Use of Force - Take Two!
Evidently, they didn't get the answers Rahm wanted, so Special Ed is trying again:
- Dear Members,
As you know, late last year we put forth a draft Use of Force policy for review by both CPD members as well as the public. We received hundreds of comments and reviewed them all to write a thoughtful policy that aims to keep our streets safe, protect every Chicagoan, and most of all, ensure that you can do your jobs effectively and safely.
Today, I am announcing that we are holding a ten day comment period for a second review of the revisions that we made based off of the feedback we received last year. The comment period will close on Thursday, March 16th.
I invite you to offer your valuable feedback here, beginning at 3pm (this link only works internally): http://policy.chicagopolice.local/
Thank you for all that you do and stay safe.
Sincerely,
[Special Ed]
Superintendent of Police
The comments can be left at the regular site - you know where to find it. It seems they've taken out the portion that our readers pointed out REQUIRED you to shoot your partner if you made the determination that their Use of Force was in violation of policy, and afterward, would require you to be charged with murder when it was determined your deceased partner acted within the policy and the law.
Labels: department issues, un-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
72 Comments:
No revision required. What is required is less scrutiny, second-guessing and more training.
Carry on.
Do mentals fit in the u.o.f.paradigm? How do we immediately know they are mental when first appearing violent? We need padded chairs to strap down these people so we can transport....give us the tools.
I have never seen things so disorderly. Responded to street fight with numerous parties still onscene and still in each other's faces dissing etc. A bunch of coppers there with no one cuffed and no control. Old days all would be cuffed, on hood, pat down, name run and the scene controlled. This is unsafe and a joke...This old way of policing worked and needs to return fast. Period.
This shit is STUPID!
The Progressive white-guilters, #bl(a)m, the catered-to constituents,
the aclu and local media want to get their tingle from seeing Policemen
rolling around on the ground trying to "arrest" each other for rule
infractions and any unfortunate breaking of any law.
Fuck procedures in place and due process... Right?
"You Cops are just mere public servants
who haven't yet learned to stay in your
place."
As far as the ethical problems posed by the wet-dream taking immediate
action against a Department Member for an alleged inappropriate/unlawful
use of force against a member of a protected demographic?
They want blood from Policemen which is why they're whining so loudly
about the common-sense step back from the abyss they fantasize about
finally pushing The Police over.
Well Fed Ed shows his real colors with this "Use of Force - Take Two."
The fools complaining want desperately to plant that split second
of doubt in a Policeman's mind.
In their eyes, there haven't been enough dead and injured Policemen
to settle the SJW/Grievance Industry score.
They need a distraction from all the attention being paid
to the usuals performing the traditional ritual sacrifices
on each other on the streets of the west and south sides of this city.
Police Like You Have No Friends.
Do not be surprised if Special Ed and Mayor Short Shit replace your weapons. You will be soon be using a wiffel bat and a squirt gun to control the vermin.
I just can not stand this guy. Had trump not won believe me, the old one would've went through and prob even stricter rules added on. I've had enough. He can say whatever he wants, but he lost the whole department when he just began stripping everyone for everytthing. He's the guy that says "I've got your back," but he really means only if everything comes out smelling like roses. We all know policing doesn't work like that and we've seen he doesn't stick up for us, instead he strips us "for our own good" and gives out his cell number to police hating activists. Just wish he would go already. Give us a real leader that cares about us and sticks up for us. That's all we want.
Mmmmmmm... turn on my partner and shoot him,her, shim--- because they are tuning up a citizen or illegal/undocumented immigrant. Will I be railroaded in a manner similar to officers in court today for similar incidents
Make sure you get a Narcan protocol in writing.
A fireman O.D.'d in another city on New Year's Eve.
He was saved and is being given a second chance by
The Mayor. (this happened in the firehouse)
How about just follow the use of force as spelled out in state law (ILCS) that every other law enforcement agency is held to.
Ed "Can't get right" Johnson...
OT --
Some "use of force" on 21 y/o Kamari Belmont; crew in white SUV waiting for him when released from custody on murder charge after prosecutors did not comply with "speedy trial." Got six blocks and then got blown away. SUV crashes, occupants scatter on foot.
Lawyer says he was in communication with grandma, he's been around the fambly for 20 years.
Somehow we doubt that it was for real estate closings or probate matters. One cannot but speculate how many accelerated, one-after-another generations of violent crime that association represents.
