Reading is a Skill
Evidently, a bunch of tiny-brains don't know how to read an entire post. We'll put it up here again so you don't miss it:
- [Comments in which the only point is "do work or quit" will be deleted as per policy. Same with rip jobs on 016 "lazy cops" and crap like that. The same rules apply to all cops all the time - the enemy is management violating the law that would cost any normal cop his/her job if they did it.]
If you read the right hand side of the blog, you'll see RULE #7:
- Grammar nazi stuff = delete. Same goes for comments where the entire point is "quit the job."
But about thirty of you didn't seem to get the message. There were also a bunch of comprehension-impaired individuals who insist on claiming we typed things that don't appear anywhere in the posting:
- We "endorsed" the ACLU - where exactly? We said they monitor the blog. That's true.
- We are "legitimizing" the ACLU. Are you dense? Legitimizing how? THEY READ THE BLOG. We warned everyone. They've been reading it longer than you probably.
- "Fuck you SSC." Wow, good for you. You can spell "Fuck." Too bad you can't spell SCC.
- We are somehow "communists" for pointing out the fight is against management. Dude, do you even know how to red-bait? Were you born after the Iron Curtain fell? You're an idiot.
- We are deleting "people who disagree." Again, reading is a skill - learn it. We said we were deleting posts that relied on "rip jobs on 016 "lazy cops" and crap like that." If you have a point, make it. If you can't without resorting to the stuff that we TOLD YOU we were going to delete, then that's on you, and you're obviously a moron.
- We are "sticking up for the dogs." Again, where? We clearly stated that rip jobs would be deleted, because we didn't feel like wading through the crap that inevitably shows up in posts like this, where the only "real cops" are from [pick a district.] We know plenty of "real cops" in slow retirement districts and they went there to get away from the daily ghetto grind. Some of them brag about getting a total of three paper jobs a week, while we slog a dozen-plus. Good for them - that doesn't make them "dogs." That makes them smart. We aren't going to get into the manpower thing again - 016 has cars sitting idle every watch because there aren't cops to drive them. 011 has cops riding three and four deep because there aren't enough cars - we have emails from them all. Someone not backing up another cop is inexcusable. If it happens where you work, make noise, file a CR - oh wait, then you're a "rat" or something. We're lucky - dogs are few and far between where we've been. Don't blame us for what the Department has become.
- "It's only one stop, what's the harm?" Yeah, and it was only $2.00 when the health care costs started. Let us know how that one is looking on your check lately.
A quota is bad police work. Period. Once you start down that road, nothing good has ever come of it. Feel free to disagree, politely and making sense, within the vast latitude we've defined. Otherwise, don't expect to see your comment - we don't feel like wading through the crap.
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posted by SCC at 12:06 AM
116 Comments:
SCC it like the guy who work housing then gets caught up.
Then he wants FOP to back him on a CHA job he volunteered for.
ARE they scabs who want cash? I don't have an answer.
I could see the point in not doing anything in communities that don't support the police. But in 016 where residents like the police and thousands of cops and city workers live how could you seriously drive around all day and not do anything? There are plety of coppers that would love to work there and would actually do poloce work.
Quotas are illegal per Illinois Supreme Court.
A real change would be to demand accountability from management when it comes to quota based policing. We talk a big game about what to do when the topic is brought up by management. But does anyone ever do it? I think if we were to call them out (through the proper channels) these silly moments would go away.
But in order to do all that, you must rock the boat.
"Blog Posting For Dummies", is available now at Barnes and Noble for those unable to follow simple posting protocols.
I've often wondered how much of your time is wasted reading insipid comments and keeping them from appearing on the blog which saves us from wasting our time. Just one more thing that we, the reader, should thank you for. While i don't always agree with you - i appreciate all that you do and the uncompensated time spent on providing us a forum. No matter which gold star club buffoon maintains that you're "insignificant."
Retired. .38 spl +P
No quota in 010 but that annoying white shirt who call himself the Rock is still there. I repeat everyone on the watch thinks you are annoying.
SCC spanks willfully ignorant adult children's asses
and sends them to bed early with no supper...
We don't envy you at all, SCC.
Those flushed comments must've made for
quite a headache and eye sore.
"The Police in Chicago are the problem.
Once we fix THEM, everything else will fall in place.
Police Like You Have No Friends.
It's working...
Respond.
Drop a report.
Whistle for the body-snatchers.
Watch CFD hose the blood, brains, teeth,
skull fragments and shit into the gutters.
Roll to the next spasm of savagery in the play being
put on by the Urban Contemporary Players and repeat.
Have NO interaction with anyone.
Bring your lunches.
Survive.
Endure.
Escape.
CPS grads no doubt. Our tax dollars at work.
SCC,it sounds to me like you need a nice vacation. Don't let the illiterate bunch on this job stress you out. An old timer once told me, "kid,you can't fix stupid and this department needs a lot of repair."
All I know is I work in the hood and I just go out and get heads. Gotta get a head everyday bro. I go out and hunt for heads everyday. petty shit mostly, but who cares it counts towards my stats brah. my sgt gives me early ducks when i bring in loose cigarette pinches, piss bums, or lock up juvies that i chase for trespassing on abandos. what are isrs and reasonable suspicion? real police for life!!
(Way off Topic) I apologize for my rant, I'm between a rock and a hard place, soon approaching 40 years of age, going through CPD process with half of the college credits needed to get hired, is there anyway(s) to get fast "College Credits" and or sign any type of waiver or promissory note/form to finish college and that will get me in the CPD??? Life, ultimately was very busy for me raising a family and making fantastic money straight out of H.S. "CPD" has been a dream job of mine since the age of 5. Long history of Family on the Job, 3 generations long. Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thank you! God Bless
Let's not forget that in order to be eligible to work VRI, you need to meet certain requirements, i.e. a certain number of arrests, movers, parkers, etc...or also known as a quota!
