Acting FTO's Again?
Wasn't Rahm hiring a boatload of FTO's to handle the 1,000 hirees?
The WC's are reading this at Roll Call again in a desperate attempt to get people to teach the new kids because no one wants the FTO spot. At least you get to stay in your District of Assignment if you do the "temporary" thing, but you can't bullshit coppers - they know the FTO program is a failure and aren't buying into it, and these new kids are losing out due to the poor quality of the training.
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
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“Compliment of field training officers”......wtf—How about “ complement”....reading is fundamental,
New kids aren’t as naive as we might believe. Most are fetal coming out of the academy(won’t blame them). Few future youtube stars, but that’s few far in between.
Oh where do I sign up. Says nobody with a brain ever
What happened to FTO's would get the management spot come promotion time?
Special ED any answers?
Better ask your handler about this I am hearing your memory is in a FOG lately due to all the meds you take daily.
Rahm smells like wet wool, stained cardboard boxes and tonsil stones.
The new kids don’t need fto’s. They know it all.
Pull the instructors from the training division and alternate them on the street. Some people in that division work 30 mins an entire watch
No thanks.
Ppo’s are not going to be happy. Had a ppo in 010 go straight to the watch commander saying he couldn’t work with the po he was with because the po told him to take it easy on traffic stops since he was feeling under the weather. This infuriated the ppo. The ppo stated he had NOTHING to learn from such a dog ass copper and demanded he be reassigned. This generation of coppers are something else. We busted balls about the “hair gels,” but these snowflakes are really a different breed.
These snowflakes don't pick their heads up anymore. Their faces are stuck on the phone Instagramming and SnapChatting. It a mystery they still inhale oxygen having they airway blocked. Fucking embarrassment
No thank you. I’m good.
"...and these new kids are losing out due to the poor quality of the training."
Shit, have you seen the caliber of FTOs as of late?
For every one that's actually capable, there's 20 with less than 5 years on the job who've never done a lick of police work. And even in the busiest of districts, the majority weren't balls of fire by any stretch of the imagination - their "knowledge" is laughable.
The new kids would be better off to avoid most of these clowns and roll the dice bouncing on different cars with a variety of coppers.
A friend who's there say it's all about liability.
Wheres That Sissy Yuppie Ballerina Rahm , Why doesn't he and Big Mouth Little Kim Teach Them . Screw Them And Screw That
I heard Rahm tried to “hire” a bunch of FTOs on Craigslist, but kept getting nothing but armed robbers and men looking for sex to respond.
I’ve been teaching them everything they need to know to stay out of the clutches of Rahm/Foxx and prosper while they’re here.
We have decent FTOs who teach them the eastbound/westbound mechanics of the job, but we also take it to the next level.
We give them a solid background in political/financial realities of being 5-0 in Rahm’s Chiraq.
Risk management. We discussed “outcome based” policing, the leftists wet dream, during last night’s chalk talk.
Sadly it’s becoming reality in Rahm’s Chiraq.
Quick studies, most of these young officers.
No one wants to teach them but everyone wants to criticize them when the make a mistake that proper training could have prevented.
The DOJ report stressed the importance of FTO training for PPO’s and yet the city of chicago and police department continue to ignore this vital fact. Instead of improving the program by properly incentivizing it and offering quality training continue to limit the abilities of FTO and their power to fail inadequate PPO’s.
Is it going to take a LAWSUIT to get this in order? IS the FOP finally going to step in and make this a contract item to guarantee and legitimatize the FTO position? When are FTO going to be made CORPORALS and D2A
So I have over 25 years on the job and work a beat car, but because I didn't take the Sgt test I can't be an acting FTO?! BUT, some kid who has 3 or 4 years on the job CAN be an FTO?! Man this Department is F'd up!
FTO’s are the unsung backbone of the CPD. Unfortunately the finances of the City of Chicago don’t allow for FTO’s to be adequately trained and compensated. An FTO should be guaranteed 10 Hours per week in OT and after five years of excellent service being an FTO should be a pathway to becoming a detective or assignment to a detached services unit such as the JTTF. An FTO should be a prerequisite to at least 50 of the spots in the training academy. In return an FTO should be subjected to enhanced vetting and polygraph interviews to ensure they are ethical and capable of providing leadership to younger officers. A good FTO is well educated (minimum Master’s Degree),has street savvy ( documented by service on Tact or a Rapid). I know you guys will hate this but comports himself/herself in a politically correct manner with citizens and his/her charges. Well educated and adequately compensated FTO’s can turn this department around!
They don't care. As long as the city saves money this way, it will continue.
Was an acting FTO back in the early 90's in 018. I really enjoyed it. I'd say 95% of the recruits I had were willing and able to learn and listen. The other 5%, Oyvay, talk about boxes of Rocks. And the Dept wouldn't separate them after being poorly graded, not just by me, but other acting FTO's. The CLOUTED ya know.....
