TRR Class - Good Point
Building on yesterday's post about the voluminous amount of information demanded by the new TRR, someone brought up this point:
- The first thing officers need to ask with the new TRR is "is there a CR # for this incident?". If it's a Taser deploy or firearms discharge, it's automatic, don't complete the TRR until counsel is secured. If the incident isn't a Taser or shooting, ask the bad guy if he is going to file a complaint. If yes, get a supervisor and again, no TRR until you secure counsel. The new system is designed to trickbag you at every turn. Don't let it bite you in the ass. FOP should get in front of this now.
Every single TRR involving a weapon (taser, baton, gun, OC, many mechanical strikes) is going to be attached to a CL/CR number.
Guaranteed.
If not immediately upon notifying a supervisor, then during the debriefing/processing in the station. And once a CR is known to exist, we don't see how you can be permitted (or expected) to answer questions without being served Administrative Rights at the very least. Nor do we see how any answer, whether written or oral, can be answered without (A) a direct order and (B) without the FOP Disclaimer statement attached. Any supervisor asking an officer questions when the supervisor knows there is a CL/CR is (A) screwing the investigation and (B) opening themselves up for a certain lawsuit with provable punitive damages.
Has this come up in training at all? We haven't seen it in the comments. This is looking worse and worse the closer it gets to roll out.
Guaranteed.
If not immediately upon notifying a supervisor, then during the debriefing/processing in the station. And once a CR is known to exist, we don't see how you can be permitted (or expected) to answer questions without being served Administrative Rights at the very least. Nor do we see how any answer, whether written or oral, can be answered without (A) a direct order and (B) without the FOP Disclaimer statement attached. Any supervisor asking an officer questions when the supervisor knows there is a CL/CR is (A) screwing the investigation and (B) opening themselves up for a certain lawsuit with provable punitive damages.
Has this come up in training at all? We haven't seen it in the comments. This is looking worse and worse the closer it gets to roll out.
Labels: department issues, info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:09 AM
56 Comments:
Issue bar code labels to keep track of shocks,
baton prods, beatings.
Sounds good but just because the bad guy says "no" to making a complaint at the time doesn't mean he won't get one later. This is a disaster! The only way to protect yourselves is avoiding trouble the best you can. Remember, bosses have nothing to worry about. They're sitting inside safe physically and financially watching TV and surfing the net.
It is evident that this Order is in response to community agitators and the ACLU - meant to help them and not the police. Thanks Rahm, you fucking asshole.
Watch for bosses to sound off with, "Officer you got nothing to worry about, go ahead and fill out the report." Just look at the back stabbing Lts. and Capts. now making rank. Do you think any of them will have your best interest at heart? Think again.
Stay FETAL to avoid.
Fuck! 3 years to go and sweating it. Wish I had chosen a different path.
When i took the training none of this was even touched upon. This is all new to me.
Golly Gosh, I knew doing a new TRR would take a whole tour, but two days is to much! Make sure you fill out a slip!
While I disagree with the narrative for a TRR, under the commenters logic then no case report or arrest report until you secure counsel. Pretty asinine statement.
You have the power to stop this.......Strength " In Numbers " Stay Fetal and let them kill each other ,There's no down side to that ! Besides it will hasen the demise of that Rat Fink Bastard on the 5th floor. No money for police man power or pensions but this Jagoff's got plenty of OUR tax dollars to give to illegals and protect THEM instead of the people that make this State somewhat livable... Fuck you ,tiny dancer ,eat shit and die !!!
The new TRR came from attorneys in Washington. It's the worst part of the new use of force training
Hey, here's a concept for you to mull over. Wait until the FOP irons this whole mess out. I've spoken to the guys upstairs at length about this vey issue and they're involved in discussions with the city as to the problems and potential problems about the entire Use of Force draft order. If the Department and/or city won't bend on this thing, they already have a plan, but like a good poker player they won't show their cards until they have to.
SCC, I know you've got our best interests at heart, but you are giving the Department ammo to use against us while the union is trying to rectify this.
Why is D/C Calloway still in charge of the academy? FYI everyone,this might be "old"news for some however,Calloawy was "turned down" for the head of security for University of Chicago director of security job,I wonder way....LMAO
The Brain Drain Exempts never thought of this.
Anonymous said...
