Stop Already
Remember this training bulletin?
- A high-speed chase of a carjacked Mustang that lasted nearly 45 minutes early Friday resulted in the arrest of two people in the South Side Gresham neighborhood.
The 2014 lime-green Ford Mustang was taken from two men, ages 21 and 22, in a carjacking at 9:14 p.m. at 116th Street and Church Street in the Morgan Park neighborhood, according to Chicago Police. They were sitting in the car when the suspects walked up to them and forced them out at gunpoint, then stole the car with their belongings inside.
Illinois State Police troopers saw the vehicle at 1:13 a.m. and pursued it, but the Mustang got away near Grand Avenue and Lake Shore Drive, police said.
CPD officers later spotted the car at South Blue Island Avenue and Damen Avenue in the Heart of Chicago neighborhood, police said.
A chase led to the 8700 block of South Union, where the Mustang crashed into a parked SUV in front of a home, police said. The two people inside the car got out and ran, but were caught and arrested.
We're pretty sure the last CPD car with an actual pursuit rated engine was retired from the fleet in the 1970's. 99 times out of 100, you aren't going to catch a Mustang. And the odds of any sort of crash, whether incidental or catastrophic, are almost as good given that these are
- winter streets,
- untrained criminal drivers (usually in their teens or early twenties),
- hopped up on something,
- and looking no further than the likes or eyeballs they can get on social media.
Balancing Test people. This one screams "NO!"
Labels: silly people
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
134 Comments:
But it was lime green. A Mustang in that color, absolutely must be returned to its owner.
That's why if you buy a Mustang or performance car, get it with a stick shift. 95% of the thieves can't drive them.
I thought this was an on and off type pursuit. They picked a lime green convertible Mustang to jack. The car was anything but low profile. All the same best not to endanger actual citizens with this nonsense.
Well, at least they got the car back.... sorta.
Its impossible to safely stop a fleeing vehicle with another automobile. Besides the danger to the public and to the Officers. Chasing people is almost always a bad idea,
retired from the fleet in the 1970s:
that says it all. Straight down shit line
from then on. Recruits, management,
cars, engines, training, tactics, guns
and drugs on the streets, police protests.
After state terminated the chase and news anchor called 911 stating he found the mustang and was following it which led to the send pursuit that involved ph1. Should have told that anchor man, sorry we don’t chase.
be smart, dont hit the lights right away. be slow, call out location, ask for the Calvary. Better to set a trap. Fuck staying Fetal....Play the game...its our City too.
It's no wonder all the shitheads and their bottom feeders are getting rich, hey get that shit out of your system or invest in a playstation or xbox...
In my opinion nice job officers. Just sayin, I know 100 percent what your talking about with pursuits and I’ve been jammed for a few and they are very dangerous but there is a flip side here. First, you are still police officers. Unfortunately in some instances you are gonna get into a chases.. how far it goes is the big question. 2nd agg veh hijackong is an allowable reason to chase. If you are going to chase you better be within department guidelines and state law. Don’t lie aboutspeeds and don’t act like an idiot. If you get burned by the other car then so be it but be safe. Document everything you see and are doing on the radio. Keep saying traffic and pedestrian traffic and road conditions and speed etc. don’t lie camerasare everywhere. But if you are legit then chase correctly and let the camera roll. Wait for your supervisor to terminate or determine yourself. You are still the police.
This is why the city refuses to equip with
Dodge Charger Enforcers or the Chevrolet
Caprice PPV...
Not that it really matters...
You young hard-heads keep chasing.
You young hard-heads keep wadding-up those squads.
You young hard-heads keep making Dude wad-up his
sled or blow up some poor slob in an intersection
or worse yet, be the cause of YOU blowing up some
poor slob in an intersection.
For what now?
So you can brag to the hog-head of the moment
about how being The Police in Chicago is
nothing but an all night tingle?
"Car chases, gun fights an' blowjobs!"
You guys are buying into bad bullshit.
Then you have the nerve to shit-talk
when the older guys try to save you
from yourselves.
You ought to be on your bald and naked knees
giving thanks that a few of the old guys think
enough of you to TELL YOU to stop it.
That or sitting in a FEDERAL courtroom in
the witness chair stinking of shit and
mumbling "Fuck my life" over and over again.
Shit's real.
Stop chasing Dude Inc. for dumb shit like this.
Chasing is dangerous to be certain, but so is not chasing criminals who commit crimes. They're dumb but not stupid - they know the cops aren't going to chase them, so they take that as free license to commit crimes w/a greatly reduced chance of ever getting caught.
Personally, I believe that the law ought to say that the criminals who run from the police are 100% liable and responsible for any injuries they or others incur as a result of their fleeing, and that they're also 100% responsible for any damages to any one or anyone's property as a result of their fleeing.
Start suing their vehicle insurers, yank their "Entitlements" cards, yank the free rent, seize any bank accounts or any other assets they have, take those damn gold grills and melt that shit down to pay the debt.
But it's about damn time the cops stop getting blamed for doing their jobs, and we blame the people at fault - the criminals.
f the cc jail. we cant wait for that to be fixed. Tact needs to lock up the usual suspects every night. The blue jeans have a string attached.
Plain and simple don’t chase balancing test says don’t chase period.
could be bad, but ended well, lets move on from this one. still the officers did a good job. they got lucky.
What The Hell Are They Thinking? "Hey Boss how about that chase last night? We got 2 arrests from that! That's good that you reminded me..I got this CR Number from COPA"..
It’s a balance of terror with these guys
In some European law enforcement agencies it has become standard practice to remove the adrenal gland thus giving you a more calm and level-headed officer.
It wasn’t just a stolen car that someone ran and decided to chase. The vehicle was taken in a forcible felony (Armed Robbery). Think that changes the playing field a bit. Seeing that Armed car jackings are up, ridiculously, just maybe they should be taken more seriously.
If you chase a car, you are going to violate the written POLICY. JUST DON'T DO IT!
Balancing test = car chase vs. suspension, getting sued or fired (or being catastrophically injured or a fatality). IS THAT SIMPLE ENOUGH.
Just saying, these are the facts now.
JUST SAY "NO"!
"but but but the troopers pursued it first!"
(doubt that'll fly)
It started over an on line arranged weed buy.
PH1 was doing the chasing.
Being a wild child from the 60's one old adage is still valid " You can't outrun a radio"
https://www.google.com/amp/s/chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/man-charged-with-chicago-murder-after-applying-to-be-new-orleans-police-officer/amp/
Why not at home...?
