Another Reopened Case
Here's a previously ruled Justified shooting opened for political reasons:
- [DS], who has been in the 018th District for 18 years, needs our help. He is in a no pay status currently and IPRA is trying to fire him for a shooting that happened just over three years ago which was deemed justified at the time. Here's a brief synopsis:
[DS] was assigned to the tactical team in 018 and was working with the area detectives on an armed robbery crew that was creating havoc in the district. While on a surveillance of one of the offenders homes in the suburbs, offender pulled into his driveway and exited his vehicle. The decision was made to take the offender down and [DS] and other detectives converged on the scene. Offender saw what was about to happen and jumped back into his vehicle. Offender then proceeded an attempt to drive over [DS] and another detective at which time [DS] fired 3 times striking the offender. The offender succumbed to his wounds. An immediate investigation by the department ruled the shooting justified and IPRA at the time concurred.
Fast forward to present time and IPRA gets a new Chief Administrator who decides that she is going to re-open numerous shooting investigations due to the Laquan McDonald shooting. [DS] finds out his shooting is to be one of them. In January [DS] gets promoted in the first class of detectives only to find out that he is being taken off the list and being put in call back due to IPRA's re-investigation. IPRA's re-investigation concludes that [DS's] first two shots were justified and the third was not. Superintendent Johnson weighed in and stated that the shooting was justified while IPRA went to a three person review of the Police Board who sided with IPRA. 2 weeks ago [DS] was put in a no pay status and has to go in front of the full Police Board sometime this year.
Did you get that? In a rapidly evolving, violent, loud, dynamic situation, some armchair assholes from IPRA dissected a shooting that took maybe 2 seconds to unfold and determined that the first two shots were justified and a third shot was unjustified.
And how pray tell did they determine this? What if the first and third shots were the justified ones? Hindsight is supposed to be 20/20, but a cop doesn't have that sort of luxury in a highly fluid situation with a guy trying to run over multiple officers with a car.
Special Ed seems to have made the determination that it was a justified shooting, as IPRA did three years ago, but was overruled by political actors operating in a political environment looking for a political outcome.
This finding is crap and ought to be treated as crap. The FOP should be loud and outraged about this and the superintendent might want to think about the fact that Officers are going to see this three-year delay as a witch hunt for scalps.
You think the police are fetal now?
And how pray tell did they determine this? What if the first and third shots were the justified ones? Hindsight is supposed to be 20/20, but a cop doesn't have that sort of luxury in a highly fluid situation with a guy trying to run over multiple officers with a car.
Special Ed seems to have made the determination that it was a justified shooting, as IPRA did three years ago, but was overruled by political actors operating in a political environment looking for a political outcome.
This finding is crap and ought to be treated as crap. The FOP should be loud and outraged about this and the superintendent might want to think about the fact that Officers are going to see this three-year delay as a witch hunt for scalps.
You think the police are fetal now?
Labels: shooting, un-fucking-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
128 Comments:
Bad enough that, to stay out of trouble, you have to avoid any specialist units that might involve force like the plague... now, you also need a time machine to back and avoid doing any actual work years ago!
This city is absolutely sickening.
My Squad has a speed Governor that won't let it go over 25mph.
The officer is going to have to put a civil suit in on COPA!
plane and simple if you can file a suit against a detective you sure as hell can file a suit against a COPA hack who want to play Monday morning quarter back.
If you wait for FOP they will tell you to chill and just hope you don't go to prison.
Put some thought in it 10-20 people did the 1st investigation and someone now is saying they were all wrong? multiple exempts signed off on the case originally mow nothing?
Stay fetal and expend the minimum number of rounds possible. This Cook Co. and politics rule here.
This is ridiculous. I shot a pit bull that was gnawing on my leg a long time ago. I thought I fired 4 times; further investigation revealed I fired 12 times. DS should get his job back, his promotion, back pay, and a giant fucking apology
Im going to take a guess that this case has been reopened because there is a civil case pending. Im also going to guess there was testimony either through a deposition or actual courtroom testimony that contradicts prior statements.
Benefit at FOP hall at the end of the month. Please attend!!
Armed robbery .... a forcible felony offense, and in addition to his escape attempt being a violent crime, should his escape actually occur, then more lives would be in danger, but the third shot was "not justified"??
Where do they come up with this stuff......
SCC, glad to see you keeping this out front as knowledge for the rest of us, and hopefully FOP does something about it
This is just fucking awful...
Remember this - every situation that you involve yourself in can reach the point where you might have to shoot someone ! Now i signed up for this job knowing that was a possibility what i did not sign up for was that those few seconds of chaos would get picked apart by some Monday morning quarterbacks resulting in me getting fired ! I've got just over 4yrs on and the 1st and the 16th are the only things important to me ! This city is creating a generation of cops that are gonna be totally out for me , myself and I and nobody can blame them !
The officer involved, [DS] has spent his entire career devoted to quality police work, and a ton of that! He has spent the last several years actively assisting Area Central detectives in closing many cases of robbery and other violent crimes. He was on a recent list to be sent to Detectives Class, but due to this sand-bag by IPRA he was taken off the list.