Here comes the gofundme for the Bentley-shaped casket with the flashing turn signals, the RIP T-shirts, the "repast," etc.
It's just another day...
No wizard, under the age of 17, shall use magic in the presence of a muggle or away from Hogwarts grounds.
Nakia Fenner & Company your days are numbered.......... Stay Fetal My Friends.....
Anonymous said...
I have never seen things so disorderly. Responded to street fight with numerous parties still onscene and still in each other's faces dissing etc. A bunch of coppers there with no one cuffed and no control. Old days all would be cuffed, on hood, pat down, name run and the scene controlled. This is unsafe and a joke...This old way of policing worked and needs to return fast. Period.
Very true, if you did that today you would spend the next 12 hours doing ISR's. Today's policing is a joke and it's sad to see things going this way. Fuck them let them kill each other then drop paper.
Any model that is based on citizen input instead of just law and common sense is disingenuous and dangerous to everyone.
Thursday, March 16th?
3pm?
A City Hall non-member wrote the internal letter for Stup-Ed to sign.
He is even less intelligent than I originally suspected.
Mass confusion from the departments elite.
Who is that standing next to special ed? Male? Female? Something inbetween? This department is fucked...
Yet people are still lining up to take the entrance exam. Who in their right mind would take this job?
I would suspect that if you use the .local site they might be able to trace it back to you.
Keep trying. Maybe someday he will get it right.
I'm cheating on the use of force model!
Speaking of use of force, I can't believe you missed this story:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-murder-defendant-beats-charge-then-killed-20170307-story.html
I plan on buying horse blinders to maximize my de-escalation techniques.
Just change .local to .org and anyone can comment.
If this city wasn't such a shithole I'd be worried that isis would target us based on our shit policies. But THANKFULLY we have SUCH a savage waste of space and human life that they would rather just sit back and enjoy the bodies stack on their own... kind of like that ronco rotisserie, "set it and forget it."
This only proves that the Department wrote and issued this new order under outside pressure regarding police just killing all sorts of people.
When in fact this ALLEGATION is not true. Just check out hey jackass for the numbers.
I would trust them over city or department numbers.
Now the city realizes that DOJ is not going to come here with new AG Sessions in charge.
So you tax payers should ask why a several month long investigation was wasted on all of this BS.
I "have more questions then answers"
Man who beat murder case killed minutes after leaving jail
"A Chicago man accused of murder who beat his case when prosecutors couldn't give him a speedy trial was killed after leaving Cook County Jail on Monday night, according to authorities. Kamari Belmont, 23, was being held on separate murder and robbery cases stemming from a single night in 2015..."
Newly introduced County policy in an effort to save the good citizens $$
Anonymous said... How about just follow the use of force as spelled out in state law (ILCS) that every other law enforcement agency is held to. 3/08/2017 02:39:00 AM
Amen! We need a state law that expressly PROHIBITS any municipal or county police department from amending the Illinois State use of force standard.
Call me Mr. Lips
Has Special Ed lost his mind? Given the evidence, it would seem so. At the very least, Special has lost his ability to conduct an intellectual argument. It is first necessary, however, to make clear which facts are not in dispute. There is little dispute that Special's most recent nostrums are irreverent, in bad taste, and inappropriate. There is also hardly any dispute that Special's ghastly attempt to construct a creative response to my previous post was absolutely pitiful. Really, Special, stringing together a bunch of solecistic insults and seemingly random babble is hardly effective. It simply proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that his intent is to prevent us from asking questions. Special doesn't want the details checked. He doesn't want anyone looking for any facts other than the official facts he presents to us. I wonder if this is because most of his “facts” are false.
Special loves generating drama and conflict. That's why he repeatedly insists that destroying our culture, our institutions, and our way of life is essential for the safety and welfare of the public. It's also why he believes in perpetuating misguided and questionable notions of other warped paper-pushers' intentions. He recently went through a neocolonialism phase in which he tried repeatedly to play fast and loose with the truth. In fact, I'm not convinced that this phase of his has entirely passed. My evidence is that Special counts drossy antiheroism enthusiasts as his friends. Unfortunately for him, these are hired friends, false friends, friends incapable of realizing for a moment that Special intends to put his unimaginative posse in charge of advocating fatalistic acceptance of an invidious new world order. We should not stand for that, with that, or by that. Rather, we should make it clear that if I may be so bold, it's Special's belief that my letters demonstrate a desire to shame my name. I can't understand how anyone could go from anything I ever wrote to such a barbaric idea. In fact, my letters generally make the diametrically opposite claim, that I commend to your earnest and philosophical consideration Special's plan to divert our attention from serious issues. I don't think anyone questions that. But did you know that there's a lot of support from the worst classes of uncongenial dirtbags I've ever seen and his companions (mostly synonymous) for denying citizens the privilege of peaceful assembly and protest? Finally, this has been a good deal of reading, and surely difficult reading at that. Still, I hope you walk away from it with the new knowledge that Special Ed is lacking in the social graces.