While I am generally in the “don’t pursue” camp, this was a forcible felony for which pursuit is allowed. You point out the mustang and the winter weather, but if the pursuing officer was in an AWD explorer he had many advantages. It takes more than horsepower to successfully pursue. And I’m betting the cop is a far better wheelman than Dude Inc.
Good job officer.
But how can I make it to a team and wear blue jeans with a drop-holster, a backwards hat, and a molle vest if I never chase cars in pursuits?
be smart, dont hit the lights right away. be slow, call out location, ask for the Calvary. Better to set a trap. Fuck staying Fetal....Play the game...its our City too.
Let me guess you have 3 years tops on the job??? Are you that dumb that you dont understand that they DONT want us chasing ANY vehicles!??? You will learn ....
Something is seriously wrong when the written department general orders state there will be no car chases and officers still feel the need to chase a vehicle. They must not value their jobs, family life, personal finances, etc etc. If that Mustang would have struck and injured or killed someone what would consequences have been? Wow!!!This shit truly amazes me and is incomprehensible.
"Lightloafers" Littleton has a lime green car, but it's a smart car.
In my opinion nice job officers. Just sayin, I know 100 percent what your talking about with pursuits and I’ve been jammed for a few and they are very dangerous but there is a flip side here. First, you are still police officers. Unfortunately in some instances you are gonna get into a chases.. how far it goes is the big question. 2nd agg veh hijackong is an allowable reason to chase. If you are going to chase you better be within department guidelines and state law. Don’t lie aboutspeeds and don’t act like an idiot. If you get burned by the other car then so be it but be safe. Document everything you see and are doing on the radio. Keep saying traffic and pedestrian traffic and road conditions and speed etc. don’t lie camerasare everywhere. But if you are legit then chase correctly and let the camera roll. Wait for your supervisor to terminate or determine yourself. You are still the police.
Your argument has merit, but the Department, lawyers, and COPA, has months, even years to review your actions via the lens of liability, while your family may be wondering, "Was it worth it, to have to mortgage the home, just to catch a bad guy that the County will let off anyway"?
The decision is yours, but the decision to chase (unless murder, or P.O. involved) is usually one with undue risk. The order is written basically to resolve the Department of liability when it goes sideways.
they all scream NO!!!!
Ask the traffic review coppers,
even though they got an arrest, these guys WILL be taking time
I was on scene. It was ISP pursuing as the lead the entire time. CPD was “following” as they say now but ISP was the first 4-5 cars chasing.
Thank you Officers, I had almost forgotten we had a police force.
" Ugh... I'm chasing a car squad....and I don't know why.." - Hairgel / Skinny Jeans 2-year wonder.
" Ugh... I'm chasing a car squad....and I don't know why.." - Hairgel / Skinny Jeans 2-year wonder.
The color of the Mustang didn't help them either.. Steal a neon colored car..
Kim Foxxx probably will ask for probation for the hijackers. She sucks and is making Chicago less safe with her weak views on criminals!
Did you see the roads that night? They were icy and slick and snowy and whomever that CPD supervisor was he was taking a big chance on his career "depending on clout" and those coppers chasing were taking big chances with both their careers and health. Call back, in the old days, used to be like Monty Pythons Ministry of funny walks due to these car accidents. Yes there were fuck ups there, and malingerers , but mostly there were guys and Gals fucked up by these cars.
And then they made the chases basically illegal and fire-able. But did a lot of guys listen? I once saw a bunch of covert Dick cars chase a guy thru 4 districts because he was the guy that was taking those car converters in a case they were working on. They were chasing in coverts and our SGTs/LTs were all screaming on the radio's not to help them. There was a guy who called off a chase on the radio when they guy went east in the W/B lanes of the Ike and then said "fuck it" and took off after him anyway. All of it recorded. LOL I worked one district full of young knuckleheads who would chase off radio communicating with those Nextel radio phones.
So Ive come to the conclusion many cops they hire are basically retarded. This hand puppet we work for loved this chase cause he has all these Hacks looking like South American Generals in town in awe of him for reducing the murders to only around 800 or so. But were getting killed by car jacks so they will let this go on until one of you fuck up and kill someone and then they will step on your guts, "depending on clout".
“hopped up on something”
I don’t think I’ve heard someone use that term in decades. You’re funny, SCC.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
In my opinion nice job officers. Just sayin, I know 100 percent what your talking about with pursuits and I’ve been jammed for a few and they are very dangerous but there is a flip side here. First, you are still police officers. Unfortunately in some instances you are gonna get into a chases.. how far it goes is the big question. 2nd agg veh hijackong is an allowable reason to chase. If you are going to chase you better be within department guidelines and state law. Don’t lie aboutspeeds and don’t act like an idiot. If you get burned by the other car then so be it but be safe. Document everything you see and are doing on the radio. Keep saying traffic and pedestrian traffic and road conditions and speed etc. don’t lie camerasare everywhere. But if you are legit then chase correctly and let the camera roll. Wait for your supervisor to terminate or determine yourself. You are still the police.
1/20/2018 12:33:00 AM
LOL.....
SCC, the heading on that Training Bulletin shouldn't only read "Motor Vehicle Pursuits", it should also say "Proactive Policing of Any Kind". And beneath should be that photo of Kimm Foxx and Special Ed in an Unholy Embrace that you ran on this site some time ago.
Balancing test should also include who victim is and circumstances of the initial incident. Throw those factors in and you'll find that over 50% of our so-called "victims" out here are really only victims of their own bad choices and decisions, including the company they keep. Hence, not worthy of our best efforts.
Yes, ideally an asshole who commits armed vehicular hijacking should have the book thrown at him: charged with any collateral damage as a result of the pursuit, assets seized, gubment aid stopped, etc. But this is Crook County guys, and the body politic is in the hands of a dangerous corrupt group of social justice race baiting slobs with an agenda to prosecute coppers for doing their job. See Unholy Embrace Photo above. All thanks to the voters, let it not be forgot. The liberal white guilt voters, Perpetually Aggrieved Community members, and Sanctuary City denizens opened the door for this shitshow because they bought into the rhetoric of these faithless politicians so they could continue to press the anti-police agenda.
A picture is worth a thousand words. Kimm and Eddie. Burn it in your memories, guys.
COPA, Rahm Emanuel whittling away our benefits and protections to pander to a mob that wants institutionalized lawlessness in their "Community", department orders and directives being rewritten monthly by the hundreds of pages to conform to God knows what, Force Mitigation, a rewritten Use of Force policy that leaves no room for an officer hanging after being forced to make a split second decision to defend himself and others... what more do you hard charging south side and west side new coppers need?