I have known [DS] over the years in the 018th District, and he has a stellar reputation among all, for arresting dangerous offenders and keeping our community safe. For IPRA to re-open a justified shooting, three years later, sends chills throughout myself, and every honorable officer in the CPD.
Do whatever you can at this time to support [DS] and his family in their hour of need. [DS] is one of the last of a breed who was willing to sacrifice his personal well-being for the protection of the citizens of Chicago. If [DS] is allowed to go down without the support of the CPD and the FOP, then the fight against everything evil in Chicago is already lost!
Same shit with a Det from Central
So happy I am retired. Pray every day for the men and women in Blue. God Bless you all and keep you safe to go home to your families.
Dont do shit then you dont got to worry about shit
Why are they opening old cases that were already investigated and ruled as justified. I think that cop should sue the dept & ipra supervisor for re-opening a case that was already done. It seems they are just trying to screw working ofiicers up. Hey ipra why don't you investigate the Lt cheating scandal along with all these messed up exempts that have no moral compass/ethics getting triple merits in an unfair merit process.
The Cozzi Effect strikes again.
rahm and his,SJW must have changed something recently to give IzPRA more power because the should not have the ability to over rule the superintendents decision regarding firing the officer, the duper had sole authority prior.
Bert & Ernie, 2 of the best and hardest working cops I've ever had the pleasure of working with. The Real Deal for sure!!!!!! Good Luck, God Bless & God Speed Dan. I hope it all works out & you make em pay dearly......
This is why active members need to vote. Doesn't matter for who just freaking vote. We need an active FOP for active members. Why would anyone go above and beyond anymore why not worth it.
24 hours without the police - A great idea- Every demographic would be calling for the police to come back to solve the problems the police solve for them now only to be criticized every step of the way. Too bad it can't happen and the downward anti police spiral will continue
I person out of town would call this fiction ! The poor guy gets jack potted by Rahm as many before and more to come to keep the useless Rev' happy.
FOP needs to be GONE allowing no action on their part.
Remember years ago, maybe ten yrs, when the masses of copper' marched on city hall. An old dick from B/A organized it. His kind is long gone and Dean needs to get locked out of the FOP, and this "Fishing Club) organization disbanded. Sell the property and give all members their share.
Hoping this poor soul copper, thrown under the bus will be OK. Heartless M.F'er.
FOP mass e mail are all about discount bull shit from businesses looking for a fish to hook on. Cash always talks.
You guys on the streets keep the blinders on. Write a ticket to one of the ghetto slugs, and watch Eddie put you La La land. That Lt that used her office to get her kid sprung from 002. She is still working and will be an exempt this spring.
Angelo won't do anything. He hasn't done anything since getting elected. Except get his kid promoted.
The "FOP should be loud and outraged". Are you fucking kidding me? When was the last time the FOP was "loud and outraged" about anything!? Bet they'll be "loud and outraged" when their ass is kicked out of office in just a few short weeks.
Absolutely unconscionable.
I thought witch hunts were a thing from centuries ago.
These civilians hasn't received enough training to investigate an illegal parking ticket, how in hell are they investigating and making decisions on policing-related shooting? They couldn't identify a crime scene if they were standing inside the red tape lol! If they were to recover anything at a shooting they couldn't inventory it although they're the investigating unit to police shootings. Wait unit the civilian investigators come on your crime scene. For the most part the civilians who makes the decisions on police shoots has had less than one week training on Lead Homicide Investigations
This is a perfect example as to why I stay fetal on this job!
These idiots a.k.a IPRA and States Attorney, are looking to earn their keep by fucking over good police officers for the sake of politics!
I have a message to both organizations! Fuck off! Let this city burn!
See the next happy homocide story of street justice of a shitbird!
If this is the phone case he does have problems how much did the city pay out and why did CPD handle the case
Thank God, I retired last year, from all this B.S.
No outrage by dean-O, he's too busy electifying.
" Phil the Thrill said...
24 hours without the police - A great idea- Every demographic would be calling for the police to come back to solve the problems the police solve for them now only to be criticized every step of the way. Too bad it can't happen and the downward anti police spiral will continue"
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I'm all for it as long as the taxpayers don't have to pay taxes for 24 hours, then since the agreement was broken, some pay taxes and others provide a service in exchange for the taxes, no more taxes can be collected until a new agreement between the taxpayers and the service providers is negotiated.
Stay off of teams.
Issue RD numbers.
Crawl to end.........
Good luck to this officer. I hope everything works out for him and his family.
To the citizens of Chicago , this is exactly why the police are not stopping people / folks .
This is why this city is turning into a shit hole. I am a police officer and I saw the writings on the wall when that Ferguson , Missouri debacle happened. Again , if you are a police officer , especially in the City of Chicago DO NOT extend yourself in anyway on this thankless and meaningless job. DO NOT go above and beyond the call of duty. If you do you are seriously playing with your job and your freedom.
This is the type of police department these liberals wanted and now they have it.
Stay safe , but more importantly stay fetal.
Remember, the police board are political appointees of Rahm. You think any cop is going to get a fair shake?