Anonymous said...
Let's not forget that in order to be eligible to work VRI, you need to meet certain requirements, i.e. a certain number of arrests, movers, parkers, etc...or also known as a quota!
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Voluntary - completely different animal
To CPD wannabe: Why? Do you not own a TV? Read the news? This job is a mess
Hmmm, I donno but numerous officers from 025 are now in 016. Puzzling..
In fairness I have my own qoutas. I remind myself that I must get out of the car at least 3 times in a tour so as not to fall asleep. Safety is important you know. I also make sure I reached my required 2 meals and 2 cups of coffee through the tour. Quotas can be good
It is painful to read above that a man approaching 40 and seeing his hire to the CPD as a dream job. Son, you need to pay more attention to current events.
I read this post... I don't get it. Can you explain it again?
Police work is over just write a report move on
Insipid comments are my life.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
About 20 years ago, a Sgt told me "5 parkers and a mover a day, keeps the bosses away"....
That may have been true then, but what's true now is that there are no more "bosses" on this job. Only puppets.
Only "go along to get along" types who just want the pay bump and the extra pension.
Other than that, real supervisors no longer exist.
So, answer your calls, back each other up and do what you have to.
Nothing more, nothing less.
I wish you guys would stop working VRI!!!
The city is wagging the carrot in front of the horse.
The more VRI you guys work, the less cops hired, less money in the pension and of course less backup on the streets.
Whom ever thought of this program really figured out how to screw you dimwitts out of your longevity.
In regards to these idiots advocating officers quit the job I couldn't agree with SCC more. I clearly remember working with disgruntled fucks who made for a very long 8 hrs. These pricks were so hateful in regards to everything about this job you wondered when they were going to resign but the funny thing about those assholes was they never did. One time I asked if they hated the job as much as they said they did why didn't they resign? They shut up shortly after that.
No quota in 010 but that annoying white shirt who call himself the Rock is still there. I repeat everyone on the watch thinks you are annoying.
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What else would you guys expect from a merit Sgt?
You can get College Credits by taking CLEP test, it stands for College level Examination Process, ask your local College about it.
5/11/2017 12:20 AM
Yes! I agree 100%
Sec please printed. As a nonclouted. P.o. and vet. A shoutout to. The. Montana
First responders who found. And rescue the. Woman. From river. Forest,ill
Imagine how much better we would all be if the CPD was run like the Trump administration. Just think about that for a moment.
You should apply for CFD. You'll be disappointed if you come to your dream job ( from TV and movies) and find out you're main job is to be an overpaid secretary. And who doesn't love those guys who sit in front all day washing a truck , exercising all day and getting a good nights sleep?
5/11/2017 02:10:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
(Way off Topic) I apologize for my rant, I'm between a rock and a hard place, soon approaching 40 years of age, going through CPD process with half of the college credits needed to get hired, is there anyway(s) to get fast "College Credits" and or sign any type of waiver or promissory note/form to finish college and that will get me in the CPD??? Life, ultimately was very busy for me raising a family and making fantastic money straight out of H.S. "CPD" has been a dream job of mine since the age of 5. Long history of Family on the Job, 3 generations long. Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thank you! God Bless
Ultimately the only person who can make you do good honest police work is you. How do you feel about yourself when you look in the mirror. That being said in the current climate I would find it difficult to take aggressive action anywhere.
I thought it was " listening is a skill"? LONG LIVE FROST!!!
Quota's, especially with that drunk from NYNY, ruined this job. And pie charts, and expecting productivity as if it were an assembly line job. Because we all know its a phony patronage job at its heart. You shine your shoe's, do your job, make your pinches, come to work when you have the sniffles, and still you might get messed with by some moron who's clout made them a Boss. Nothing is more disheatening, and then they want quota's? And find cute little end arounds on saying it?
Keep going with the truth SCC. One day it will set us free. After 30 years maybe, at least when were 63yo.
The sad thing is SCC that the whiners think they will get something out of being super workers.
Work because you like it, but don't worry about others. Few, very few, get merit promotions for being workers.
Is this Rahmns plan to fix pension problem, kill us all off!!!
How about letting coppers work the homefront for straight pay or half pay? Only way you will see a coppers in your neighborhood
"I could see the point in not doing anything in communities that don't support the police. But in 016 where residents like the police and thousands of cops and city workers live how could you seriously drive around all day and not do anything? There are plety of coppers that would love to work there and would actually do poloce work."
Most communities, even those in 007, 011, collectively support the police. We're just coming in contact with the anti-police, criminal element at a much higher frequency. I understand the idea of "staying fetal," but your wrong in believing one area deserves more police work over another.
Police 016 the same as you would 015 or 011 and watch how quickly you're screwed with by the community and management. Ask anyone who has ever worked there and they'll agree. Also be prepared to answer for every type of significant call you didn't prevent. Where were you during the robbery? Where were you doing the auto theft? Where were you when the building was burglarized? To work effectively in 016 (or any other police district) you have to THINK first. You cannot treat people the way many do in these other districts.
You will effectively provide more of a presence (and possibly prevent crime) driving around all day than sitting in a hole (as many do). Or pulling over every vehicle you encounter to appease management or fulfill VRI. You will also serve that area more being available for a call then transporting one into 016 for a TVB, and the entire beat (in a district already undermanned) is now without any car. I don't know about you or anyone else, but where I live -- I dont care if the beat car pulls over anyone. Just be available to respond to whatever comes up, because we all know we cant be everywhere at once
Be smart about how you police. Does 1 good stop a day with documentation REALLY change anything? Of course not, it's only a management tool to get a little out of everyone so activity for the watch is respectable. By no means am I suggesting to do nothing in 016, but don't extend yourself to get numbers
In response to (Way off Topic).....
Take a bunch of summer classes at a community college. Some only run a few weeks.