I pray you don't have to learn the hard way that this job can and will burn you, not reward you for the risks you take in good faith to try and make this city safer by taking dangerous monsters off the street.
And let's give a shout out to the stand up bosses who will be handling your critical incident, who will be reviewing your BWC and in car camera footage, and will inevitably come to the conclusion.that you didn't follow department directives and orders and did not apply the principles of de-escalation and force mitigation, thereby literally throwing you under the Kimm Foxx Express going s/b on Cottage Grove.
Honorable people, these bosses. They have the utmost faith and confidence in us, and don't regard us as a bunch of nitwits in continual need of punishment. (Sarcasm)
If Crook County and the Shitty were serious about cracking down on crime and criminals, then a lot, A LOT, would be different with our local laws, General Orders, Department Directives and Leadership (ha), and elected officials such as Aldermen, Mayor, States Attorney and Sheriff.
Sorry for the long post, SCC. Just don't want to see my fellow brothers become the latest feast for the liberal politicians and media in this town. Had to get all that off my chest. Thanks for hosting this forum for us.
After all is said and done if you feel the need to get into a chase so be but don't come crying when the shit hits the fan and you end up being fired and quite possible being charged with a crime because of your stupidity. Good luck with your future you will need it, you will get no benefit money from me.
Back in '05 the academy actually had us do a mock chase of an unmarked vehicle through the busy streets of the west loop. The FTO we were chasing in the scenario actually was driving his vehicle from the passenger seat. What do you think would have happened if a civilian was injured in a crash while this took place? Also, my partner fired his cap gun in our vehicle, just to see if it was loaded before the chase began...lol
Buy into this no pursuit policy. This wasn't a taillight it was a robbery, which I think is still a felony. But there are felonies and then there are Cook County felonies. These two folks are not going to prison, so why risk YOUR pension to chase them? Back in the day pursuits were really pretty rare. That's because when you ran from the police the judges and the DA would throw the book at you. Not the case today, so the criminals run. Why not? They like the rush as much as the young cops who are chasing them.
Two guys sitting in a lime green hotrod? Local boys? Lucky they only took their car.
They can open all the casinos they want, and I won't give them a dime of my pension pay. Why? Not because I don't enjoy the rush of winning, it just that I know that the odds are against me and I can't win. I suspect that's what it like to be on the CPD today, you can't win, so why play.
And if the arrestees were juveniles, they went “home” to their play Auntie courtesy of a CPD taxi service. If they were adults, PSMV charges denied by the ASA because they had the keys or some other bullshit excuse not to punish these assholes. All a big waste of time. You kids are putting your lives and health on the line chasing these losers for NOTHING.
Anonymous said...
It wasn’t just a stolen car that someone ran and decided to chase. The vehicle was taken in a forcible felony (Armed Robbery). Think that changes the playing field a bit. Seeing that Armed car jackings are up, ridiculously, just maybe they should be taken more seriously.
1/20/2018 01:51:00 AM
Tell that to the federal jury when granny gets killed.
be smart, dont hit the lights right away. be slow, call out location, ask for the Calvary. Better to set a trap. Fuck staying Fetal....Play the game...its our City too.
1/20/2018 12:28:00 AM
You're everything that's wrong with the job and the reason assholes protest the police!! Setup a trap "dumbass you are not allowed to box cars in so there goes your trap! This was a shit chase! Placing peolle in danger for a stolen car. When those involved are suspended I'll be sure NOT to buy a ticket to help the idiots!
courts have to do their part. jail time
Why would anyone own one of these in automatic? A car jacker hopping in a stick shift manual would instantly realize his inability to drive it and there would be no subsequent high speed chase.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Chasing is dangerous to be certain, but so is not chasing criminals who commit crimes. They're dumb but not stupid - they know the cops aren't going to chase them, so they take that as free license to commit crimes w/a greatly reduced chance of ever getting caught.
Personally, I believe that the law ought to say that the criminals who run from the police are 100% liable and responsible for any injuries they or others incur as a result of their fleeing, and that they're also 100% responsible for any damages to any one or anyone's property as a result of their fleeing.
Start suing their vehicle insurers, yank their "Entitlements" cards, yank the free rent, seize any bank accounts or any other assets they have, take those damn gold grills and melt that shit down to pay the debt.
But it's about damn time the cops stop getting blamed for doing their jobs, and we blame the people at fault - the criminals.
1/20/2018 12:34:00 AM
Not going happen with Kimmy, Rahm, Durbin, Dart, Madigan and all the other commie democrats.... running the show. including rinorauner...
The shit heads see the news about the city paying judgements and settlements for chases ending with citizens being hurt and the policy about not chasing. Why are jackings up? Because the chances of getting caught are minimal. Drive like a maniac and the pursuit will cease.
Hope these clowns keep running into CCL holders for a little instant justice.
LA PD has nineteen helicopters at the their disposal. Whereas, we have just one. That says it all!
Thieves: have watched Fast & Furious, big egos,
but can't drive a stick. It's a generational thing.
Pimp Daddy had an auto in his Caddy and he was
proud. He had other uses for his right hand.
For some, they can't wrap their minds around a
clutch and stick system. Uh, like, why would you buy
a car that you have to work to make it go?
Start suing their vehicle insurers, yank their "Entitlements" cards, yank the free rent, seize any bank accounts or any other assets they have, take those damn gold grills and melt that shit down to pay the debt.
LOL. You're assuming they have auto insurance??!!!
"But we're STILL Cops!
Right?"
The very meaning of "Policing" is being
forcibly rebooted to insure ALL liability
and culpability falls...
On.
YOU.
"But we're justified under state law!"
>Whine<
This hiding place behind state law
that you guys are making noise about?
It means DICK-ALL to the Home-Rule,
Municipal Corporation Entity that
purports to be your EMPLOYER...
How clearly can the deliberate peril
you're being cooked into be made to you guys?
Rahm is playing long game with you guys.
He'll make Corp. Counsel pay out to keep
the low information voters hotted-up against
ANYTHING good or positive for The Police.
Are you guys tone deaf?
Can you not read the very sour public mood?
Don't you know that they view you with the
disdain that should be reserved for Dude Inc.?
Have you any idea of how twisted and evil that is?
How is it that you guys keep blithely stepping
onto the gallows to take a lick for the good of society
when society has been turned against you and what little
public safety, peace and order that blue uniform USED
to represent?
Society rejoices that you're swinging in the wind.
It means that you're being "reformed."