All this and that sack o crap is still supervising dets in north. Kochman files are still being hidden and the word is that his cloutt is awaiting the merit promotion to lt. or the appointment to a cook county job so that he will quit here before his discipline time gets handed out. Three judges have already written letters for him to be delivered to foxxy and prekwinkles in support but both offices are Leary. CLOUT...CLOUT....CLOUT.
Step up Deano. Get our lawyers involved proactively.
Every one of YOU Tact Team HAIR GELS better get your heads out of your Butts and read this article over and over ! These muther hubbar politicians will burn your Dumb ASS if you dont stay F E T A L ...Whats it going to take to get the message into your Head ? You know life for us changes on a DIME and now is NO time to be Playing Police and getting indited by ASSHOLE ( Foxx's )for something that took 5 seconds to play out 3 years ago ????? Monday Morning Quarterbacking is ALIVE AND WELL in this the most Corrupt City in AMERICA.
Send in the troops President Trump ,we got the Biggest Swamp in the Country
and several Political Inditments would really help DRAIN the Swamp !!!
Indite these politicians who wrecked our Pension Funds AKA Daley,Madigan, Emanuel and Culllerton FOR A START !
That's a dangerous precedent IPRA is attempting to create. Every single bullet is going to be analyzed in every shooting? A cop has a few seconds to decide what he going to do and after how many YEARS IPRA decides one of those shots was unjustified? To think that our LT had the AUDACITY to demand activity from my watch? She's just as crazy as she looks.
It's very simple. Unless you are being shot at, and only YOU being shot at. Don't shoot. Get hit, dragged, stabbed and beaten half to death. And if you live, you get to keep your job... that is if you come back whole.
FOP should be fighting that rule of vehicles being the only weapon. Citing Frances incident as case law.
FOP is useless. They've only been loud lately because it's election time.
The FOP has and will do nothing to assist this officer and others that may find themselves in the same boat.
The current FOP board DOES NOT HAVE YOUR BACK
Vote out all the useless retiree's that have nothing to do with active officers.
If you haven't voted in the FOP election yet, PLEASE PLEASE go to the FOP hall on Friday before noon to vote in person.
You will need your id and your FOP membership card to vote in person.
If you cannot find your FOP membership card you can go to the second floor and ask for a new one.
PLEASE VOTE
PLEASE VOTE
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Im going to take a guess that this case has been reopened because there is a civil case pending. Im also going to guess there was testimony either through a deposition or actual courtroom testimony that contradicts prior statements.
3/09/2017 12:34:00 AM
JR put your pants on and go to bed. None of that is the case here. Just a political hack who IPRA fired wrote a report and the new director decided to hang her hat on it.
Keep working!
If only our FOP pres was concerned with the membership and not getting his kid a merit promotion.
Scc don't forget about the officers in the lawuan McDonald case fucking bs!!
Who runs the CPD, well fed Ed or the Police Board?
So jag off beats a murder rap on a 'technicality' but this officer (whom it appears everyone speakers highly of) is in no pay status for a 3rd shot that was deemed unjustified on a shooting that happened 3 years ago by what I'm assuming a new batch of investigators?
yeah well you still have the wet behind the ears clowns in 005, 007 and several other fast paced districts running n gunning..... haven't learned anything yet. YOU WILL NOT BE BACKED UP BY THIS DEPARTMENT.... Time to go into fireman mode, respond to the radio job and nothing more.
Set up and frame the administrator for some nasty crime like drugs, or bribery or some kind of he said - she said bullshit. Demorats don't need truth to make accusations.
IPRA ON A HUNT TO FIRE AS MANY AS THEY CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO IS FOXX !!!!!!!!!!!!! Only a fool would go out and do more than the minimum. If you do you are gonna drag others into your bullshit!!!!! Which is total bullshit no one has the right to do that.
Listen this is no time to mess around, we need aggressive and organized leadership in our union. I do not know Mike Shields and I met him twice, both times when he was running for President and I do know this about him, he would not stand for this and would file lawsuits and have this practice investigated by the federal government. Time to push back against this hatred and violation of rights. Wake up people, everyone on the Angelo team and board are also responsible for allowing this to happen so remember when you vote, get it in by tomorrow.
Bogus AH
I "find this concerning"
The Police Board are a bunch of Tiny Dancer's political hacks. Tiny Dancer stacked the Board with a bunch of police haters. This is a result of Garry McCarthy complaining to Tiny Dancer that every time he tried to fire an Officer the Police Board over ruled him. So Tiny Dancer put people on the Board who have no problem firing Police to further Tiny Dancer's political agenda. Why anybody does anything is beyond me. Everyone should be laying low. The job and house you save may be your own.
As of today 14 months away from retirement class of August 1990.......I'm out of here....you can have the overtime too!
I hear that the dept is taking cell phones and copying them. Any word on that? Had the FOP offered advice? Wth?
Res Judicata won't work?
Retirement can't come soon enough and I'm going to coast until I get there. I will do as little as possible because the City & Department will do as little as possible to help me, support me, or protect me.
To Hell with this City. Let the shitheads in the ghetto have it.