Don't get pissed at SCC because you don't know how to follow the rules or because 016 is going to shit like the rest of the city (wait until your aldermen put up CHA housing like they just promised). The coppers that work there don't wanna be and shouldn't have to be forced to do any kind of work in your beloved district. Kiss his second city ass!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
(Way off Topic) I apologize for my rant, I'm between a rock and a hard place, soon approaching 40 years of age, going through CPD process with half of the college credits needed to get hired, is there anyway(s) to get fast "College Credits" and or sign any type of waiver or promissory note/form to finish college and that will get me in the CPD??? Life, ultimately was very busy for me raising a family and making fantastic money straight out of H.S. "CPD" has been a dream job of mine since the age of 5. Long history of Family on the Job, 3 generations long. Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thank you! God Bless
In case you haven't been paying attention, your "dream job" has gradually morphed into a nightmare.
This is something your three generations of family on the job can break down for you, as they (ostensibly) have seen its heyday and ultimate decay over those years.
Also, and not begrudging your age because I'm an old man myself, this is a young man's game. Jumping in on the ground floor at close to 40 isn't something most of us with time OTJ would recommend, even if you're in decent physical shape.
Then there's having to live in this hellhole, pension funding woes, healthcare/insurance issues, rigged promotional opportunities, historically shitty contracts/raises and my favorite: being treated as second class citizens while illegal immigrants are regarded as more important than first responders in this World Class (sanctuary) City.
Seriously... if you [still?] have the ability to make 'fantastic money' without risking your physical, mental and financial well-being with regularity - as is oftentimes the case for us low level CPD blue shirt grunts - dismiss this dream as frivolous. Unless you're hooked in and will be gifted with a cozy, do-nothing insulated spot immediately after your training cycles are complete, I wouldn't wish this job on my worst enemy.
You're welcome.
So if there's nothing to do up north and no one to do it to, ur only going to wind up hammering a city worker or someone's kid or family member. Ur not pulling over jagoffs on any kind of regular basis. I'm all for fucking over the asshole who thinks "don't you have anything better to do"??? That "one" stop may be someone u know or family of someone u know. Fuck this department when they think they can dictate when and how we do police work. I'll let u know when I'm ready to write someone and not a second sooner.
To the poster needing college credits to come on this job. Get your degree and then get a job. Just not cpd. Dont waste your time. And Im telling you this and I dont even know you. I give my own kids the same advice, and I love them. With almost 27 years on, I cant even think of what this job will look like not only to guys getting on now but when they hit 20 years. Non pro schola sed pro vita.
(Way off Topic) I apologize for my rant, I'm between a rock and a hard place, soon approaching 40 years of age, going through CPD process with half of the college credits needed to get hired, is there anyway(s) to get fast "College Credits" and or sign any type of waiver or promissory note/form to finish college and that will get me in the CPD??? Life, ultimately was very busy for me raising a family and making fantastic money straight out of H.S. "CPD" has been a dream job of mine since the age of 5. Long history of Family on the Job, 3 generations long. Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thank you! God Bless
5/11/2017 02:25:00 AM
Find yourself a college that offers 'life credits'. Usually, you have to write a paper or submit a project, but you can pick up about a year's worth of credits just by paying tuition and not much else.
Then, please, choose another career path. Being the police is not what you want to be doing with the rest of your life. Been there.
You can get credits at the City Colleges by taking tests and passing them.
12:20 AM...." how could you seriously drive around all day and not do anything ? "
I'm not a cop, but I very much appreciate ANY cop driving around 019 , cruising alleys ( where back doors get kicked in TOO often ) or eyeballing 4-5 teens on the street ( just let them know someone's around watching...God ( or ACLU ) forbid they should be stopped and asked any questions.. RATHER THAN MAKING ONE QUESTIONABLE STOP for some piddly traffic no- no, just to appease some stat- watcher .
P.S. Love the " patience" ,SCC, in handling the typical internet " ranters" you must encounter.
SCC, as you know a problem with blog posting here is all of the non-police and supporters of the politicians that are posting crap. Usually coppers and retired coppers can smell BS and distinguish when we see such posts, but others reading this blog are unable to do so. Soros backed Leftist groups and other Community organizer types post a lot to Conservative websites and blogs in order to just stir up crap. Thanks SCC for what you do to prevent a lot of that BS from appearing here.
There is ONE quota that is acceptable and that is to answer all calls for service dispatched and execute quality rights based police work when doing so. This how to meet any requirement for promotion - doing good police work.
Someone asks how a cop can drive around all day and not do anything, how can that possibly be? ! ?! I know, how about when patrolling an area where nobody is doing anything wrong, bothering anyone else or like stealing or shooting at anyone or anything in malice?
Cops who bother Citizens for the sake of "doing something" are the ones that give cops a bad name, give policing itself a bad name. The day a cop doesn't have anything to do is like a day a fireman has nothing to do - a GOOD DAY! So quit ruining it with stupidity.
Rotten Rahm will frown, No priority given to former CPS student posts.
Thing about those quotas...
What happens when you didn't get the bosses magic number with a sandbag red-light right after roll call, but instead you're stuck on a all day detail or some other bs job?
Chances are one is going to rush and either double up the next day or go scrounging like a maniac for anything to pacify the crybaby shaky-jake Lt.
Haste makes waste.
Don't squander your sanity on a knucklehead who still thinks it's 1995.
Stay Fetal-stay together.
Numbers are for ppo's, management and office mice.
Anonymous said...
(Way off Topic) I apologize for my rant, I'm between a rock and a hard place, soon approaching 40 years of age, going through CPD process with half of the college credits needed to get hired, is there anyway(s) to get fast "College Credits" and or sign any type of waiver or promissory note/form to finish college and that will get me in the CPD??? Life, ultimately was very busy for me raising a family and making fantastic money straight out of H.S. "CPD" has been a dream job of mine since the age of 5. Long history of Family on the Job, 3 generations long. Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thank you! God Bless
5/11/2017 02:25:00 AM
If you value yourself and you love your family,
cast your bucket down anywhere else but CPD.
