Remember - A Car Isn't Deadly Force
- A Chicago police officer was run down by the driver of a stolen SUV.
It happened just before midnight at Odgen and Trumbull. The officer was approaching the vehicle on foot when the driver hit the gas and knocked him down.
- A Chicago police officer was injured after being struck by a car speeding away from an attempted traffic stop Tuesday evening, police said.
Officers attempted to perform a traffic stop in the 100 block of East 75th Street in the city's Park Manor neighborhood about 5:02 p.m., police said. The vehicle officers were pulling over struck an officer as it fled the area, police said, and a person is in custody.
- A person was shot by Chicago Police after an officer was pinned by a vehicle Wednesday morning in the Austin neighborhood on the West Side.
The incident happened at 11:15 a.m. in the 1600 block of North Leclaire Avenue.
The damage to the pinned Officer's leg is said to be "severe." And then the Sun Times quotes Special "Asshole" Ed and his new "Non-Use of Force" policy that may have just cost this officer his leg and his job:
- If was not known if, aside from the stolen vehicle, if the suspect was armed, Nagode said.
Last week, as the Chicago Police Department announced a new use-of-force policy to focus of de-escalation and the sanctity of life, Supt. Eddie Johnson touched on the possibility of an officer being injured by a vehicle.
“If a vehicle is coming at an officer and that’s the only threat of force, the officer can get out of the way of it,” Johnson said.
Really Asshole? And what if he can't get out from between two cars? A car used as a ram kind of lacks the finesse of a knife or gun attack - the car moves violently after impact and the operator, concentrating solely on escape, isn't exactly following the Rules of the Road.
Four coppers injured over three days by criminals who know EXACTLY what officers can and cannot do, and they know we cannot chase and they know we cannot shoot without suffering the danger of losing our jobs. There isn't a downside for the criminal at any level. You've conceded the battlefield. Well done.
So Fuck You Ed. Fuck you, fuck your bullshit Use of Force, fuck your cheating girlfriend and her cheating buddies. This one is solely on you, Rahm, Kimmy, and your fucked-up, non-policing, throw the coppers under the bus to cater to the criminal class. You're a Grade A jagoff and the Department will be far better for your leaving.
Four coppers injured over three days by criminals who know EXACTLY what officers can and cannot do, and they know we cannot chase and they know we cannot shoot without suffering the danger of losing our jobs. There isn't a downside for the criminal at any level. You've conceded the battlefield. Well done.
So Fuck You Ed. Fuck you, fuck your bullshit Use of Force, fuck your cheating girlfriend and her cheating buddies. This one is solely on you, Rahm, Kimmy, and your fucked-up, non-policing, throw the coppers under the bus to cater to the criminal class. You're a Grade A jagoff and the Department will be far better for your leaving.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
169 Comments:
Live healthy, outlive Ed and party on his grave. I will.
Only believable in Chicago.
Maybe these bosses should first try to get out of the way of a vehicle that is less than 21 feet away when the driver floors the gas pedal and drives towards them. Let's see the jagoffs jump out of the way. Each and every boss at 35th and each and every commander, captain and lieutenant has to go through this training to show us all how it is done. Of course if they don't make, they can always hit the medical for IOD during a training exercise.
Jagoffs talk the talk, but can't walk the walk.
Be safe and back each other up. We are all we got.
To anyone with a brain stem.... they don't care if you are killed or injured. You are politically expendable. They don't want you to harm some ghetto dogmas. The community makes a lot of noise and they vote.
AMEN.
Way to much proactive police work folks. In looking at it like this, kids need help, let's bust ass, they're to young to vote the rest... Everyone else can enjoy just exactly e what their ejected officials dictate. Just saying
We just smile and wave. Easy pay check. Work on residency so we can live where laws matter.
STAY FETAL! Screw this department that throws officers under the bus and fuck this corrupted ass city and it's officals.
kool-aid on tap....merit bosses serving it up....
What is the most sad thing about all of this?
The CPD administration and City Hall politicians could care less
About the injured officer or the future cpd members or chiraq citizens
That will be hurt or killed by this senseless order.
This is the most F--ked up direction I have been involved with since being
Appointed a Chicago police officer over 31 years ago.
And they want to give free mortgages to police or fire members to stabilize
Neighborhoods? Keep that BS flowing
8 more years for me. Can I work at news affairs?
Whats an isr?
8 coded jobs, 2 reports, 1 bus check.
Criminals come very young these days. There is no cultural difference. There is, however, culture breakdown. Some of these individuals are unfix-able. Is this a police problem?
Dean o jr started his detail to mayors unit last Sunday. Way to go, sell out
"The Police are the problem here in Chicago.
Once we 'fix' them, everything else will
fall in place."
"Police Reform has to happen hard,
fast and right now..."
"Po-leece goin' aroun' killin'
up all da young black mens in
da communerty!"
"Officers should just get out of the way."
Except for when they can't. Right?
We got some straight WILLFULLY IGNANT MUTHAFUCKAHS
promulgating Use of Force policy.
No fucks given by them because it ain't
THEIR tender asses risking being ground
to hamburger by Dude Inc.
Of course there's the malignant little
manling mayor who somehow thinks it's
ok for The Police to be attacked by
vehicle borne bandits.
Ed consulted with the person who wrote aviation security use of force model--- what was it-- run and hide
He tries to come off like, "Yeah, I was a blue shirt. I was an FTO. I was the police before. Just like you." blah blah blah.
Get the fuck outta here
Its terrible that this Officer may lose his leg. And I dont want to be a Monday morning Quarterback
BUT.... Why on Earth are any of you doing police work, stopping these cars? Fuckem Let them kill each other, sell dope to each other, Burn each others homes down
With a few possible exceptions, like the lady in 017 who was beaten and robbed, and a few others... WHO gives a fuck???
Why place yourselves in harms way for an ungrateful public, ass kissing dishonest bosses ( Id like to see how fast "Fat Headed Ed" could move his large lard ass no kidney function ass "out the way" of a car speeding towards him.
Last week a coppers daughter was killed by a car which smashed into her and now a police officer may lose a leg.
Fuck it. Fuck them.
I'll be dipped in shit before I'll put myself out where I could get killed, hurt, locked up or fired for an ungrateful public and slimy two faced forked tongued politicians and these jagoff bosses to do some bullshit police work.
Stay safe. Get well soon Officer
Thank you, SCC. The casual reader may find your appraisal somewhat severe - but you have been restrained in the past and we are now at the end of our tolerance of this inept Superintendent. FOP NEEDS TO CALL FOR A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE!!!
Retired .38 spl +P
It's new and modern policing, the new normal. Get Used to it.
I didn't do any traffic stops today and you know what happened? An asshole didn't try to run me over. I didn't get a complaint. I didn't get sued. I got paid and I'm still employed.
STAY FETAL
My thoughts are with the officer who was injured, and I'm hoping and praying that he does not lose his leg.