And bosses still ask "what's your activity?" Hahahaha you fucking assholes
Sounds like one of those armchair tacticians have played too many video games or spent too much time oon one of those video firearms trainers. Where it times your action to the microsecond. "You were justified at 2.46 seconds, but that shot at 2.82 was excessive."
All this because the family of righteously terminated is beefing.
Rahm is the ultimate pandering scum.
If you ever needed an example showing that you are on your own, this case is it! Consider that the Superintendent, who is in fact appointed to a clearly Political Position, because all Exempt are political appointees; yet Fathead Ed himself, sided with the officer and they end played Ed. to nail this cop. Every copper needs to take note, because few clearer examples of the Superintendent being a Powerless Figurehead exist, than this case. So when the Superintendent tells you he has your back, what he means is he Feels for You, and may even Care About You, but at the end of the day, he cannot help you.Lori Lightfoot, Ms. Roundtree and now Katz ran and now run the Chicago Police Department. Fathead Ed has been reduced to nothing more than a Figure Head Under Rahm, as was McCarthy. The Lil Guy has washed his hands of CPD. You caused him too much trouble and torpedoed his political ambitions. Soon, he will be reduced to the status of another D.C. Hustler, trying to sell "Access" to the Obama Legacy. Chicago will be in the rear view mirror, of a car driven by one of his Detail Guys, who he'll keep as a stooge/servant. While YOU are here working three jobs to pay parochial school tuition and trying to avoid slipping on the ice, Rahm will still be a Millionaire and in a better climate. Consider that carefully, before playing hero out there, because Every Cop means NOTHING to Rahm! Do nothing more than answer calls & take care of each other. Baby "G"
I just got a letter from IPRA stating that they have been investigating me for 6 months and don't even have a signed affidavit, and that they are trying to finish up as soon as possible. So, smells like a witch hunt to me... Watch out boys and girls....
Maybe we should only be allowed to carry one bullet in our shirt pocket? Have duty weapon holstered unloaded. Will force more time to think while somebody is trying to kill you. Just saying...
My God! The criminals are going to get their way! They don't want no police and oversight committees are going to give it to them. Goodbye Chicongo.
C.Y.A.
J.J.
That march around city hall was not run by a dick from bomb/arson. It was run by FOP and there was at least 4000 of us there.
DS is a good cop and the silence of FOP is another wxample of Angelo not doing the right thing. Angelo has no creditability. He is in O'Neils pocket.
Dean angelo said on his webpage that his administration " worked with lobbyist , professional accountants who were able to secure dedicated sources of funding which are now being directly deposited into our pension fund. By the year 2023 tour fund will be funded nearly 30 percent which is up considerably since we first started"
Today the suntimes stated this about our pension: That dubious distinction went to the Chicago Police Annuity and Benefit Fund, which had assets to cover just 25 percent of its liabilities in fiscal 2015, down from 26 percent the year before.
Dean Angelo your a piece of work. You let DS jist get hung out to dry while your disabled aelf collected tax free money for over 12 years while collecting another salary at Calumet College. Your a bad dude and your in the citys pocket.
Angelo is all about Angelo not about coppers
The FOP loud and outraged? Is this the start of some joke? This current regime at FOP has cost coppers more then any previous regime. I think the current regime is like the past occupant of the White House. Terrible for current and retirees. Get them out.
Un fuck'n believable. This City and Police Department is something else. Who's running the CPD, COPA/IPRA??? How do they just get away with doing things as such? One reason why the crime is going up in the City. STAY FETAL! answer your calls and back each other up. Check off with a parker.
This case will absolutely create fear in every active officer's mind. Every previous case will be reviewed and if possible you will be indicted. The superintendent cannot help you. FOP is silent and useless. Too bad this case is news today. If it broke two weeks ago it would have a major effect on Angelo's election results. The only agency left to defend us in the public is MUTE! How do you live with yourself, Angelo?
Reopening this shooting is complete and utter BULLSHIT!
And IMHO has Un-Fucking-Constitutional written all over it. That is, if Police are still citizens of the USA and as such have constitutional Rights and protection just like every fucking Illegal Alien has that's managed to invade the country. Ergo:
--- 1) Reopening the investigation after the Officer was cleared in the first one puts the officer in Double Jeopardy -- a 5th Amendment Violation.
--- 2) It's Public Knowledge that this 'new' IPRA will be looking at Police Officer conduct in a completely different manner. Going after an officer for the slightest infraction, weighed against Police and Pro the anti-police 'social Justice' activists. While not a new 'law' per se, it sure is a new way.
------- 2a) And applying this New Way to old resolved cases is: Ex Post Facto (after the fact). And that's been Unconstitutional since Article One, Section Nine, Clause Three, of the constitution was ratified on September 17, 1787
------ 2b) Applying this 'New Way' of looking at new cases is okay, but you can't 'go back.'
As such, I'd drop the hammer on these anti-police assholes with a Lawsuit in Federal Court for Civil Rights Violations seeking 'gazillions' of dollars in damages.