Go back to the use of force scale prior to 2008. Let the public, citizens, taxpayers know you threaten the police you will get hurt, or dead.
This kinder, gentler police department, especially towards minorities, has empowered these same people to scoff at all American laws and do whatever the hell they want to.
Part of the respect a Policeman gets from the public is fear. Yeah, good or bad, people would listen because the Policeman was an authority figure and if you tried to fuck with him, he would kick your ass!
Now assholes burn the Policemans cars and curse and dare him to do anything right in his face with their bad breath. If this is progress, it makes me sick!
I'd like to see the cop screw his gun barrel into the assholes ear. Or use a baton to knock a few asshole teeth out on to the street.
The Police need to be respected and there needs to be that little fear factor. Go back to the time assholes feared getting their asses kicked.
And get a chief that knows how to lead and backup his Officers!
J.J.
Cannot figure how to send an image, but someone that can should look up Patrina Wines' Facebook post from 26Sep2016.
Would also love for IAD to look into why Wines and Carter work all of 2hrs a day before disappearing.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have never seen things so disorderly. Responded to street fight with numerous parties still onscene and still in each other's faces dissing etc. A bunch of coppers there with no one cuffed and no control. Old days all would be cuffed, on hood, pat down, name run and the scene controlled. This is unsafe and a joke...This old way of policing worked and needs to return fast. Period.
3/08/2017 12:28:00 AM
I recently retired observed a traffic stop 4 dudes in the car copper approaches driver, other copper gets out of passenger side of explorer talking on cell phone drinking a large drink not even paying attention wtf is going on lately? being fetal is OK but jeopardizing your partners and your safety is not!
then you have this as barry would say "acting stupidly" :
Emanuel calls governor emperor without clothes; Rauner aide suggests mayor has 'Napoleon complex'
The name-calling and finger-pointing continued between Republican Gov. Bruce Rauner and Democrats on Tuesday, this time on the next step to negotiating a massive budget proposal and how to proceed on extra money for Chicago Public Schools. The insults were traded as Mayor Rahm Emanuel was asked...
Think of this the 2 so called leaders acting like grade school bullies, how about a huge influx of money lets have a promoter do this 9 fingers vs richie rich bruce vs rahm in a cage match live, and since they are cozy with a 23 year old rapper chance could be the referee. typical morons as we are facing 100 billion plus deficits like 2 punk kids arguing really professional in a sick sort of way! Rahm grew up extremely wealthy just like bruce, what a pathetic bunch of pandering cowards.
Blood all over the streets and now name calling sickening! No wonder we are a world wide joke and not respected. wait until AG Sessions storms in with his teams to forensic audit this city and city hall,county,and state house the time is now. On another point this blog is read everyday by a friend of mine who works for the AG in Washington and so are many police blogs read to cull information, but was told this blog, the 1 blog called insignificant by the powers exempt pension grabbers, is the best laid out blog SCC wins again!
Let some of these " activists" walk a beat on the West side on a hot weekend, alone. But, give them diapers first
More and more they show "hello Eddie" the total lack of competence, Eddie your health is not good, things are closing in via the lyteanants examscam, Ed the legacy thing is gone, look at obama 8 years left us with nothing but broken promises, more poverty, higher crime rates, much higher debt the democratic way. Just retire Eddie it is in your best interest! Then you have the sore losers son kaines son arrested and police had to use force to arrest this punk rioting?
Sen. Kaine's son arrested at Trump rally in Minnesota
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/08/sen-kaines-son-arrested-at-trump-rally-in-minnesota.html
Guess maybe this kid was delusional thought he would have secret service protection and be secure, but he was still secure albeit locked in a cell where he belonged! democrats cause so much havoc and mayhem cannot wait until the AG Sessions finally comes here to give our city a good cleaning starting at city hall!