It goes higher than Ed & Kim.
How about Rahm, the DOJ and the shithead that just left the Oval Office.
This "War on Police" started WAY before Ed got his 4 stars
What's most sad about this whole thing is, using common sense, the "reasonable man" thing, a car is a deadly weapon. As a CCW civilian, if someone is chasing me down with a car, my only assumption can be that they are trying to kill me, and it's my right to use whatever force necessary to stop the threat. Why does this not apply to cops? It only makes sense. Of course, not everything makes sense these days, that's why the stupid non-use of force or whatever thing is the rule of the hour.
Guaranteed, if this ever comes to a jury, a car is deadly force. That will be recognized. Shouldn't have to come to that though. Some stupid white shirts should have figured this out and aborted it early. Once again, thank you CPD management for doing not a damn thing to make us safer, civilians and officers alike.
Oh well. Better start getting used to it since gang and tac teams are filled now with guys barely over the 3 year mark. It's not like they haven't been warned long in advance about the type of environment that they are currently policing in. I might sound callous but a lot of these new guys don't seem to watch the news or read this blog. The commander in 025 sounds like a real peach. Let us see if him and Ed have this officer's back. There was a time when newer guys would somewhat listen to guys with time on the job. Not so much anymore. It seems like the majority that got on up to maybe 4 to 5 years ago are scared to listen to smart advice. Yet they got no problem risking their money and health playing super hero. This summer is going to be a shit show once districts like 011 and 025 get body cams.
A sample of what is now prohibited by the new Use of Force order:
A terrorist who has just beheaded a victim with a knife on Michigan Avenue who drops the knife and flees from an officer can not be shot to stop his flight-even if it is known that the terrorist intends to behead more victims at the next available opportunity. Because that's not "immediate."
A man walks up and shoots a police officer in the leg. He then drops the gun and walks away. The officer may not shoot the man as he no longer poses a threat.
A terrorist who escapes from the Metropolitan Detention Center whose plan is to detonate a nuclear device tomorrow can drive directly past a foot patrol officer without fear of the officer shooting him. Because there is no "immediate" threat.
A terrorist who has kidnapped the mayor and placed him in his trunk can safely drive away without anyone trying to shoot him, because the mayor is not in danger of "immediate" bodily harm.
An otherwise unarmed terrorist who has just murdered dozens of people on a Michigan Avenue sidewalk by driving over them in a truck can get out of the truck and flee on foot without worry of anyone shooting him. The threat is over.
A SWAT sniper may not shoot a terrorist holding hostages unless the terrorist is going to immediately kill or maim his victims. So if the only effective shot a sniper has is when the terrorist moves into a room away from his hostages, or if the terrorist has stated his intention to kill all hostages in 10 minutes, our sniper can not shoot the terrorist.
The list goes on and on...
Amen brother!
Wow. Ward, don't you think you were
a little too hard on the Beaver last night?
I've never seen you seethe with anger like this.
Please, Ward, calm down for your own sake.
Hopefully FatHeadEd uses his kidney transplant as his exit strategy.
Then Wheezie needs to resign or be fired for all of her lying, thieving and cheating antics.
It's all about the city of Chicago trying to cut down on all these lawsuits resulting from P.O.'s firing their weapons at vehicles and paying out MILLIONS while our media friends make the suspect who ends up getting wounded or killed as a result of Law Enforcement being AGGRESSIVE TO WIT: [POOR INNOCENT VICTIM TRYING TO GET THEIR LIFE BACK TOGETHER ] it's just the way of the world as we now know it !!!!!
Very well said.
Agreed! Well said!!!!!!!!
I agree with the last paragraph of the article Hell I agree with the whole thing. Why should Officers risk life and limb for a city that caters to the criminal class? Get hit by a car then get run over by fat heads bus. Let the community police themselves, they hand out justice everyday from the end of a gun barrel. Get well Officers and thank you for all you do to protect the city from itself.
Well said! We need a vote of no confidence now before more officers are hurt.
Lawsuit challenging the order?
It makes me want to puke looking at these know nothing bosses, imagining them reading from a stolen copy of the test, I studied my ass off to fail.
They say that a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. Rahm runs this Department by choosing the weakest link to head it. Ed is not the brightest person on the Department AND he has the whole fiance matter to hang over him too. Ed is told when to jump and how high.
I would say the solution would be to have a better candidate in his place, but that leaves who? Navarro? Waller? One of the Johnson brothers? How about Pena or Escamilla?
No. Rahm has this Department right where he wants it. Defenseless. I can no longer name an exempt I even remotely respect.
Thanks to the tiny dancer and friends, Chicago is no longer circling the bowl. It is now making that big sucking sound.
Stay fetal.
Not even Esca-merit is dumb enough to disapline these guys.
Sadly, there is no bus to throw the officers under, so the Stupidintendent has to be satisfied with throwing them under the SUV.
Happily retired, don't miss this shit show by the Ivory Tower flunkies.
Chase cars? No more... If this is what the citizens of Chicago want, a laid back police force, then give them that.
Special Ed does not know any better,just keep saying "all the rules were bypassed to make him superintendent" What did some former boss call it? He is the "illegitimate" Superintendent,as far as WHEEEEZZZZEEEE,if you don't think she won't get promoted you all are wrong. The mayor don't give a shit about "violence" in the city because he know's he can't mess with eddie,with that being said,WHEEEEZZZZEEEE will be promoted..
What's to be done? Sue? Hell, they'll settle and figure it's the cost of doing business. Labor action? If only...
Yep. FUCK YOU ED. If you really said that FUCK you.
Shoot to kill anyone using a motorized vehicle to cause bodily harm. If it comes to trial and I am on the jury, you will walk. Not the police.
Mr President , The swamp is full in Chicago, Please drain immediately ! How about a FEDERAL Grand Jury formed in Chicago, to help drain the sewage of City Hall and all the aldercreachers and the Billions Daley and Madigan and Emanuel have stolen from Chicago!!!
Stay F E T A L boys and girls. Dont go to Prison for this jagoff or any other asshole at 35th st or City Hall........Let them reap the spoils of their evil ways !
Well said sir, and officers get a lawyer and go after the superintendent, and the city, for their willful and wanton negligence.
That last paragraph had me tearing up. It was so poignant and shows the emotion of how I feel 99.95% of the time. And fuck you double and triple merit hacks who "work" in a district for a few periods after getting fraudulently promoted and then go work at HQ or some other bullahit unit. Asshole Ed couldn't run a shift at McDonald's let alone lead this department.
Thank you SCC for all your work.
Amen SCC....AMEN...Well said...FUCK THESE TURDS....PERIOD.....
no confidence in Rahm or any of his appointees.
election time cant come soon enough.
Rahm already sold his soul when he fired a white commissioner from the water dept, just to appoint a black guy, and get endorsed by a few black alderscum.
