy....

4/20/2017 06:09:00 AM  

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