Seriously...
If you have the law Enforcement itch, be The Police
where not only it's appreciated, but you don't have
a target on your back and you're not considered a
societal "Less Than" by virtue of having sworn an oath
and wearing a particular color suit of clothing.
(Analogy:
Police Uniform = Red flag in front of every enraged bull in the
general vicinity. Prepare for yourself and your ox
to be summarily gored repeatedly.)
...Let alone having an emblem of office pinned to your shirt.
Every man according to his conscience and that which
he thinks will allow him to stand before his God...
As for being short on college credit?
Check with your local accredited institution of
higher learning and inquire about C.L.E.P.
(College-Level Examination Program)
You can test for a limited amount of college credit
at 3 semester hours per successful exam.
If we remember correctly if you sat for everything,
it worked out to approximately half the amount of the credit
required for an Associate's Degree.
Good Luck.
How many of those comprehension impaired
children who had their posts flushed,
clog up a lot of SCC bandwidth crying
about how they can never cut a reasonably
respectable score on promotional exams?
With that, we imagine SCC being like
an Algebra teacher we had from way back...
His exams and pop quizzes were brutal
but amusing and effective.
He would call your name and tell you
if you did excellent, good, or you need
to follow the process better.
God help you if he denounced your
work as "Doo-Doo," made an airplane
out of it and floated said "Doo-Doo"
across the classroom and into the trash.
He was quite the marksman too...
"Man... This is Doo-Doo..."
>Fold - Float - Clunk<
Lol. I llove it SCC
Don't hate on CHA just because you don't have the time to get it.
Check online courses maybe
I agree with .38 special
Thanks for all that you do shining light on these cockroaches known as democrats in this city.
Comprehension impaired individuals lol
This sad but true nothing ever happens to these so called leaders, they do not get dumped hell some even get promoted. They can say and do what ever they want all in the name of clout and merit with no repercussions but if a P.O does some minor infraction he or she will be dealt with severely. No justice for the rank and file and they wonder why morale is in the toilet and supervisors get no respect.
Your response left out the most important part:
"Ya don't like the way this blog is run ? Then START YER OWN !!!"
It's the 'merican Way, after all...................
Yo Yo Baby Ma Ma is scheduled to perform at St Sabina, sorry couldn't resist, I'm going to lay down now...
(OT) great news headline:
Deportation fears stop some LA County immigrants from applying for EBT program
http://www.dailynews.com/government-and-politics/20170510/deportation-fears-stop-some-la-county-immigrants-from-applying-for-ebt-program
If we could do that here and then have rahm stop disobedience to federal laws we could fully fund the pension, stop building unnecessary schools, hire more police watch crime fall make alderman Ray Lopez of Brighton park carnage area happy come on governor save taxpayers money force the issue obey the law God bless the police!
2:10am....I hope that was all sarcasm in your post because if you're serious, you sound like a goof.
OT- response last week in 016 to the bangers sporting a pistol near Long/Windsor was outstanding. Didn't see one lazy dog out there, 12 plus cars an LT out looking through yards with the blue shirts and TAC. Too many complainers on here, go see a counselor to get that stick removed from your ass.
(Way off Topic) I apologize for my rant, I'm between a rock and a hard place, soon approaching 40 years of age, going through CPD process with half of the college credits needed to get hired, is there anyway(s) to get fast "College Credits" and or sign any type of waiver or promissory note/form to finish college and that will get me in the CPD??? Life, ultimately was very busy for me raising a family and making fantastic money straight out of H.S. "CPD" has been a dream job of mine since the age of 5. Long history of Family on the Job, 3 generations long. Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thank you! God Bless
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Take 4 classes over summer and 6 in fall, that'll get you 30 credits. Don't think online Uni's are accepted. Good luck!
OT - More states follow Trump's assault on 'sanctuary cities'
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/11/states-crack-down-on-sanctuary-cities-president-trump/101516080/
Hallelujah!
I beg to differ with you, but when we started paying for health care it was $5 a paycheck. Or for the math challenged, that would be $10 a month. And for those of you who weren't there it was because the Chgo Fire Dept went along with it. It did go to arbitration and we lost. The arbiter stated that $5 was a fair price and that paying, even that amount, was inevitable. And from there the city raised the rate whenever they could. And that's the story.
CBs are the only thing that matter
A few colleges give life experience credit to students who enroll. Calumet College of St Joseph and Lewis University does also, don't know about St Xavier. Basically you write papers on how your work history, things your accomplished etc can be allied to some of the basic academic requirements. You just pay for the number or hours you are applying for, and them actually go to the classes one day a week day or night to finish your degree. Worthing those papers might put you at the hours you need. Call either of them and inquire. It might get you there. Your not going to walk out as a rocket scientist... but you get some college lernin.
I'm sorry boys and girls, but your supervisors do have the right to know what you do during your tour and do have the right to confront you if they feel that you are not doing your job.
Much of the law is based on a standard of being reasonable. Is it reasonable that a police officer can go his whole tour without seeing something that could be addressed either by citation, arrest, or verbal warning? How about 2 days, 5, 2 weeks, a month? At some point it does become unreasonable and they can take actions to correct the situation. In the suburban departments you would be fired for consistently bringing in zeros. As far as naming people in a list, they do have the right to identify possible "issues" and make corrective measures. In fact, that is expected of supervisors. That being said, putting a direct number per day on citations would constitute a quota. Expecting at least one stop or document-able interaction is not a quota, REQUIRING one (or definitely 10) would be. But good luck trying to convince joe citizen or a judge that it is ok for you to do absolutely nothing while the murder and crime rates keep going up.
