Saturday, October 21, 2017

This Doesn't Add Up

  • Chicago Public Schools’ enrollment this fall was down nearly 10,000 students from a year ago, a reduction somewhat steeper than the district had expected.

    The count on the 20th day of classes was 371,382. The overall student count includes all schools that operate under the district’s oversight, including privately run charter schools.

    Last year’s CPS head count was 381,349, which was down close to 11,000 from the previous school year. That difference was largely driven by a lower number of children in district-operated elementary schools and prekindergarten programs, according to the district, while this year, close to three-quarters of the population drop was at district-operated elementary and high schools.
Less students should equal less expenditures, right?

Wrong:
  • The district has said it won’t reduce funding for schools where enrollment fell below projections. CPS also said it will not make any midyear budget cuts or order unpaid staff furloughs, as it has in each of the past two years.

    The district planned on an enrollment decline of about 8,000 students for this year. That meant district-operated schools in total received roughly $43 million less than they did last year.

    Such cost reductions have not eased taxpayers’ burdens. CPS plans to raise its property taxes by more than 8 percent, generating $224.5 million of revenue that will be spent largely to cover steadily rising contributions to the city’s teacher pension fund and school infrastructure projects.
How about making the teachers contribute what everyone else does for starters? Screw this 2% - start coming up with 9-and-10%.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rahm hired the 10,000 as police recruits. They are already in the academy.....the secret academy....in his mind...

10/21/2017 12:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seriously SCC, you too? The general public believes that bs about teachers not paying their share, but we should know better and support each other. The teachers used to pay 9% just like police and fire. They took the pension payment savings instead of a 7% raise. Would you give back a 7% raise? The deal saves the CPS money and the teachers benefit. What did CPS do with the millions they saved over the years? On top of that Daley negotiated the pension holiday that screwed their pension fund over by not making payments at all!

10/21/2017 12:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"This Doesn't Add Up"

Declining enrollment should equal
declining operating costs...

Systemic, institutionalized thievery.

How come Rahm isn't cutting the
teachers throats like he's done
to The Police?

Ahhh...

Because the teachers can retaliate
by going on strike and Rahm is scared
shitless because they have that right.

10/21/2017 12:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No wonder enrollment is down. Who would want to be a part of such a terribly run system. Stop screwing the tax payers. Fuck the greedy teachers. Pay what everyone else pays into the pension!!!

10/21/2017 12:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They have lost 10% of their students every year, since I was a teacher for years before I became a cop. They lose them to teen pregnancy, runaways, scamming other school districts for a semester where they stay with their “cuzzin” and the dope game is better or the basketball team is better, drop-outs, stays in juvenile corrections, etc. The least senior teachers lose their jobs at the end of the year when the schools lose their “bucket numbers” (number of teaching positions they are funded for) at the end of the year, and come August the enrollment is back up as the babies have been born, the kids are out of lock up, the dope game has dried up or the rival gangs have heated up, the future NBA players have been cut from teams or have been shot and laid up, the “auntie” has kicked them out of the crib because she isn’t getting a check for them, etc. And the teachers are asked back.

For some reason it is novel to report on this “lower enrollment” now. It’s now lower. The numbers will be the same come August. This is how it has always been, and how it will always be.

10/21/2017 12:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Less students. More taxes. Makes sense. Media wont report it. Media wont investigate it. People wont bitch about it.

10/21/2017 12:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a better idea!

Freeze and close the teacher pensions!

Put all new teachers into Social Security system!

Move the new teacher hires into a 401k type of retirement like the rest of the world!

As of right now, the teacher and their unions are living in Fantasy world of budgeting!

Then cut staff by at least 20% and make Illinois a right to work state!

10/21/2017 01:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This same math is demonstrated in the construction project going on Cicero avenue between grand ave and Fullerton.... some one tell me why is that the transition of street gutter to the side walk is about 18 inches tall.... you can not even open your passenger car door if you part there--- using a democrat line-- if someone has a kid with a disability-- how can I get them out of the car? I will do someone a favor a send this someone who deals with ADA lawsuits. The city gots money to pay for students that don't exist, so share the wealth

10/21/2017 01:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah. The Chicago Way, do less with more. Don't you love the democratic math. Anywhere else fewer students would mean a savings for taxpayers, mot in Chicago.

10/21/2017 01:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

See thinking that the teachers are at fault is the same on thinking officer ARE STEALING OVERTIME.

Think about Sergent getting 45 minutes overtime everyday? Is it wrong?

Dont fall in the common mans trap that certain people are overpaid.

They have a contract just like you do but if RAHM can divide you by coming up with simple answer that nobody will actual put into effect who is wrong.

Look at all the exempts and other who cash out in pensions and that actually do police work.

Do you actually think the public schools will ever not ask for a tax increase?

10/21/2017 01:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The new math at the CPS less students but more money that is why we are broke

10/21/2017 02:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"This doesn't add up"



Sure it does.

In the world of More is NEVER enough.


Here's how the thinking goes:


1. Common Working Taxpayer: Why an I always paying more for less????

2. Common (actually) Working city/county Employee: Why do I have to do more of the actual work then some/many of my theoretical co-workers? Never mind, I know.......

3. Common (barely) working city/county employee: Sheeeet, I gots it made in the shade........even with the ass licking.....

4. Common city/county politician: I rule!!!!!!!

5. Common Non-Working Recipient of funds provided solely via taxes: Why they not giving me more....... they gots plenty.......

6. Common Alley Rat: This life sure is tough to enjoy........

7. Common Neighborhood Cat: I surely do enjoy fresh meat......when I can get it.....



That. Is. All.

10/21/2017 02:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/10/20/vampire-attack-rumors-trigger-riots-utter-chaos-mozambique/



Maybe this is what it will take..........

10/21/2017 03:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and we're still building new ones that have to be maintained and staffed.

10/21/2017 04:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its Public School Math.. Preckwinkle is the teacher

10/21/2017 05:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Teachers vote too. Democratic to keep the money comin in.