I started the job in 1986. The FTO program seemed flawless. Yes there were a couple of "turkey" field training officers but not many. The FTO's were aggressive and brought along plenty of good productive officers. Then the game began. The city began breaking a system that wasn't broken. They messed with the system in so many ways, they lied to officers left and right. Why would anyone volunteer to be a field training officer? One might ask. Yes there are officers who want to bring along young officers. The heart is in the right place. But, how can you trust this department? "YOU CAN'T" I can only wonder who got promoted and is now drawing a gold braid pension for all the ideas they had in screwing up the field training officer program. I know plenty of good officers who would make great Field Training Officers( we all know some) but they aren't stupid.
FTO is an important position. The city should treat it as such. Provide adequate incentive to get people to want to do it,
IE increased pay. How about anyone who is ants a “merit promotion” has to be an FTO for a year. He’ll they the best and the brightest right? Why not pass along all the qualities to some eager PPO’s. Of course that would mean the taken care of would have to work a beat car so will never happen.
No one wants to deal with these millennials who were recipients of "everyone gets a trophy so no feeling get hurt" mentality. I hear they can't get through the rigors of the gym without mommy calling. And that's in a closed setting, imagine what they are like in the real world patrolling the bad streets of Chicago. I can see why everyone says "no thanks", the small bump in pay is not worth it with theses coddled whiners.
Fetal Teaching Officers
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I heard Rahm tried to “hire” a bunch of FTOs on Craigslist, but kept getting nothing but armed robbers and men looking for sex to respond.
1/16/2018 04:59:00 AM
I thought the Keesing bandit was band from Craigslist
Screw these new kids. They think they know it all let them be 99. You want to get into chases because your that stupid to think policing isn't dead do it on your own time.
Fto program is a joke. The program needs to be revamped with better incentives for promotions for officers to be interested in it.
Sorry, I'd love to do it, but unfortunately I can't.
I don't know where the safe zones are, or what they are for that matter.
Why not have COPA teach them? At least the kids could learn about their defined rules of engagement.
Ppo’s are not going to be happy. Had a ppo in 010 go straight to the watch commander saying he couldn’t work with the po he was with because the po told him to take it easy on traffic stops since he was feeling under the weather. This infuriated the ppo. The ppo stated he had NOTHING to learn from such a dog ass copper and demanded he be reassigned. This generation of coppers are something else. We busted balls about the “hair gels,” but these snowflakes are really a different breed.
"Hair gels" aka "jump out boys" all have between 12-15 years on now. We had respect for seniority and wanted to learn. These new police don't want to do anything except play on their phones and tighten their jeans.
let me get this straight. You want me to be a FTO and when a shit ass know it all does not like what I say or how I teach him. He can do to my Sgt and bitch for a change and then I get labeled and my ass chewed out. No f--king way.
What is the pay increase? Is it really worth the headaches?
Blogger I Fart In Your General Direction said...
"...and these new kids are losing out due to the poor quality of the training."
Shit, have you seen the caliber of FTOs as of late?
For every one that's actually capable, there's 20 with less than 5 years on the job who've never done a lick of police work. And even in the busiest of districts, the majority weren't balls of fire by any stretch of the imagination - their "knowledge" is laughable.
The new kids would be better off to avoid most of these clowns and roll the dice bouncing on different cars with a variety of coppers.
You are 100% right
D2A pay and half hour a day comp time everyday and people would be jumping to do the job. It has never been valued on this job.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
New kids aren’t as naive as we might believe. Most are fetal coming out of the academy(won’t blame them). Few future youtube stars, but that’s few far in between.
Naive. One of the main reason they are fetal is because they never really wanted to be a police officer. They took the test because they were out or work or in a dead end job. I’m not saying all, but a majority of them. They see the $75,000 after 18 months and health insurance and sign up
Why do they need training. All they need to know is don't, chase foot or car, taze, shoot, dodge car coming at you, no traffic stops in community neighborhoods, obey all traffic laws even when on call. There class is out, hit the streets and make a try to make a difference.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ppo’s are not going to be happy. Had a ppo in 010 go straight to the watch commander saying he couldn’t work with the po he was with because the po told him to take it easy on traffic stops since he was feeling under the weather. This infuriated the ppo. The ppo stated he had NOTHING to learn from such a dog ass copper and demanded he be reassigned. This generation of coppers are something else. We busted balls about the “hair gels,” but these snowflakes are re
Tell the watch commander what he wanted? As a PPO we could never even see the WC. watch commander must be the problem if he or she doesn’t straighten out the PPO. That falls on them
All the WC is empowering the PPO
How about this regarding the Sun Times article, the brightest candidates get hired, the best and brightest get promoted. Why does everything in life have to come down to race. I work with black officer's and they are great, I trust them with my life. They have been to my house and I have been to their's, we eat together we go out after work together. All this minority talk is so old, if Ald. Beale is so concerned about the lack of minorities getting hired then find jobs for them. If they have theft in their background what do you think might happen if they come across money on the street and they ask the drug dealer about all the money they just found, and he replies "not mine", what do you think that person will do. My opinion now that if I was black or Hispanic and some what smart and a hard worker that I would be embarrassed that every thing has to be handed to me because I am an minority.
Think of all the bullshit noise CPD admin./City Hall
has made over the years to not only sweeten the job
but suck the gullible into becoming FTOs to only pull
the rug out from under them.
Repeatedly...
It seems that every 5 to 10 years, somebody gets an
itch across their silly ass over the FTO program.