How do you get out of the way of a vehicle if you happen to be a foot in front of the vehicle when the driver quickly accelerates? It's not like you see the car slowly coming towards you with grandpa behind the wheel.
That new poiicy has not taken affect
So Fuck You Ed. Fuck you, fuck your bullshit Use of Force, fuck your cheating girlfriend and her cheating buddies. This one is solely on you, Rahm, Kimmy, and your fucked-up, non-policing, throw the coppers under the bus to cater to the criminal class. You're a Grade A jagoff and the Department will be far better for your leaving.
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POSTED BY SCC AT 12:05 AM
Ed " Can't get right" Johnson is just waiting for the next CPD scandal to break then his puppet master the twerp murder mayor will allow him to retire and probably throw in a kidney as a bonus...
Is the Inspector general ever gonna finish their investigation against Fenner, Ward, Hall, Green and all the other lieutenants that cheated with Eugene Williams blessings? It has been well over a year.
Guess rham is holding off the results until he is ready to throw ed aka kidney beans under the bus.
sanctity of who's life? the shithead's?
Only if Rerun could get out of the way of a double cheeseburger.
I would like to see Eddie jump out of the way of a car. It would catch him in his third chin.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Well said, SCC!!
Again, we are given policies to follow from those who've been hidden the vast majority of their careers and have spent but a heartbeat in patrol!
Why is anybody doing anything? Do you not see that the Department and city does not care about you? After you get hurt the Department will throw you under the bus. Plus you will have to deal with the shit medical care that the city may or may not provide. They will send you to some quack doctors and you will have to fight with the Department and the city to get any kind of decent care and to get your medical bills paid. After doing your job and getting hurt you may live crippled and in pain the rest of your life for people and a Department that does not give two hoots for you while the bosses and politicians go on to live the high life.
So a vehicle was not a weapon in the U.K., France, and Sweden by our definition. I'm sure that will comfort the victim of those attacks knowing that. It is a "recommended" weapon for terrorist today. And let's not forget the incident in New York with the mental.
Let's see a Training Video on Dodging a Speeding Vehicle aimed at the officer. Show how you are just supposed to use Precision Timing to coordinate the exact moment to jump out of the way of thousands of pounds of metal and steel. And as an inspiration, make sure the Actors, are fat ass exempts. I want to see a replay in slow motion as well. Maybe we can see "ignition" of a grease fire when their thighs rub together. Or better yet, maybe we can see Staples hair spikes bending in the speed of her motion. And make sure the Exempt are wearing complete equipment as do patrol officers: vest, gun belt, taser, radio, camera, etc. This would really be something to see in slow motion. And take note this "Idea" is not original, since NYPD adopted it years ago, but remember, New York does not have streets as wide as Chicago, and vehicles are less available there.Cops actually have many walking beats in NVPD. How can anyone at 35th sleep at night, knowing that they are pushing a policy that removes discretion from officers on the scene, for a policy that unnecessarily places them in danger of death or career ending, life enduring injury? Give them what they deserve, do NOTHING more than answer calls. Initiate NO STOPS. Baby "G"
Anonymous said...
8 coded jobs, 2 reports, 1 bus check.
5/25/2017 12:34:00 AM
Looks like you're well on your way to meritorious bliss, keep up the fine work hard charger...
Please,please, please FOP take a no confidence vote on special Ed already, officers are getting severely injured do to his use of force policy. They have made it open season on the police. Prayers to the injured officer and his family.
Call me Mr. Lips
My entire life I have been taught to stand up for my beliefs, to be a person of high morals and ethics. That's why I feel obligated to lend support to the thesis that Special Ed should be forced to wear a scarlet “W” for “Wants to make empty promises”. For practical reasons, I have to confine my discussion to areas that have received insufficient public attention or in which I have something new to say. Don't let yourself be persuaded by mischievous devotees of conspiracy theories who secretly want to provide support to backwards banana republics and their costive dictators. I have seen and heard enough. Now it is time to light the torch of human rights.
I, for one, want to see all of us working together to transcend traditional thinking. Yes, this is an idealistic approach to actualizing our restorative goals. Nevertheless, you should realize that Special is indeed up to something. I don't know exactly what, but he believes that “the truth”, “the whole truth”, and “nothing but the truth” are three different things. The real damage that this belief causes actually has nothing to do with the belief itself but with psychology, human nature, and the skillful psychological manipulation of that nature by Special and his antihumanist, shabby bootlickers. If I had to choose the most insolent specimen from Special's welter of doctrinaire gabble, it would have to be Special's claim that the future of the entire world rests in his hands.
My message is clear: Special insists that all it takes to start a rabbit farm is a magician's magic hat. Go home, Special; you're drunk. Any sober person would realize that he who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. Of course, people like Special who do in fact perpetrate evil impose ideology, control thought, and punish virtually any behavior he disapproves of. Here's an extraordinary paradox: All of the noisome misosophists who shouldn't be allowed to exploit the feelings of charity and guilt that many people have over the plight of the homeless invariably want to. The really interesting thing about all this is not that a theme that appears repeatedly in Special's whinges concerns his desire to detach individuals from traditional sources of strength and identity—family, class, private associations. The interesting thing is that any correspondence between what he says and the truth is purely coincidental. There's nothing controversial about that view. It's a fact, pure and simple. It was a fact long before anyone realized that we must keep our courage up. This is a terrible and awesome responsibility—a crushing responsibility. However, if we stick together we can can show the world that I find it amusing how all thinking people simultaneously flinched when they heard Special insist that unfounded attacks on character, loads of hyperbole, and fallacious information are the best way to make a point. Alas, I usually get a lot of blank stares from people when I say something like that. What I mean is that if I recall correctly, if Special goes ahead with rotting our minds with the hallucinatory drug of pauperism, I will be very, very angry with him. In fact, I will write him a letter telling him how angry I am. I hope that will convince Special that he's unhappy that people like me want to offer manumission to those who are held captive by his distasteful fulminations. Such cavils notwithstanding, he is careless with data, makes all sorts of causal interpretations of things without any real justification, has a way of combining disparate ideas that don't seem to hang together, seems to show a sort of pride in his own biases, gets into all sorts of unforgiving speculation, and then makes no effort to test out his speculations—and that's just the short list! To end on a more positive note: Special Ed has a driving need to initiate a reign of iconoclastic terror.
He is a disgrace. After all is said and done, just a disgrace.
I'm sure Fairley and her cohorts at Chicago and Ashland had a say in this too.
Nagode,The Clown said a weapon wasn't found. Well, Al how about the 3500 lb vehicle, thats all the weapon I need. DIPSHIT.
Charges from the 010th district were denied and worse yet, passengers were released without charging after complainant couldn't be located and the driver was given an ibond. True story. Look it up.
