CFD Shooting
- An off-duty Chicago Fire Department lieutenant fatally shot a teenage boy who tried to steal his car Monday morning in the West Side Austin neighborhood.
About 9:30 a.m., the 45-year-old lieutenant left his vehicle running in the 1400 block of North Lockwood, when a 17-year-old boy got inside and tried to drive off, according to Chicago Police and Fire department officials.
The lieutenant fired his weapon at the teen, who was trying to run him over with the vehicle, authorities said.
Concealed Carry prevents another crime? In Chicago?
So does he get 30 days off the street now?
We kid! We kid! Nice shooting there Lieutenant.
So does he get 30 days off the street now?
We kid! We kid! Nice shooting there Lieutenant.
Labels: fire fighters, shooting
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
68 Comments:
Should be good shoot since his UofF as a CCL holder goes through the state and not CPD's. Imagine if a copper did this nowadays...
Well...'bye!
I'm not saying anything about the shooting, but why did the victim leave his car running unattended? Then the little shithead wouldn't had nothing to steal.
Never let it be said the police stand in the way of allowing someone to exercise they're constitutional right to self defense. Outstanding job. Outstanding.
I guess a car is a weapon if you are a fireman.
Hey Jordan Owen of the Scum-Times, you are a real jerk. The offender was not a 17 year-old boy! He was a psychopathic felon who happened to be 17 years-old. There is a huge difference.
Hope he can prove it.....
I thought a vehicle wasn't a deadly weapon? CCW can shoot and the police can't?
Best wishes to the lieutenant and his family.
Seek counseling if you need to.
Talk to your minister, priest, or a good friend.
So if that was an off duty PO would they be fired for not "moving out of the way"?
But I thought that vehicles weren't deadly weapons and so it'd just bounce off the Lt. if it hit him...
Oh man, Special Ed is gonna be PISSED...
Since he can't suspend the fireman, I heard Special Ed has already stripped the copper who took the report!
Why would you leave your car running, especially in the ghetto. Good thing he's not a cop, otherwise he would be screwed. People trying to run down cops with a car isn't deadly force in Chicago.
This will get quietly swept under the rug due to the area of where the shooting occurred and the race of the Lt and car thief. If it was a white Lt in Eddison Park capping a black student driver the sky would fall and reverunds would be demanding that the Federal Gubment take over the Fire Department.
Welcome to our world of lawsuits, protests and further persecution, happiness is a warm gun...
I thought vehicles can't be used as a weapon? Couldn't he just do a matrix move and jump over the vehicle. Are they going to get a new General order saying they can't carry guns off duty? Oops sorry I was think about CPD and their restrictive rules & regs.
I thought we weren't allowed to shoot at vehicles trying to run us over? Or does that rule just apply to the police?
He gone!
They'll still blame the police.
The Superintendent has more questions than answers and requested that the CFD place the Lieutenant on indefinite desk duty. The responding officers and detectives have been stripped instead.
I love a happy ending!
Bad guy DEAD! Good guy with a gun goes home!
No Charges!
We need more CCL people on the streets!
It's mind blowing reading social media comments on this shooting. "He did leave his vehicle running illegally!" "He could've just given up the vehicle and didn't have to shoot him!" "Now someone is dead over a vehicle!" This liberal, hug-a-thug, hippy bullshit has gotten out of control. Stolen vehicle's and vehicle hijackings have been ridiculous over the past two years. Yet all these fuckers want to do is be sympathetic to these POS's who steal everything that isn't bolted down and shoot at everything that moves. What about the 85yr old recently who was hijacked? She gave up the keys peacefully and they STILL pistol whipped her and kicked her while she was down. An 85yr old woman for fuck sake. This is why crime is the way it is. Sympathy for the criminals and fuck over the victims and cops constantly.
Congrats, now the shit show begins. Fireman's save kittens Cops shoot innocent kids. Is he going to be run over by a firetruck instead of a bus?
a real chicago hero.........
thank you mr fireman
Print out the case reports and have them handy. If this Lt. does not get reprimanded or charged and you do, you can use this incident against dept. policy. If he can...we can too.