Society continues to cravenly accommodate the
bloodshed and violence of Dude Inc. because
The Police have been kicked down to Dude's
spot on the societal hierarchy ladder.
Police Like You Have No Friends.
I will keep this true story as short as possible. It does have a message.
Years ago a small town in New York state was the victim of a bank robbery. The robbers were from out of town. They attempted to escape via several motor vehicles. The police and several good citizens, became involved. The whole thing became a Giant "Cluster----"! Several Police, Citizens, and Offenders were seriously injured. Lots of property damage. This all resulted in multiple law suits, that far exceeded the costs of what the money taken from the bank, would have been. At a summary town hall meeting this issue, was brought up to the mayor. Would not have it been better, to just let the offenders escape, with the money ?
The mayor's response was; Were either running a town, or not ! We are either the Police or Not!
The fake news media is not on our side. They will report how bad these arched car jackings are and they expect us to go after and catch the bad guy. As soon as a copper takes action, even if its within department policy, the FNM will be asking for our heads on a platter. Stay fetal.
It should be NO to every vehicle chase. Let the thugs steal and hijack cars and drive on the streets all that they want. Maybe the city administration will wake up and come up with a more reasonable law enforcement policy. If you have not heard, the Mayor of Baltimore fired the white police chief and installed a black police chief because of the continued violence in the city. Maybe it is time for the Mayor of Chicago to fire the police commissioner and the chief of detectives because of the record violence and the record low clearance rate for all types of violent crimes. No accountability here for the political appointees.
Everyone will blame the police, including the vehicle owner and the insurance company.
“The two people inside the car got out and ran, but were caught and arrested.”
Bottom line:
The two people inside the car got out and ran, but were caught and arrested, RELEASED ON I-BONDS AND BACK ON THE STREETS.
What was the outcome? Robbery, PSMV.?
Heck of a way to get the boss a mover, avoid an ISR...but get a traffic court date on the RDO.
Damned if you do and damned if you don't. In this case, good pinch and 2 pieces of shit taken off the street and probably prevented a dozen or more future armed car jackings. Now, if the bad guys had careened into mother pushing her twins in a stroller, it would all be the coppers fault. The media would tear the coppers apart and the ASA would press charges against the coppers for causing 3 deaths by knowingly and intentionally disregarding department policy. The ONLY balancing test coppers should be doing is asking is "do I want to go home to my family, or do I want to be the next YouTube sensation and possibly go to jail". The answer (if you have a brain) is A. Stay fetal.
In our (Chicagoland metro) area carjackings seem to be on the rise.I guess itz the easy prey.Some of the carjackers,children,teens or whatever are as young as 18.No descriptions.They usually come up to your car while you look busy(IPhone, IBook, IShow or what ever)and are preoccupied.
Always when in shit areas of cities be aware, never relax.I know itz tuff to do all the time but you're in there only a short time.It might mean driving an additional four miles to escape the shit but worth it.
Be aware
Scan the horizon
Make an escape plan
Be safe
Even if you catch the bad guys and nobody gets hurt, the City and the Department are clear, don't do it. When the mayor has to stand in front of the cameras to talk about how sad it was that the car crashed into a bus stop full of people, he will not be blaming the offenders, he will be blaming YOU!
Umm, it is the role of the police to chase the bad guys.
This is the trouble with profressives banning kids from playing cops and robbers...a entire generation forgets what police are FOR!!!
I compliment the police for trying to AND CATCHING the robbers! Thats a job well done!
Chasing is dangerous to be certain...... and most of the "dangers " have been shifted to the police.
Right and wrong don't have much to do with it anymore.
It's about survival for the average beat cop these days.
From what I heard confirms that most of this was done by PH1 and there was not an official chase by us. Guys just monitoring what PH1 was putting out
"Chasing is dangerous to be certain, but so is not chasing criminals who commit crimes. They're dumb but not stupid - they know the cops aren't going to chase them, so they take that as free license to commit crimes w/a greatly reduced chance of ever getting caught.
Personally, I believe that the law ought to say that the criminals who run from the police are 100% liable and responsible for any injuries they or others incur as a result of their fleeing, and that they're also 100% responsible for any damages to any one or anyone's property as a result of their fleeing.
Start suing their vehicle insurers, yank their "Entitlements" cards, yank the free rent, seize any bank accounts or any other assets they have, take those damn gold grills and melt that shit down to pay the debt.
But it's about damn time the cops stop getting blamed for doing their jobs, and we blame the people at fault - the criminals."...........
.......AMEN, UNTIL THEN STAY FETAL-NO CAR CHASES!!!!
If insurance companies wanted to address vehicle thefts, all they have to do is provide a tracking device for free. It shouldn't be on coppers to chase anyone for anything. The only thing coppers should be doing is a theft and recovery report once it is tracked and found.
Violation of policy. Copa "Fire them". Lawyers "sue them" . Kim Foxx "Jail them". Just dont chase. Didnt your Fto teach you Dont chase. Stay safe.
PH1 was following the car until the 2 occupants bailed at 87th/Parnell. Perimeter set up w/ PH1 giving updates of the offender’s location. There was no pursuit of this vehicle on the Southside, as the Mustang was going well over 100MPH. 6 different districts on scene.
Personally, I believe that the law ought to say that the criminals who run from the police are 100% liable and responsible for any injuries they or others incur as a result of their fleeing, and that they're also 100% responsible for any damages to any one or anyone's property as a result of their fleeing.
Start suing their vehicle insurers, yank their "Entitlements" cards, yank the free rent, seize any bank accounts or any other assets they have, take those damn gold grills and melt that shit down to pay the debt.
----
Assets? Insurance? You're kidding, right?
Chases ALL day and night in 010 and 011. People in those districts are not going to learn until they are stripped, fired, and lose everything. It's 2018 folks, it's time to wake up and realize the war on the police is real. Think about yourself and family, it's not worth it anymore!
Sorry, but the department doesn't teach any pursuit driving classes. Our new young cops really don't realize what they are risking whenyou chase. You can be held responsible for punitive damages which the city can't pay. It is for real. Young cops don't h ave driving skills, they think they are playing an X BOX GAME
Don’t let your ego outsmart you brain.
Did the judge I Bond the mis-guided youths ?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
be smart, dont hit the lights right away. be slow, call out location, ask for the Calvary. Better to set a trap. Fuck staying Fetal....Play the game...its our City too.
1/20/2018 12:28:00 AM
What kinda Trap are u talkin bout ? No blocking in of cars or basically putting yourself in front of the offending vehicle! Explain how you would Trap a vehicle and not violate the G.O's.
