Correlation is Not Causation
- The vast majority of Chicago bike tickets still go to cyclists in black neighborhoods, despite past criticism by community and cycling advocates that enforcement is uneven across the city.
In 2017, about 56 percent of all bike tickets were issued in majority black neighborhoods, compared with 24 percent in Latino neighborhoods and 18 percent in white neighborhoods, according to Chicago police statistics. Blacks, Latinos and whites each make up about a third of the city’s residents, according to the U.S. Census.
A Tribune story last year found similar results between 2008 and 2016. Nine out of ten tickets are for biking on the sidewalk.
So the Tribune and assorted aldercreatures aren't going to be happy until the ratio of tickets exactly matches the racial makeup of the city? Seriously? If we sat and thought about it for a week, we couldn't come up with a dumber conclusion than these morons obviously have.
How about this - most of the lawbreaking occurs in a certain portion of the city and therefore, enforcement efforts will be heavier where the lawbreaking is more obvious? Has anyone seen the homicide count for the past 50 or 60 years? Should the Department ignore the homicides until such time as they level out racially across the city? We don't think that idea would fly in the "community."
How about this?
How about this - most of the lawbreaking occurs in a certain portion of the city and therefore, enforcement efforts will be heavier where the lawbreaking is more obvious? Has anyone seen the homicide count for the past 50 or 60 years? Should the Department ignore the homicides until such time as they level out racially across the city? We don't think that idea would fly in the "community."
How about this?
- Some communities that saw high numbers of bike tickets, such as Austin and North Lawndale, are also disproportionately affected by severe traffic crashes, according to the city’s transportation department. Six of the city’s seven 2017 bike fatalities occurred on the South and West sides
Gee, would that be because bike riders aren't obeying the rules of the road?
Now, should tickets be the only option? Probably not. Aren't there any education initiatives underway to educate the public about how a bicycle is required to be ridden in and around traffic? Because it's a vehicle in traffic according to Illinois State Law, required to obey the Rules of the Road. It isn't "I'm a bike and I can do whatever I want." That's a good way to get a ticket....or get killed.Rahm has spent how many millions on bike lanes and bike stations in the "under-served" areas of the city, so is it too much to expect those areas to obey the actual law?
Now, should tickets be the only option? Probably not. Aren't there any education initiatives underway to educate the public about how a bicycle is required to be ridden in and around traffic? Because it's a vehicle in traffic according to Illinois State Law, required to obey the Rules of the Road. It isn't "I'm a bike and I can do whatever I want." That's a good way to get a ticket....or get killed.Rahm has spent how many millions on bike lanes and bike stations in the "under-served" areas of the city, so is it too much to expect those areas to obey the actual law?
Labels: silly people
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
70 Comments:
Let's make it easy and not give out any tickets! Who needs any stinking tickets any way!
There is now way to help people that will just disobey the law anyway. Riding bikes, carrying guns, killing people, robbing people, jacking people......there are already laws in place. You cant make or educate someone into being a good citizen. It takes upbringing.
Why give asshole a ticket? Asshole will learn how the law of momentum and the law of apples falling off trees work in no time... on another note I have been watching on Netflix a german tv show called "Babylon Berlin"... its about a detective in 1929 Berlin. 😉👍👍
It's almost like when you put a disproportionately high amount of police officers in certain areas, you get disproportionately high police activity. Weird...
The 18 year old guy on a bmx type bicycle is either holding the pac or security (gun) for the spot.
WTF ?
As kids, a bike was low on the list of being cool.
Nowadays, for the adults, it's a form of rebellion.
An "I've arrived" moment meant to piss off fellow
Blacks and of course The Man. Just begging to
get pulled over and hit the lottery.
Serial offenders should have their bikes impounded
and their rights to ride revoked.
Maybe there are more tickets in certain neighborhoods, because most of the Chicago fucking PD is in those neighborhoods?
It is hard to ticket those crackers, when you don't even patrol their neighborhoods.
Couldn’t it also be the number of officers assigned to a district or area? More officers, more enforcement only stands to reason
Geographically, 016 is probably equal to size as 011 and 015 combined but the number of officers in 016 is what about a fifth of the officers in 011 and 015
How about this:
In the interest of restoring equity to their version of the justice system, let all who define themselves as being unjustly not prosecuted/persecuted step forward and volunteer to take the civil and criminal hits for these many, many unjustly prosecuted/persecuted minorities.....
Step Up, oh unjustly NOT ticketed privileged believers, and demand that unjustly issued ticket be imposed upon YOU!
Step Up, oh NOT unjustly prosecuted/persecuted, NOT criminal indicted privileged believer, and take that indictment upon YOUR privileged self, for the purity of the purpose of EQUITY!!!!!