"C'mon guys! Don't you wanna?
Hey look, we know we fucked you
guys over in the past (Repeatedly again,)
but THIS time we REALLY mean to actually
make the FTO Program a success!
...Cross our li'l raisin hearts and hope to die!"
In a word?
"Fukyawl..."
Here... Let's lay out their bullshit
that we can recall off the top of our head:
The better FTOs to be rotated into the Training
Academy as Homeroom Instructors to bring the latest
of what's happening on the streets and incorporate it
into the training curriculum.
A REAL pay increase (D2A+/D3) to reflect the importance
of FTOs and actual hands-on training to help mitigate
reduce the number of incidents attributable to lack of
training.
(Didn't happen because the dics and some Sergeants got
their noses out of joint over "Those guys making as much
or more than WE do! Fuck dose eff-tee-yohz an' dose
pee-pee-yohz!)
CPD admin and City Hall could've told the whiners
to go get humped or sign up if they don't like it
but too much clout would've been offended.
FTO as the rank of Corporal.
We saw ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS with that and felt it
was a bad idea and a City Hall attempt to diminish
the authority of Field Sergeants.
Putting Sergeants in white shirts was a ploy by
City Hall to divide the ranks in Patrol anyway
but what was done, remains done...
Paying Police Officers according to academic
achievement and L.E./First Responder training
certifications.
This idea was cribbed from what LAPD was doing.
It's a good thing and actually encourages a certain
degree of competency that could be reasonably expected
to ascend the ranks in a L.E. agency not as crippled
by clout/political meddling/social engineering/ignorant
m/fers demanding a seat at the table like at CPD.
...To purposely understate the howls from aggrieved
constituencies about how The Police simply MUST
look/think/act JUST like them for things to be "fair."
...To say NOTHING of the hidden political hand
bearing a corrosive agenda that has politically
weaponized and empowered the aggrieved constituencies
to the detriment of all others.
Police Like you Have No Friends.
Look.
Laugh.
Leave.
Take your all your treasure with you
and leave THEM nothing other that to
feed on each other.
Does anyone ask is this so called extra cash pensionable?
It is a position that you must take a test and people who took a test that was obviously corrupt now reap more benefits .
Do we have a contract?
Does the salary have to go up if nobody wants the spot? (I AINT SAYING D2a either)
The City is once again dangling a few dollars and everybody runs to rip themselves off.
So ask if i am acting in a position is it pensionable? Take some effort in your career and don't expect the FLOP to save you all the time.
Smoke and Mirrors...and mucho bullshit
FTOs need to be taken care of better, bottom line it’s a shit job and not worth it .
No one is going to volunteer for anything. It's no stretch of the imagination to believe an FTO could wind up in a lawsuit for what a baby cop does after he's on his own.
Thank you liberal, ass-sucking politicians!
J.J.
I just want to give a shout out to a man who could’ve been Supt, but never wanted to be more than an FTO. The late Jimmie ten-eleven.... R.I.P.
Jimmie knew more than any boss and would help out anyone who needed it. Chicago needs a lot more Jimmies...
I tell the New Hires Slow down, Make sure the Intersection is clear,Wait for backup,take your time, Im not a FTO>
Judge Hooks in room 302 at 26th Cal had all the police officers check their guns in before coming into "his" courtroom today. If they didn't comply with "his" order, he had the Sheriffs remove the police officers. I never agreed with the disarming officers at Markham and Bridgeview. If you're the police and working (court), why disarm officers and put them in harms way and make them an easy target. The entire courthouse is filled with defendants that hate the police and it wouldn't take much for things to go sour with officers having no means in defending themselves from weapons used against them. I think we have all seen the lack of security at these courthouses and how unsecure the weapons check in areas are at times as well. Now we have to deal with leftie lib judge that is no fan of the police disarming us at 26th Cal? I know the courts are a different entity but I hope our union and the department step up to the plate and get involved.
No need for FTO's any longer. The new PPO's should simply be scheduled to meet with Tony Precwinckle one day, COPA the next day, and Kim Foxx the following day. They will learn that police work is frowned upon and will get them in deep shit. Too many black and brown folks (and peoples) in jail so just answer your calls and write the paper.
Good idea , instructors from the academy as FTO
have PPO ride with all Merit Sergeants to learn , they are the best and brightest , made sgt. never passed a test . Then ask PPO to evaluate the Merit , know nothing Merit Sgt .
many never worked a beat car more than a year or two , special people , dummies , but special.
Retired now but this issue of recruit training is nothing new. When I started late 70's the city used the "temp sergeants" as training officers. That was followed by the patrol specialist during the 80's, then by the FTO program. City does not really care but only give lip service to any reform. There was no overwhelming desire for the P.S. position back in the day either.
What does it take to get on a Sgt. list these days, a 60 overall percentile?
Many well versed senior PO’s don’t take these dumbed down exams anymore.
Then there’s the issues of getting D2 for filling in one or two days/weeks, here a day-there a day, take his PPO for 3 hrs while the FTO is CU, Court, etc.
Bite me.
Reverse seniority isn’t working.
Make it D-3 pay and get some seasoned, disciplined actors to take the temp FTO spots.