It is evident that this Order is in response to community agitators and the ACLU - meant to help them and not the police. Thanks Rahm, you fucking asshole.
Watch for bosses to sound off with, "Officer you got nothing to worry about, go ahead and fill out the report." Just look at the back stabbing Lts. and Capts. now making rank. Do you think any of them will have your best interest at heart? Think again.
8/08/2017 12:32:00 AM
Yes heard that many times as the knife was turned and then in federal court the words that teach "Officer on the stand state your assets and liabilities" as you sit there no bosses to be found!
Then there is this:Emanuel's latest emails: High-speed O'Hare tunnel, rapper's charter school pitch
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-rahm-emanuel-emails-ohare-tunnel-met-08-08-20170807-1-story.html
And the money shot excerpt from story:One week after the lunch, Emanuel's campaign reported a maximum $5,600 campaign contribution from Gracias, whose Chicago-based Valor Equity has invested in SpaceX — Musk's California-based company that builds and launches rockets and spacecraft. On the same day, Emanuel also recorded a second maximum contribution from Gracias' wife, Sabrina Gracias, records show.
Ahh yes typical "pay for play" in Chicago with this corrupt mayor where are the feds? Talk about low hanging fruit,if they get this guy watch all the other sheep to comply would be great, lets get rahms hollywood brother to do the reality series here when Sessions finally comes, the aldermen squealing watch how fast the pins are rolled down and then we could save millions as these self righteous thieves are marched off in orage jumpsuits the sooner the better!
Never use force!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Respond in a timely fashion. Establish a "zone of safety". Just talk to the offender until the cows come home.
I've noticed during my career that jobs take longer and longer because of all of the BS required. I could literally handle 1 or 2 jobs a night if everything is done to painful standard. EX: The hamburger that the offender is carrying. A friend or family member must be called to secure the food. The food is inventoried and then turned over to the friend or family member. Even if destroyed it must first be inventoried. Pathetic. Same for lighters.
SJW and echo chamber religious affinity.... AKA ((( ))) love the new policies, and claim they are improving society. Rrrriiiigggghhhhhhhhtttt.
Great food for thought SCC
Well our commander keeps telling us at roll call that nothing has really changed. To not be afraid to go hands on if need be. I wonder when the last arrest he made was? I sure don't hear him out there making stops or responding to any jobs. I wonder if he was a lowly blue shirt how he would feel? How he would patrol? All he cares about now is how his numbers look at compstat.
Anonymous said...
While I disagree with the narrative for a TRR, under the commenters logic then no case report or arrest report until you secure counsel. Pretty asinine statement.
8/08/2017 05:48:00 AM
Really? There is a big difference between "used necessary force to take the subject into custody" and a detailed account of exactly how that was done. Thank you for your asnine comment. If you can't see the difference, I feel bad for the guys that work with you.
This doesn't just apply to questions from supervisors. This also applies to questions from detectives. In fact, it is even more important in when it comes to detectives, because Garrity does not apply. You must have written proof that you have been ordered to speak.
Trick bag indeed.
Why an automatic CR/CL...even before there's a complainant?
What happened is the Department feels that under community organizer Special Ed, every instance of force is deliberate attack on the community. Remember who's getting the bulk of CRs and criminal allegations.
Lo Energy Jugghead the complainant (ignotum per ignotius), has become the peoples advocate now.
Take a page from Rahms Playbook...let the lawless criminals conduct their bidness without any interference.
Stay out of ghetto affairs.
No thanks, already been second guessed by our supervisor for a basic ass control technique that (according to Supervisor) didn't look good on the OWC. This will only get worse with more nit-picking as force gets elevated. Unless fellow brothers and sisters calling for help, I'll be in an undisclosed viaduct somewhere enjoying Netflix. What a shame, I hate sitting still doing nothing. There's really no other option at this point in time. I've had enough trips down to Corp Counsel for my liking.
Don't do shit and if your some how involved in an incident, don't say shit until you talk to an attorney.
Said it before...Go to the hospital. Say nothing at all. Get a lawyer. Come in with a lawyer. Let them shit, scream and figure it out then. Save yourself lots of future trouble.
This just reinforces one thing......DO NOTHING!!!!!!! and if you do decide to stick your neck out...DO THE MINIMUM!!!!! If the shithead aka-"the offender" decides to run away.....let him run.