10/21/2017 06:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The new math at the CPS less students but more money that is why we are broke
10/21/2017 02:14:00 AM
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That's one reason.
Add to that all the unnecessary spending on bs contracts to connected persons/companies.
Audits of State, County and City (Including CPS and Park District) need to be done every few years. These budgets are so bloated with bs in unreal. And the reason they are so bloated:
these politicians just keep coming back to the money tree of taxpayers.

10/21/2017 06:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seriously SCC, you too? The general public believes that bs about teachers not paying their share, but we should know better and support each other. The teachers used to pay 9% just like police and fire. They took the pension payment savings instead of a 7% raise. Would you give back a 7% raise? The deal saves the CPS money and the teachers benefit. What did CPS do with the millions they saved over the years? On top of that Daley negotiated the pension holiday that screwed their pension fund over by not making payments at all!

10/21/2017 12:23:00 AM

Here's the facts, the teachers only pay 2% of the 9% required by law for their pension. THE TAXPAYERS pay the other 7%, plus what the CPS has to pay in!!!! If they the teachers took this deal to forego raises, why have they been getting raises for the last 20yrs that I'm aware of?? They should forgo raises until they start paying in their fair share. Once you start paying your share, then negotiate raises.....FOR AN 8 MONTH JOB!!!!!! Let me end with saying my daughter and nieces are teachers, and I'm proud of them all, but when they start bitching about is and that, I bring up facts and they just smirk at you!!

10/21/2017 06:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Really? said...

Gotta tell you SCC, you’re way off base here. You sound like the general public whining about Police pensions.

The teachers accepted smaller raises because of the current 2 % contribution. They have taken unpaid ‘furlough’ days for the past four years. They have to work until they are 60 years old to collect a pension. They receive 2.2% for each year of service rather than the 2.5 we get.

Sorry, I love what you do here, but you have to compare apples to apples and, in this case, you didn’t.

10/21/2017 06:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Seriously SCC, you too? The general public believes that bs about teachers not paying their share, but we should know better and support each other. The teachers used to pay 9% just like police and fire. They took the pension payment savings instead of a 7% raise. Would you give back a 7% raise? The deal saves the CPS money and the teachers benefit. What did CPS do with the millions they saved over the years? On top of that Daley negotiated the pension holiday that screwed their pension fund over by not making payments at all!
10/21/2017 12:23:00 AM

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That deal was inked in 1981.
Many of the teachers employed back then have long since retired or moved to better pastures, so few if any would be adversely affected by reinstating the other 7% out of pocked towards their pension. Why am I as a taxpayer being forced to pick up that?
AND, F that support each other bs!
The minute the CTU rented busses, hotel rooms and paid per diem to teachers to go protest the police in Ferguson it when I stopped "supporting each other."
Add to that when the CTU had some teacher rally last year and that thing that called herself a teacher got on stage and started a chant of F the police.

10/21/2017 06:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and the media reported this morning that the decline is because of the Cubs extended season!! Jesus the stupidity is never ending.

10/21/2017 06:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, so I up-armor my SUV to get to and
from the ghetto. The kiddie count goes down,
no fault of mine. So I still got these payments,
these payments are eating me alive. So I go
to my union. I say union man, do what you can.
Union man say I'll do what I can, but I want to
move up, move up to be an Alderman. Cause
see, I got payments too. My new blast shield
windows are great, but the payments are killing
me. Killing me, see, 'cause I got to eat too. So
I got to do what I got to do. I got to get up to be
an Alder-fu-man-choo. Choo, choo!

10/21/2017 06:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And they're still building new schools.....insanity

10/21/2017 07:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have more questions than answers.

10/21/2017 07:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

when a union is allowed to raise property taxes without aldercreatchers voting is that not TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION cant a law suit be filed I believe state reps or a city council should have to vote they passed the buck which means NO REPRESENTATION this should be stopped by a court

10/21/2017 07:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is because Rahm did not want the PR about a teachers strike, so he gave into them and then some. The only negotiatians I have ever seen where a union met and exceeded what they wanted and gave back nothing. The teachers union just keeps bleeding Chicago dry. How do they get a higher budget, and be allowed to rasie taxes with less students and less buildings? also note this is the only structure that is not a elected board. You see they can do what they want to do and you can't touch them.

10/21/2017 08:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Take a look at the editorial in the Sun Times about how CPS handles special needs kids. CPS would rather cut programs to the kids and their families that need the services. But the CPS fine administration would rather raise our taxes. Case in point. How do you use consultants that have no knowledge of special needs kids?

10/21/2017 08:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The money is for the children. they are our future,

10/21/2017 08:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Only 2%....WTF!

10/21/2017 08:22:00 AM  
Anonymous pension wise said...

I've said it before and I have to say it again; all city employee's should pay into their respective pensions a flat 10%. No exceptions!

10/21/2017 08:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It costs more for less. The chicago way

10/21/2017 09:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's for the crippled children.

10/21/2017 09:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How Liberal Teachers Destroy American Society

Let me describe to you how liberalism destroys people's minds. And the people who do this are none other than teachers. I have two children and I raised them to be good thoughtful conservatives. Both of my children then went off to college at Notre Dame University. After the first year, I noticed small subtle changes in their political and philosophical outlooks. By the time they graduated from school both of them were brainwashed by their teachers into becoming full fledged liberals. For example they don't believe that people behave out of personal choice but because of their psychological conditioning. Other examples: now they believe in climate change and an evolution and this idiotic belief in "white privilege".

10/21/2017 09:08:00 AM  
Blogger SpankDaddy said...

If this is the kind of math they teach their students, the kids are toast.

10/21/2017 09:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The teachers have clout in Springfield, at least for now. If the US Supreme Court rules that public sector employees do not have to pay union dues things would probably change as they have in other states that have changed the laws. The teachers have even more clout as parents want their kids in school, especially working parents who can't afford to take off from work. A strike always results in whatever the teachers want. Salaries and benefits are getting out of control for teachers and administrators, pensions and working hours are great, despite their constant complaints. And, when the kids don't learn and can't compete, the teachers get to blame the parents, not themselves.

10/21/2017 09:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have read all the comments. Some seem to be logical and reasonable as to why there are fewer students in the system. But couldn't some of them not be there because their parents have just got tired of high taxes, rising crime and other bullshit and just got the hell out of town? A city with a reputation of coddling its criminals and illegal aliens just doesn't sound like an attractive place to live.