To the Younger coppers it's not what happens today when the boss gives you that bullshit "that a boy" and an early duck, nope its not about the bullshit ribbons it is about the future,policing is a thinking man and woman's game. Quit watching all the goofy fake police shows being filmed here, reality is different as we all know, you want to be the big tough police ruining your name-family-career-freedom-savings go ahaed as for me staying fetal unless it is Blue that calls.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is why active members need to vote. Doesn't matter for who just freaking vote. We need an active FOP for active members. Why would anyone go above and beyond anymore why not worth it.
3/09/2017 01:13:00 AM
Already voted for Mike Shields he at least spoke up, even though he was set up by the crew of henchmen FOP national meeting where they decided to remove Shields:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjWplFoGyCI
The nonsense about "the letter" he was clearly set up no doubt, like President Trump keeps exposing all the lies from the media they don't want someone heading flop that speaks out! Shields hired Pat Camden it was refreshing to have him represent us, he used billboards to expose our plight dean is completely silent, Greg at 1 time was a "bulldog" now he is so quiet collects the huge check and relaxes!
Lastly as far as Maggie O'Grady that woman is great she not only knows the pension board, she also helped immensely with the removal of our health insurance and was a big help straightening it out! Dean made 1 yes 1 good hire and that is her!!
God bless the police everywhere!
I'm not the police, but read this blog because its informative. If the States Attorney's Office is doing this to the Police, then the question in my mind is what in the hell are they going to do to a civilian defending him/herself in a deadly force situation? I don't know the complete answer, but an Ex-ASA who just resigned after Foxx was elected said, the new States Attorney is totally racially motived. First this motivation is aimed at white Police Officers and anyone else not black. It appeared to him they want more whites arrested and prosecuted for just the numbers, in a word, affirmative action through prosecution. He told me, he use to think it would be a bad idea for someone involved in a shooting to leave the scene. Presently he said it might now be a good idea if you can. He was an insider and said the States Attorney's Officer with Foxx is not police friendly. Just one last comment, under these circumstances stay fetal, because instead of you being the hunter, you are now being hunted.
And yet you have bosses across the city in District watches and in units who are exhorting, bullying, and threatening police officers to go and get yet more numbers.
These rotten cheating lying bosses are urging officers to expose themselves to more contact with a police hating public which can quite possibly and most probably lead to more incidents of this type. But the bosses are insulated from any liability as they sit in their offices with their hands clasped behind their heads and their feet on the desk.
In this current political environment of police which hunting here in Crook County, for the sake of your own sanity and self-preservation, the only rational option is to simply report to work, get the car, answer your calls and cut paper, and go home at the end of the tour. At least that course of action can minimize your chances of liability and a Federal case.
We all signed on knowing the risk to our skins. We are not scared of that. We knew about that part of the job. But what was a shocking surprise to most was the degree to which your actions can lead to you being liable in a financial sense and the risk to your own liberty. Simply for trying to do the right thing and enforce the law and protect people that need protecting.
shame on these selfish and disingenuous cuck bosses who either don't see this, or do recognize it and are urging officers onward in spite of this situation. Knowing full well that the full burden of political Fallout from an ugly incident will fall on the police officer working the street.
it's getting to the point I can't even stand the sight of these rotten bosses. They are not your friend, they are not there to help you, they're only there for themselves. And they look at you like you are a dumb piece of s**t for still being a blue shirt on a watch. Or worse yet, if your detailed to some unit, then you're just there as a piece of meat to be used by them.
As soon as the FOP Fishing Tournament and the Picnic formalities are completed Deano will address this minor issue.
Pathetic we can't get a thousand Officers to donate a dollar a week.
two words of advice STAY FETAL
Each time this kind of injustice transpires. Every patrolman and detective should call in sick to work on the day such a ruling is announced. I guarantee that by doing such, this shit would stop!
Goes to show that the pandering Merit Hack infested Department is a trough of backstabbing- back peddlers.
This kid is the real deal and was an asset to the BOD and many bosses know this.
But the Rahm appointed cottonmouths have to make their witchhunt process appear "fair" and decisive, even if it takes 4 or 5 tries.
I don't know DS personally, met him a couple years ago and was surprised he wasn't a Det back then with his knowledge and skills.
Sorry to hear he was snared in Rahm's politically charged bullshit.
I'm sure there's quite a bit more still wondering when they'll get there Justified downgraded.
There's probably more that have lesser incidents that are being reviewed because they're running out of shootings to reopen.
Stay Fetal and write your reports, that's all.
Don't get boxed into the corner with bad guys and the Dept's IPRA/COPA.
Don't fight Rahm's War for BackStab Ed.
I heard FOP did everything they could for this individual and the other two involved in a different incident out south, including drafting a report to the Sup that was delivered to him. The Sup did not go along with the IPRA recommendation based on this very report. I am bewildered at how clueless many are and it is getting worse. Those that did not vote this election, shame on you.
Rahm Emmanuel is a FAILURE as Mayor. Chicago Police are 3,000 Officers short. Quit building basketball arenas.