They need to Roll out the body cameras in every district and see the shit show they have created. Ed you talk real tough but afraid to put cameras on officers in the districts that are out of hand. Are you afraid the city might implode?
We as the police can sit back and t as lk about how we are not going to do anything but just answer the radios jobs, but when that in progress job comes out most cops will react, the dog asses that just wear the badge will still lay back like they have done over the years. But most react and respond, it is just human nature, and you get pumped up when there is a chase and don't think about getting hurt, so you will never not see coppers involved in car chases or foot chases. That is the natural resonate of coppers doing the job. I hope these injured cops heal well
Can't wait to see WeeZee wearing handcuffs
why doesn't the FOP Union file a work place safety grievance, and file a lawsuit in the circuit court of cook county to challenge this unsafe work place environment-until then stay safe and FETAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So glad we never got those dam olympics!
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/rios-example-no-city-bid-host-olympics-183332226.html
Shite head ed puts the Po with mangled leg on desk duty?? yes policy but why say it ? .. although his leg will be saved will not be able to perform patrol duty
Bad Summer ...long range forecast .. warmer than normal temps
In the 70's I was the victim of a vehicular homicide attempt, with an estimated speed at least 50 to 60 mph. By the grace of the almighty survived but as the years progressed have an ever increasing list of medical conditions.
For Special Ed - You CAN NOT get/jump out of the way.
Departments haven't changed much in this regards - mine did everything to keep from having to assist with later in life medical bills.
Prayers for the injured officer.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dean o jr started his detail to mayors unit last Sunday. Way to go, sell out
5/25/2017 12:41:00 AM
So he gave up detective?
I'll take my chances. I may lose my job but, I won't lose my life. I WILL shoot you.
Isn't stealing cars, breaking laws and running over cops some kind of "right" now in the almost a utopia of Chiraq? Stop interfering with criminals "rights". It doesn't matter now. So what if you catch the bad guy and put him in jail? There's no one to prosecute the asswipe and there isn't a judge that'll give the asswipe any serious jail time.
There's you, your family and your job. Decide what's important to you.
You know liberal democrats don't care about you, they would cut your hamstrings to keep you from pursuing their darling little illegal aliens and other assorted criminals. They're proud of what they have created.
J.J.
When the cop with the broken leg gets out of the hospital, he should announce his candidacy for mayor. He could be a tough on crime candidate who humiliates Rahm.
Perhaps the media will cover all his insults of Rahm just like they covered Trump's insults of Hillary.
AGAIN!!!!!! Stop making fucking stops!!!! It is not fucking worth it there is "sanctity of life" concern for some piece of shit that's breaking the law but no "sanctity" of life for us fuck that let them have the streets! This officer might lose a leg for this jag off dept that doesn't give a shit about us! The fucking writing is on the wall & has been after railroading everyone on the Van Dyke shooting & countless officers after that incident. Leav the fucking streets alone nothing good can come from a stop except putting yourself in a truck bag getting hurt or worse. Blue flu needs to seriously go into affect like NOW!!!!! Our lives our more important than these jagoffs on the street!
Only handle calls that you are assigned. Forget about ANY initiated activity unless you or any other PO are directly affected. No matter what you do, you are on stage and will be judged by people who want to make an example of you. Your job is to make it home every night. Take some advice from a retired PO: The days of being a cowboy are over. Unless you get this fact, you are putting your life and future in jeopardy.
Emmanuel has let Police manpower slide to DANGEROUS levels, while he has a small army guarding him. He is a FAILURE as a Mayor.
A Woman gets her purse stolen and the result of the Police chase is a Woman and her unborn baby run over by the Offender, And the City pays out 17.5 Million. And you know the rest of that story.
This a Vehicle is not a weapon line is complete bullshit. I just remembered something that occurred a few years ago when my mother-in-law still lived in 'beautiful' Brighton Park.
It happened a few doors down on the corner od 44th St & Christiana Ave. Her next door neighbor, a Mexican 'immigrant', was driving home with her kids in the car after school. Somehow she lost control (maybe scolding the kids in the backseat & not looking) when turning left onto Christiana and smacked right into the rear end of a parked car on the right side of 44th Street. Unfortunately a woman was getting groceries out of her trunk when the car struck -- the woman was ALMOST CUT IN HALF!
My wife was at her mom's that day and they both heard the woman scream. My wife went out to look what happened but couldn't see the accident as it was just East of that corner. When my wife got home and told me about this she said it was the worst, scariest, blood-curdling scream she ever heard, and later that afternoon found out that the woman died at the scene.
So anyone who says a car is not a lethal weapon is full of shit.
ps: police investigating the accident determined that the driver (my MIL's next door neighbor) was also speeding when she lost control of her car.
"A terrorist who has kidnapped the mayor and placed him in his trunk can safely drive away without anyone trying to shoot him, because...." said terrorist would be doing the City a favor -FIFY :).
War Eagle!!
Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Like that W.Va negotiation/shooting suicide by cop attempt clearly showed, and so many other situations. Cops have less right to self-defense than ordinary citizens.
Prayers for the injured cop, hope he can recover the use of his leg.
5/25/2017 02:04:00 AM
Unfortunately you are right. A lot of new officers think this is all a game and they want to play super hero. I have talked to them personally and they really do believe that if a situation goes south and the end result is muddy then the city will stick by them. No officers! The city will screw you. But if you want to still run around and be proactive then go ahead.
Be well, Officers. More citizens are in your corner than you think!
A terrorist who has kidnapped the mayor and placed him in his trunk can safely drive away without anyone trying to shoot him, because the mayor is not in danger of "immediate" bodily harm.
5/25/2017 02:12:00 AM
And, TD 9.5 is screaming, "Shoot the m***** f*****", as I wave goodbye.
Could we ever get this lucky?
Mr. Brown,in response to your column today in the Chicago Sun Times, apparently you live in a socialist dream home in uptown and enjoy it. Good for you. Don't however try to make other people feel bad for not wanting what you want.
As for not living with animals as your column suggests, I believe your newspaper reported years ago on a mandatory living skills programs for Section 8 residents approved for the then new low rises near the united center. Living skills like "take your garbage out and keep it in the can in a bag" "don't play your radio at 3am, even though you don't work many of your neighbors do etc." If that is not animal training I don't know what is.
Imagine if you will a man and wife, married with two kids that live on the northwest side. Their household income is just about 100,000. They want to do better for their children so they know the local grammar school is out of the question because the school itself is in disrepair from zero capital improvements much less routine maintenance and the full time janitors have long since been privatized so the school is dirty and stays dirty. The classroom has 35 kids, fifteen of whom require special attention from the teacher because they have I.E.P.'s for their behavior or intellectual problems and some of the kids got in the school from crummy neighborhoods by calling themselves homeless so the boundaries don't apply to them and of course there are also some kids bussed in from the west side.