J.J.

10/21/2017 09:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not only do Board of Education employees not contribute to the pension funds since the middle 80's, their pensions compound. Our pensions grow at a rate of 3% based on your salary at retirement without compounding. What this means, if you retire with a pension of $75,000 a year you will receive a raise on your pension check $225 a month each year after for the rest of your life. After 10 years that's $2700 month more on top of your $75,000. No doubt, real money, close to a hundred thousand dollars.
Now however if you worked for the Board of Education and your pension started out at the same $75,000 the money grows quite differently. In year one, the Bd of Ed employee employee gets the same $225 raise on the pension check based on the 3% raise. But now in year in two and beyond things change. This year's raise isn't based on $75,000 anymore. It's now based on $77,700 (75,000+2,700=77,700). Next year's raise is now based on that bigger number. While the police raise stays at $225 the Board raise has moved to $233. However in the next 8-10 years the numbers begin to get spread. Not sure, but I'd bet that they'd be around $115/120,000 after the same ten years.

This whole thing comes from the fact that my neighbor and I retired at about the same time over 10 years ago. He was a School Board Engineer and I was the police. Our salaries were comparable and we!re pretty close in age. When we retired our pensions were fairly close, but as I said his compounds and mine doesn't. My pension then was around $57,000. You can go onto to the Better Government Association Pension Database and see what people get. In the the 10 years with the pension compounding his pension has grown to over $86,000. While mine, with a simple cola of 3% without compounding is around $75,000. Not bad, but $86,000 sounds better.

Also, remember they made no contributions to their pension funds since the mid 1980's. The contribution was bargained away by CPS in exchange for a pay a raise during contract negotiations and a strike years ago. If the City had any cajones the first thing they would to insist that CTU members begin contributing to the pension funds like everyone else does.

10/21/2017 10:05:00 AM  
Blogger Cuthbert J. Twillie said...

Per the info in the article, CPS lost 67,207 students since 2002.

Thank goodness the costs have been reduced accordingly by CPS over the years and tax rates lowered to save the hard working taxpayers some of their hard earned money.

Oh...wait a sec???

10/21/2017 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's just incredible to see how the den's have screwed up an entire economy like the city of Chicago. It's the microcosm of the big picture of this once great country. This and other examples are directly connected to the NFL knee, ACLU, and there policies in general. In two years 21,000 less students but they have to raise property taxes. Unbelievable!!!!!!!

10/21/2017 10:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

London has fallen

https://streamable.com/w1zp5

10/21/2017 10:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Less students = more money ?
Only in Chicago.

10/21/2017 10:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As govmint budgets go in Illinois, Use it or Lose it.
Cut a budget and the bellyachers rebel.
Which is why they always cut from the so called essential, public outcry operating budgets like schools and safety, not the staffing administrative portions wherein.
Shitty corrupt Illinois provides annual school funding based on One Day Attendance, only the first day of school and not an average of a previous school year.
Schools are loaded with undocumented but they count on the enrollment tally, somewhere there's an audit to be had.
Doesn't make sense to have a Oct-Nov attendance surge.

Back to the CPS budget, so much use it-lose it is wasted on non essentials.
Case in point, went to a burglary years ago at an medium sized elementary school.
They had six (6) snow blowers, the kind with chains on the wheels and plows, not the chintzy 10 hp units you find at Home Depot for $1000, plus dozens of shovels, spreaders and salt.
Quite a hoard of use it or lose it stuff going unchecked.

53% of the tax bill goes to CPS and it's going up this coming February.
According to the experts, that's $174 per "$250,000" home, and where does one find a $250k home?

We should be ignoring the tax bill like Rahm ignores pension and medical benefit contributions.

10/21/2017 10:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

See thinking that the teachers are at fault is the same on thinking officer ARE STEALING OVERTIME.

Think about Sergent getting 45 minutes overtime everyday? Is it wrong?

Dont fall in the common mans trap that certain people are overpaid.

They have a contract just like you do but if RAHM can divide you by coming up with simple answer that nobody will actual put into effect who is wrong.

Look at all the exempts and other who cash out in pensions and that actually do police work.

Do you actually think the public schools will ever not ask for a tax increase?

So what are you saying. Because the gold braid is in effect, which I totally disagree with, that we get OT it is alright for the teachers to only contribute 2% to their pensions when we and everyone else pays 9% and indirectly pay that extra 7% the teachers don't pay thru our property taxes

10/21/2017 11:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck the teachers. Pay up!! You work 9 months a yr and suck at your job. You don't deserve a pension ! On top
Of that a lot of you live outside the city!! Fuck all of you

10/21/2017 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10/21/2017 12:12:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Seriously SCC, you too? The general public believes that bs about teachers not paying their share, but we should know better and support each other. The teachers used to pay 9% just like police and fire. They took the pension payment savings instead of a 7% raise. Would you give back a 7% raise? The deal saves the CPS money and the teachers benefit. What did CPS do with the millions they saved over the years? On top of that Daley negotiated the pension holiday that screwed their pension fund over by not making payments at all!

10/21/2017 12:23:00 AM

Well they sure as hell made up for the 7% long ago. In return they only pay 2% for life? Yes I'd take that deal in a heartbeat. Especially seeing as every time their contract is up they get 16% over 4 years. When's the last time the police got that? Teachers know politicians fear them so they hold all the cards.

10/21/2017 11:23:00 AM  
Blogger Cone Of Silence said...

Simple solution... Conduct a forensic audit on the entire CPS budget and account for every penny, from the time they get the money, to the time everything is spent.

I'm sure they can find ten's or hundred's of million'$ of dollars being stolen and/or misappropriated throughout the system.

10/21/2017 11:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Less students. More taxes. Makes sense. Media wont report it. Media wont investigate it. People wont bitch about it.

10/21/2017 12:43:00 AM

Pretty sure the media did.

10/21/2017 11:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leave the city while you can still sell your houses.