The big issue is that the cpd promotes people into supervisory positions who have absolutely no qualifications to properly do the job. There are ways to address these issues without demanding specific numbers and black listing officers. Any supervisor who currently has a watch that is "out performing" last years numbers by over 30% should be thrilled, not sending out naughty lists. But this is cpd, the land of very few real supervisors.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
(Way off Topic) I apologize for my rant, I'm between a rock and a hard place, soon approaching 40 years of age, going through CPD process with half of the college credits needed to get hired, is there anyway(s) to get fast "College Credits" and or sign any type of waiver or promissory note/form to finish college and that will get me in the CPD??? Life, ultimately was very busy for me raising a family and making fantastic money straight out of H.S. "CPD" has been a dream job of mine since the age of 5. Long history of Family on the Job, 3 generations long. Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thank you! God Bless.
Take basket weaving 101. You only need credits, not a degree. So take a ton of nonsense easy classes that bump your credits to 60hrs.
Heh...
A lot of fawning gold star Gumpstat
hockey dot smoochers are lurking around.
"If you guys don't bring in activity,
we get yelled at at Compstat!"
You clouted fools make BIG
money so getting yelled at
by bigger clouted fools
shouldn't be a problem
since you've surrendered
any claim to hurt feelings,
let alone slighted manhood
and injured pride.
I beg to differ with you, but when we started paying for health care it was $5 a paycheck. Or for the math challenged, that would be $10 a month. And for those of you who weren't there it was because the Chgo Fire Dept went along with it. It did go to arbitration and we lost. The arbiter stated that $5 was a fair price and that paying, even that amount, was inevitable. And from there the city raised the rate whenever they could. And that's the story.
and I differ with you 1.) it was 2$ a check and 2)an arbitrator cannot make any decision on an issue that was not opened up in negotiations, therefor if the Union(Dineen, Degelo, and the rest of their ilk) had refused to even discuss it the arbitrator could not have entered it into his decision.
Remember it well as that was part of the ticket slowdown contract, that we voted down and since we voted it down the city refused to negotiate with us, but since health care was in it it could be considered by the arbitrator
I gotta say something to this nicely typed out statement.
I'm sorry boys and girls, but your supervisors do have the right to know what you do during your tour and do have the right to confront you if they feel that you are not doing your job.
Much of the law is based on a standard of being reasonable. Is it reasonable that a police officer can go his whole tour without seeing something that could be addressed either by citation, arrest, or verbal warning? How about 2 days, 5, 2 weeks, a month? At some point it does become unreasonable and they can take actions to correct the situation. In the suburban departments you would be fired for consistently bringing in zeros. As far as naming people in a list, they do have the right to identify possible "issues" and make corrective measures. In fact, that is expected of supervisors. That being said, putting a direct number per day on citations would constitute a quota. Expecting at least one stop or document-able interaction is not a quota, REQUIRING one (or definitely 10) would be. But good luck trying to convince joe citizen or a judge that it is ok for you to do absolutely nothing while the murder and crime rates keep going up.
The big issue is that the cpd promotes people into supervisory positions who have absolutely no qualifications to properly do the job. There are ways to address these issues without demanding specific numbers and black listing officers. Any supervisor who currently has a watch that is "out performing" last years numbers by over 30% should be thrilled, not sending out naughty lists. But this is cpd, the land of very few real supervisors
If you studied lawsuit and discrimination you will know that grading is impossible.
1) what does a lock up keeper, desk officer, commander secretary or old guy hiding get rated for NO activity for years including parkers?
2) You will notice on those cute evaluation white shirts do are very bland. You were given templates for evaluations because many supervisor would write blatantly stupid shit which would lead to lawsuit sexism yadda yadda yadda.
3) Supervisor have NO RECORDS! do you keep a file on each of your beat cars? calls for service case reports made etc?
4) sergeants AINT really management! They don't hire,fire, or chose personal.
5) If you rate 1 desk person above a dog ass copper who have no numbers but actually have the same title code what do you call it. What happens no if that dog officer is Gay, Black,Female or any other flavor protected by law.
so go ahead ask for all the preprinted TO FROMs that you do not retain by law and throw in the garbage. WHITE shirts have to fear being under the bus too.
The white-shirts on this job are tone-deaf. So it's about time they feel the crush just like the beat copper has for the past few years. They're not getting any activity out of me just to make themselves look good at the next circle-jerk.
And for those who asked what this job will look like 20 years from now...just walk into your neighborhood post office and get a good look at the postal employees. That's exactly what this job will look like in the near future!
boys and girls, but your supervisors do have the right to know what you do during your tour and do have the right to confront you if they feel that you are not doing your job.
Much of the law is based on a standard of being reasonable. Is it reasonable that a police officer can go his whole tour without seeing something that could be addressed either by citation, arrest, or verbal warning? How about 2 days, 5, 2 weeks, a month?
How come Sgts and Lt's can waste 9 hours doing nothing? If the Gold Star wants numbers maybe ya all should step up too. Team work. And spare us the "it's my job to make you do your job" B.S.. You took an oath, remember?
There are still some Great Supervisor out there. I am one,among them. I still work the Districts. I inform the troops, I back them up, I take care of them in my ways, we have a professional working relationship and Respect runs both ways. We even hang out from time to time off duty. You guys know these Supervisors and by the I'm Sergeant. Let's be fair now, quite over reacting and throwing all Supervisors under the bus.
Here's the real story on our paying for health insurance. It was in a contract that was approved by the membership, and in exchange we got prescription drug coverage. This never went to arbitration. Don't believe me? Ask John Dineen.
A Mesa AZ, police officer shot and injured a man who threatened to light a bomb Tuesday morning, and technicians tried to diffuse an unknown device found at the scene.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm sorry boys and girls, but your supervisors do have the right to know what you do during your tour and do have the right to confront you if they feel that you are not doing your job.
