CATA Training
HQ is going to swipe in and out? This will be entertaining:
For many, this will be the first time "working" a full day in years, decades in some cases.
Come back to the watch - you might get a late lunch if your lucky.
Come back to the watch - you might get a late lunch if your lucky.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
60 Comments:
The fact they couldn’t even get something as simple as the dates correct does not instill great confidence in me. Idiots.
They said; swipe in and swipe out. They never said anything about working all day. To funny!
Openings at HQ?
The 23rd is a Monday, and the 24th is a Tuesday. It states on the form the sessions will held on Tues., and Wed. Does anyone have any information? I hope a FOP rep. attends one of the informational seminars.
I'm trying to make a phone call...I'm sorry but the number you are trying to reach has been disconnected....My rolodex sucks!
Oh, no! I lost my i.d.
I'll have to get a new one.
Now, I can show my old i.d. to anyone who stops me on the way home.
And my new I.d. will be in the hands of the one person who's designated to swipe for all of us on any given day.
See how easy that was?
Voluntary = You don't get paid????
We go thru this charade every few years. A full day. Who're you kidding?
It’ll last about as long as the other 3 swiping programs tried since the early 80s have........as in not very
I have no problem working a full tour. I do already. But when I “badge out” at the end of the tour I want to be treated like an ordinary citizen. Freedom of speech, freedom of association, the right not to incriminate myself, all without fear of departmental discipline.
Ill be closely watching the exempts.
See problems right away:
The Ferris B. day off guy gives his card to a
cohort. Cohort uses card to arrive, track as much
or little activity as desired, then checks out for the day.
It came to this due to decades of abuse.
I remember them trying this at least ten years ago. How much money was wasted on that and the subsequent failed systems? This one is going to be different? Shuuuuure.
Hmm, seems like they tried this before. I’d really love to know how much was paid and to whom for that last fiasco that never worked. Had to be a connected somebody who needed a handout that ultimately came from the tax paying public.
I wonder who’s got their hand out this time for a system that will likely fail again. Man, these fuckers never quit raping this City.
The very first step in Police reform? Every city employee at city hall should be rquired to swipe in and out as well...
Lol on Attendance is Voluntary. I'm sure they meant Participation is Voluntary.
HQ first. When They show "it works, " Districts next. Districts are the real target.
No more late lunches.
The houses mouses in 024 will be drop dead
when it comes. No more 5 or 6 hour tours because the next day's sheets are done
Does that include civilians?
They are just as bad, some individuals worse.
The district delta forces are going to be in tears No more "late starts" and early ducks.
Oh my god you mean everyone is going to have to put in a full day? No more tact/desk/Sgt collaborations to ensure early ducks are the norm??? Hey, since the union is always complaining about "lack of manpower" maybe this is the most common-sense solution...do more with what you have! It costs the city zero and will literally amount to tens of thousands of additional man hours per week!! I'm sure it will require supervision to work I.e., supervisory accountability, but this is genius!!! The FOP should be backing this 1000 percent.
Coming to a district and unit near you
I want to be a range guy! They have the best war stories.
If you have 30 people at 3rd watch roll, call and you are #30 in line trying to swipe in at 1400hrs, what now? You don't have to attend roll call? Is the city gonna dock 30 min from your pay? Gimme a break. This is the same dept that still hand carries mail to the areas. That biometric shit failed 5 years ago. And stop with the bitching about people not working full tours. Sorry you never got an early duck. Just enjoy payday and shut the fuck up.
Anonymous said...
I remember them trying this at least ten years ago. How much money was wasted on that and the subsequent failed systems? This one is going to be different? Shuuuuure.
10/19/2017 04:57:00 AM
I think that this will be different, yes. But, I know this systems and they all have a supervisor override capability. The supervisor can go into the system anytime they want and alter the records. And, not everyone might be subject to this method.
Wow so is the same idiot who made the sign with the wrong days/dates running the program?!?
Wednesday to Wednesday is only six days? More merit brain drain.
Anonymous said...
I remember them trying this at least ten years ago. How much money was wasted on that and the subsequent failed systems? This one is going to be different? Shuuuuure.