Of course a silent Kevin Grahm FOP administration.
I love stories with a happy ending.
Good for him. Let it be a lesson to the other graduates who want to steal.
so what does the fact that he is a fireman have to do with anything related to a 17 year old asshole shouldn't try to take something that is not his or you end up dead, and rightfully so. Those dam democrat guns keep killing the wrong people
The NRA loves to hear about these stories!
They were running a commercial about their assistance and benefits for their members with conceal carry permits.
For as often as the firefighters will brag about how intelligent they were to get "in the right line" (as opposed to the line to be a cop), I at least have the sense to not leave my running car unattended, whether in the hood or in Naperville.
Good shoot/bad shoot won't matter in terms of the civil lawsuit he will face. Remember, they don't need a win, just a settlement. Good luck with your many years ahead in court, real hero. You will probably lose your house just trying to pay for a lawyer.
A little common sense goes a long way, my friends.
remember, only a cop in Illinois needs the 'imminent danger' part. A civilian can use deadly force simply to PREVENT a forcible felony (BTW veh. theft is NOT a forcible felony, but robbery is).
(720 ILCS 5/7-3) (from Ch. 38, par. 7-3)
Sec. 7-3. Use of force in defense of other property.
(a) A person is justified in the use of force against another when and to the extent that he reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to prevent or terminate such other's trespass on or other tortious or criminal interference with either real property (other than a dwelling) or personal property, lawfully in his possession or in the possession of another who is a member of his immediate family or household or of a person whose property he has a legal duty to protect. However, he is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
(b) In no case shall any act involving the use of force justified under this Section give rise to any claim or liability brought by or on behalf of any person acting within the definition of "aggressor" set forth in Section 7-4 of this Article, or the estate, spouse, or other family member of such a person, against the person or estate of the person using such justified force, unless the use of force involves willful or wanton misconduct.
(Source: P.A. 93-832, eff. 7-28-04.)
(720 ILCS 5/2-8) (from Ch. 38, par. 2-8)
Sec. 2-8. "Forcible felony". "Forcible felony" means treason, first degree murder, second degree murder, predatory criminal sexual assault of a child, aggravated criminal sexual assault, criminal sexual assault, robbery, burglary, residential burglary, aggravated arson, arson, aggravated kidnaping, kidnaping, aggravated battery resulting in great bodily harm or permanent disability or disfigurement and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
(Source: P.A. 88-277; 89-428, eff. 12-13-95; 89-462, eff. 5-29-96.)
The fire department embraces and bargained a "me too" clause or parity with the police department.
Bend over lietenant here comes COPA, Moprah, IPRA, The InJustice Department, Black. Lives Matter, made up denominational street level Reverends, suits from the fbi, Loevy & Loevy and the arch nemesis Eddie the Stripper. Next the media will advance themes like his hands were up, he was shot in the back, the 17 year old entrepreneur was turning his life around to support his four children and assorted baby mamas, he was working on his GED and other diversions from personal responsibility and consequences of his choice to perpetuate criminal behavior.
"Me too" clause. Welcome to the world of CPD. And all the redundant statements where written or oral which must be exact since a minor mistake can give all of your enemies ammunition to advance themes of conspiracies, coverups, corruption, collusion, civil right violations, policy violations, etc.
The microscopic review by some many authorities conducting parallel investigations with so many variations of what occurred will threaten your existence with threats of imprisonment, termination and bigger payouts rewarding criminal actions in the form of cash for family members who didn't bother to raise their career criminal right and as an added qbonus, making the representative lawyers accomplices six figures richer. Any reasonable lawyer will tell you crime does not pay. The chances criminals take are not worth the monetary or legal consequences.
Momma " He played football, he played baseball and had many mentors" No accountability ever never their fault.
The Fire Lieutenant is thanking GOD
that he is not an off-duty Chicago Policeman
forced to defend himself from a typical urban
hyena.