Much of the law is based on a standard of being reasonable. Is it reasonable that a police officer can go his whole tour without seeing something that could be addressed either by citation, arrest, or verbal warning? How about 2 days, 5, 2 weeks, a month? At some point it does become unreasonable and they can take actions to correct the situation. In the suburban departments you would be fired for consistently bringing in zeros. As far as naming people in a list, they do have the right to identify possible "issues" and make corrective measures. In fact, that is expected of supervisors. That being said, putting a direct number per day on citations would constitute a quota. Expecting at least one stop or document-able interaction is not a quota, REQUIRING one (or definitely 10) would be. But good luck trying to convince joe citizen or a judge that it is ok for you to do absolutely nothing while the murder and crime rates keep going up.
The big issue is that the cpd promotes people into supervisory positions who have absolutely no qualifications to properly do the job. There are ways to address these issues without demanding specific numbers and black listing officers. Any supervisor who currently has a watch that is "out performing" last years numbers by over 30% should be thrilled, not sending out naughty lists. But this is cpd, the land of very few real supervisors.
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This is pretty accurate. The General Orders allow for supervision and corrective action. You guys have been lucky that the supervisors do not understand the orders. I read the orders. There are many things that the supervisors can do to make you work.
To 0225am. As much as that Harold Washington college is useless you can sign up for College Level Entrance Program or CLEP tests. You may be able to accumulate 20-30 hrs by taking 3-5 tests all within a matter of a month. English math Spanish and others. By now it may cost about 100 or more per test.
Wrong. Kind of like the old policy of 10 and go. The intent is still there. "The law prevents police departments from assigning an officer a specific number of citations to issue in a given period of time and also stops agencies from comparing officers based on how many tickets they write."
Again the department is in violation. But don't worry you will keep your job at VRI doing the assignments.
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Voluntary - completely different animal
I worked in a north side beat heavily populated by city workers and it was a miserable experience. I'd rather deal with the modest expectations of some ghetto area than a beat where EVERYTHING is under a microscope. I was one of those who policed the "homecfront," pulled over vehicles, wrote lawful contact cards (in the distant world of several years ago) and ANOV'd whenever possible. One warm summer month I arrested (with signed complaints) someone related to a CPD boss. It was unknown at the time, but even if it was the arrest was unavoidable. Next week I'm off the car and my start times screwed with. Bosses say they're looking to shake things up and there's no hard feelings. Luckily within the month I was onto better things outside the district level
Fellow officers act like it's a dream to work the homefront, but make no mistake - you will still have your share of incidents to jam you up. And if the command staff (Commander, LT, Sgts) live in the beat you're working, be prepared for unreasonable expectations. Of course the likelihood of an OIS is reduced, but don't discount the possibility. Look at what happened in 022 with the funeral procession. Or in 019 outside a CVS.
To (way off topic) you may go to the City Colleges of Chicago main office and pay for some tests. e.g. math (algebra), Spanish, English whatever topic you pay for this tests, once you pass the test they will provide you with 3 credit hours per class, so a total of 12. {which would be equal to english 101,102,103,104}. You have to pay for the total of what would be 12 semester credit hours though. hope this helps you out. Good Luck.
What "quotas" does the ACLU have to fulfill?
Don't tell me they don't need numbers.
Every business, private or government, runs on "numbers".
Just axin
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sec please printed. As a nonclouted. P.o. and vet. A shoutout to. The. Montana
First responders who found. And rescue the. Woman. From river. Forest,ill
5/11/2017 08:23:00 AM
Was that comment sent by telegram?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I could see the point in not doing anything in communities that don't support the police. But in 016 where residents like the police and thousands of cops and city workers live how could you seriously drive around all day and not do anything? There are plety of coppers that would love to work there and would actually do poloce work.
5/11/2017 12:20:00 AM
Like on the Current/Perpetual Complaint from the wards about Buses and Limos and Semi's parking around the District.
Only time I see them get ticketed is if that guy from Finance that posts here from time to time is working in Ward 45/41.
How hard is it to drop a Parking Ticket for the No Brainer, Shouldn't be parked here stuff? 9-64-170 something if I recall right.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Quotas are illegal per Illinois Supreme Court.
5/11/2017 12:26:00 AM
Not a cop here, but a question based off that point.
Is that memo in the below post just a CBA violation or an actual State Law violation?
Could that memo actually get someone arrested or just a grievance?
Here it is in a Nutshell. If you thought that you could be a millionaire on this job then your a fool. Unless your politically connected or a thief. Maybe you roll a Drug dealer see whee that gets you Fed prison. VRI special cops making extra money for a better school or car. It's what you take home. Yes cops made 150k to 200k how much tax did they pay. Double edge sword. Scabs no then every side gig would be scab labor. I worked 60hrs a week now I'm hurt. Where did it get me.
"I could see the point in not doing anything in communities that don't support the police. But in 016 where residents like the police and thousands of cops and city workers live how could you seriously drive around all day and not do anything? There are plety of coppers that would love to work there and would actually do poloce work."
The locals might not be so supportive if the cops develop a reputation for ticketing 36 in a 35 zone, stopping random people for really lame reasons 'just in case,' and other such shenanigans that the quota mindset encourages. Food for thought, yeah?
Somebody better tell the folks, and people, at St Sabina that YO-YO MA isn't a rapper.
I am retired but was taught a long time ago : Don't worry about the other guy(dogs) just worry about you and your partner.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I beg to differ with you, but when we started paying for health care it was $5 a paycheck. Or for the math challenged, that would be $10 a month. And for those of you who weren't there it was because the Chgo Fire Dept went along with it. It did go to arbitration and we lost. The arbiter stated that $5 was a fair price and that paying, even that amount, was inevitable. And from there the city raised the rate whenever they could. And that's the story.