Please advise o wise one !
The writing has been on the wall for some time now. Chasing cars is not in your basic work duties. Who cares if the car gets away. So what. Another day these rats will get caught when they can't get away. Your chances of getting fired or going to jail for doing police work have never been higher. Just do the job the city wants you to do. No more no less. Stay safe and look out after your fellow officers. Go home safe at the end of your shift to your family and friends. At some point in the future citizens will get tired of being victims and you will be allowed to do your job. Be patient that day is not far off.
Can’t wait until all of you “don’t do it” and “stay fetal” people have this happen to one of your family members, we are the police, our families live here. They should be able to enjoy the city! Good job to all involved. At the very least give a little effort, and if your against any effort, let’s see what you have to say when it happens to a loved one
nonymous said...
It wasn’t just a stolen car that someone ran and decided to chase. The vehicle was taken in a forcible felony (Armed Robbery). Think that changes the playing field a bit. Seeing that Armed car jackings are up, ridiculously, just maybe they should be taken more seriously.
1/20/2018 01:51:00 AM
remember that car jacking a few years ago where the police chased the two offenders in South Shore area? The two offenders bailed out, one was caught and one was shot in the escape and died. It was criticized by Foxx during the election and she criticized the survive who was charged under the felony murder rule. The liberals do not want you to chase or shoot anyone.
In some European law enforcement agencies it has become standard practice to remove the adrenal gland thus giving you a more calm and level-headed officer.
1/20/2018 01:46:00 AM
BCBS HMO website says it's cheaper if the testicles are yanked at the same time.
I can't believe how many comments are saying we should chase because 'we are still the police.' Yeah, that will go great as a defense in court. Have you seen or worked with some of the stellar individuals on our department? I'm leary of them just simply driving a car, much less getting into a car chase. Let's break down the reasons why not to chase:
1) No matter if you do everything right, another police vehicle involved in the pursuit can fuck it all up. You might not recieve the blunt of the blame, but will be jammed up none the less. The more millenials and minority hires that the police academy shits out, the more poorly trained officers are working the streets. What car chase training do they have? And no, driving around orange cones does not count in the real world.
2) Car jacking is a serious crime... unless you are in a court of Crook County. Then it turns into a slap on the wrist for the offender, especially if they are a juvie. Kind of pointless to chase, endangering yourself and other citizens, if the aspiring rapper recieves barely any jail time.
3) If a citizen does get killed, you will take the full blame in the media. Doesn't matter if you were chasing the resurrected ghost of Al Capone. The article in the Tribune a month ago focused on citizen deaths related to police chases. Completely biased and bashed the police with barely any mention of the offender's crimes.
4) The pursuit policy is written so that if you do the slightest thing wrong, the department can hang you. Now, with the COPA vulture waiting to chew on a police carcass, odds are really stacked against you.
5) The department does not have your back if things do go awry. That should be obvious.
Reasons to chase:
1) Duh, we took an oath. You can get an honorable mention.
Just like at work or on this blog, I can debate and win arguing the merits of getting in a police chase all day long. Millenial coppers are especially fun to put in place. I've been in a few chases myself. After one went hairy because of the stupidity of one officer involved, never again.
Unless some chicken hawk child killer abducts a kid off the street and puts the kid in their gray, rusty van, don't chase!!!
Once the original chase ended the odds became 50-50 or less that a robbery conviction in crook county could be obtained. Dude Inc will claim they fount the car running and borrowed it for a ride to rib shack. Then there is the state’s attorney, who may charge other than PSMV, which is all contingent on the victims being willing to participate.
If the bad guy crashes into someone,causing injuries,your done.
Don't chase!!!!
They’re just going to get I Bonds so why bother.
The criminals are going to continue stealing cars because there’s little risk and repercussion. It shouldn’t matter what manner the vehicle was taken. Cars fleeing for “ just traffic “ are rarely actually just fleeing because they ran a stop sign so calling a chase off immediately is kind of ridiculous. The pursuing unit should know and call it off if the individual fleeing is getting to reckless. Bad shit is going to happen but the repercussions should be on the offender, not the police. By immediately terminating pursuits just gives these guys more reason to continue stealing cars . Most importantly, guys are not using stolen cars to joyride. They are using them to commit forcible felonies up to and including murder.
I firmly believe if the offender felt the FULL repression’s of what occurred during a pursuit, word would get around and the vehicular hijackings would be lower. Currently they flee, we chase then terminate and they repeat. Additionally, most shootings involve a vehicle whether it’s stolen or not. Currently we’re giving everyone a pass on everything once they flee in a vehicle. The system is broken and until the police are allowed to do their job without paying the repercussions for trying to catch violent criminals, the police are going to continue to watch the city turn into Detroit. Until we get some support, I’ll continue to watch the shit show.
All Knowing said...
"be smart, dont hit the lights right away. be slow, call out location, ask for the Calvary. Better to set a trap. Fuck staying Fetal....Play the game...its our City too."
The dumb ass pursuit order does not allow you to "set a trap". The order states you can only have a primary and secondary unit. No paralleling, no road blocks etc. etc. Until the politicians and city attorneys rewrite the order by removeing restrictions and adding protections to pursuing officers, the perfect storm of car jackings will continue and intensify. Sure, I know, all you were doing is following and since you did not turn on the strobes, it was not a chase. You can state that while you are declaring your assets during the lawsuit. When I came on the job the General and Special orders were 2 binders when stacked were about 8 inches tall. Now that stack is about 3 feet. The "General" orders were guidelines to follow, now the orders are highly detailed and specific. Plaintiff's attorneys go through these orders with a fine toothed comb and list violations of policy and procedure in their lawsuits filed against you.
OT anyone who spoke out against Alderman Arenas housing projects, better check their employee jackets for CR #'s. Word is that his office got CR numbers on any officer that opposed his development.
Good job on these officers that locked these shitheads up! This was a vehicular hijacking in 022. Too close to the home front
All Knowing said...
"The decision is yours, but the decision to chase (unless murder, or P.O. involved) is usually one with undue risk. The order is written basically to resolve the Department of liability when it goes sideways."