Yeah......I shall refrain from holding my breath, let alone my farts, waiting for that to happen.....(and....the 1st one to ask, what about your bladder..... Gets a PRIZE!!!!!)
Maybe if they'd put more police in these neighborhoods, the number of tickets would even out.
rb
There you go again picking on folks in the community. Let them get tin over who cares, call it survival of quickest.
So the Tribune and assorted aldercreatures aren't going to be happy until the ratio of tickets exactly matches the racial makeup of the city?
When the police resources are at the same ratio throughout the city, come talk to me.
It's them fucking Amish people once again! ROFLMFAO These politicians are the problem!!
I made a lot of good dope arrest by stopping guys on a bike they move a lot of it most will tell you how did you know? I would said your
Mom told me and the bike is stolen the good old time
Is there ever going to be an end to what these people complain about?
Over 1.2 billion dollars of unpaid tickets the city has so boys and girls keep up the good job to get a city job you must not owe the city or country or state any money new police test in may also must pay any students loans on time that is one way to get good people on the job so 9.5 fingers can't get his way pay up or no job I lov it
you can talk till you are blue in the face yet the message never registers.
yet their outrage is always pointed back towards their imagined oppressors.
this juicy news item makes me LMFAO. a flashback from the early 70s for sure
https://www.weaselzippers.us/374296-race-and-iq-science-project-causes-uproar-at-sacramentos-mcclatchy-high-school/
Drivers license suspended no insurance car impounded I got to get around fuck the police!
If the police try to catch me on my Divvy Bike, they better call in a chase.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Who cares if they ride on the sidewalk, backwards, in and out of traffic?
This is not being fetal. Ticket kings are asking to get jammed up
How about this?
More tickets are going to be written areas where there is more police. Is that the white areas? No
It's very simple. If you want less reenforcement in these minority areas, reduce the amount of police there.
Is there any statistics as to the amount of crimes in an area, the race of the victim and race or probable race of the offenders include the racial breakdowns of County Jail and IDOC you will find they are mostly DEMOCRATS. This could be the problem.
How about they stop braking the law out of pre-portion to there % of the population and not just bike riding but every crime you can think of.
The feral creatures cannot be tamed! Let the jungle burn down on its own.
Mike “Gentle Giant” Brown would be alive if he wasn’t walking in the middle of the street, or robbing a store, or assaulting a clerk, or disarming a police officer
Apparently this woman is a bike...
https://youtu.be/HAf0lr3fVeg
So then why don't they reassign every black officer with less than 6 years to those areas.
ive been saying this for years!!!! AMEN SCC..... all these idiot aldermen and the clown mayor that encourage biking should be mandating a rules of the road for bicyclist!! there is a whole section on bikes in the MCC.
heres another one how about they start paying a city registration fee because last time i checked the idiot mayor built hundreds of miles of special bike lanes and not one of them paid any taxes to use them!!
Now compare that to neighborhoods where arrests for possession of stolen bikes are made.
Should a been on the sidewalk if you don’t want to get hit by a car..... oh shit wait
“Lawbreaking” = bike on sidewalk. Please. This is one I gotta agree with, it is bullshit. Used as PC for somthing further, I get it. Pimped for a anov activity is bull
Nothing changes I guess take a look back ar Impact zone 6 and look at who was writting those tickets (Anovs)
No one wants to acknowledge the giant white elephant in the room, that's the problem. If you do you are a racist.
What difference does it make? Are they paying them? What percentage pays the tickets, that’s what needs to be answered. It’s not a burden if they don’t pay . Address that!!
Well just give them what they want. Every day, every shift, one-third of all Officers on duty should work in one of the black, white, or hispanic communities.
When a ticket is written in one community, no more will be issued until someone in each of the other communities is cited.
Murder case, well, some will just have to wait for two more murders to happen.
Oh, and make sure the race of the Officer matches the community he/she is working in, can t allow any racial bias (diversity?) to influence an Officer's decision.
J.J.
Something I figured out as a child - Assclown behavior or conducting myself in a way not fitting with social norms attracts negative attention. My solution for not getting in trouble was simple - reduce my own asshole behavior AND/OR stop acting like an asshole when a cop/teacher/parent/coach was watching me.
It’s worked great!
Having moved from a white neighborhood on the north side to a black neighborhood on the south side, the amount of assclown behavior I’m witnessing has gone up substantially. Don’t cross between cars on the CTA. That sign must have been meant for someone else. Empty pack of cigarettes? Just throw it from the platform - much more fun than using that trash can you’ll be walking past to exit the station anyway. No smoking on the train? They must have just meant cigarettes - weed is fine. Smoke up!
So what?
Well, any of this stuff can win someone a ticket. But I didn’t see this on the white north side. I live it everyday on the black south side.