It might even prod a house mouse or two out from the cubicles of the district front offices too.
Even the bloated nest at HQ has plenty of entrenched house mice that could (and should) be enlisted.
Make it a 90 day Detail.
The department has been fucking up and bungling the FTO program for the last 30 plus years.
What’s the definition of insanity?: doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results.
Anonymous said...
Ppo’s are not going to be happy. Had a ppo in 010 go straight to the watch commander saying he couldn’t work with the po he was with because the po told him to take it easy on traffic stops since he was feeling under the weather. This infuriated the ppo. The ppo stated he had NOTHING to learn from such a dog ass copper and demanded he be reassigned. This generation of coppers are something else. We busted balls about the “hair gels,” but these snowflakes are really a different breed.
1/16/2018 12:30:00 AM
I sure hope that WC put this rookie in his/her place and fast.I would have shut that person down and in a very direct manner so that he would be afraid to come into my office again with such a BS complaint.
Maybe the FOP should define what they think the FTO program should be and put it out there. Maybe make it subject of contract talks, a program not just about pay and compensation but a complete package. The teacher's unions often get into these types of contract talks, why not the police?
“Acting up”?!?
We Won't Get Fooled Again
What kind of training?
POLICE training, Sir!
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BTW, have any snowflakes ever said
something akin to "I'm really smart, but
I don't test well"?
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Just thinking, if you have 2 in a squad and
one guy is texting, you only have one set of
eyes on the environment. Now how much can
the driver observe while his partner, Con Way Twitty,
is busy texting?
The fto program is an example of our leadership. It starts from the top. If the leadership is unorganized, confused and lacking the solid foundation and REAL leadership this department is desperate for then the fto program will remain unchanged. If the recruits are the departments future then the department needs to stop pulling from the gutter. Set a precedent for the fto's. Create a standard that is of actual incentive, promotional opportunity and not broken promises And you Create a competitive program of capable fto's with leadership quality. As long as this department is focused on promoting the non deserving merit that become our incompetent supervisors and boses the morale of the department and the fto program will remain unchanged.
FTO
I want to be the keesing bandit’s ppo. He seems like he’s been around the block.
Give the FTO's a boost for promotion that doesn't involve fellating exempts or politicians.
More pay.
Perhaps assignment preference in future.
This shouldn't be that hard.
This is all going to change when the guy from 15 puts on his FTO stripes. His relentless work ethic will benefit any PPO who is trained by him. These kids will further excel from his additional training on not answering the radio and having the medical section on speed dial.
I have to laugh each time I see K. Navarro's name used as 1st Dep. Supt. He was in my home room at the academy as was a casper milquetoast mama's boy. The thought of him as even being on the street as a cop boggles my mind, let alone him reaching that position.
How do you know who's on "the list" that's so secret they refuse to publish it.
OT. Mayor Rahm brags 68% of new recruits are minority’s.
Investigative reporters of Chicago , take the challenge ?
What % of Mayor Rahms body guard detail , office staff in city hall minority ?
How many of his sweet heart contracts , concessions at Navy Pier ,Airports , CPS are minority ?
Why are most of his minority command staff Merit Sergeants , Lieutenants before being promoted .
Are they tied to political connections , donors ?
Go to 006. So many full duty police officers , supervisors hiding inside the front office ,caps office , way more than allowed by rules and regulation . Does the Commander know the rules of CPD . Look at GPS of supervisor logs , many done by using PDT .
Citizens of 006 deserve better .
So if a PO is not an official FTO but is working with a recruit for the 8hrs in a car, he is a FTO but not getting the benefits for the day. The kid is still learning the street, tips on report writing, arrests, etc so in essence the senior guy is a FTO>
Wonder if we can help load up the busses:
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/16/dhs-asks-prosecutors-charge-sanctuary-city-leaders/
DHS preparing to arrest leaders of sanctuary cities
Rahm your viciously took away Chicago police healthcare you used millions of taxpayers money to support illegal criminals it's about time the forgotten man and women are not forgotten any more God bless this president God bless this Homeland security Secretary the sooner the better we will save millions probably billions of dollars enough of this lawlessness! Law and order our back big time!
heard that head of DHS want leaders of sanctuary cities arrested, that would be interesting
No one wants to be an FTO. l love working 99. If l fuck up, l take the blame.
read the notice..... you can only be an acting "fto " if you're on the sgts. eligibility list... BS just like the fto program nobody wants
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So I have over 25 years on the job and work a beat car, but because I didn't take the Sgt test I can't be an acting FTO?! BUT, some kid who has 3 or 4 years on the job CAN be an FTO?! Man this Department is F'd up!
1/16/2018 06:34:00 AM
I don't believe you. How could a kid with 3-4 years on could have taken the Sgt. exam
Anonymous said...
So I have over 25 years on the job and work a beat car, but because I didn't take the Sgt test I can't be an acting FTO?! BUT, some kid who has 3 or 4 years on the job CAN be an FTO?! Man this Department is F'd up!
1/16/2018 06:34:00 AM
maybe instead of whining and throwing yourself a pity party you should've taken the test. its like people that dont vote....dont complain then!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I heard Rahm tried to “hire” a bunch of FTOs on Craigslist, but kept getting nothing but armed robbers and men looking for sex to respond.