10/21/2017 12:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Teachers are usually dumb snowflakes with an inflated sense of purpose so I find it difficult to be sympathetic. I love the "I'm an educator" description. No, dumbass, you're a teacher, stop trying to church it up. The real sad part to me is that the decline in enrollment means chicagoans are sending their children's elsewhere...so now more local suburbs are going to get fucked up with our bullshit problems.

Don't worry, Rahm is angling to get 10k Amazon employees based here. That's 10k tax-paying, non leaching individuals, ripe for the picking (taxes). How many kids do they have? How many have dual income households? How does anyone not see how modern day workers are exploited while corrupt politicians and an endless horse of ungrateful ghetto rats feasts on their earnings?

10/21/2017 12:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow, over 1/3 of a million chilluns still being held hostage by terror infested CPS 5 days a week...Seems incredible that in this day & age so many good chilluns can be bullied & kept in fear by about 10% of their student peers with the implicit approval of the politicized NEA chapters

10/21/2017 12:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Seriously SCC, you too? The general public believes that bs about teachers not paying their share, but we should know better and support each other. The teachers used to pay 9% just like police and fire. They took the pension payment savings instead of a 7% raise. Would you give back a 7% raise? The deal saves the CPS money and the teachers benefit. What did CPS do with the millions they saved over the years? On top of that Daley negotiated the pension holiday that screwed their pension fund over by not making payments at all!"

So let me get this straight. Years ago you gave up a 7% raise (when was the city passing out 7% raises?) and switched to paying only 2% into your pension.

Correct?

So if this is correct then according to logic, the Chicago Teachers are paid 7% less than other big city teachers because it's the difference is being made up by the smaller pension payments?

Correct?

Well according to monster.com the top average big city teachers pay is:

1. New York at $54k (118% higher cost)
2. LA at $52k (32% higher cost)
3. Houston at $51k (1% less cost)
4. Chicago at $50k (17% higher cost)

So if you factor in the cost of living, Chicago Teachers are the second highest paid teachers in the US. I had thought that they would be paid 7% less due to taking less pay in order to get that 2% pension deal.

Now what likely happened is that over the years after taking that initial 7% hit, subsequent raises "caught up" and nullified the initial 7% hit.

Result: PAY YOUR 9% LIKE EVERYONE ELSE AND STOP BITCHING ABOUT BEING UNDERPAID FOR AN 8 MONTH A YEAR JOB BABYSITTING FUTURE CB NUMBERS!

(P.S. those above numbers are average. Senior teachers make much much more)

10/21/2017 12:30:00 PM  
Blogger stash the polski guy said...

it's city hall math. more fucked up than common core principals would ever hope to be.

10/21/2017 12:54:00 PM  
Anonymous The Box Chevy Phantom said...

Anonymous said...

Seriously SCC, you too? The general public believes that bs about teachers not paying their share, but we should know better and support each other...

~Snip!~

10/21/2017 12:23:00 AM

Why are you here mining/trolling a Police blog?

Don't you have an ANTIFA/#blm rally to get ready for?

Yet another whose wrong-headed cause knows no pause.

You teachers have already shown not just your asses
but your true colors as well but yet you feign
common cause with The Police whom you have nothing
but hatred and disdain for.

You're called out because you're allied with sundry
traitorous, seditious, hateful, Trotskyite/liberal-
left/Progressive causes because you think that when
shit finally unravels here in Chicago, the Free Shit
Army comprised of the useful, unthinking idiots CPS
has been churning out is going to give you all a
"pass" because you're "cool?"

We've walked by many a school and classroom door and
have seen with our own eyes what's really going on.

And every upright person that has ears, we tell them
EXACTLY what kind of eye-watering, broken beyond all
care, hope and salvage and how truly ugly CPS is.

The more bitter and nasty truth that decent upright people
become acquainted with, the better.

Reality Check:

Your so called students?

They hate you too but somehow tolerate you because
you're their government sponsored baby-sitter and
a source of taxpayer funded treats and goodies.

Think on that when some bearded, man-sized fourth-year "freshman"
tells you to STFU because he's busy feeling on somebody's
13 year old minor child...

Heh...
Here comes teacher/staffer crying for The Police to
"Do Something."

And when something IS done, you all magically morph
into witnesses for the prosecution.

"...But aren't you trained to restrain without
hurting our precious student?"

Policemen are trained to immediately take control,
dominate and/or knock people down.

There never was or should never ever be any
"carve outs" for "giving them room" to riotously
impede or disrupt to "express how unhappy they are"
with the peaceful and orderly flow of the upright
and law abiding rest of society.

The Man-Sized, full of adrenaline, hormones,
street pharmaceuticals, no grasp of right/wrong,
no brain in their sensory feed-back loop and
possessed of legs like iron from trotting to and
fro at the spot all night when they aren't sleeping
in your class, adult children have leave to ignore
the memo that the rest of everybody else abides by.

Just keep burning heaps of taxpayer treasure and public
safety resources in the vain hope that the problems will
self correct while powers that be whistle past the
graveyard of root causes?

"The Police ARE the problem!"

OK... Thanks for the real feel...

We'd absolutely LOVE to lock teachers in a closet
for two minutes with these "little darlings"
that The Police aren't "allowed" to lay a finger on.

Failed parenting has been made into a
Police problem when The Police are NOWHERE
in the actual accountability loop.

"WAH! Stop being so mean and angry!
Aren't WE in this together?"

Never.
Not until we see a memorial with the names
of 500+ teachers who made the ultimate
sacrifice.

Not until we see that teachers are subjected to
an oversight authority serving in conjunction
with a hateful hair-hat of a state's attorney
to administratively and legally bone teachers
for trying to do their jobs under rules, standards
and laws deliberately interpreted to be clear as mud.

We'll leave you be now.
You AND your colleagues have a lot to think on.

Stop feigning common cause with The Police.
You come across as hypocrites of the worst sort.

As for The Police?

The usual...

Police Like You Have No Friends.

10/21/2017 12:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC please post the link to greek town video/savagery, its a good one.

10/21/2017 12:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is why when you look at school budgets, the money that goes to the kids and the money that goes to the teachers is all in the same line item.

Separating it out would show how much goes for labs and books and paper (and now puters) and yes chalk and whiteboards and then WAGES and PENSIONS.