I don't understand why he was put in a no pay status. There are hundreds of pos working callback and getting paid. Who determines the no pay status. Not only is the reinvestigation not right, but either is the no pay sratus
I guess double jeopardy doesn't exist for police officers. Especially those actually facing life and death situations. I only hope when the dust settles that these judges find themselves or their family judged by the same upstanding people they are empowering with their stupidity and ignorance!
Yall see what is going on here, right? Rahm KNOWs that his hiding of the McDonald tape has to have serious consequences. So as part of his misdirection politics, his angle is to make ALL officers AT RISK id he himself is going to be at risk. Truth is - ONE MAN who shot McDonald has to pay for what he did, and he is going to. That is just. Bad shoots mean punishment is due. However, ALL police are not to be punished for the action of ONE. (Psssst, hey cops, think about that when you choose to act toward us the way you do often times, please).
Rahm is trying to protect his OWN hide by ONCE AGAIN using police as Human Shields.
Fetal ya say? Y'all need to climb under a rock, down a fox hole dug under it and then cover up with vests! Here is the reality - the "data" doesn't stack up on the side of "p0lice be killin ebry black man out hea" so they have to MANUFACTURE cases to make the numbers say what they want them to say.
Rahm is selling yall out, again, and yer unions are letting him, helping him do so.
For years we warned y'all about union support for democrats. It is my hope that yall finally start to HEAR us, finally. Moreover, that you do something about it. Fetal is awesome (outside real and actual crimes) and so many of of us approve of it and hope you keep right on doing it, but know this, WHAT you are doing and WHY matters as much as that you are doing it. Hear us fellas, please. Finally hear us.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Each time this kind of injustice transpires. Every patrolman and detective should call in sick to work on the day such a ruling is announced. I guarantee that by doing such, this shit would stop!
3/09/2017 12:53:00 PM
Too many cops concerned about their spots or about VRI. It will never happen. If there was any unity in this department maybe we could pull something like that off. I like your idea but it wouldn't work on CPD.
If the Failed Opportunistic People (FOP) do not do anything about this and fast, I pray to God for all of us Police!!!! Enough said!!!!!
If the Failed Opportunistic People (FOP) do not do anything about this and fast, I pray to God for all of us Police!!!! Enough said!!!!!
Unbelievable as the anti-police attacks continue with an unending vengeance over here a sanctioned attorney by the ethics board getting another job at the political hiding place the corrupt cta:
http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/sanctioned-by-ethics-board-clout-attorney-lands-at-cta/
Will the Feds drain the swamp here? So much prima facia evidence here and it continues taxpayers pay as they take!
Mike Shields organized the march on City Hall, not Deano and not an unknown named detective. It was MIKE SHIELDS, and I am glad I voted for him!
Phil the Thrill said...
24 hours without the police - A great idea- Every demographic would be calling for the police to come back to solve the problems the police solve for them now only to be criticized every step of the way. Too bad it can't happen and the downward anti police spiral will continue
3/09/2017 01:25:00 AM
give me some advance notice so I can lock myself in the basement with my family and rifle. It won't be fun
Is there double jeopardy in an employment situation? I don't think so. Certainly not involving the 5th amendment as some have mentioned here. This is an employment situation and the amendments rarely come into play. The officer will have to rely on the union contract in this matter and ultimately a review by the courts. But if this is true, that the first two shots are OK but the 3rd shot is not, WOW, that is unbelievable unless the offender had his hands up or something along those lines. I am sad for what has happened to the city and to the police department since Rahm and the progressives have taken over.
Cops in Chicago are with out doubt on their own. They are being controlled by an evil force who are hell bent on making the CPD become unarmed. Come on Trump fucking do something already.
I read and see and hear the same ole same ole year after year. Its our own fault , we elect union guys who don't care and sell out the active and retired membership like clock-work election after election. How many times have you heard the union guys say they will attend roll calls and inform members of current affairs only to never see them ecept at election time. Decertify the fop and get a real union with a real labor lawyer to hammer out the contract and issues at hand. Fact - in other major depts. an officer or exempt is immediately assigned to desk duty until the investigation is closed. they don't get striped, they don't get placed in a no -pay status. But hey this is chgo where bossess don't make arrests , write tickets or even answer calls and openly promote their lovers, family members and desk dollies, all who have no police experience and in open violation of a dept. of justice mandate.
Anonymous said...
As soon as the FOP Fishing Tournament and the Picnic formalities are completed Deano will address this minor issue.
3/09/2017 11:40:00 AM
FYI there has been NO fishing tournament while angeo has been president. Therefor there is no reason to vote for DiMaria.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If only our FOP pres was concerned with the membership and not getting his kid a merit promotion.
3/09/2017 07:30:00 A
Jr was not merit but why let the truth get in the way of your narrative.
QUESTION will Mike Shields go on the medical right after he loses the election or will he gut it out until he runs for the pension board?
Although its a full time job mike only worked a couple a days a week when he was there.
3 rounds in 5 seconds
3 rounds in 5 seconds
Drilled into you from training.
Despite case after case and incident after incident that shows that if you are a cowboy cop and you are proactive, you are going to get fucked. We still have coppers who are doing foot chases, car chases and engaging in all sorts of pro active police work.