1/16/2018 04:59:00 AM
I thought the Keesing bandit was band from Craigslist
1/16/2018 08:23:00 AM
He was and they also banned him
Anonymous Anonymous said...
FTO’s are the unsung backbone of the CPD. Unfortunately the finances of the City of Chicago don’t allow for FTO’s to be adequately trained and compensated. An FTO should be guaranteed 10 Hours per week in OT and after five years of excellent service being an FTO should be a pathway to becoming a detective or assignment to a detached services unit such as the JTTF. An FTO should be a prerequisite to at least 50 of the spots in the training academy. In return an FTO should be subjected to enhanced vetting and polygraph interviews to ensure they are ethical and capable of providing leadership to younger officers. A good FTO is well educated (minimum Master’s Degree),has street savvy ( documented by service on Tact or a Rapid). I know you guys will hate this but comports himself/herself in a politically correct manner with citizens and his/her charges. Well educated and adequately compensated FTO’s can turn this department around!
Pinch yourself so you come back to this world.
If you're a PPO and an Amazon Prime member you can order your FTO on line. ♠️
Listen to all these off old timers say that the new generation sucks and the ppo's are awful and "3 year wonder" officers. Guess what!?!!? it's you old timers that ruined it for us. They don't know how to police without violating rights and when to search and not search a vehicle. Cmon
To the poster commenting on the Hooks disarming BS...back when they did that out at Markham I made it a point to NEVER comply with that horseshit directive. I ALWAYS had a gun no matter where I was in the courthouse (outside of lock-up of course). No one ever knew except a few of my co-workers. I'll be damned if I was leaving my safety/life in the hands of the Sheriff's deputies. Not going into HOW I did it but I'm sure you can find a way just like I did.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The fto program is an example of our leadership. It starts from the top. If the leadership is unorganized, confused and lacking the solid foundation and REAL leadership this department is desperate for then the fto program will remain unchanged. If the recruits are the departments future then the department needs to stop pulling from the gutter. Set a precedent for the fto's. Create a standard that is of actual incentive, promotional opportunity and not broken promises And you Create a competitive program of capable fto's with leadership quality. As long as this department is focused on promoting the non deserving merit that become our incompetent supervisors and boses the morale of the department and the fto program will remain unchanged.
FTO
You are wasting your time. If the department ever established a FTO program like you suggested, you wouldn’t be in it. It would be an opportunity for them to promote the relatives, friends and other chosen. There will never be a fair test. When they tried and it didn’t work, they instituted merit promotions in every promotion. Any promotion that includes and oral board is a joke. Too many friends, political favors ruin that
Now after the last few exams, the
Anonymous said...
OT. Mayor Rahm brags 68% of new recruits are minority’s.
Investigative reporters of Chicago , take the challenge ?
What % of Mayor Rahms body guard detail , office staff in city hall minority ?
How many of his sweet heart contracts , concessions at Navy Pier ,Airports , CPS are minority ?
Why are most of his minority command staff Merit Sergeants , Lieutenants before being promoted .
Are they tied to political connections , donors ?
Go to 006. So many full duty police officers , supervisors hiding inside the front office ,caps office , way more than allowed by rules and regulation . Does the Commander know the rules of CPD . Look at GPS of supervisor logs , many done by using PDT .
Citizens of 006 deserve better .
Why would the commander want to use GPS or do anything about it. The commander put those people in the front office, CAPS and other places he is hiding his people. The commanders created this problem and then cry they are down oo’s Clean out you district of unfit house. Everyone of the brass from the shot on down knows what’s going on , they did it on their way up. Chief of patrol or deputy chief of patrol can walk into any district and say tomorrow 3/4 of these people will be gimp was or you will. Will never happen
I have 7 years on and was not eligible for the sgt.test.
Just have the newbees watch the Demolition movie to show them how to police before Stallone gets loose. Works really well on a polite society but not so much in a Southside or Westside community. They have never been taught their pleases and thank yous.
Off topic but just read where candidate Kennedy thinks that a father in home would not help quell violence. Called it ignorant and stupid idea. Typical Democratic fuzzy logic. For years social scientists have been pointing out that the breakdown of traditional family was causing all the inner city problems, now this entitled tool comes along and says fathers at home is a bad idea. Go figure, but then the democratic voters would have to use critical thinking skills that sadly most lack. Better to be a steeple.
If they poly, background and drug test would be FTO there would never be any new FTOs. Better to hook newness up with a "rabbi"to watch over his career, doesn't need more training needs clout. Good old fashion Chicago Values at work in CPD.
2 quick points. First to this guy
"He can do to my Sgt and bitch for a change and then I get labeled and my ass chewed out. No f--king way."
You can't justify what you did and how you did it to a Sgt. on the watch who presumably knows you and your work ethic? You should be able to run rings around this PPO verbally as to the how and why of what works and what doesn't.
Secondly to this guy:
"If you're a PPO and an Amazon Prime member you can order your FTO on line."
That is some funny shit there! Thanks!!!!
Come on Kev quit playing yo....