Reality is this simple, the VAST majority of that line item is the LATTER, like 85-15 toward teachers.

When you see this reality, well, it is easy to see who less students translates to more money. Contractual GROWTH in salaries and pensions oh and - wait for it because here it comes......OBAMACARE!

When fuel prices go up, the cost of EVERYTHING goes up.
Likewise, when the cost of healthcare ahem INSURANCE goes up and it is tied to civil EMPLOYMENT, well, then the cost of it all goes up- even when actual enrollment goes down.

Pretty simple, really. When one is HONEST about civil service UNIONS and those CONTRACTS that those who actually PAY for them can't SEE them.

10/21/2017 02:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There needs to be an update on the Dart donestic. There is allegations ob obstruction of justice. SCC, Sheriff Candidate Izzo reported the domestic as fact and alleged a coverup. Can we get a new post on it. Please.

10/21/2017 02:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It’s the Chicago and Crook County way.

10/21/2017 02:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
I have a better idea!

Freeze and close the teacher pensions!

Put all new teachers into Social Security system!

Move the new teacher hires into a 401k type of retirement like the rest of the world!

As of right now, the teacher and their unions are living in Fantasy world of budgeting!

Then cut staff by at least 20% and make Illinois a right to work state!

10/21/2017 01:05:00 AM

Thanks for chiming in Bruce Rauner!

10/21/2017 02:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Scott Walker is a courageous man. He fixed problems like this.

10/21/2017 03:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I remember when CTU marched with BLM, chanting:
What do we want?
DEAD COPS!
When do we want it?
NOW!

CTU is not my friend,
even if we both hate Rahm.

10/21/2017 03:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So poor attendance is blamed on the cubs? really?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/as-cps-schools-learn-ratings-an-open-enrollment-hs-reaches-the-top/

10/21/2017 04:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Only difference between a teacher and a bank robber is the bank robber has a gun.

10/21/2017 04:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm planning a para-military take over of the public schools in Chicago. All current curriculum will be eliminated and replaced at a much later date after a complete revision.

Everyone in administration with the job title "Assistant to" will be relieved of their duties and either reassigned or terminated.

The national average starting teacher salary is $36,141, while the average teacher salary in America (non-starting) is $56,383. As of Aug. 2016. In Chicago the average starting salary is $76,000 for Chicago teachers cited by CPS, the union claims it is $71,000. Depending on which is accurate, Chicago would either be first or second in the nation in average teacher salary.

First or second in the nation and the majority of the students can't read/comprehend what they read, have poor math skills and can't speak proper conversational English.

Salaries will be readjusted and put in line with the quality of the finished product that each school turns out. Why should a teacher make upwards of $80 grand and their 8th grade students read at a 3rd or 4th grade level?

Verbal exams will be re-instituted for all classroom teachers and counselors, clerks and anyone else who has daily contact with students and/or the public. Those who can't speak proper English will be suspended and given a specified time to correct their language skills or be terminated.

Half of the school day will consist of teaching reading, spelling, basic math and how to speak proper American English.

Military discipline will be standard in all schools. Those who do not conform will be made example of. Punishment will be swift and without mercy.

During the first year, a new curriculum will be be developed and a decision will be made as to when it should be instituted.

Parents will not be required nor encouraged to take an active part in their child's educational instruction. Considering the piss poor job they've done to date of parenting why would you want them involved as they have already shown themselves to be inadequate in the area of what we use to refer to as "home training."

That is the plan for the first year.



10/21/2017 04:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would be nice if these teachers paid the full 9% into their pension fund instead of sticking it to the taxpayers again this year !!!!

10/21/2017 04:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just put everyone in Social Security and a 401 program. Problem solved. Can't collect until your 66+ depending on birth date, just like the majority of US population. No more over the top pension situations. Oh, yea no more double dipping. Welcome to the real world Mr. Government employees. But, it's a negotiated contract right, you say. Not when the bankruptcy happens it won't be I say.

10/21/2017 05:25:00 PM  
Blogger dumpdaley said...

Dont get jealous of teachers. The City negotiated to make the 7% pension contribution on behalf of the teachers in lieu of a pay raise. The City knew full wrll it wouldn't make the contribution and declare pension holidays instead. Let the city pay the teachers 7% for the last 25 years as a bonus to make up for it. If the City cries poor mouth, just take the the money back from the Daley-Vanecko Friends, Felons and Family Plan

10/21/2017 05:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The CPD hates the teachers because the don't pay as much in pension liability as the CPD. Well most taxpayers hate all the government pension programs because they all pay less then those on Social Security with a vastly more lucrative pensions. For years the BS argument was government workers earn less than private workers. That has not been the case for most of my working life and I am in my 70s. Times to change the way your pensions are done. If an employer fails to pay into SS he is subject to all types of regulations. The city and state would have no choice but to pay as owed, no more not making their yearly payments. They are not paying because they cannot afford the out of control obligations. Face the fact that there is a change coming, hopefully sooner than later.

10/21/2017 06:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Love the above mention about senior teachers making much, much more. How about 6 figure jobs and pensions of an 8month year. No wonder city is behind on pension payments. The big B word is lurking in the shadows. That or a huge tax raise from city, state and county they are all in same boat. To payoff the many BILLIONS owed and future obligations, I can see a 60-75% raise in all current taxes plus and new tax schemes they can come up with. Get ready to dig way deeper because they are already planning those raises behind closed doors I guarantee it. The powers would rather tax you to death than cut any of their precious gimme programs. Those gimme programs will insure they stay in office, so you don't have a choice but to pony up your fair share as determined by them. Not fair, sure it is you keep electing them.

10/21/2017 06:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Democrats will solve the problem.
Is it me or is it getting colder?

10/21/2017 06:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CPS math class. 2+2= as much as we can steal. Chicago Values at their finest.

10/21/2017 06:58:00 PM  
Blogger FOP Genius said...

Again, you guys post without having any facts. I’m not defending the teachers but, before you beef about what they get compared to us you need to look at the facts.