In 015 and other busy districts we still have coppers engaging in all of that stuff. In the end, it is your choice. Do as you please but when you get screwed, do not ask me for a benefit ticket.
That march around city hall was not run by a dick from bomb/arson. It was run by FOP and there was at least 4000 of us there.
3/09/2017 10:00:00 AM
Wrong, the FOP was against it at first but when they saw how many coppers were gonna go they jumped on board.
In 015 and other busy districts we still have coppers engaging in all of that stuff. In the end, it is your choice. Do as you please but when you get screwed, do not ask me for a benefit ticket.
You wouldn't pay for one anyway you cheap prick
24 hours without the police - A great idea- Every demographic would be calling for the police to come back to solve the problems the police solve for them now only to be criticized every step of the way. Too bad it can't happen and the downward anti police spiral will continue
Blue flu 4 July weekend
Looks like Dean has his bloggers working hard today! Dean you are an utter failure. The last three years all you did was try to blame Mike Shields for everything so that you could deflect any responsibility. In reality your day has come and the membership will speak. We all know what a coward you are with respect to going against the City of Chicago on anything. Why Because you SOLD US THE FUCK OUT! Good riddance asshole! BYE bye Greg Bella and Ray Casiano. I also have to sadly admit that I voted for you in the runoff. Boy was that a mistake.
This is like the catcher in baseball being able to apeal to each member of the umpire crew till the catcher get the call he/she wants.
Rahm is doing all he can to secure votes for the next election. That run-off scared the hell out of him. EJ does not run this department, never has and never will. During the last election Rahm closed several schools in minority communities and minorities showed him that they will vote when he landed into a run-off..therefore he's catering to them. They protest all day blocking traffic without a permit, he settles most lawsuits without a fight, he gave them a Superintendent of Police that will show no resistance, he's given them power to screw the police. The citizens of Chicago did say that they want to police their own communities and police the police. Stay alert and fetal.
Brother poster - You are 100 % correct, it was Mike Shields that did the march on city hall. Hopefully Shields will do it again for the active guys when he get elected again and that fool Dean is gone back to teaching how to avoid ever speaking up for 10,000 plus copper' and make $150,000 for a part time gig. Dean and company spend more time at near North high line steak joints then in the office.
It does not matter for us long gone retired guys who the FOP is run by, but you guys need a rebel that yells and screams when good coppers get the shaft. Dean as a detective of police produced as much as he did for FOP, ZERO.
Best to Shields kicking asses. If Dean wins, you current guys just better quit the job, cause he will allow fat Ed take you income away for not having polished shoes ! Unless you a Female cheating Lt.' who will soon be standing tall before the man !
Anonymous P.O. Randy Stevens, 018th District said...
Hey Randy from 018, I worked in 018 a few years back and you backed stabbed me, and did some other shady crap. Its ok though because I got the last laugh. Just cause you sign your name to your posts you think people are gonna think you are some kind of stand up guy? No you are a bozo and I hope no one has the pleasure of working with you, asshat.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Despite case after case and incident after incident that shows that if you are a cowboy cop and you are proactive, you are going to get fucked. We still have coppers who are doing foot chases, car chases and engaging in all sorts of pro active police work.
3/09/2017 09:17:00 PM
And when your house or garage is burglarize, or your car is stolen, or family member is harmed or robbed by a POS, you will be complaining how the cops where you live don't do shit to prevent crime from happening because they are fetal.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Im going to take a guess that this case has been reopened because there is a civil case pending. Im also going to guess there was testimony either through a deposition or actual courtroom testimony that contradicts prior statements.
A DAY WITHOUT COPS...........
How does this contract violation nonsense continue with no noise from the FOP
Anonymous said...
QUESTION will Mike Shields go on the medical right after he loses the election or will he gut it out until he runs for the pension board?
Although its a full time job mike only worked a couple a days a week when he was there.
3/09/2017 08:42:00 PM
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Mike Shields NEVER worked at the Pension Bd.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If only our FOP pres was concerned with the membership and not getting his kid a merit promotion.
3/09/2017 07:30:00 A
Jr was not merit but why let the truth get in the way of your narrative.
3/09/2017 08:40:00 PM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Who CARES!
Fact is that Dean Angelo Sr. DOES NOT have the membership's best interest.
Looks like Dean has his bloggers working hard today! Dean you are an utter failure. The last three years all you did was try to blame Mike Shields for everything so that you could deflect any responsibility. In reality your day has come and the membership will speak. We all know what a coward you are with respect to going against the City of Chicago on anything. Why Because you SOLD US THE FUCK OUT! Good riddance asshole! BYE bye Greg Bella and Ray Casiano. I also have to sadly admit that I voted for you in the runoff. Boy was that a mistake.
In looking at the case on the IPRA website, there is no video available.
Who knows if there is a video of this incident.
If there is no video, how the hell did IPRA determine that the 3rd shot was unjustified?
And, what gives IPRA the authority (little to no investigative training, no knowledge of police operations, no knowledge of police shootings, training, etc)
What gives IPRA the authority to determine whether that 3rd shot was justified or not?
God I hope this guy gets a good lawyer to rip IPRA and that C Lightfoot to shreds!