Judge Hooks was in the past a Police Hating SOB. He currently is the same and he will be deep in the future .Vote no on retention!
Shit... Who's going to train me? This job has changed 10 times in the last 2-3 years with next to nothing in training. eLearning is not training!
At 457pm...
I have a master's. A master's minimum for chief is understandable though not necessary across the board. But for FTO?!?!? That's crazy talk.
Anonymous said...
So I have over 25 years on the job and work a beat car, but because I didn't take the Sgt test I can't be an acting FTO?! BUT, some kid who has 3 or 4 years on the job CAN be an FTO?! Man this Department is F'd up!
1/16/2018 06:34:00 AM
You are absolutely right, this is a violation of our contract, file a grievance with the union, you are guaranteed to win. The department would have needed to make this requirement about being eligible on the sergeant list to be considered as an act up FTO prior to the sergeants exam was given. Any out of grade pay must be made by seniority only.
SCC check out crook sheriff blog. Dart wants to act as COPA for the suburbs and investigate old police shooting that were already ruled justifiable.
@ 0949:
Yes sir indeed. I'm 2nd generation police and my father NEVER wanted me on this job. I joined the military and made it out of grad school and my starting pay at my first full time gig was 30k. I had just applied for a PD maybe two years before and they were all at least 24k more starting out 2 years earlier. Same thing is happening with fire. Just out of dollars and cents and paying back loans policing has been the only paying job I got a good shot at. And come to find out I'm not bad at it so...whaddaya know? Now my kids are talking being the police. And I'm 2nd generation no you're not!
S.L. currently in FTO training says, if she doesn't get a good district she'll quit and go back to headquarters. I sasy let her quit and send her to 15.
FTOs get shit on at every turn, something has to give! Corpal and d3 pay or u can have my patch. I took the position to try and make a small difference in a officers job but my god it’s a ton of work and no respect at all. I can at least say I tried and the outcome will rest on the outcome of the contract.
Snowflake:
Disappointed when told Apple Watch isn't qualified as tactical.
Shows you pics of the Park Police he met on a childhood visit
to D.C. Disappointed when told the skinny little ex-GI wearing
the navy blue sweater without a sidearm no longer works there
today.
Always carries 2 emergency power packs for his phone.
Thinks Edward G. Robinson was the founding FBI Director.
An FTO with more than 10 years of service; an excellent work history should be a candidate for Merit Sergeant. No nepotism or favoritism allowed for promotional purposes
If you're a PPO and an Amazon Prime member you can order your FTO on line. ♠️
1/16/2018 04:57:00 PM
And, return shipping is free!
OT: A recent study on the use of Tazers w/regard to alcohol usage and the ability to consent to understanding Miranda rights...
https://www.forensicmag.com/news/2018/01/research-analysis-tazed-and-confused
As far as I'm concerned, one more reason to not use a Tazer.... and remain FETAL
I get off probation next month when can apply to be an fto?
You mean “Corporals” who’ll eventually receive “D2B” pay
Say what you want about him, but when recruits got done with 6 weeks with Danny Lukensmeyer they were ready for anything. Skippy OD too
Anonymous Anonymous said...
FTO’s are the unsung backbone of the CPD. Unfortunately the finances of the City of Chicago don’t allow for FTO’s to be adequately trained and compensated. An FTO should be guaranteed 10 Hours per week in OT and after five years of excellent service being an FTO should be a pathway to becoming a detective or assignment to a detached services unit such as the JTTF. An FTO should be a prerequisite to at least 50 of the spots in the training academy. In return an FTO should be subjected to enhanced vetting and polygraph interviews to ensure they are ethical and capable of providing leadership to younger officers. A good FTO is well educated (minimum Master’s Degree),has street savvy ( documented by service on Tact or a Rapid). I know you guys will hate this but comports himself/herself in a politically correct manner with citizens and his/her charges. Well educated and adequately compensated FTO’s can turn this department around!
1/16/2018 06:43:00 AM
Stay off the crack!
If you're a PPO and an Amazon Prime member you can order your FTO on line.
I bought a couple FTOs at Costco it's better buy when you buy bulk
Anyone taking FTO spot is fucking crazy.
Do any of the CPD FTO’s take the class FTO 40-hour class (Sokolove method), or does Chicago just feel that if you’re a cop you know how to train someone.
We suburban departments must be a bunch of dummies; aside from being established officers we also take a class and start off our FTO roles by training only phase 1 PPO’s. We have to build up plenty of training experience before we are able to train someone through the next phase, and do it for years before we are able to assess someone in the shadow phase.
But what do we know, just being dumb suburban cops and all.
What does it take to get on a Sgt. list these days, a 60 overall percentile?
Many well versed senior PO’s don’t take these dumbed down exams anymore.
Then there’s the issues of getting D2 for filling in one or two days/weeks, here a day-there a day, take his PPO for 3 hrs while the FTO is CU, Court, etc.
Bite me.
Reverse seniority isn’t working.
Make it D-3 pay and get some seasoned, disciplined actors to take the temp FTO spots.
It might even prod a house mouse or two out from the cubicles of the district front offices too.
Even the bloated nest at HQ has plenty of entrenched house mice that could (and should) be enlisted.