First, there have been posts about their incredible salaries. Are any of you aware that they can be forced to take unpaid furlough days every year? That means their actual salary on paper is meaningless. In certain circumstances CPS can cry broke and ignore contractual raises. This has occurred. They get limited sick days each year that they cannot accrue. Every year they are mandated to take training hours to keep their teaching certificates valid. Would any of us want those provisions in our contract?

Retirement wise, they earn 2.2 % for each year worked compared to our 2.5 %. They cannot collect before age 60 unless they take a .5 % penalty for each month they collect before age 60. Each year they leave early the stand to lose 6 % if their annuity. We can go at age 50 without a penalty. Stay until 55 and you get virtually free healthcare. They have to pay for their healthcare.

Sorry, but I’ll keep my contract and my pension plan. The teachers may be paying 7% less, but they’re getting far less than we are when everything is taken into consideration.

10/21/2017 07:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is the plan for the first year.




10/21/2017 04:17:00 PM



As the sun was setting, in the west......no.....the other west......a budding satirist, well soaked in the beverage of choice, manages to, somehow, produce a comment free of typos......who is this freak of nature, you wonder.....perhaps.....perhaps......we shall never truly know.......

10/21/2017 08:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Only difference between a teacher and a bank robber is the bank robber has a gun.

10/21/2017 04:11:00 PM



And a clown mask........

10/21/2017 08:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There has to be a ton of ghetto schools closed up. The COMMUNITY be a saying it has lead paint ! Do their kids eat the lead paint off the walls that were paint over 50 times with latex non lead paint ?
Let Rahm and his teacher build new ones so the students can be away from old lead paint that most of us going to school in the 50 ' and 60 ' had no bearing on our health.
Never ends with these demo-rats elected in this state. Prickwinkle said the court building at 26 th is full of lead and so is the jail. See wants new jails in a dormitory setting like college dorms. It never will end with the catering to non essential people of the hood. They just drain working people to death for the last 70 years.
"Let them eat cake....sorry Lead ."

10/21/2017 09:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In this case my enemy’s enemy is not my friend

10/21/2017 09:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Evaluating the Effects of Police Body-Worn Cameras: A Randomized Controlled Trial

We were right again.

http://www.iapa-il.org/news/news.htm

10/21/2017 09:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Last report was that for every teacher thete was .85 non teachers. Sure you need janitors and support people to run the buildings but a near 1 to 1 ratio of teachers to non teachers!

No wonder they have no money!

There are 42000 employees yet only 22000 teachers. So what do the 20000 non teachers do?

Janitors, security, administrators, engineers to keep the boilers running. This I understand but how many do you need?

It's only common sense that the vast majority of school employees are teachers yet this is not the case. How many of these "support" people are nothing but political positions?

10/21/2017 10:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10/21/2017 12:55:00 PM

Wow, I am sorry you are so angry. I am a teacher in a Chicago-bordering suburb, but I never marched in any CTU activity, work with all English-speaking staff, and spend all day in a classroom with middle school students who come from a high-poverty, high-minority population. No one I know went to any rally condemning any part of the CPD.

Sounds like a divisive move- and you fell for the bait- retirement issues. In fact, I am a retired Army servicemember who can't even draw a retirement because the law forbids it, while at the same time they deduct the pay form my check because the law permits that.

We do the best we can to raise respectful future-oriented and successful children who will be the same as adults. Not all of these students (and/or their parents) wish to make that success and I am sorry that we cant reach all of them.

At first I was rather taken aback by your strong language against me as a teacher, but then I realized you are probably venting.

Nevertheless, you sound incredibly angry. You should know that your efforts are appreciated, and you perform an important role in our society. I did not expect to see any comparison to the Honor Roll of the CPD Fallen, and I don't know any teacher that does. We have assaults against others and ourselves, some daily, but nothing that compares with sacrifices made by the CPD on a dayly basis.

You have a tough job, in many ways it is to tell people 'no' who don't want to hear it, to enforce discipline on a people who don't discipline themselves.

But you will never be able to police the community to your standard. Learn to balance. If you insist on being so angry about it, you risk placing yourself at a great personal health risk. Seek help, now, before you risk hurting yourself or ones you love.

Police Like You Have No Friends? You do, but if you stay so angry, then police like you, have no friends.

Do not let them divide us.

Stay safe and strong.

10/21/2017 10:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everyone I know has been move away who can. Everyone who I know who retired left. I can't wait to leave also. The schools are the canaries in the coal mine. Going, going, and gone.............

10/21/2017 10:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, but I’ll keep my contract and my pension plan. The teachers may be paying 7% less, but they’re getting far less than we are when everything is taken into consideration.

10/21/2017 07:08:00 PM

I don't know where you get your facts but you are really off base on this. The average pension of a teacher when they retire is over $74,000 and they get 3% compounded increase each year. They can retire at age 55 with 20 years of service and age 60 with 5 years of service. Teachers with no special skills and have 30 years of service are paid over $100,000 a years, many well over that. The CPS is the highest paid teachers of the top 10 school districts in the US. 40% of teachers retire at age 55. As far as health insurance, yes, they are getting steep increases as well as everyone but their union pays 50% of their premiums prior to age 65 and then 50% of what they have to pay for Medicare. Not bad when you look at how much time they get off during their working years. Their pension is based on their pay at their final year of service. School districts can bump their pay the last year to increase their pension. Having additional credentials that need to be updated is what the union wanted so they could demand more pay. The truth of the matter is all studies done on effective teachers and their credentials show that anything above a 4 year degree really is not needed and has no increased value.

10/21/2017 10:44:00 PM  
Anonymous DDR said...

How Liberal Teachers Destroy American Society

Let me describe to you how liberalism destroys people's minds. And the people who do this are none other than teachers. I have two children and I raised them to be good thoughtful conservatives. Both of my children then went off to college at Notre Dame University. After the first year, I noticed small subtle changes in their political and philosophical outlooks. By the time they graduated from school both of them were brainwashed by their teachers into becoming full fledged liberals. For example they don't believe that people behave out of personal choice but because of their psychological conditioning. Other examples: now they believe in climate change and an evolution and this idiotic belief in "white privilege".