Rahm, Ed and especially Kim "I'm Avenging
My Peoples & Folkses" Foxx would be making
sure he is being lynched for protecting himself
from a member of a protected demographic
deemed to be an endangered species.
Kinda like being overrun with a flock of
Canada Geese rendering your spacious
lawn unuseable.
>Noise and Shit all over everything<
You can't do anything to "mitigate"
them or you'll be in a world of trouble.
Honestly glad the fireman is okay but first you left your car running unattended second you must have ran in front of him while he was trying to make good his escape with your property third good luck in civil court. Think you'll find a stolen recovered vehicle covered by insurance no doubt would have been the easier choice here. But hey what do I know.
The vehicle is not a weapon, is a bull shit CPD policy. Under the state law he was justified. That is as long as his story is accurate.
I notice that the media treated this differently than they would if it was a copper involved. If a copper was off-duty and was acting as a citizen, (not announcing office), they would mention all of the CR numbers and lawsuits the copper had every been around. I'm glad the fireman is okay.
As my great grand daddy would say. Smell ya later...
Culling the herd.
I can absolutely, positively say without a shadow of a doubt that the slain honor student will NEVER commit another crime ever again.
Mighty fine shootin' there pardner!
SOLID!!
Hope the Lt doesn't get hosed. Yes, pun intended.
Watching the mutt's family on the news- "he was a good boy!" No, he was a thug. "He played football!" No, he was a thug Who played football. "he was a basketball player!" No, he was a two sport thug. "He had lots of mentors!" No, he was a thug who didn't listen.
I don't care if the offender is nine, he's pointing a gun or trying run me over; he a damn criminal period and best wishes to the CFD Lt. Hey, welcome to my world, it's a bitch.
Special Ed is looking for a way to fire the Lt.-for his own good.
Our Mickey Mouse IAD will find something to charge him with. Probably Conduct unbecoming.... the famous fallback when they cant pin anything on you. He'll get fired and get his job back and have to fight for back pay. Kangaroo Court!!!!
I am sick of the blame the victim mentality, the punk should have learned at a very young age, as I did, IF IT AIN'T YOURS, DON'T TOUCH IT!!! Car running does not give anyone, but the owner, the right to take the car...
Same friend that posted earlier. Released without charges!!!! CFD brass is driving him home now!!!!! Thank God the victim is safe. He's a great guy, cool as a cucumber, and I've never seen him mad.
A teenage boy eh?
Correct me if I am wrong here, but isn't grand theft auto prosecuted as an adult crime at the age of 17?
God bless the LT.
Leave your car running all you want.
Have the ability to protect yourself,
your family and your own property.
It is the way it should be.
Sooner or later the shit heads will
begin to learn what their parents should
Have thought them at age 3
"DON'T TAKE SHIT THAT DON'T BELONG TO YOU."
F the shit head.
Great job CFD! Glad your safe,and doing what you had to do rather that injuring this pos, which would of brought you massive problems, the scum is taking the well deserved dirt nap,more like this will make Chicago a better place to live! when the predators become the prey that is going to make "Chicago safe again!" God bless you lieutenant!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Print out the case reports and have them handy. If this Lt. does not get reprimanded or charged and you do, you can use this incident against dept. policy. If he can...we can too.
Of course a silent Kevin Grahm FOP administration.
8/22/2017 07:39:00 AM
Another failed fop leader kevin "silent" graham just like dean! Another "mistake" kevin was like a bull in a china shop, then rahm put baby back in his corner and the silence is deafening right kevin?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Print out the case reports and have them handy. If this Lt. does not get reprimanded or charged and you do, you can use this incident against dept. policy. If he can...we can too.
Of course a silent Kevin Grahm FOP administration.
Doesn't work like that. If a civilian can we can. Stupid. He does not have to follow CPD directives or general orders
Who is going to reprimand him? CFD, the same department where one of their exempts struck a CPD marine unit officer. Yea they promoted him and everything went away
I love stories with a happy ending.