With a city Corporation Council that hands out tax dollars like candy on any bs lawsuit why wouldn't arrestees file a complaint and sue. The city would rather cut a check to connected scumbag lawyers than go to court and fight these bogus lawsuits. Suing cops is a huge industry in this country. Only do your basic duties. Don't chase anyone. Let the criminal devour one another.
Here is an idea. Have FOP hire enough lawyers to cover every district with at least two lawyers to cover POs when incidents occur that could put their careers in question. Fill out no forms, speak to supervisor's, etc. until the lawyer shows up on scene. "Dispatch, request lawyer, supervisor, ETs and ambulance. 10-4"
A CL # has always been generated for a Taser deployment.
CL number vs. CR number
We've always had to get a CL number for taser or OC or firearm deployments.
Wouldn't this be the time for the FOP to step up and get involved. You have to be proactive instead of reactive before the damage is done. Hire a few defense attorneys and former prosecutors to review all the new policies, orders and directives the CPD is putting out. Have them determine if they are unconstitutional, illegal and make sure they are not in violation on our contract. Then the FOP should have a procedure that protects the rights of every officer. It has to be written so everyone knows what to do and the CPD will be aware these are legal rights of the officers. Contact the other big cities like New York and LA, maybe even the FBI and use their guidelines to form our guidelines. It would be hard for the CPD and the administration to argue that we aren't allowed the same rights as other big city officers and arguably the best departments in the US. Mirror their guidelines
Now is the time to get ahead of the game and with Sessions heading the DOJ, they might hinders us less
Well it looks like even though we are rid of Deano, we still have a do nothing FOP President. Why isn't the website covering the topic? At least there is a seminar on how to protect your assets from predator lawyers. Perhaps active members should start to vette potential lawyers in the event they need one. Why depend on a FOP attorney when they can't even inform the membership of this coming disaster, just like they blew off the ISR repercussions. And why do we need Fat Head Ed's picture on the website's home page?
Retired .38 spl +P
You guys keep working because your not dogs. LMAO remember dogs get put on leashes. Just answer your calls that is it and if need a report do it or signed complaints if valid.
TRR Narrative: see attached case report under RD#JA123456
Domestic Abuser Attacks Cop Trying To Arrest Him, Then Victim Grabs His Baton And Unleashes Her Fury
By Cowgirl On August 7, 2017 5 Comments
https://bluelivesmatter.blue/kanon-charbonneau-kootenai-county/
I heard the TRR no longer includes any info on what the offenders actions were..... the only focus of the TRR now is solely the officers actions.
What does that tell you?
Read the writing on the wall..... stay extremely fetal.
How about the F.O.P creating a form the City is MAKING us take this class with the "We Are Only Taking This Class Under Duress..." It's not in the Officers best interest and will cost jobs,families and Officers lives.
Just a civilian here, but I support police officers 100%. Content of the class varies from one class to another? Could this be deliberate, to sow seeds of confusion and to divide the police? Don't know how realistic this is, but it appears to me that the FOP needs to protect its members by putting together its own class. Something that helps cops defend themselves (as much as possible), to minimize the casualties during this war on the police. Not a physical class, of course, but maybe something online or downloadable. Something that details every step of your self-defense. Godspeed, men and women in blue. Decent civilians are still counting on you, but we do understand your situation. At this point, I agree with Stay Fetal.
It's time to reach out to the D.O.J. to review this whole mess and suspend it as being unreasonable in the time of a violence crisis.
Don't count on FOP to do anything. They are all going to Nashville in a few weeks with our dues money for a convention. Might work out better since then Garza won't hang up on me about FTOs working details.
Still waiting for this new crew to start fighting the city on shit and being by more vocal like they put all over Facebook during election. If you don't believe me, call FOP and see who is there.
chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/emails-show-rahm-used-sanctuary-city-issue-to-bolster-national-image/ via @suntimes.....Beware! Dick Durbin
Check your office for a hidden box...
Rahm "Dicked" Daley...and he's gonna
"Dick" Durbin... hahaha... hahaha!
Officers involved in any shooting remember you only have to answer to God anyone else will throw you under the bus...
without re reading the post as I did 12 hours ago. Simple fix is no IOD, medical report or information pertaining to officers attached.
Maybe just "officer treated by physician at accredited hospital as result/caused of/by offenders actions.
I don't recall.