There is a very low prospect of a normal white kid from a middle class family prospering let only thriving in this environment. Also, because they are white, good luck getting into one of the handful of decent high schools so the family has to pony up for Catholic grammar and high school. Everything they buy in their neighborhood is taxed to the hilt and going up higher. The soda tax is designed to fight obesity, not increase taxes, but all the fat people on link cards will be exempt from this tax as their transactions are tax free! Moreover, our formerly quiet neighborhoods are being invaded by marauders, usually minorities, intent on committing crime because they know what little police we have left in Chicago are being deployed to their neighborhoods that hate the cops so it is time to move where the police are not to pillage. Also, the criminal underclass already knows they can run in their cars and the cops won't chase them and now they can even try to run the cops over and they won't shoot. Also, tiny dancer (Mayor Emmanuel) is PROUD to use their tax dollars to fight for illegal aliens that also disproportionately live twenty people to a single family home, burden emergency rooms and drive down the value of labor!
In essence, this couple is paying the lion's share for wards that contribute nothing except violence and social disorder but consume everything "free to them". Our archetypal couple described above are not hipsters with no kids that can live in trendy areas until their late thirties then move to the suburbs nor are the super rich that can live on lake shore drive and these are minor annoyances that can be worked around.
This husband and wife feel like strangers in their city. They are angry and put upon. They are moving backwards socially and economically to support dead weight and now Alderman Arena wants to accelerate their demise!
When you say you want low income housing in their area, that is the straw the hopefully will break the camel's back. If poor people want to live in nice neighborhoods, work and save to do it. Austin used to be beautiful. Now it is hell. The Island neighborhood used to be nice, now it has been renamed "Austin" or perhaps hell south. Galewood and Mont Clare used to be nice. Now as logan square gentrifies west, the riff raff moves west and these formerly nice neighborhoods are getting run down so people move farther north and west.
I'm not a cop, but I'd support an outbreak of the blue flu over crap that puts your lives in jeopardy.
Off Topic. Boko Harahm aka Nine Digit Midget, Rahm N Noodle had a news clip on Channel Slime news this morning. Chicago had twice the number of people leave in 2016 then in 2015. Of course he couldn't fidget he's way in accepting responsibility. He blamed it all on the governor. Forget that he's spending money on River Walk, lakefront operates pedestrian/bicycle lanes, $150,000 a miles painted bike lanes...etc etc. Plus now he all of the sudden the schools need another 600 million a year
Be safe and back each other up. We are all we got.
5/25/2017 12:18:00 AM
I'll be there for you, but it would be wiser if you joined me in the new patrol strategy of STAY FETAL in all cases, excluding when another member or citizen has an immediate need of our help!
VD will be found not guilty , jury will see videos of police officers gutted by thugs with a knife .
Special ed to Springfield . Dog and pony show , he's in bed with that fox and shewinkle.
Both anti police and soft on crime
The little piece of shit who hit the officer has a longer rap sheet than most career criminals. Shows you just how insanely fucked up the juvenile justice system is.
Special Ed, shame on you. Just resign please! We have seen enough of your incompetency.
this is the result of decades of idiots voting in democratic scum. morons in charge.
Low information and weak, ineffective Special Ed spent his entire career avoiding police work and is an expert at avoiding anything that may cause cranial overload.
No wonder he's Rahm's Puppet. He just used his moment to inject his version of "police acted stupidly" into that statement.
Rather than "stand in the way" of anti-police rhetoric, Jughead Special Ed is on the frontline with Rahm, PrickCanker and FoxWinkle.
I'd love to fling a bag a poop at him just to watch and see if he has enough sense (or energy) to do two-step shuffle out of the way.
Ass clown.
First of all I want to wish the injured Officer a speedy recovery. I hope and pray that the Officer does not loose his/her leg. Secondly, whoever wrote this policy has probably never worked the street. A speeding vehicle is a deadly weapon. Anyone who thinks not is clearly mistaken. Thirdly, I hope the union is following this incident closely. Forth, look at today's paper: Chicago is loosing population. One of he reasons why is lawlessness in this city. Fifth, look at this state and all of the taxes. the state wants to expand the income tax and now cook county is adding a tax on soda drinks. A drink that cost .89 cents is now going to cost $1.80. What is the definition of insanity. Keep on voting Democratic citizens of Chicago
Any Officer struck by a vehicle do to the police departments new order involving a vehicle, should go to a good attorney and sue. Sue for mental tress, injuries and anything else a good attorney is able to put into a legal form. This order is telling you not to protect yourself from someone who is attempting or committing a violent act that can cause great bodily harm or death with the use of a vehicle, to you or another. I'm not the police, but have family members in law enforcement both state and federal. I agree with an above quote, if I'm on a jury and this is the reason you got fired or are being charged or sued, you my friend are going to walk. The FOP with it resources have a great opportunity to sue the City, Department, and County over this safety issue.
I and normal thinking people are able to see there is all sorts of proof that criminals use vehicles as a deadly weapon and this order is so unreasonable, it can be rescinded and will if brought to the right venue. To deny anyone from exercising his/her Constitutional Rights to defend themselves do to this order, is flawed and a violation of your civil rights. The officer who was severely injured may he recover and all of our prayers go to his family and him to get well. However, he's now the poster child on everything articulated above and in this blog. He's the one that is the preverbal straw that will break the back of this unreasonable, dangerous, and demoralizing order. God Bless All Of You Police Officer's and Your Families who lover you very much.......
This is why I laugh when some hippie screams that an UNARMED thug got lit up by the police. Hey asshole, guess what? An UNARMED brat can kill you, too.
Ed, do yourself and us a favor, resign your position as superintendent. Once you started taking calls from criminals about police misconduct you fucked up, and lost the faith of the men and women that are out there on the streets every day.
does anyone believe that eddie could jump his fat ass out of the path of any vehicle. I am including tricycles.
Civilian here.
My suggestion to the First Responders, and all Chicagoans who are sick of what this city has turned into:
find a candidate for mayor, say Dan Proft from WIND radio, and then work like hell to get that individual voted in. It is the only way that we will begin to see real change in Chicago.
Vote!
Well said, he should simply be referred to as "Asshole" from here forth. Everyone will know who you're referring to.
With the direction this job has been heading over the years, this is probably my favorite SCC post to date! Fuck all you lawyer types, house mouses, merit suckholes, and any other 35th street hacks involved in this new use of farce policy! Go out there and show us how it's done! Lead by example! And good luck if you're stupid enough to try!
special ed was a good fkn street cop and sarge
good man but way over his head
ballerina is his puppet master , special ed now a politician
since appointed he brags he knows who the 1400 bad players are , well ed where are the results
you should have shown your independence and backed Phunuche for states attorney , a man with a background as a prosecutor , pro law enforcement
not a political hack with a law degree
The academy TRAINERS should show officers LIVE how to get out of the way when a 2 ton plus vehicle is coming towards u, circling around u, drifting in any unknown directions, spins out of control in a span of seconds or a blink of an eye at an unknown hi rated speed towards u or others etc....etc...etc...etc...please someone care to shed light on the expertise of all those who can judge their super powers or superhero abilities against a Vehicle not being a deadly weapon!!!!