11th Dist King said... "Hey Randy from 018, I worked in 018 a few years back and you backed stabbed me, and did some other shady crap Its ok though because I got the last laugh. Just cause you sign your name to your posts you think people are gonna think you are some kind of stand up guy? No you are a bozo and I hope no one has the pleasure of working with you, asshat." 3/10/2017 12:33:00 AM
Dear Sir:
I have no way of knowing who you are, or how I may have possibly wronged you.
I am not perfect, nobody is, and perhaps I did something in the past that pissed you off, but if I did something wrong, how can I make amends to someone who cowardly refuses to identify himself or state exactly what his beef is with me?
I work almost every single day with a partner, with no complaints from them.
And calling me an "asshat" on the SCC blog, boy, that REALLY hurts. I'm gonna laugh all day with that one.
Peace, brother!
In 015 and other busy districts we still have coppers engaging in all of that stuff. In the end, it is your choice. Do as you please but when you get screwed, do not ask me for a benefit ticket.
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As much as many of us have slowed down to almost a hault- you were the SAME P.O.S. 5-10 years ago saying the same thing. Guys like you were never the police, never wanted to be either. I don't do any proactive police work anymore, but i will be the first guy there if someone calls for another car. If a gangbanger flashes a gun at a cop driving by and they decide to foot chase, i will be right behind my coworker as well. If that means otherwise just sitting in a hole for 8 hours just going to my calls so be it. I bet when your out with your friends and family you tell them about all the "war stories" about working in a ghetto district, when in reality you hid in CAPS/commanders office/front desk.
You know SCC, I've been on 27 yrs and all that time working the street. I was in Gang Crimes, tact teams, but my 27 yrs has been 25 in patrol. I used to be a real worker, loved arresting the bad guys with about 3,000 arrests but I'm done. I've seen enough, read enough, that I'm now going to take a desk spot when it opens up. I'm finished, they win, I give up.
So happy I left this department. There are better options out there guys. Do a little leg work and apply. Leave, chicago is done.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
QUESTION will Mike Shields go on the medical right after he loses the election or will he gut it out until he runs for the pension board?
Although its a full time job mike only worked a couple a days a week when he was there.
3/09/2017 08:42:00 PM
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Mike Shields NEVER worked at the Pension Bd.
3/10/2017 05:54:00 AM
true he was just a trustee:
http://www.chipabf.org/ChicagoPolicePension/PDF/Advisor/2013/April2013No50.pdf
First, let me offer to you my gratitude for electing
me as your Pension Board Trustee for the next
three years. I would also at this time publically
acknowledge our former Trustee, Michael Shields
who served our membership unselfishly in a very
spirited manner during his three year term.
BTW I recently retired and voted for Mike Shields he at least speaks up strongly!
Mr. SouthSide says---
Class of August 1990? Still a bunch of rookies.
Anonymous said...
Despite case after case and incident after incident that shows that if you are a cowboy cop and you are proactive, you are going to get fucked. We still have coppers who are doing foot chases, car chases and engaging in all sorts of pro active police work.
In 015 and other busy districts we still have coppers engaging in all of that stuff. In the end, it is your choice. Do as you please but when you get screwed, do not ask me for a benefit ticket.
3/09/2017 09:17:00 PM
Many of us agree 100% on that!
2017 09:17:00 PM
And when your house or garage is burglarize, or your car is stolen, or family member is harmed or robbed by a POS, you will be complaining how the cops where you live don't do shit to prevent crime from happening because they are fetal.
Hate to break it to you but No proactive work is going to change that hotshot. Chicago is done.
Sorry. Mr 3000 arrests, but anyone who evers mentions that they were the working police or the number of arrests that they made is a hard on. All it means is that your co-workers were going job to job while you were in the station.
Mr. SouthSide says---
Class of August 1990? Still a bunch of rookies.
3/10/2017 03:16:00 PM
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Ok. Go back to the nursing home, enjoy your strained applesauce. Dipshit.
Dont do a dam thing .......
Strained applesauce kicks ASS!
When is the fop going to go to federal court and get these reopened cases stopped and looked at while guys are sripped and Have their careers on the line what had happen years ago and these cases were already looked at and were unfounded. Try to get an injunction or something that will stop this insanity
I found myself in a very similar situation. My case was closed in my favor, then years later "re-opened" in no-pay status. For 16 months. 16 months of zero pay, zero health care. Well, the bills still come in. I lost my house with 2 years left on the mortgage , and realized how easy it is to run afoul of the law. Things like ipass balances lead to a suspended DL. Car insurance is very difficult. I couldn't even renew my damn library card to use the computer to look for a job. The fallout is what gets you. I got reinstated with back pay only to use it to pay the lawyer, but my once perfect credit is now ruined. A chicken wire vagrant hotel was a real possibility- if I could afford it. I was too proud to take charity, but found myself at a food pantry justifying bread and milk. So from now on, I won't get mad at people sleeping in the lobby.
OHHHHHHHH Cabrini Kim is going to pop out of her shit hole on this one only , you watch and see ,as long as she can hang a Cop
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