Officers, you have nothing to worry about from these minor changes, when you are right I will have your backs 100%! - rahm emmanuel
CPD getting railroaded in a kangaroo court show-trial environment...the Rahmista's are just beating you guys like a dead horse...stay fetal & figure out ways to get some revenge on those who are out to get you...like if they call for help arrive real real late etc,,,if they're taking incoming, arrive really really late :)
Worse and worse is right! And, Lori Heavyhand wants it be be even worse from there. She's never worked in a beat car, but she knows what is better for society and the police department. Ride the streets in a beat car there Lori for 5 years or more and then your assessment might make sense. The other evening on WTTW she said she loves the CPD, but she omitted the "to fuck over".
Write one narrative and make referrals on the other reports to the first narrative. Stay consistent.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Never use force!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Respond in a timely fashion. Establish a "zone of safety". Just talk to the offender until the cows come home.
I've noticed during my career that jobs take longer and longer because of all of the BS required. I could literally handle 1 or 2 jobs a night if everything is done to painful standard. EX: The hamburger that the offender is carrying. A friend or family member must be called to secure the food. The food is inventoried and then turned over to the friend or family member. Even if destroyed it must first be inventoried. Pathetic. Same for lighters.
SJW and echo chamber religious affinity.... AKA ((( ))) love the new policies, and claim they are improving society. Rrrriiiigggghhhhhhhhtttt.
8/08/2017 08:45:00 AM
I've always said if you ever want to paralyze the department strictly adhere to all General Orders.
Things would grind to a halt rather quickly.
Find a job with a small town dept as far from Chicago as possible. The Chi-Town folks don't need you any more. They know better.
Really? There is a big difference between "used necessary force to take the subject into custody" and a detailed account of exactly how that was done. Thank you for your asnine comment. If you can't see the difference, I feel bad for the guys that work with you.
8/08/2017 09:10:00 AM
Stay retired, that statement hasnt been acceptable in years.
Anonymous said...
Don't count on FOP to do anything. They are all going to Nashville in a few weeks with our dues money for a convention. Might work out better since then Garza won't hang up on me about FTOs working details.
Still waiting for this new crew to start fighting the city on shit and being by more vocal like they put all over Facebook during election. If you don't believe me, call FOP and see who is there.
8/08/2017 01:13:00 PM
Some of the current FTO's have 3 years otj and are legitimately the lowest seniority person on the watch guess what sweety reverse seniority until your ppo who doesnt know shit gets off probation.7-10 years minimum for FTO's should be mandatory.
The dumb dumbs run the circus!!!! Ha!!!!! Ha!!!! Ha!!!! Dummies!!!!
Merit Merit Merit Merit bosses. Need u say more. Years ago the merit bosses just took promotions and let the real bosses handle business. The merits today are to dumb to sit back and watch. They gotta try to make names for themselves and continually embarrass the department (rules violation....but not for the dumbest).
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sounds good but just because the bad guy says "no" to making a complaint at the time doesn't mean he won't get one later. This is a disaster! The only way to protect yourselves is avoiding trouble the best you can. Remember, bosses have nothing to worry about. They're sitting inside safe physically and financially watching TV and surfing the net.
8/08/2017 12:19:00 AM
Exactly! To hell with "blue flu" just don't do shit!
Bare minimum, nothing proactive.
I'm putting in my retirement papers next month out of this shit hole!
Class oh August 1990!
This seems so outlandish it's hardly believable. But I have better solution: You cannot get jammed up if you don't play the game. Meaning don't engage in anything that might give even the slightest feeling that you'll have to use force or put your hands on somebody. Barring 10-1s ( and real ones not bullshit ones initiated because of poor judgement by some Johnny Rambo moron) you shouldn't be doing shit. Let them fight and maim each other don't rush to jump out of the car. Running after person with gun calls with lights or on foot and you're asking for it. You know what is more important than catching a shitbag with a pistol and two baggies in the hood? A steady paycheck and a good nights rest.
Remeber this is what they wanted.
Sgt from 011 brought this up last month at the training, the instructors and the 2 bosses at the class had no answer for him.
WHY?????
Why on earth would you do anything for this city! Go to work with blinders on an tunnel vision your only job is to get home safe!!!! You will get the same paycheck if you do arrests or do nothing! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!! Give the democrats the lawless city they want and get the piece of shit rahm out that much faster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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