Ed sucks rahms tiny nuts.
Officers need to understand that this is job. They make the rules we follow them or suffer the consequences. For the life of me why do officers chase vehicles and come on the air he is wanted for not stopping and he is now speeding and disobeying every traffic law. If he pulls off on you just make a right turn and trun off your lights. Than give out a flash. That's all they want.... Not my rules, I just want my job and I'm not giving it up for some @$$ ho)(e
The order more so talks about standing in front of a car and shooting at it. Just because you shoot at it doesnt make the car stop. Common sense. You you read the new order you are allowed to shoot at a car in a situation like this. Calm down everyone.
Anonymous Phil the Thrill said...
Live healthy, outlive Ed and party on his grave. I will.
Jeez, relax. Got some angry people on here.
No idea why guys on tac are still risking their financial health and bodily health for a dept. that will stomp you the first chance it gets.
Boggles my mind.
Any feedback from the new FOP president? No confidence vote for special Ed?
"... gang and tac teams are filled now with guys barely over the 3 year mark."
Actually, tac teams are now filled with people who couldn't get on tac teams before, or those who left or got dumped from units, and those that don't want to work midnights or can't get days. and of course clouted imbeciles ... There are no more standards or expectations. Right now the name of the game is ISR's and ANOV's. Ciao bella!
No wonder this city SUCKS and people are fleeing if they can!
This is the worst city, in this country and census proves it, and it is run by total progressive losers!
A.K.A. Rahm and company!
FUCK YOU ALL!
@12:08 I will run it thru my kidneys first!
Dear SCC,
I was told that former FOP President Dean Angelo Sr. went before the FOP Lodge 7 Board of Directors and requested $5100.00 for repairs on his FOP Chrysler 300S. The Board asked Dean what the value was on the vehicle and Dean stated $9,000.00. The Board decided to fix the vehicle and voted on giving Dean the vehicle to keep. What does Dean do you ask? This fuckin scam artist trades the car in for a Mercedes Benz CL 250. The funny thing is that he lied to the Board of Directors on the value of the vehicle. Way to screw the membership one more time Dean!
The stupidity and hypocrisy of Rahm and company is unreal. If a vehicle isn't deadly force, why are you blocking the streets at public events with streets & san dump trucks?
My advice to my brothers and sisters in blue with this new bullshit use of force, do absolutely nothing while you're at work, take care of each other. Go home safe! The department and the city doesn't give a damn about you!
nonymous said...
Can't wait to see WeeZee wearing handcuffs
5/25/2017 08:56:00 AM
I would not hold on to this dream if I was you. If anything was going to happen it would have happened by now.
Anonymous said...
The order more so talks about standing in front of a car and shooting at it. Just because you shoot at it doesnt make the car stop. Common sense. You you read the new order you are allowed to shoot at a car in a situation like this. Calm down everyone.
5/25/2017 02:43:00 PM
Well here dip$h!t, you implement a policy and it makes guys second guess what the fucking stance is regarding his position. Now you dumbass makes this stupid statement of "common sense" when the entire upper department clout jagoffs get to Monday morning quarterback your ass. You a truly a piece of shit, just like Special Ed, . . . or are you Special Ed.
No idea why guys on tac are still risking their financial health and bodily health for a dept. that will stomp you the first chance it gets.
Boggles my mind.
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I don't t know if you can call that "risk" when Tact Team are out there working. I've been sued before working a beat car responding to an in-progress call. Even though I've done nothing wrong, the City settled for a small amount of money just to make the case go away. Did the lawsuit discouraged me from working? Of course!! But then, I just can't sit on my behind, drive for 8.5 hours in circle, and not do anything. I'm not a "hard charger". But, it feels good when you helped someone.
COPA training begins for 45 new investigators http://abc7chicago.com/news/copa-training-begins-for-45-new-investigators/2035714/
COPA is replacing IPRA in September....full of people that just hate the police.
Nice.
My point in the Off Injured thread. Wow, SCC, it struck a nerve. But I second your emotion.
Id like to see fat head ed get out of the way of any car
CORRECTED: SCC please disregard the previous submittal.
Related Topic: COPA
Channel 7 Eyewitness News just showed the first day of the COPA supervisor's training class being held at Chicago State University. It seems quite poetic for them to be holding the training classes at a repeatedly failed educational institution. And, it is apparently a racist institution because when the Governor of Illinois appointed an educated and experienced white man to lend his expertise to save the institution, the CSU community proclaimed they did not want a white man, Paul Vallas, hired to save the institution from an impending financial disaster and possible demise. They demanded the savior be black, a savior yet to be found.
As far as COPA, no cops or ex-cops were allowed to apply and apparently no white males were allowed to apply because there was only a couple of white faces, all women, in the group gathering shown on the news and there were very few Hispanics/Latinos/Spaniards of either gender shown.
Does it sound like a new organization supposedly dedicated to fairness and transparency and diversity has gotten off to a good start? Not a chance. Holding the training at the south side Titanic of higher learning in a questionable racial setting with an unreasonable goal of making the new hires into crack homicide investigators with only 6 weeks of training and hiring a non-diverse group of people that included no white males and very few Hispanics-Latinos-Spaniards of either gender seems to be a huge fail in the making for equality, diversity, fairness and competency and will be seen as such in the eyes of the community.
Wasn't the new COPA suppose to mirror the residents of the city? And, wasn't COPA suppose to create trust with the community? The COPA mirror must be broken and you can trust one thing. Trust they are up to the same-old, same-old hijinks. COPA is starting off to be no different than any other well funded corrupt city agency with no oversight. Who is going to make COPA accountable? Watch out boys and girls. COPA is coming for us and they have a barrel of money to back them up and no oversight to keep them on a straight line.
Has anyone been watching Chicago PD? They have coppers going in front of a review board headed by a four star that looks very similar to fat Albert. Just a coincidence right? The raccoon eyes and all.
There are plenty of Engineering practitioners, professors and students who would be more than happy to generate charts of force delivered by small, medium and large caliber rifles and compare them to forces at various speeds developed by humans on motorcycles, compact & full size cars and SUV's. The areas of impact vary, but the probability of impact also varies.
TL;DR Any vehicle traveling over granny walking speed has a much greater chance of hitting you than a 9mm projectile fired by a non-trained shooter. That vehicle will impart more force to anything it impacts. Pedestrians struck by vehicles are docomented evidence of damage. They obviously didn't "hop out of the way"
Seriously, one could writeba pretty decent Master's Thesis on dangers to cops by type. A car trying to mow you down would by high on the list.