5/11/2017 03:50:00 PM
I don't know where you were but when it started it was two dollars a check. That's what the fire department agreed to and that's what started the whole mess
calling all cars....I have been working voluntary special employment since I got off probation October 1991 and until now I'm working Voluntary Reduction Ininiative (VRI) Michigan Ave 1600 hours start this requires activity ACLU just ask CPD Special Events "Commander" if I don't meet my "quota" I the computer program defaults with an answer "Insufficient Activity " this is a quota in violation of the spirit of Illinois law!!!!!!!
Lodge FOP!!!!!!! Hello just ask the lodge members who are on the payroll earning our monthly dues,,,,,,!
45th Ward Business people!
Have you been strong armed by Alderman John Arena for donations?
Tavern owners! Has he been overly aggressive raising funds?
Contact the Chicago FBI at (312)421-6700
First one on the bus gets the best seat.........
Anonymous Anonymous said...
(Way off Topic) I apologize for my rant, I'm between a rock and a hard place, soon approaching 40 years of age, going through CPD process with half of the college credits needed to get hired, is there anyway(s) to get fast "College Credits" and or sign any type of waiver or promissory note/form to finish college and that will get me in the CPD??? Life, ultimately was very busy for me raising a family and making fantastic money straight out of H.S. "CPD" has been a dream job of mine since the age of 5. Long history of Family on the Job, 3 generations long. Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thank you! God Bless.
Overnight a large envelope to your respective aldercreature containing your 2017-18 "political contribution" in small non-sequential bills...
(OT) wow pizza at crook county jail changes lives:
http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/254139521-story
Funding Chicago police pension fund would really change lives!
Remember the 70's Ad campaign? RIF. Reading Is Fundamental.
See what happens when those ad campaigns are cancelled?
I have no problem working with a disgruntled patrolman. At least they're I patrol and not in CAPS or some hidden inside spot. Anyone that works CAPS should take a pay cut, seriously.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
(Way off Topic) I apologize for my rant, I'm between a rock and a hard place, soon approaching 40 years of age, going through CPD process with half of the college credits needed to get hired, is there anyway(s) to get fast "College Credits" and or sign any type of waiver or promissory note/form to finish college and that will get me in the CPD??? Life, ultimately was very busy for me raising a family and making fantastic money straight out of H.S. "CPD" has been a dream job of mine since the age of 5. Long history of Family on the Job, 3 generations long. Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thank you! God Bless.
Don't let all the negative nonsense you see here dissuade you from coming on. This is still a great job. It's a good paying job as well. Sure there is a lot of BS to deal with but every job has a level of BS that you can't avoid. I've been on 24 years and still enjoy the job. Part of the reason I still enjoy the job is attitude I bring to work. If you come to work worried about what perks others are getting you'll be in for a long unhappy career.
Damn, I'm speechless about my asking in regards to College Credits😞 I appreciate the feedback and now my eyes are wide open. I did ignore my Investigators comment when he sat me down and asked "why the Effff do you want this" and my Fathers Comment telling me " you don't want this JOB" Both of whom have 32 and 31 years on CPD. Individually they told me "kid stay where your at"! I just laughed at their comments but reading the responses here just made me change my mind and that's exactly what I think I may have needed. Thank you all for the helpful insight. Stay Safe!
Great blog. Ignore the nitpickers.
Can anyone comment on how widespread homeless in CTA trains has become?
Short video here: https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2c2_1494560464
Scc, I stopped reading this blog years ago... Couldn't stand all the Monday morning quarter backing and internet tough guys. I only looked today because I heard about the posts about Tony Escamilla who I knew years back, and he was a stroke back then. But seriously dogs have been a few and far between in the units you were in? Gimme a break I'd love to know what those units were. Let's face facts, being generous 20% of the personnel in every unit are dogs. I'm not talking about the officers who did their time in the grind and have slowed down. I'm talking about the ones who were never the police and have dogged their jobs and if they caught one held it down for hours on end. Or sat back and basically watched everyone else work since they got off their status. For those who waited until they had enough time and moved on to a retirement district, God bless them, but you're not retired just because you went to 016, or 022 (which has alot of shit going on so I wouldn't call it a retirement district). You have a job to do. Especially if you go to 016,008,022. Us cops who are working in the ghetto are counting on you to watch out for our families while we are out there running around in the hood. It would fucking suck coming home at 3 or 4 after a late arrest to find your garage has been broken into or something worse because a dog was working your beat that night and no one saw him cruising around and making some stops at least for a little bit.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
(Way off Topic) I apologize for my rant, I'm between a rock and a hard place, soon approaching 40 years of age, going through CPD process with half of the college credits needed to get hired, is there anyway(s) to get fast "College Credits" and or sign any type of waiver or promissory note/form to finish college and that will get me in the CPD??? Life, ultimately was very busy for me raising a family and making fantastic money straight out of H.S. "CPD" has been a dream job of mine since the age of 5. Long history of Family on the Job, 3 generations long. Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thank you! God Bless.
Don't waste your time, the city does not hire CPD 40 or older, so if you will not have your 60 credits before your 40th birthday don't waste you time getting the credits.
OFF TOPIC: Some of the most well rounded Detectives reired from Area 1 (fuck McCarthy never Area Central) God Bless JOB, JHm MR, and all the Detectives that decided to get away from OV's bullshit and his micro-managing ass..... Congratulations and Best of Luck
Oh Yeah screw Tony and Dave in 025
calling all cars....I have been working voluntary special employment since I got off probation October 1991 and until now I'm working Voluntary Reduction Ininiative (VRI) Michigan Ave 1600 hours start this requires activity ACLU just ask CPD Special Events "Commander" if I don't meet my "quota" I the computer program defaults with an answer "Insufficient Activity " this is a quota in violation of the spirit of Illinois law!!!!!!!
Lodge FOP!!!!!!! Hello just ask the lodge members who are on the payroll earning our monthly dues,,,,,,!