10/19/2017 04:57:00 AM
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LOL ..private business ,Corporations already has Automated Time & Attendance ....for over 25 years
Keeping 61 timekeepers on the CPD payroll ? money better spent on the Street Patrol ?
What happened? Did Rahm find a couple million dollars laying around no one was using?
J.J.
I'm not worried about HQ people working a full day. The dicks, tact team and specialized units, I worry about.
Who's bullshitting who, the house mouse has a new responsibility, swiping out his boss.
Hey.... this will interfere with them just showing up whenever they want and leaving early on a consistent basis.
Who’s idea was this?
Will Wheezie have to swipe in every time she’s over at HQ waltzing around like she owns the place?
Hey Wheeezzzeee, did the Fat Head give you a couple extra IDs so your friends can swipe you out? Assuming you have friends or you will have to force other nobility to do the dirty deed.
Retired .38 spl +P
"See problems right away:
The Ferris B. day off guy gives his card to a
cohort. Cohort uses card to arrive, track as much
or little activity as desired, then checks out for the day."
If you're bored sometime, maybe take a look around one of the badge stations for hidden cameras. If I was implementing that system I'd be eagerly awaiting some complacent fools trying to do such a thing (and I agree with you that some will try). Course, I'm definitely nowhere near connected enough to implement Chicago/CC government infrastructure so whoever did probably conveniently half-assed it...
Anonymous said...
Oh, no! I lost my i.d.
I'll have to get a new one.
Now, I can show my old i.d. to anyone who stops me on the way home.
And my new I.d. will be in the hands of the one person who's designated to swipe for all of us on any given day.
See how easy that was?
10/19/2017 12:13:00 AM
The person who is designated to swipe for everyone will be fired if caught. Who will risk the job for a others to go home early? Is it worth the risk? No one keeps a secret. Sometimes you wate so much time trying to scam than just working the job.
The house mice there will be shell shocked. Who's going to want to work Tact anymore?
Last time they did this they only required signing in, not signing out. And of course it came with the "discretion of the unit commander
All this will do is make the beat man sign in and out and "the chosen" will continue working their 4 hours
By now there have been 4 or 5 ways to beat the new time keeping system already
Anonymous Anonymous said...
See problems right away:
The Ferris B. day off guy gives his card to a
cohort. Cohort uses card to arrive, track as much
or little activity as desired, then checks out for the day.
10/19/2017 01:51:00 AM
Not that easy, the bigger question who will be idiotic enough to try this? Don't think with the amped up iad,fergies crew,copa,and the waiting to punch on a copper 24/7 dishonest media are not salivating waiting for a copper to get caught doing this! not only will you and whoever the moron is that you did this for be fired oh no, the hard part will be the prosecution!
So the old dirty harry line definitely applies "do you feel luck punk?"
Doomed to fail!
Whose relative is getting the contract for this debacle?
I once worked for a company that used ID in and out. If you didn't scan in, (followed someone else through the door) then you couldn't get out! The line in got long since everyone had to scan. A total fuckup!
It’s not about early ducks. It’s about the overtime abuse. Early ducks are just a casualty of the OT abuse
If this works (and I don't think it will) for all those thinking they are going to outsmart the system , forget about it. It is theft and they will surely make an example and hang someone out to dry to prove it. But I see no way this is practical given the realities of how a big city police force works with court, shifting hours, overtime, etc
They did try it before-- but never put a review in place to address all the ten plus hour days people were putting in that were never compensated ---because keeping whatever crappy thankless job you were doing meant not dropping a slip when you did OT...and yes, I was fortunate enough to escape back to patrol to a decent district via management before losing my sanity.
Oh, no! I lost my i.d.
I'll have to get a new one.
Now, I can show my old i.d. to anyone who stops me on the way home.
And my new I.d. will be in the hands of the one person who's designated to swipe for all of us on any given day.
See how easy that was?
At Curie HS (CPS), a student’s ID swipe card contains his ID # and the numeral one. A re-issued card has the numeral two instead. The old number no longer registers his presence.
Chicago (finally) welcomes in the 20th Century.
Is the CATA Unit a bid spot?
Who's in charge of the CATA Unit and will they be available 24/7?
Will I be able to redeem my Reward Points if I'm a consistent user of The CATA card?