8/22/2017 07:44:00 AM
Me, too! And, when one comes your way, it should be thoroughly enjoyed!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Print out the case reports and have them handy. If this Lt. does not get reprimanded or charged and you do, you can use this incident against dept. policy. If he can...we can too.
Of course a silent Kevin Grahm FOP administration.
Doesn't work like that. If a civilian can we can. Stupid. He does not have to follow CPD directives or general orders
Who is going to reprimand him? CFD, the same department where one of their exempts struck a CPD marine unit officer. Yea they promoted him and everything went away
8/22/2017 04:01:00 PM
Remember that cfd boss drunk city vehicle smashed it with his girlfriend in the car a fat paramedic? he retired got the big pension, heard though his wife left him! the sad part the coppers got into shit,not the bosses who swept it under the rug nope the hard working bastardized blue shirts as always! Bosses all have the same rules none!
love how its a "boy" and a "teen". i.e. a bambi, a tiny little fawn, an innocent creature
Didn't the decadent just enroll in the HOKEY POKEY CLINIC, a place to turn your life around?
Bang bang
Yes
Title says "teen" but article multiple times says "boy".
I guess then I was s 17 year old "boy" when I was in the USMC.
Why does the headline have to include "CFD member and 17 year old"? Why cant it be " Legally armed citizen defends his life and property against carjacker would be murderer who attempted to run him down" What difference does it make what his profession is? Are his rights any less than a doctor, lawyer, Indian Chief just because he is a city employee? A 17 year old is not a "boy", cant wait for the pictures of him at 12 to start showing up in the media proclaiming his innocence of youth.
When the city jams him up or the perpetually aggrieved catered to constituency files the lawsuits, we will see the biggest suspension party in history. When the city tries to shut that down he will find donations in his mailbox or independent go fund me set up.
For those that say its just a car, should have let him go, where is your line drawn? OK, take my phone, wallet, car,,,,how about house? If its OK to violently take these other things, why not come through your front door and take what they want? At some point violent criminality needs to met with violent self defense by the ordinary citizenry. And, ponder this, what if he took the car with no consequences, hours later same car is used in a typical drive by where the intended target just gets a knick and some random kid gets lit up for being in the wrong place wrong time, is it OK to just let him have the car then?
To hell with this POS, he learned the hard way of thug life. To the Lt, hope you can get his stains and funk out of YOUR car, and if you get jammed up I will be spending money at your party like a sailor on leave
Special Ed sending the good Lt to callback
The on duty CPD officer is on trail in federal court for same thing
From the stories my CFD friends & acquaintances tell me they often arrive on scene prior to CPD backup.and they might be subjected to intimidation and serious threats of bodily harm (polite manner of suggesting the neighborhood thugs wanna f@@k them over.) Today when even firefighters are not respected for their LIFE SAVING CAPABILITIES, maybe they should have one of the crew licensed to carry for self- defense beyond the civilian C.C. laws...
Most excellent shooting, good job by the CFD Leiutenant. This thug won't be victimizing anyone else.
Citizen reader here. Parent said he was a good kid many notable achevments
Anonymous Anonymous said...
From the stories my CFD friends & acquaintances tell me they often arrive on scene prior to CPD backup.and they might be subjected to intimidation and serious threats of bodily harm (polite manner of suggesting the neighborhood thugs wanna f@@k them over.) Today when even firefighters are not respected for their LIFE SAVING CAPABILITIES, maybe they should have one of the crew licensed to carry for self- defense beyond the civilian C.C. laws...
What a great idea. Lol. They have a fire truck and a CPD car there and now you want one armed?
Will be even happier if the death of this thug is included in August's gun violence stats.
By labeling the 17 year old as a 'boy,' it implies that he has the IQ of a 1st grader.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Citizen reader here. Parent said he was a good kid many notable achevments
8/23/2017 07:00:00 AM
They all are. Honor roll, loved basketball, made everyone laugh, aspired to be a accountant......and while waiting for his life to turn around he stole, robbed and beat innocent people.
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