Sounds exactly like my kids. One went to a state school and 2 to private colleges. They still respect police out of respect for me but they are liberalized in every other way.

10/21/2017 10:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The city that works, less kids and more money needed. How many more people will lose their homes because of major tax increases. Keep voting democtats in. They will leave us all broke and homeless.

10/21/2017 10:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10/21/2017 06:58:00 PM
Blogger FOP Genius said...
Again, you guys post without having any facts. I’m not defending the teachers but, before you beef about what they get compared to us you need to look at the facts.

First, there have been posts about their incredible salaries. Are any of you aware that they can be forced to take unpaid furlough days every year? That means their actual salary on paper is meaningless. In certain circumstances CPS can cry broke and ignore contractual raises. This has occurred. They get limited sick days each year that they cannot accrue. Every year they are mandated to take training hours to keep their teaching certificates valid. Would any of us want those provisions in our contract?

Retirement wise, they earn 2.2 % for each year worked compared to our 2.5 %. They cannot collect before age 60 unless they take a .5 % penalty for each month they collect before age 60. Each year they leave early the stand to lose 6 % if their annuity. We can go at age 50 without a penalty. Stay until 55 and you get virtually free healthcare. They have to pay for their healthcare.

Sorry, but I’ll keep my contract and my pension plan. The teachers may be paying 7% less, but they’re getting far less than we are when everything is taken into consideration.

10/21/2017 07:08:00 PM

You are either a teacher or married to one. Cry me a fucking River! Paying 7% less a year into the pension is a HUGE pay increase! Also your key word there regarding the "forced unpaid furlough days" IS CAN. The city can do it but they don't. Why? Because the teachers union threatens STRIKE. Every time! Teachers are off all summer, Christmas break, spring break, every weekend, every holiday, and all kinds of other BS made up days. They have 4 year contracts not 5. And always get big raises compared to first responders who can't strike. Do teachers get cancelled RDOs last minute? The pension crisis is big so it's time for them to pay up like the rest of us.

10/21/2017 10:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't fall into the trap, guys. The slippery weasel from 4200 N Hermitage wants you and the teachers to hate each other. Trust me, you are falling into his trap!

10/21/2017 11:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Note how he restricts his comment to fiscal issues. No mention of the rest of his act.

"The days of fiscal smoke and mirrors are behind us," Emanuel said

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20171018/north-park/2018-chicago-budget-youll-pay-more-for-uber-phones-but-get-more-cops


rb

10/21/2017 11:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes we need a Dart Domestic update.

10/21/2017 11:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blogger dumpdaley said...
Dont get jealous of teachers. The City negotiated to make the 7% pension contribution on behalf of the teachers in lieu of a pay raise. The City knew full wrll it wouldn't make the contribution and declare pension holidays instead. Let the city pay the teachers 7% for the last 25 years as a bonus to make up for it. If the City cries poor mouth, just take the the money back from the Daley-Vanecko Friends, Felons and Family Plan

10/21/2017 05:44:00 PM

Yeah for one fucking contract! I'd take that in a heartbeat for 2% for life. Every contract after it seems they get 16% for 4 years while police get 10% for 5 years. Hell of a bargain for the teachers. Police are way behind the COLA

10/21/2017 11:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Seriously SCC, you too? The general public believes that bs about teachers not paying their share, but we should know better and support each other. The teachers used to pay 9% just like police and fire. They took the pension payment savings instead of a 7% raise. Would you give back a 7% raise? The deal saves the CPS money and the teachers benefit. What did CPS do with the millions they saved over the years? On top of that Daley negotiated the pension holiday that screwed their pension fund over by not making payments at all!

10/21/2017 12:23:00 AM


They lost any and all support from me when they bussed people to Ferguson to protest the police. Fuck them.

10/22/2017 02:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

" . . . Stay until 55 and you get virtually free healthcare. They have to pay for their healthcare."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ummm, it's PREMIUM free healthcare after age 55 to age 60.
You still have to pay for deductibles and co-pays.

So NOT virtually free healthcare

Although there quite a bit of savings that can be used toward Medicare (for those that don't have enough quarters thanks to the WEP!)

10/22/2017 04:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
There needs to be an update on the Dart donestic. There is allegations ob obstruction of justice. SCC, Sheriff Candidate Izzo reported the domestic as fact and alleged a coverup. Can we get a new post on it. Please.
10/21/2017 02:29:00 PM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Izzo is a nut job

10/22/2017 04:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Take a look at the editorial in the Sun Times about how CPS handles special needs kids. CPS would rather cut programs to the kids and their families that need the services. But the CPS fine administration would rather raise our taxes. Case in point. How do you use consultants that have no knowledge of special needs kids?
10/21/2017 08:11:00 AM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

CPS is so bloated with consultants and bs contracts that it would make your head spin.
They are out of control.
Cancel them all and you would see CPS would be in the black.

10/22/2017 04:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The CPS teachers have found a way to do less with more. They get higher pay and kids get less education. Test scores and recent salary increases will prove that fact. Their pay should be tied to test scores and graduation rates. Ops, won't work teachers will just cheat on test grading and continue to pass those that can't read. What was I thinking!

10/22/2017 07:38:00 AM  
Anonymous The Box Chevy Phantom said...


Anonymous said...
10/21/2017 12:55:00 PM

"Wow, I am sorry you are so angry. I am a teacher in a Chicago-bordering suburb,
but I never marched in any CTU activity, work with all English-speaking staff,
and spend all day in a classroom with middle school students who come from
a high-poverty, high-minority population. No one I know went to any rally
condemning any part of the CPD."

~Snip~

"Police Like You Have No Friends? You do, but if you stay so angry,
then police like you, have no friends."

10/21/2017 10:22:00 PM

You presume much.
You know little.
Your actual grasp of
nuance is even lesser still.

We make no apology for our devotion
to clarity spooking you and yours so badly
that you infer "anger" where there really is none.

We move with purpose.
We prize mental acuity
and clarity of vision.

We don't obsfucaste, we don't do weasel words
nor do we do slippery syntax or veiled inferrence
to skew the narration/conversation as it were.

You, rather unfortunately, do...

Are you high-minded?
Or is it just that your feet aren't
touching the ground because your
Head is so far up your ass?