Do CATA Reward points expire?
Will Amazon Echo and Alexa be able to swipe me in on demand?
Boy all I can say is old ways die hard in CPD. Man up it's a brave new world out there. This will just be a bad memory in a few months. Change is the only constant in life, make the changes your friend and make them work in your favor.
If it's a magnetic strip card, i'll post a craiglist ad to make everyone a double.
Brother works in fergusons office, they will be tasked will watching this, yes there will be cameras, you want to risk your jobs go ahead as for me I want to retire and not get prosecuted for dumb shit! Oh and you can thank the many especially detectives who doubled and tripled salaries with overtime who did they think they were bullshitting! Brother said d-unit along with other specialized units will be under microscope, so you have been forewarned! You think you are smarter than the average bear, be smart follow the rules, termination for a ou and your boss will be rapidly happening!
Watch what happens soon the next time scandal happening, not saying where but it is where you pull in and park in private garage on camera using your time stamped identity, and cameras everywhere watching you come and go! Many stupidvisors will fall, it's coming in these times how insane can you be to risk your job and freedom? No wonder lieutenant was never replaced there?
Big deal. So people have to actually do a full tour...maybe days will actually start on time and not two hours late.
Anonymous said...
I'm not worried about HQ people working a full day. The dicks, tact team and specialized units, I worry about.
10/19/2017 09:49:00 AM
Said one of the “HQ people”...
Swiping for others is a REAL bad idea.
About 8 or 10 years ago a bunch tried that at the Filtration Plant. One guy with maybe 8 IDs.
What caught them was all swiped in within line minute. But only 1 car swiped into the parking lot.
Don't do it. You will be fired, charged and lose you pension.
I think it's ridiculous that people here continue to insist swiping in/out wont happen. Why, because it didn't work in the past? This is a new era of everyone shouting for police accountability and reform in ALL aspects, including the hours worked during a tour of duty. Perhaps it's not front and center, but city hall recognizes that not everyone in this city abides by the rules. Look at the 2018 Chicago budget, it specifically mentions automated timekeeping (including swiping).
All Streets and Sanitation employees swipe in and out everyday. After your card is swiped or your card number is entered you are required to place your hand on the swipe clock and have it scanned. Your card -your hand only. So, your buddy can not swipe in or out for you. Also....no swiping at another clock that is not authorized, firehouse by your house, library, etc. Every clock has its own number and can be checked to see if you are swiping out at the right location. If you “forget” your card or don’t swipe your time will have to be corrected on the computer. A edit form has to be filled out and authorized. Start keeping track of your overtime, if you forget to swipe in...your swipe out will show as a swipe in and your next swipe after that will show as a swipe out resulting in a messed up payday. All overtime has to be entered manually into the system with a corresponding code explains why overtime was necessary.
You people are hilarious! This "new" technology has been in use for all my years of employment at another department with the only issues being people who desire issues.
I'm not worried about HQ people working a full day. The dicks, tact team and specialized units, I worry about.
10/19/2017 09:49:00 AM
Maybe you should worry about YOU. If and when you retire, none of these people will make a damn bit of difference in your life.
Goddamn bunch of cry-babies & whiners. That's what CPD has become.
And yes, I pushed a beat car.
The civilians at callback aka 376 swipe and use a hand scanner. No buddy swiping allowed.
Remember the old red Kronos Time Clocks that all CPD members were supposed to swipe in on. Kronos was also a also was a Greek company located near Jackson and Halsted that manufactured Gyros. This is the absolute Truth!
"Oh, no! I lost my i.d.
I'll have to get a new one.
Now, I can show my old i.d. to anyone who stops me on the way home.
And my new I.d. will be in the hands of the one person who's designated to swipe for all of us on any given day.
See how easy that was?"
Could easily be changed to fingerprint id. If they were actually serious....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The civilians at callback aka 376 swipe and use a hand scanner. No buddy swiping allowed.
10/19/2017 09:57:00 PM
Doesn't stop them from swiping in then leaving to run errands all shift before coming back to swipe out. Right DD?
With all this talk of buddy swiping my god is this department screwed up. People it's a job, show up and leave. I advocate doing nothing more then what is required but show up. If people are scamming turn them in.
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