2:39 AM. posted the correct answer
End of discussion
Fear of receiving death or great bodily harm
Protect yourself
New Use If Force Amendment
If a gunman is shooting at you,
you must dodge the bullets while
announcing your Office
and quickly close distance with
said offender. Once you are with in
arms reach you must hug the offender
(Not to tight) until said offender
voluntarily drops his weapon and
ceases firing. If it is necessary
use only Department authorized communication device to signal
for help. Wait for backup huggers to join you until the threat is terminated.
Once threat is terminated return said weapon to (former offender) now friend and continue patrolling your beat using your Department issued cell phone with
HUNCH LAB AP in order to locate and properly document crime.
I would love to see a " big thinker" handle a guy high on PCP. They should also talk to those mean paramedics riding the ambulances ..getting attacked and their asses kicked for not " helping" fast enough.liberals can tolerate you getting whipped/it's your job. 🤔
It's the tail wagging the dog
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have never seen things so disorderly. Responded to street fight with numerous parties still onscene and still in each other's faces dissing etc. A bunch of coppers there with no one cuffed and no control. Old days all would be cuffed, on hood, pat down, name run and the scene controlled. This is unsafe and a joke...This old way of policing worked and needs to return fast. Period.
3/08/2017 12:28:00 AM
Who cares ?... Take it easy there fella... Learn to to just sit back and watch the show. Keep eyes on your fellow blue and that's it. Until someone calms down enough to ask for police service you can't really discren what's going on can you office. You think Rhamulous gives a shit? He's too busy laughing at cutting retiree health care benifits. If you want to be a pro active cowboy and "take control" by cuffing folks, you have all the freedom to do it. Just make sure though you articulate very well on that ISR why you cuffed dude and searched him. God forbid you violate someone's civil rights by not explaining your actions thoroughly word for word in your pursuit to 'control' the situation.
I think I'll not step into that until I am convinced that this dept at a minimum, will at least protect me legally and cover my ass for me doing my job. And right now I feel we're very far from expecting that to happen.
Sounds shitty and it is shitty. But the ACLU has been foisted upon us And coppers have been getting stripped for doing their job.
Shout out to class 99-1 18yrs!
Hey, lets stay within the Illinois code of deadly force and reinstitute using deadly force on a fleeing burglary suspect. That would be the first step in returning to police work.
Can Eddie Johnson take the entrance exam at this upcoming test in April, I honestly can say I don't think he would pass....
"No revision required. What is required is less scrutiny, second-guessing and more training.
Carry on."
^Agree, also how about we hire qualified applicants based on skills, rather than by the color of skin and what CPS school you attend... You can't expect to raise training standards when at the same time you lower hiring standards.... Not to say I believe this will ever happen because its unrealistic in this city..
I know this is off topic however, is it true that so-called activist Jedidiah Browns' real name is Darryl Eugene Coleman?
Is the IG and IODand IPRA done investigating WeeZee?
The Right Man for The Right Time™
Social Justice Reformer Special Ed and The ? Mysterians, always looking out for the welfare of the armed and angry street thug.
How about this -
Avoid the blame,
Apply the Stay Fetal Policy and don't ever worry about IPRA-COPA.
Save Gas - Go Slow.
"Can't get right " ahahahahahahah that fucking hilarious
Ahahahahahahah. He just can't get right boss
Ahahahahahahah
Screw NARCAN. Resurecting zombies who chose to destroy themselves isn't a good policy . All it does is waste more taxpayers money prolonging the inevitable
Since when does the public know the first fuckin thing about UOF and police SOP/operations? I don't have the opportunity to tell a brain surgeon how to do his job before he does a surgery because I don't know the first damn thing about brain surgery. Same fuckin principle applies here.Public Should NOT have a damn thing to say how we do our job. You don't like the way we have to use force sometimes to protect ourself/partner, then DONT FUCKIN CALL US FOR HELP!!!!! Handle your own shit.
12:28am BINGO!!! Hit it right on the head!!!
How about only allow supervisors to carry firearms. PO's only to have tasers.
Anonymous said...
Who is that standing next to special ed? Male? Female? Something inbetween? This department is fucked...
3/08/2017 06:06:00 AM
Meet your next superintendent should cover all necessary qualifications deemed by the EEOC...
3:23 PM. You're absolutely correct!!
Enough with following state law on use of force....
File a lawsuit for changing the use of force....