"Just jump out of the way"? These yoyo's watch way to mutch TV. Add "jumping out of the way of a vehicle trying to hit you at 20MPH" as a prerequisite for management. 30 MPH for Mayor.
tell that to the people killed in Times Square the city is making a vehicle the new weapon of choice for thugs and terrorist
federal law should be passed , if you drive into a crowd or toward a first responder you will be charged with attempt murder
if you are not at the ME Office
Anonymous said...
What's to be done? Sue? Hell, they'll settle and figure it's the cost of doing business. Labor action? If only...
5/25/2017 06:55:00 AM
Question...
Since the 'new' Use of Force GO is going to put Police at Risk...
Would a Hostile Workplace Class Action Lawsuit be proper?
Would an OSHA complaint be proper since the nonsensical Use of Force order puts employees at risk of injury or death?
So anyone who says a car is not a lethal weapon is full of shit.
Damn right!
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Phil the Thrill said...
Live healthy, outlive Ed and party on his grave. I will.
Jeez, relax. Got some angry people on here.
5/25/2017 02:44:00 PM
HEY CLUELESS ASSHOLE!
There's no fucking relaxing when it comes to
the matter of life/crippling permanent injury/death
for Policemen.
Fuck you and fuck that police traitor
pseudo-superintendent...
Anonymous said...
The order more so talks about standing in front of a car and shooting at it. Just because you shoot at it doesnt make the car stop. Common sense. You you read the new order you are allowed to shoot at a car in a situation like this. Calm down everyone.
5/25/2017 02:43:00 PM
Step up, house mouse...
Let YOUR ASS be the guinea pig for this
intentionally obtuse, jack-pot directive.
The day we see some exempt member get
rubbed by Dude and come out smelling like
a rose will be the day we buy in.
Until then, you bosses are pissing up a
rope trying to sell this shit.
Bad Summer ...long range forecast .. warmer than normal temps
5/25/2017 09:16:00 AM
Weather beyond 10 days is near impossible to predict.
Well, the officer got hit and pinned by the car. He didn't die, only a broken leg.... only downplaying it by saying "only", but he didn't die. I know it could have been worse but it wasn't, it was a broken leg. If a broken leg is the extent of the injuries is it "deadly force"? If the offender hit the officer, pinned him and then there was no further action i.e. the car stopped moving then were the officers right in shooting? Did the offender reverse the car to attempt a second ram? If not then these will be the questions. Do you want to know how I know??? Because in 2002 I was in a shooting with this very scenario. It looked like it was the perfect shooting, and it was. Only to be thrown into a grinder by a civil lawyer who actually ripped us apart. my partner had a broken leg and broken knee cap on the other leg and we shot the guy three times. The civil lawyer turned the entire case upside down and got a jury to believe his garbage. two week jury trial and 830K later, no punitive but it still sucks. Car ramming cases and use of force are not as easy as you think. This one will not be as easy as you think it will be. He will be found guilty in criminal court as did our guy, but the civil part will not be as easy as you think. Only playing devils advocate here, but after going through the same exact scenario its going to be hard to defend, especially since the department adjusted the general orders on shooting at a vehicle.
VD will be found not guilty , jury will see videos of police officers gutted by thugs with a knife .
Special ed to Springfield . Dog and pony show , he's in bed with that fox and shewinkle.
Both anti police and soft on crime
*****************
hope your right. I see a hung jury and having to go through it a second time.
"8 coded jobs, 2 reports, 1 bus check." 5/25/2017 12:34:00 AM
– Slow down sonny, it ain't no competition.
Don't want that bus check to lead to an ISR.
Throw your badges at them like a white flag. Best mayor ever.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
A Woman gets her purse stolen and the result of the Police chase is a Woman and her unborn baby run over by the Offender, And the City pays out 17.5 Million. And you know the rest of that story.
5/25/2017 10:01:00 AM
Sure do............supervisor in charge is a gold star.
its A big joke, our burglary-robbery team does ISR on citizen's who have an alarm system, desperado!!!
Gianforte for supt
to 12.30pm Dan Proft IS NOT A FRIEND of a public employee.
He's made public statements that all public pensions become null & void and employees left to rot
I push a beat car everyday and have 19 years on. I have seen the changes tbis department and city have gone through. I know that if you're a worker it is extremely difficult to figbt the feeling but we must realize that every policy and change is done to minimize liability not officer safety. They want a laissez faire (hands off)department. Give it to them and keep your job. Towards that endeavor I'm coining my new job title of an MRT (Mobile Report Taker)That's what they want. They're just not telling you. Stay safe and a quick recovery to the injured officer.
I don't know why anyone is doing anything anymore. I can't believe how often I roll a stop sign after my tour at 12 am and I'm surprised how often I get stopped. I just SMH and show my star and I'm free but amazed i was even stopped.
"No idea why guys on tac are still risking their financial health and bodily health for a dept. that will stomp you the first chance it gets.
Boggles my mind."
I'm surprised I haven't been dumped yet. Only writing anovs (and drive off if it seems dodgy), arrests on signed complaints, and that's about it. ISR's if they are needed, but not as a number generator. Haven't needed a stop receipt, except maybe once. The powers that be like blue cards, but that came to an end with the body cameras, as did most activity. If it isn't a slam dunk, then no thanks. I'll take 2nd or 3rd watch whenever you find some other sucker to do more than me. Btw, I'm not proud writing all of this because I once loved this job. It is what it is at this point.
Anonymous said...
Bad Summer ...long range forecast .. warmer than normal temps
5/25/2017 09:16:00 AM
Weather beyond 10 days is near impossible to predict.
5/25/2017 08:21:00 PM
Tommy Skilling is where I would put my money on his forecasting = Warmer summer...Tommy saying pattern changing... into the 80s next weekend
I feel sorry for the CPD sergeant that lost a daughter to a non weapon attack.
I am so glad to be retired. The thought of rolling up on-viewing that and knowing that per Department policy there's nothing you can do about it is sickening.
I don't t know if you can call that "risk" when Tact Team are out there working. I've been sued before working a beat car responding to an in-progress call. Even though I've done nothing wrong, the City settled for a small amount of money just to make the case go away. Did the lawsuit discouraged me from working? Of course!! But then, I just can't sit on my behind, drive for 8.5 hours in circle, and not do anything. I'm not a "hard charger". But, it feels good when you helped someone.
5/25/2017 05:32:00 PM
You must work in a slow district then. In a busy district, handling radio assignments is more then enough work. As opposed to gang and tac getting car chases in the ghetto for a 'hot car.' Please think before you comment and embarrass yourself.
its A big joke, our burglary-robbery team does ISR on citizen's who have an alarm system, desperado!!!
You have to ask the person if they are actually the person who resides at the location of the alarm. So, yes that would be considered an investigation. So, what is the big deal. I take it you are an old school dog that jumped on the band wagon of staying fetal even though you had already reached that status prior to the ACLU debacle. You are 1 of the reasons this job has taken a nose dive.