So long as you are taking lawful police action, the city will always be a defendant in the lawsuit. The order was written to stop unnecessary pursuits and reduce the total number of pursuits and the lawsuits which follow. The problem that the city finds itself in, is the explosion of auto thefts and car jackings that have resulted from fewer pursuits and apprehensions of offenders. As I said in an earlier post, the problem will intensify. The reason why we have a huge increase in car jackings is because modern vehicles require a key or a key fob to start them. You can't just peal the column or hot wire a modern automobile, the key or fob is necessary to allow the computer to start it. The only cars that are being stolen the traditional way are 20+ years old or somebody left the key in it. There are also high tech methods of receiving and then amplifying the signal from your key fob to start the automobile, which I won't get into.
Arrested for 2 armed robberies and battery but...released on electronic monitoring
Man charged in 2 robberies, accused of throwing woman to ground is released on electronic monitoring - Chicago Tribune
https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-armed-robberies-20180120-story,amp.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-armed-robberies-20180120-story.html
"Umm, it is the role of the police to chase the bad guys.
This is the trouble with profressives banning kids from playing cops and robbers...a entire generation forgets what police are FOR!!!
I compliment the police for trying to AND CATCHING the robbers! Thats a job well done!"
You are, of course, correct. Except this won't teach that generation what cops are for. The moment a chase goes bad and people die, you won't hear that generation saying "well, it's a shame that those dumb criminals decided to flee in a vehicle and risk everyone's lives" you'll hear them say "Why were you chasing them and risking everyone's lives over a car!!"
The only way for people to learn what the police are for is to make them realize what it's like when police stop doing that. Cops still do a job- responding to calls, etc- but they can't do the job they should do until citizens let them and won't punish them for it.
Very simple. Just say NO! Your wife and kids will thank you for making the right decision. Live to serve another day.
Anonymous said...
Can’t wait until all of you “don’t do it” and “stay fetal” people have this happen to one of your family members, we are the police, our families live here. They should be able to enjoy the city! Good job to all involved. At the very least give a little effort, and if your against any effort, let’s see what you have to say when it happens to a loved one
1/20/2018 01:36:00 PM
You are an idiot. If it happens to a loved of mine and they aren't hurt or killed then thank God. I still wouldn't want an officer or civilian getting killed in a car chase over a loved ones piece of property. Damn, we got some fools on this job
Anonymous said...
It wasn’t just a stolen car that someone ran and decided to chase. The vehicle was taken in a forcible felony (Armed Robbery). Think that changes the playing field a bit. Seeing that Armed car jackings are up, ridiculously, just maybe they should be taken more seriously.
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That will only make a difference with charging the offenders IF it was even them. These cars get passed around as much as a joint in a Chech and Chong movie. Even if it was them, they went to trial and lost, the offenders would still only face a light sentence-maybe even time served.
Give the department, courts, and public what they want..Dont chase
If you chase someone and all goes bad, you will be fired. If you shoot at a moving motor vehicle, you will be fired. This is straight from a supervisor in IAD.
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The two suspects accused of carjacking a lime green Mustang and leading cops on a Miles-long chase showed up. The men supposed robbed 2 brothers looking to purchase weed and stole their car/wallets. One defendant received $50K i-bond while the 2nd man received no bail. #bondcourt
If a family member is carjacked I will be relieved when I know they are safe and I will hope that none of my fellow officers get hurt or in trouble chasing a car I don’t want back.
I will also know from many, many years of experience that nothing will happen to the shitheads that would be worth my fellow officers risking their safety or their jobs.
If you want to be stupid and play police like it was 1985 “because we’re still the fuckin’ police” then don’t cry when the shitbag cracks up and kills an innocent person and ed and kim decide it’s your fault.
I wish it wasn’t this way but it is. Don’t be stupid.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
PH1 was following the car until the 2 occupants bailed at 87th/Parnell. Perimeter set up w/ PH1 giving updates of the offender’s location. There was no pursuit of this vehicle on the Southside, as the Mustang was going well over 100MPH. 6 different districts on scene.
1/20/2018 11:16:00 AM
Officer, you stated that there were you no officers chasing the vehicle. Please explain to the court, how officers from 6 different districts were on scene?
LOL.....
The Chicago Police Department has a pursuit policy. It’s called the balancing test. In the general order it doesn’t say we are not allowed to pursue but take into consideration all the facts. Remember to remain calm on the radio notify dispatch why you are following a vehicle including your speed pedestrian traffic road conditions weather. A lot of supervisors have no balls or common sense. However there still are some supervisors that are the real police and trust their officers to make the right decisions. Apply common sense. What if it was a pursuit for a officer shot or shot at and are we not supposed to go after the vehicle. I totally get it and liability but don’t go on this blog and say no automatically to pursuits.
Yep sounds right. A stolen Mustang is worth dying for. Maybe it's time for PH1 to calm the fuck down too. Just get your fucking event number and fly away.
The Chicago Police Department has a pursuit policy. It’s called the balancing test. In the general order it doesn’t say we are not allowed to pursue but take into consideration all the facts. Remember to remain calm on the radio notify dispatch why you are following a vehicle including your speed pedestrian traffic road conditions weather. A lot of supervisors have no balls or common sense. However there still are some supervisors that are the real police and trust their officers to make the right decisions. Apply common sense. What if it was a pursuit for a officer shot or shot at and are we not supposed to go after the vehicle. I totally get it and liability but don’t go on this blog and say no automatically to pursuits.
1/20/2018 06:59:00 PM
Your argument is flawed. A member of the Chicago Police Department cannot trust their, "supervisors." You may initiate and maintain a pursuit for a good reason. But the minute something bad happens, your, "supervisors" will go to the tapes along with COPA to find a violation to hang you.
The blog is 100% accurate to say no pursuits. Now go back to pressing your white shirt.
LA PD has nineteen helicopters at the their disposal. Whereas, we have just one. That says it all!
1/20/2018 09:32:00 AM
LA is twice the size of Chicago and has a more intricate expressway system, not to mention LAs pursuit policy is much more liberal. Tgat said 19 is a bit over kill.
Until the offenders are put in prison
for multiples of years?
DO NOT CHASE!
The Police are going to prison
for vehicle pursuits gone pear-shaped...
The "Community" demanded and were given this.
The shithead fleeing in the car, if captured,
will be back on the street before you clock
in for your next tour of duty.
The powers-that-be are desperate to keep up
the appearance of The Police "doing something"
when the appropriate and common sense Police
action is to respond and take reports.
Pay no attention to the trolls posting all the
"But we're the cops and we still chase dude!"
Dude will be Dude until the public has had enough.
Respond.
Report.
Relocate.
Look.
Laugh.
Leave.