5/11/2017 09:26:00 PM
You must have been sleeping, the VRI activity was grieved and ruled on, years ago.
I gotta say something to this nicely typed out statement.
I'm sorry boys and girls, but your supervisors do have the right to know what you do during your tour and do have the right to confront you if they feel that you are not doing your job.
Much of the law is based on a standard of being reasonable. Is it reasonable that a police officer can go his whole tour without seeing something that could be addressed either by citation, arrest, or verbal warning? How about 2 days, 5, 2 weeks, a month? At some point it does become unreasonable and they can take actions to correct the situation. In the suburban departments you would be fired for consistently bringing in zeros. As far as naming people in a list, they do have the right to identify possible "issues" and make corrective measures. In fact, that is expected of supervisors. That being said, putting a direct number per day on citations would constitute a quota. Expecting at least one stop or document-able interaction is not a quota, REQUIRING one (or definitely 10) would be. But good luck trying to convince joe citizen or a judge that it is ok for you to do absolutely nothing while the murder and crime rates keep going up.
The big issue is that the cpd promotes people into supervisory positions who have absolutely no qualifications to properly do the job. There are ways to address these issues without demanding specific numbers and black listing officers. Any supervisor who currently has a watch that is "out performing" last years numbers by over 30% should be thrilled, not sending out naughty lists. But this is cpd, the land of very few real supervisors
If you studied lawsuit and discrimination you will know that grading is impossible.
1) what does a lock up keeper, desk officer, commander secretary or old guy hiding get rated for NO activity for years including parkers?
2) You will notice on those cute evaluation white shirts do are very bland. You were given templates for evaluations because many supervisor would write blatantly stupid shit which would lead to lawsuit sexism yadda yadda yadda.
3) Supervisor have NO RECORDS! do you keep a file on each of your beat cars? calls for service case reports made etc?
4) sergeants AINT really management! They don't hire,fire, or chose personal.
5) If you rate 1 desk person above a dog ass copper who have no numbers but actually have the same title code what do you call it. What happens no if that dog officer is Gay, Black,Female or any other flavor protected by law.
so go ahead ask for all the preprinted TO FROMs that you do not retain by law and throw in the garbage. WHITE shirts have to fear being under the bus too.
5/11/2017 05:45:00 PM
You studied lawsuits and discrimination? Yeah, I don't think so. I can tell because you have zero reading comprehension skills. Before you vomit out some more bullshit take a look at the Rules and Regulations of the Chicago Police Department and then read the SPAR matrix and check off the shit you do daily. You're welcome fool.
(Way off Topic) I apologize for my rant, I'm between a rock and a hard place, soon approaching 40 years of age, going through CPD process with half of the college credits needed to get hired, is there anyway(s) to get fast "College Credits" and or sign any type of waiver or promissory note/form to finish college and that will get me in the CPD??? Life, ultimately was very busy for me raising a family and making fantastic money straight out of H.S. "CPD" has been a dream job of mine since the age of 5. Long history of Family on the Job, 3 generations long. Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thank you! God Bless.
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You were busy...for 18 straight years (21-39)... now you suddenly realize it's "now or never?" Jesus Christ man, enjoy your job. This job sucks and if it takes you 18 years to scramble on something you've always wanted to do, well, it might not have been something you really wanted to do...
Individually they told me "kid stay where your at"! I just laughed at their comments
You should be laughing at their comment, because you're a 39 year old MAN that people are calling "kid."
Dont worry, 016 will have plenty of activity to keep them busy in the very near future. Thank your alderman and enjoy.
Somebody better tell the folks, and people, at St Sabina that YO-YO MA isn't a rapper.
5/11/2017 08:59:00 PM
This is the funniest thing I've read all day. What a great post!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I beg to differ with you, but when we started paying for health care it was $5 a paycheck. Or for the math challenged, that would be $10 a month. And for those of you who weren't there it was because the Chgo Fire Dept went along with it. It did go to arbitration and we lost. The arbiter stated that $5 was a fair price and that paying, even that amount, was inevitable. And from there the city raised the rate whenever they could. And that's the story.
5/11/2017 03:50:00 PM
I don't know where you were but when it started it was two dollars a check. That's what the fire department agreed to and that's what started the whole mess
Couldn't agree more. I was there and it was definitely two dollars.
Saw Arena walking out of a business on Milwaukee with gallons of the stores product. Coincidentally, the owner of the shop was spotted at the rally working the door for Arena. Strong armed in so many ways.
Anonymous said...
Somebody better tell the folks, and people, at St Sabina that YO-YO MA isn't a rapper.
5/11/2017 08:59:00 PM
They misunderstood and thought his name was Yo Ma-Ma
All I can say to you SCC. Is keep up the good work.
Somebody better tell the folks, and people, at St Sabina that YO-YO MA isn't a rapper.
5/11/2017 08:59:00 PM
They misunderstood and thought his name was Yo Ma-Ma
5/12/2017 12:52:00 PM
This thread keeps getting funnier and funnier. There are some witty cops out there. Bravo.
"OV's bullshit and his micro-managing ass..... Congratulations and Best of Luck"
Ozzie never spent a day inth D Unit. Spent plenty of time in Narcotics supplying the Bosses with the young stuff,
Then When the shit got hot , they sent him to El Paso to work with DEA for a year. Clouted up Clown, nothing more.
"There are still some Great Supervisor out there. I am one,among them. I still work the Districts. I inform the troops, I back them up, I take care of them in my ways, we have a professional working relationship and Respect runs both ways. We even hang out from time to time off duty. You guys know these Supervisors and by the I'm Sergeant. Let's be fair now, quite over reacting and throwing all Supervisors under the bus."
If you are what you say then you're the exception not the rule. You're fully aware of that, so when you're done patting yourself on the back perhaps you can take some time telling your fellow white shirts they might get the respect of the troops if they spent less time being stone cold one way pricks.
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