Make it a 90 day Detail.
1/16/2018 11:29:00 AM
So you don't even take the test, then judge those who passed it and did well enough to get promoted, and somehow you have all the answers? House mice and headquarters do-nothings should be FTOs? What exactly can they teach someone about being the police? You're too smart to take the sergeant test, but you want D3 for riding with a new kid? You're clueless.
Nothing changes. When I came on in 1986 most of the FTOs were doing it because they were desperate for $ after their 3rd divorce, or were kooks of one stripe or another.
Old timers vs Newbies. Who gives a shit how much more time you have or what generation of cop you are. No wonder we all keep getting the 9 digit midget’s little widget right up our ass. Always fighting with each other. Focus on the big picture of this FUBAR department rolling out acting FTO’s again because they can’t make simple perks (or honor the ones they toss out there now) to entice cops to be FTOs. This is just another thing in the long line of bullshit that the brass is trying to pass as candy. But hey, so long as we are more concerned with an old timers lack of activity or the social media addiction of a PPO, they’ll just keep giving it to us hard and dry. And not even an offer of dinner afterwards....
To 8:28 why don’t you say it to her face? You must be the super police. Funny bc half the class is saying this and you single only her out. Must be jealous
Bring back DIRTY RED. Best FYI ever. 😈
Anonymous Anonymous said...
FTO’s are the unsung backbone of the CPD. Unfortunately the finances of the City of Chicago don’t allow for FTO’s to be adequately trained and compensated. An FTO should be guaranteed 10 Hours per week in OT and after five years of excellent service being an FTO should be a pathway to becoming a detective or assignment to a detached services unit such as the JTTF. An FTO should be a prerequisite to at least 50 of the spots in the training academy. In return an FTO should be subjected to enhanced vetting and polygraph interviews to ensure they are ethical and capable of providing leadership to younger officers. A good FTO is well educated (minimum Master’s Degree),has street savvy ( documented by service on Tact or a Rapid). I know you guys will hate this but comports himself/herself in a politically correct manner with citizens and his/her charges. Well educated and adequately compensated FTO’s can turn this department around!
You might be the DUMBEST bastard ever created!!! Clearly couldn't teach a bear to shit in the woods!
Anonymous said...
Do any of the CPD FTO’s take the class FTO 40-hour class (Sokolove method), or does Chicago just feel that if you’re a cop you know how to train someone.
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Same suburban cop troll with small dick syndrome. Every post is laced with shit talking CPD officers. I don’t know why SCC allows your comments. It’s like me posting comments about your department without ever working there. Said it before and I’ll say it again, CPD and other LEOs have a great working relationship on/off duty in my experience. You clearly have a hard-on for CPD. It’s kind of creepy actually. I think you’d ride an off-duty CPD copper hard than joe blow. Pathetic.
It is laughable that the city wants good seasoned po's to train recruits. Yah right, after the promotion scandals where these great seasoned po's don't have a chance at being promoted because all the politicians and the bosses promote their wives , girlfriends, relatives. Then the inspector general has a bullshit investigation concluding there wasn't any cheating. Reminds me of the song where the guy is screaming about the clouted super rich giving scraps from the table. Keep your scraps, but remember this when your entire police force is reactive and the real police retire and don't teach the tools of the trade to the new kids, kiss your city goodbye and I mean Michigan ave and Lincoln park. Then tell me if it was worth saving a few pennies.
When I came on my FTO's consisted of seasoned veterans I learned a lot from each one.Now we have 4 year FTO's that have zero knowledge about the job they continually call the Sgt. for advice how embarrassing.The department created this problem when they shit on the old FTO's moving them into training districts most just gave up the patch and never looked back.
The acting FTO position needs to pay $100.00 more a day for the increased hazard. That's the reality of getting a high quality person to do the job and get into cluster fucks on a daily basis while training the untrained within a society that has zero tolerance for mistakes.
America
Anonymous said...
Do any of the CPD FTO’s take the class FTO 40-hour class (Sokolove method), or does Chicago just feel that if you’re a cop you know how to train someone.
We suburban departments must be a bunch of dummies; aside from being established officers we also take a class and start off our FTO roles by training only phase 1 PPO’s. We have to build up plenty of training experience before we are able to train someone through the next phase, and do it for years before we are able to assess someone in the shadow phase.
But what do we know, just being dumb suburban cops and all.
1/17/2018 03:46:00 AM
CPD cut down the training for new recruits to 3 weeks in the academy. They do not receive classes on how to train a recruit. They receive a one day instructor class sometimes that consists of unprepared instructors trying to look good in a one hour class. FTO's have never received any recognition, not respected. So many lies and broken promises by the command staff. Pathetic.
How do I sign up??
I need to teach these young officers, mold them
Show them the way, the right way
I will dedicate my last years to these young souls.
Thank You Rahm for this chance to share my knowledge
Until the department increases the incentives then it won't matter how much they try to convince us of its importance, or how FTOs are the backbone of the department. Most who take it now are doing so in an attempt to transfer to another district they otherwise couldn't make off bid. That's why all the po's with 4-5 years OTJ are applying. Especially if you live on the northside where every district not 11 or 15 is taking 10 years to make it into.