Sure do............supervisor in charge is a gold star.
No he is the CO of a unit, not a gold star. But he was promoted to Lt. after the 17 million dollar settlement.
Anonymous said...
The academy TRAINERS should show officers LIVE how to get out of the way when a 2 ton plus vehicle is coming towards u, circling around u, drifting in any unknown directions, spins out of control in a span of seconds or a blink of an eye at an unknown hi rated speed towards u or others etc....etc...etc...etc...please someone care to shed light on the expertise of all those who can judge their super powers or superhero abilities against a Vehicle not being a deadly weapon!!!!
5/25/2017 01:50:00 PM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ask that Sgt from 011, you know he used to work as a PO at the Academy.
He's an expert on everything police work related. LOL LOL LOL
5/25/2017 08:57:00 PM,
What was his garbage?
The order more so talks about standing in front of a cuar and shooting at it. Just because you shoot at it doesnt make the car stop. Common sense. You you read the new order you are allowed to shoot at a car in a situation like this. Calm down everyone.
5/25/2017 02:43:00 PM
Shooting at a person driving a car at me may not stop the car, but when i hit my target that person won't be able to direct of operate that car at anyone else after that.
Don't talk about orders because these orders are not meant to protect you. You can be 100% right, but if those in power dont like the outcome they will interpret those orders to screw you good. And this is a good misleading order that they can twist around.
So pardon me if now I say FUCK YOU for your shitty comment.
I don't know why anyone is doing anything anymore. I can't believe how often I roll a stop sign after my tour at 12 am and I'm surprised how often I get stopped. I just SMH and show my star and I'm free but amazed i was even stopped.
5/25/2017 10:38:00 PM
You must be the worst driver in the world getting stopped that many times. Stop driving like an idiot.
Party on Special Ed's grave?
shanks, Phat Phil and TD 9.5 are first in that order, then I'll get to Special Ed.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sure do............supervisor in charge is a gold star.
No he is the CO of a unit, not a gold star. But he was promoted to Lt. after the 17 million dollar settlement.
5/26/2017 04:53:00 AM
He made captain and is now a commander .... with a gold star.
its A big joke, our burglary-robbery team does ISR on citizen's who have an alarm system, desperado!!!
You have to ask the person if they are actually the person who resides at the location of the alarm. So, yes that would be considered an investigation. So, what is the big deal. I take it you are an old school dog that jumped on the band wagon of staying fetal even though you had already reached that status prior to the ACLU debacle. You are 1 of the reasons this job has taken a nose dive.
You are trying to justify this type of ISR as a police investigation? That is your idea of police work. No wonder the CPD is in the state it's in
special ed and the scum politicians should tell the terrorists that a vehicle is not a weapon. they will be laughing all the way to their next attack
Anonymous said...
Well, the officer got hit and pinned by the car. He didn't die, only a broken leg.... only downplaying it by saying "only", but he didn't die. I know it could have been worse but it wasn't, it was a broken leg. If a broken leg is the extent of the injuries is it "deadly force"? If the offender hit the officer, pinned him and then there was no further action i.e. the car stopped moving then were the officers right in shooting? Did the offender reverse the car to attempt a second ram? If not then these will be the questions. Do you want to know how I know??? Because in 2002 I was in a shooting with this very scenario. It looked like it was the perfect shooting, and it was. Only to be thrown into a grinder by a civil lawyer who actually ripped us apart. my partner had a broken leg and broken knee cap on the other leg and we shot the guy three times. The civil lawyer turned the entire case upside down and got a jury to believe his garbage. two week jury trial and 830K later, no punitive but it still sucks. Car ramming cases and use of force are not as easy as you think. This one will not be as easy as you think it will be. He will be found guilty in criminal court as did our guy, but the civil part will not be as easy as you think. Only playing devils advocate here, but after going through the same exact scenario its going to be hard to defend, especially since the department adjusted the general orders on shooting at a vehicle.
5/25/2017 08:57:00 PM
Sorry for what you went through, but General Orders are not state law and that's what governs the 'right or wrong' of shooting this attempt-murderer.
Retired Florida officer 30 years. In an active reserve position now. Our use of force policy is defense of self or another. I am glad I never had to work in Chicago. You guys have it rough.
All things being equal an' shit...
How come Rahm, the knee-walking city council,
Steak-head Ed and the exempts aren't running
local media public announcements directed toward
Dude Inc. about NOT using motor vehicles as weapons
against The Police?
>Crickets<
Ohhhh, ok...
The Policeman is the only one in that equation
with compelling rules to abide by, or else.
Prima Facie evidence that "conditions of
municipal employment" is actually the conferring
of de facto indentured servitude/legislative serfdom
because Policemen wear a blue suit of clothes and
"swore an oath" as the willfully blind/deliberately obtuse/
joyously hateful fall all over themselves to point out
every time The Police utter a peep in protest regarding
this vile and corrosive mindset.
Police Like You Have No Friends.
Protect Yourselves From THEM
At ALL COSTS.
Give THEM what they Deserve
Which Is NOTHING.
NO Forcible Intervention As THEY
Cannibalize EACH OTHER, Then Bitch And Cry
When YOU Aren't So Fast To Save THEM
From EACH OTHER.
REFUSE To Insert Yourselves Into The
Middle of THEIR HATRED FOR EACH OTHER!
"Why y'all actin' like y'all don't
care about US?"
Easy...
We take YOUR cue from how little
you regard yourselves and each other.
>Mic Drop & A Walk-Off...<
Hey so it's okay for cops to run perps down with a vehicle right? Just call it intermediate blunt force. It's certainly not deadly force!
We need more crossing guards with thier stop signs.
I don't t know if you can call that "risk" when Tact Team are out there working. I've been sued before working a beat car responding to an in-progress call. Even though I've done nothing wrong, the City settled for a small amount of money just to make the case go away. Did the lawsuit discouraged me from working? Of course!! But then, I just can't sit on my behind, drive for 8.5 hours in circle, and not do anything. I'm not a "hard charger". But, it feels good when you helped someone.
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Yes you definitely call it risk. You can still work on a beat car if you want without the nonsense of a quota that tac imposes (albeit not officially wink wink).
I don't know why anyone is doing anything anymore. I can't believe how often I roll a stop sign after my tour at 12 am and I'm surprised how often I get stopped. I just SMH and show my star and I'm free but amazed i was even stopped.
5/25/2017 10:38:00 PM
Why don't you try stopping at the stop signs, you entitled piece of shit? Gotta save that 2 seconds on your commute?
Been in business for 30 years. Insurance company rep advised that if I changed a SOP from industry standards I wouldn't be covered and would be liable for any injuries. Seems that a directive of no defense from a vehicle attack would fall under that, call Loevy & Loevy.........
He should test his theory and see if he can move away from a moving vehicle 😡
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