I got 99 problems but a pursuit ain’t one.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The Chicago Police Department has a pursuit policy. It’s called the balancing test. In the general order it doesn’t say we are not allowed to pursue but take into consideration all the facts. Remember to remain calm on the radio notify dispatch why you are following a vehicle including your speed pedestrian traffic road conditions weather. A lot of supervisors have no balls or common sense. However there still are some supervisors that are the real police and trust their officers to make the right decisions. Apply common sense. What if it was a pursuit for a officer shot or shot at and are we not supposed to go after the vehicle. I totally get it and liability but don’t go on this blog and say no automatically to pursuits
Pure the balancing test, anytime the fleeing vehicle breaks a traffic law, you are to terminate the chase. Speeding, running stop signs and stop lights, going wrong way on a way one street.... terminate... in this day in age, you will be hung out to dry.
Leave it alone and let the insurance companies handle it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If you chase someone and all goes bad, you will be fired. If you shoot at a moving motor vehicle, you will be fired. This is straight from a supervisor in IAD.
1/20/2018 06:50:00 PM
Probably right but IAD doesn't investigate either of those incidents.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT anyone who spoke out against Alderman Arenas housing projects, better check their employee jackets for CR #'s. Word is that his office got CR numbers on any officer that opposed his development.
1/20/2018 04:29:00 PM
On what grounds? What was the violation?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT anyone who spoke out against Alderman Arenas housing projects, better check their employee jackets for CR #'s. Word is that his office got CR numbers on any officer that opposed his development.
1/20/2018 04:29:00 PM
Why check your jacket? You have to be notified if a CR # is issued against you
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT anyone who spoke out against Alderman Arenas housing projects, better check their employee jackets for CR #'s. Word is that his office got CR numbers on any officer that opposed his development.
1/20/2018 04:29:00 PM
____
How dare voters voice their opinions in a democracy.
All Knowing said...
"The decision is yours, but the decision to chase (unless murder, or P.O. involved) is usually one with undue risk. The order is written basically to resolve the Department of liability when it goes sideways."
So long as you are taking lawful police action, the city will always be a defendant in the lawsuit. The order was written to stop unnecessary pursuits and reduce the total number of pursuits and the lawsuits which follow. The problem that the city finds itself in, is the explosion of auto thefts and car jackings that have resulted from fewer pursuits and apprehensions of offenders. As I said in an earlier post, the problem will intensify. The reason why we have a huge increase in car jackings is because modern vehicles require a key or a key fob to start them. You can't just peal the column or hot wire a modern automobile, the key or fob is necessary to allow the computer to start it. The only cars that are being stolen the traditional way are 20+ years old or somebody left the key in it. There are also high tech methods of receiving and then amplifying the signal from your key fob to start the automobile, which I won't get into.
1/20/2018 04:55:00 PM
Traffic Review Board doesn't give a flying fuck whether or not charges were approved, guilty/not guilty, lawsuit or not. Your paycheck will be short. That's the bottom line, if you still want to play cowboys and Indians, you are certified dumb fuck.
Only a nut would chase and risk his job, family, freedom, finances and life.
when its for property .. hell no.
but you have the just off probation POs that want to make a name for themselves so they can get to tac and wear blue jeans and carry around a spitter container for their chew, call these out when a car refuses to stop for them.
Then you have the ones that did this already 10 times with a happy ending, that are now on tac with under 2 years on the job, calling out the same thing, then chasing them in an unmarked sqd!!
all good until THAT ! that ends BAD and your sitting in front of jury that hates the police, trying to justify why YOU chased this car causing this criminal to crash and hurt or kill someone just minding their business, even if the only one hurt or killed is the criminal.
I got 99 problems but a pursuit ain’t one.
1/20/2018 09:06:00 PM
I got 99 bottles of beer.....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT anyone who spoke out against Alderman Arenas housing projects, better check their employee jackets for CR #'s. Word is that his office got CR numbers on any officer that opposed his development.
1/20/2018 04:29:00 PM
Why check your jacket? You have to be notified if a CR # is issued against you
Because it could take weeks or months to he notified, however a CR gets listed under the log tab in your employee jacket, once the log number is pulled. I'd rather know now than 4 months from now, cause once you get formally notified you only have 72 hours to respond, knowing now allows for better planning.
Gosh your a smart guy. I bet you actually passed a test. Well I forget how many Bosses Ive heard say the new chase regs mean "dont fucking chase for anything on my watch". BTW it isn't just the city who is the defendant, nor do they have to indemnify you.
""""""So long as you are taking lawful police action, the city will always be a defendant in the lawsuit. The order was written to stop unnecessary pursuits and reduce the total number of pursuits and the lawsuits which follow. The problem that the city finds itself in, is the explosion of auto thefts and car jackings that have resulted from fewer pursuits and apprehensions of offenders. As I said in an earlier post, the problem will intensify. The reason why we have a huge increase in car jackings is because modern vehicles require a key or a key fob to start them. You can't just peal the column or hot wire a modern automobile, the key or fob is necessary to allow the computer to start it. The only cars that are being stolen the traditional way are 20+ years old or somebody left the key in it. There are also high tech methods of receiving and then amplifying the signal from your key fob to start the automobile, which I won't get into.
1/20/2018 04:55:00 PM""""""""""
How dare people voice their opinions is a democracy?
This aint a fuckin democracy, dumbass.
I do understand the notion of teaching the community a lesson BY giving them what they want...cops doing nothing. But you are missing something significant there- losing support police still have by people who already know what cops are for.
And they are the majority outside the chicago bubble.
I feel the plight, my own son wears a uniform and a badge. The point is you have to turn your backs on the politicians giving the backward orders and direction cops be thrown to the wolves, not the massive majority of people whos rights you swore to defend.
You doing so is falling into the politicians trap, ensnaring yourselves right where the corrupt politicians want you...making yourselves the ones to be blamed AGAIN.
dont let those corrupt bastards toss police under the bus, again, by hiding under it! Hey, much of the fetal strategy is right and proper, please do reject revenue generation policing! Oppose the demanded parkers and movers and contact cards. Reject the Terry Stop premise, demanding warrants insread. But when it comes to ROBBERY,RAPE and Malicious Murder, give chase and catch the evildoers!
People really do want cops to chase and catch REAL CRIMINALS. People are sick and tired of cops manufacturing them out of innocent people while REAL ones run amok. Sadly, most folks dont realize its really the policians causing this problem, which is why cops have to act responsibly here-to TEACH this lesson the RIGHT WAY.
No, collecting a check for doing nothing is NOT the correct way to teach it. It is just a recipe to be BLAMED for that too AND a way for POLITICIANS to ESCAPE their responsibility.