And while you and yours puzzle over that,
we will say this...

You have no idea what real anger is.

Are you vexed yet?
Don't be. An "old, bitter, racist, dumb,
high school drop-out public servant"
(Snicker!) is giving it to you straight
with no chaser and free of charge.

Again... Stop feigning common purpose
with The Police because you're scared to
death of what's staring back at you in your
classroom.

It's hypocritical.

Info For The Police...
Police Like You Have No Friends.


10/22/2017 07:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

teachers in cps , many over paid baby sitters

10/22/2017 10:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

many cps teachers live in suburbs , why is that allowed

10/22/2017 10:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Seriously SCC, you too? The general public believes that bs about teachers not paying their share, but we should know better and support each other. The teachers used to pay 9% just like police and fire. They took the pension payment savings instead of a 7% raise. Would you give back a 7% raise? The deal saves the CPS money and the teachers benefit. What did CPS do with the millions they saved over the years? On top of that Daley negotiated the pension holiday that screwed their pension fund over by not making payments at all!

10/21/2017 12:23:00 AM


They lost any and all support from me when they bussed people to Ferguson to protest the police. Fuck them.

How can you have any sympathy for the teachers. Look at their union and some of the decisions and demonstrations they supported. And forget that comment"not all of the teachers feel that way"
Enough to get them elected by the union leadership by 80%. That's a landslide

10/22/2017 11:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, it's the opposite of rahms plan for the police. The cps model is "Do less with More".

10/22/2017 01:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
many cps teachers live in suburbs , why is that allowed

Because they don't enforce the rules. Then they give special waivers for special teachers, those with special skills, although gym teachers got them
Years ago they caught a bunch, I mean plenty living outside the city. They came up with some BS that their pro cipals gave them permission and the CPS approved it and grandfathered them in and they were allowed to continue to live outside the. It's
Can you imagine if a police officer tried that and said his commander told him he could live outside thecity

10/22/2017 05:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
many cps teachers live in suburbs , why is that allowed
---------------------------------------------

My sister did live in the city. though she was grandfathered in to live outside the city because there was no restriction when she started her career.

10/22/2017 09:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmmm...

It looks like Rahm al-ghoul's minions have scrubbed
any easily searchable archival data regarding CPS
enrollment...

Through the 1960's, CPS enrollment was easily
over 750,000...

Walk the research and discussion forward from there
as to how CPS was destroyed by progressivism,
political correctness, "multi-culturalism" and
turned into a tax payer money burning rest haven.

10/22/2017 10:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope this isn't out of line and can be posted. "Skipper" was my friend and he was a Sky Soldier of the 173rd Airborne Brigade.

In honor of a former CPS student PFC Milton Lee Olive III who gave the last full measure of devotion 52 years ago today along with 13 others in the Republic of South Vietnam.

Killed in action on 22 October 1965 - "That these honored dead shall not have died in vain." - Lest We Forget

SSGT James Leroy CRAGER - USA (United States Army)
CW3 CLIFFORD ROBERT HARRY - USA
CPT RICHARD KENNETH JORDAN - USA
CPT ROBERT LEE MANN - USAF (United States Air Force)
1LT JAMES ARTHUR Mc EWEN - USAF
PFC MANUEL GONZALEZ-MALDONADO - USA
PFC MIGUEL TREJO - USMC (United States Marine Corps)
PFC TIMOTHY JAMES BILKO - USA
1LT CLAIRE LOWELL HAYNER - USMC
SP4 GEORGE GRIGORIO LUIS - USA
SSG JIMMIE LLOYD McBYNUM - USA
PFC MILTON LEE OLIVE III - USA, 173RD AIRBORNE BRIGADE
CPT JOHN WEGER JR. - USAF
CPT THOMAS WILSON PUSSER - US

Medal of Honor Citation:
PFC Milton Lee Olive III
Rank and organization: Private First Class, U.S. Army, Company B, 2d Battalion (Airborne), 503d Infantry, 173rd Airborne Brigade. Place and date: Phu Cuong, Republic of Vietnam, 22 October 1965. Entered service at: Chicago, Ill. Born: 7 November 1946, Chicago, Ill. C.O. No.: 18, 26 April 1966. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. Pfc. Olive was a member of the 3d Platoon of Company B, as it moved through the jungle to find the Viet Cong operating in the area. Although the platoon was subjected to a heavy volume of enemy gunfire and pinned down temporarily, it retaliated by assaulting the Viet Cong positions, causing the enemy to flee. As the platoon pursued the insurgents, Pfc. Olive and 4 other soldiers were moving through the jungle together with a grenade was thrown into their midst. Pfc. Olive saw the grenade, and then saved the lives of his fellow soldiers at the sacrifice of his by grabbing the grenade in his hand and falling on it to absorb the blast with his body. Through his bravery, unhesitating actions, and complete disregard for his safety, he prevented additional loss of life or injury to the members of his platoon. Pfc. Olive's extraordinary heroism, at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty are in the highest traditions of the U.S. Army and reflect great credit upon himself and the Armed Forces of his country.

10/22/2017 11:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But you will never be able to police the community to your standard. Learn to balance. If you insist on being so angry about it, you risk placing yourself at a great personal health risk. Seek help, now, before you risk hurting yourself or ones you love.

Police Like You Have No Friends? You do, but if you stay so angry, then police like you, have no friends.

Do not let them divide us.

Stay safe and strong.

10/21/2017 10:22:00 PM


You have either never lived in the city or had your head up your ass for whatever meager amount of time that you did.

Stay well within the boundaries of wherever the meek and weak minded find the illusion of safety to be supported by the not yet experienced reality of the essential nature of this world. And know that this illusion is, as always and everywhere, possible only because of those whose nature is neither meek nor weak minded.

10/22/2017 11:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for posting for me the remembrance of those honored dead from the Vietnam War.

10/23/2017 04:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Thank you for posting for me the remembrance of those honored dead from the Vietnam War.


10/23/2017 04:25:00 PM

Yes. I always think of PFC Milton Olive when I pass Olive park on LSD.

10/23/2017 11:30:00 PM  

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