Do any of the CPD FTO’s take the class FTO 40-hour class (Sokolove method), or does Chicago just feel that if you’re a cop you know how to train someone.
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Same suburban cop troll with small dick syndrome. Every post is laced with shit talking CPD officers. I don’t know why SCC allows your comments. It’s like me posting comments about your department without ever working there. Said it before and I’ll say it again, CPD and other LEOs have a great working relationship on/off duty in my experience. You clearly have a hard-on for CPD. It’s kind of creepy actually. I think you’d ride an off-duty CPD copper hard than joe blow. Pathetic.
1/17/2018 10:56:00 AM
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Actually it’s a legit question. I don’t know how the poster meant it but I was wondering the same thing. Chicago doesn’t really just let anyone train a new guy do they? Someone responded about a 3 week academy thing. I didn’t understand the response. But you guys do go through a FTO program before you train probationary cops, right? Otherwise it would seem that every cop trained by a guy who just volunteered to train him for a little extra pay could claim later that he wasn’t trained adequately. That would make it hard to discipline him down the road, wouldn’t it? Or to clear him of complaints for that matter. Just wondering, can anyone just be an FTO if they sign up for it?
Until the department increases the incentives then it won't matter how much they try to convince us of its importance, or how FTOs are the backbone of the department. Most who take it now are doing so in an attempt to transfer to another district they otherwise couldn't make off bid. That's why all the po's with 4-5 years OTJ are applying. Especially if you live on the northside where every district not 11 or 15 is taking 10 years to make it into.
Good luck. Lots of po's in 12 with 18years plus are signing up too. Suck it up and wait your turn rookie. Try getting to days in 12 as a fto. You'll need at least 13 more years of senority.
As somebody who trained (dispatchers) and was FTO'd as a suburban reserve (auxiliary) officer who patrolled solo and did police work, I'd blow a gasket if my PPO tried living on their cellphone. I'd tell them to turn it off and put it away. If they failed to comply I'd write it up on their DOR (Daily Observation Report) and specifically document that their phone interfered with their duties (observing surroundings, monitoring police radio traffic, etc.). Of course, I would counsel them as to the effect of cellphoneitis on their lives and training, so there would not be a 2nd event. My FTOs would have done the same. As a dispatcher trainer I went through a 40-hour course and trained several people...one of whom I recommended for termination after a 3 hour DOR writeup to document her total lack of interest and ability to do the job. The bosses (finally) listened after that DOR. Many people say being a trainer isn't worth the headaches, liability, and politics. Just remember you're training your backup, and maybe the future of the Department, document the hell out of every training day (good and bad points), keep copies for yourself, and even remember you were a starry-eyed rookie once. I feel sorry for the good men and women of CPD who daily unwillingly swim in the political sewage of Chicago and incompetent CPD merit promotees who cause such clusters...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
FTO’s are the unsung backbone of the CPD. Unfortunately the finances of the City of Chicago don’t allow for FTO’s to be adequately trained and compensated. An FTO should be guaranteed 10 Hours per week in OT and after five years of excellent service being an FTO should be a pathway to becoming a detective or assignment to a detached services unit such as the JTTF. An FTO should be a prerequisite to at least 50 of the spots in the training academy. In return an FTO should be subjected to enhanced vetting and polygraph interviews to ensure they are ethical and capable of providing leadership to younger officers. A good FTO is well educated (minimum Master’s Degree),has street savvy ( documented by service on Tact or a Rapid). I know you guys will hate this but comports himself/herself in a politically correct manner with citizens and his/her charges. Well educated and adequately compensated FTO’s can turn this department around!
What the fuck are you smoking?
An FTO with more than 10 years of service; an excellent work history should be a candidate for Merit Sergeant. No nepotism or favoritism allowed for promotional purposes
1/16/2018 08:56:00 PM
You dont have to wait,make your own merit package and hand it in.
Why the fuck should a FTO be awarded merit promotion? Merit is nothing more than a political ploy
Ppo’s are not going to be happy. Had a ppo in 010 go straight to the watch commander saying he couldn’t work with the po he was with because the po told him to take it easy on traffic stops since he was feeling under the weather. This infuriated the ppo. The ppo stated he had NOTHING to learn from such a dog ass copper and demanded he be reassigned. This generation of coppers are something else. We busted balls about the “hair gels,” but these snowflakes are really a different breed.
That PPO must’ve felt entitled, I heard around from the watch that his dad was some captain or liutenetant. It’s a shame, that entire group of Ppos are going to play the SOS game when they forgot it doesn’t exist anymore. No one cares about your family name kids.
The city of Chicago does not want to produce competent, proactive and lawfully sound police officers. The last time they did that starting in the 60’s police jailed and convicted so many bad guys the crook county jail had inmates sleeping in the hallways on mattresses and were paying a daily fine for overcrowding. Today the jails are almost empty and the city has learned from their mistakes, that a good proactive well trained police officer will fill up jails. The last thing the city wants is criminals being punished for their crimes. So if they turn out crime monitors instead of police officers their grand plan of putting evil over good will prevail. Truly a slap in the face to every law abiding tax paying citizen.
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