Is that what you want? To provide the corrupt bastards a way out? A patsy to blame? You want cops to be the patsy-again?
Well I DONT! Because this crap aint the cops fault, its the ones using cops as pawns fault!
Some days you got to give and some days you have to take, it looks like these offers did bought. Good job, and fuck the rest of the ney assholes. Their the ones who keep voting democrat, like the 19th ward coopers.
Why check your jacket? You have to be notified if a CR # is issued against you
1/20/2018 09:40:00 PM
No, you do not have to be notified
If you want to be stupid and play police like it was 1985 “because we’re still the fuckin’ police” then don’t cry when the shitbag cracks up and kills an innocent person and ed and kim decide it’s your fault.
I wish it wasn’t this way but it is. Don’t be stupid.
1/20/2018 06:54:00 PM
You just said it all my friend. This is not " 1985". Those days are gone ( and I don't mean the actual calendar year) forever. Those were good days to be the police, I know I lived through them. We got things done. The liberal political class does not want you to act the way we did, which is not saying we did anything wrong. protect yourself and your family, that is all that counts these days. I watch from afar as I am retired and I moved out of the city. I pray for you guys/girls.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
All Knowing said...
"The decision is yours, but the decision to chase (unless murder, or P.O. involved) is usually one with undue risk. The order is written basically to resolve the Department of liability when it goes sideways."
The city would like it that way, but it seldom works out that way. Orders don’t help much. Look at the last few lawsuits. Code of silence, lack of training, etc were the reasons. Supervisors not calling off the chases. City always gets sued because they have the deep pockets and no matter how wrong or how many general orders the officer disobeyed the city in the end pats the bills
Need more Concealed Carriers... I train for situations like this! One of these spineless bastards tries to remove me from my vehicle by use of force and while armed, I have a guaranteed ticket to hell for them! :) Arm up Citizens!
Lawful police action to the goofball who wrote that good luck to u keep playing with fire laws dont count in chicago only votes and what party u belong to. Judges and courts base decision on there emotions not what the law is so again good luck to u goofball!
Keep saying forcible felony was used so your in the right hahaha...tell that to a jury and judge who are infected with the liberal mentality when u go to court and they throw u under the bus!
Chasing for what? This was insane and think you could of the next copper to be in the permanent wheel chair,or killed an innocent person,dont worry you will all be in court soon,and bets are salary will be reduced awhile! Balancing test think with your head not your ass!
Just you wait until a media person's/alder-mutt's/Rahm & Co.
slush fund bundler's/ACLU asshole's spawn/side-poke/family member is snatched/slapped/jacked/kacked by your friendly neighborhood
representatives of Dude Inc...
"WAH! WHY DIDN'T YOU COPS GIVE CHASE?"
Well shit... If you ignorant m/fers weren't so up your
own asses about firing/ruining/imprisoning Policemen
for the unlawful fleeing/eluding antics of Dude Inc.
that go egg-shaped with injuries and fatalities?
...Awwww fuck it.
Tired of preaching to you willfully ignorant twits
who are getting chafed at "selfish" Police giving
you exactly what you've been howling for.
You've condemned The Police as being "The Problem."
The Police are very properly and appropriately responding
to your condemnation, hatred and scorn.
So now, you m/fers are beside yourselves because
The Police are granting your wish and are taking
measures not to be so... Well... So.
"YAAHHH! That's NOT what WE meant and you guys know it!"
Well then why not clarify w/o the benefit of the usual
liberal/progressive/local media/perpetual race grievance
industrial complex weasel words/slippery sytax/linguistic
gyrations/circular logic?
>Crickets<
...Without which, you lot have the sum equivalent
of negative dick-all.
Police Like You Have No Friends.
These fools keep playing with fire, you will be burned.
Hey 21 Jan 18 at 10:24 a.m., if the majority of people support the police THEN VOTE OUT THE F*ING POLITICIANS AND JUDGES WHO ENABLE THE CRIMINALS AND PERSECUTE THE POLICE !! Everyone that stops and takes time to say, "thanks officer, we appreciate what you do," thank you but your words won't help the police against the political media combine.
What would be much more useful than words would be to not only vote out every current elected county and city politician and judge, but to PUBLICLY SHAME THEM AND DEMAND THEIR PROSECUTION for their conspiracy to undermine public safety and collaborate with lawless dangerous destabilizing agitators and gangbangers.
We serve the city under rules and laws established by the people through their elected representatives who make the laws. You want us to police again? Get politicians in there who will back us and not paralyze or persecute us. In 20 years, the rules of the game out on the street have changed so much to the disadvantage of the people who have taken an oath to serve and protect that we really can't serve and protect effectively any more.
And the voters are culpable in this. When I see the police handling someone roughly, on the news or what not, the first thing I think is, "what did that asshole do to get himself in trouble with the police", not, "hey those police are using excessive force; they should be fired and prosecuted."
You go anywhere in the City, from snowflake whitey North side to "minority" majority south and west sides and they will overwhelmingly respond with choice #2 above.
The people, and the politicians, don't have our backs. Chaos ensues. Enjoy your City. You liberal progressives or aggrieved minority majorities worked hard for it, you got it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I got 99 problems but a pursuit ain’t one.
1/20/2018 09:06:00 PM
I got 99 bottles of beer.....
*******
...on the wall.
99 bottles of beer...
Take one down and..... okay, okay, I’ll stop now....
If insurance companies wanted to address vehicle thefts, all they have to do is provide a tracking device for free. It shouldn't be on coppers to chase anyone for anything. The only thing coppers should be doing is a theft and recovery report once it is tracked and found.
How about adding the ability for the owner to disable the engine on every car. Yea you're gonna say when you shut off the engine you lose the power steering and brakes. You only lose the power assist, Not manual steering and brakes. It's much better alternative to high speed chases.
'No, collecting a check for doing nothing is NOT the correct way to teach it. It is just a recipe to be BLAMED for that too AND a way for POLITICIANS to ESCAPE their responsibility.
Is that what you want? To provide the corrupt bastards a way out? A patsy to blame? You want cops to be the patsy-again?
Well I DONT! Because this crap aint the cops fault, its the ones using cops as pawns fault'
Very noble thoughts mr civilian Are you going to post you life savings and Home to get us an attorney. Are you going to get us our job back, provide us a pension, and in the worst case serve our prison time. You just don't know until you have actually walked in our shoes and experienced what we have. Thanks for your support . And I guarantee you, none of us would knowingly let anyone get hurt.
Why people still use to read news papers when in this technological globe
all is accessible on web?
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