Other states are winning their cases. File the suit and you get pay out...on class action.
(OT) Bruce to the rescue:
BREAKING NEWS
Rauner to announce plan to combat hate crimes
In response to recent local acts of anti-Semitism and reports of increased hate crimes nationwide, Gov. Bruce Rauner on Wednesday will announce a multi-pronged effort to boost the investigation and prosecution of hate crimes through stronger laws and better education. Rauner will detail his four-point...
Ahh Bruce the laws are already on the books, maybe ask your advisor 23 year old chance what he thinks epic fail!
9-mar-17 30yrs This old wagonman has left the building lite up big cigar,God bless america, lived the dream
Commander ... my gold fish is sick
I need to be north!!!
Kim did you like the wine?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I "have more questions then answers"
You have to be special to get the answers.
Only thought that comes to mind is the officers being required to reduce force as assailant reduces his force. So does this mean you give the jagoff time to recoup and attack again? I say,if a mf opens a can he gets the whole fucking can.
The proper use of force model ought to be really simple:
1) If a cop tells you to drop the weapon - do it or get shot.
2) If you struggle with a cop who's trying to effect an arrest, you'll get a wood shampoo to begin with, and if you try to go for the cop's gun or punch the cop - you'll get shot.
3) If you get shot, the cop will call for an ambulance - AFTER securing the scene. Cops will not render medical aid to suspects.
4) If you shove a cop, try to punch a cop, scream in the face of a cop, etc. you'll get a wood shampoo. If you escalate the situation, you'll get shot.
5) If you don't obey the lawful orders of the cop (e.g.: to get the fuck out of the roadway), you'll be arrested. See #2.
6) If you're not involved in the situation, and the cop tells you to get back - do so. No bullshit, just get back. Watch from afar, the cop is dealing with a situation that doesn't involve you. Video if you want - whatever - just do it from afar so the cop doesn't have to worry about you trying to attack, or distract, or the arestee trying something because you're in the area. If you don't get back, expect to get arrested. If you struggle too, see #2.
7) If you shoot at a cop, you're getting shot.
8) If you pull a gun or other weapon on a cop, you're getting shot.
9) If you pull your shirt up and show a gun or other weapon to a cop, you're getting shot.
10) If you try to run over a cop with a vehicle, you're getting shot.
There ya go - 10 easy peasy things to remember which all boil down to:
Don't Be An Asshole and The Cop Won't Treat You Like One.
No lawyers to review, no public comment periods needed, hell - you can put this on ONE piece of paper and post it around the 'Community' so shit heads know precisely what's expected in order to not get shot.
No more major gun manufacturers. We go straight NERF going forward.
He should of said Thank you for all you do and lets make Chicago safe to live in again. He gives his cell number out to a gang banger. Rham you are Chicago's number 1 thug for hiring this moron.
The next thing will be that we are all required to be trained and carry Narcan. I refuse to administer this $hit in 10/11. Do the blows back in Hindsdale, Naperville, Downers Grove Grove, ect..., where they carry it.
"I think I'll not step into that until I am convinced that this dept at a minimum, will at least protect me legally and cover my ass for me doing my job. And right now I feel we're very far from expecting that to happen. "
Then you need to resign and go back to being a barista or selling shoes. You're a lost cause.Seriously.
please follow the link and comment intelligently
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have never seen things so disorderly. Responded to street fight with numerous parties still onscene and still in each other's faces dissing etc. A bunch of coppers there with no one cuffed and no control. Old days all would be cuffed, on hood, pat down, name run and the scene controlled. This is unsafe and a joke...This old way of policing worked and needs to return fast. Period.
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Retired for awhile too. The old days are long gone sir. The foot soldier's are just wanting to keep being gainfully employed. Let the trash, trash each other. No copper' hurt, no foul !
Then you need to resign and go back to being a barista or selling shoes. You're a lost cause. Seriously.
3/09/2017 12:30:00 AM
You are in denial or out of touch or an idiot.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hey, lets stay within the Illinois code of deadly force and reinstitute using deadly force on a fleeing burglary suspect. That would be the first step in returning to police work.
3/08/2017 11:02:00 AM
If this could only be enforced, watch all of the burglars and burglars just drop away.
09:58pm SPOT ON!!!!! Post that shit thru the S and W sides. Let shitville know what will happen.
Mr. SouthSide says---
Class 99-1? Still a bunch of rookies.
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