See what happens when you flood high crime neighborhoods with police they pick on the citizens not following the unfair laws. Big question is how are you able to write bike tickets with the no chase policy in effect. Please don't tell me your chasing down the offending bikes, can't wait for the first big check the city writes to someone run over by the police. Shame on you picking on the underprivileged and misunderstood community residents. It's racist for sure no question about it. No more enforcing bike laws in minority neighborhoods. Just another thing to turn your backs on when on patrol in community. Lets see no traffic stops, no chase stolen cars, no more tazers, no shooting at autos since they are not weapons, and finally definitely no shooting at community members no matter what. Just why are all the resources being wasted in the high crime communities since the police are handcuffed from doing their job. Unless their real job is filling out reports, which seems to be the case these days.
Out of control violence in Murder Capital USA and all the media can do is draw issue with a disproportionate amount of black and brown people getting bicycle citations at someone’s behest. Who digs up these stats?
Could it be either the PrickWanker or KimmJong are contemplating a jump into the Mayoral race?
Another contributing factor worth considering is the deployment of police officers. Districts with high rates of violent crime, which in Chicago are typically black neighborhoods, have the highest concentration of police and are urged to produce activity. Take the 011th District for example. You have 15 beats which rarely experience a "down car" status (unless comp time is used late in the shift), traffic cars, rapid cars, plain clothes cars, 6 teams (4 on tac, 2 on the watch), VRI (at the time these tickers were written), VRE, Saturation, Gang Teams, Narcotics, Gang Investigations, and anyone driving to and from Homan Square. Of course this area, which receives proportionately far more in police service than it contributes in tax dollars, will have more tickets of all kinds than 016 which struggles to man its beat cars.
When you have a copper every block what do they expect? The revs wanted this, the alderthieves expect the same, pull 5the coppers out give the neighborhoods that respect the police and pay the taxes more police! Lets make Chicago safe again, the jungles ghettos will always be the same, you cannot police violent animals who act out! Put the coppers on the west end of 008,022,016 but then again the elected here are worthless like west end of 008 the aldermen burke,quinn sliced up the 23rd ward Zalewski to get more "white votes" burke and quinn both knew they were going to be done soon, but absolute power corrupts absolutely and they do anything to stay in power!
For example Zalewski had a grand plan to redevelop Archer ave business strip, but then came burk-quinn-mafigan crew and everything stopped, the west end of 008 where burke took over looks like shit we get zero services but him and his goofy brother danny are putting up "elect me" signs everywhere pathetic!
You forget all them "free" bikes those communities receive.
Most instances, the bike ticket establishes Probably Cause for the stop which leads to a drug or gun arrest. That is what the media is missing. The complainers are making it seem like the cops are writing tickets to people riding bikes to their friggin jobs.
Gangs use bikes to transport guns and drugs. They also use armed cyclists as security and as shooters. Violations are used as a reason to stop and look for other crimes. Violations are rarely issued as the lone charge.
Like the bullshit false ID that coppers are locking guys up for. That’s a big lawsuit waiting
You mean 016 has cops? I never see any.
Education initiatives? You’re joking right? They know, they just listen or care. Don’t waste money on education.
bicycle rkders dont even use the bike lanes anymore. What a waste of taxpayers money
Went to Dr at Weiss on Fri morning during snow. Got off LSD at Montrose and bike path was clean to the pavement and salted. In the meantime the streets by the hospital including the emergency room were so thick with snow you couldn't turn unless you were going super slow. Priorities.
"...having moved from a white neighborhood on the north side to a black neighborhood on the south side..."
Geez. And people call me dumb.
The stupidity in Chicago is simply astounding.
It’s hard to get a lot of tickets written in the northwest side or southwest side districts when you don’t have any police officers patrolling those areas. When 016 and 022 get the same number of police officers as they have in 007 or 011 then the beefers will get the same number of tickets. Simple mathematics.
How are they going to learn. The BC do not want anyone enforcing laws. The children don't go to school starting as early as 8 years old. They get caught stealing cars, phones, etc.
They go to court and are released. Get caught again released, etc..... Then they are adults and they wind up getting killed in the commission of a violent crime and their family is outraged. Where was the outrage when the kid was not going to school? That's where the problem starts and gets worse from there!
I don’t care what they say. I’ll never stop writing tickets. I refuse to let down my bosses.
-Hairgel Extraordinaire
Parking tickets should be proportionate too then. Quit writing "parkers" in just the neighborhoods where the residents will pay.
Is there ever going to be an end to what these people complain about?
2/12/2018 05:07:00 AM
As the Jeopardy theme plays sweetly in the background, your humble announcer speaks in a low, rhythmic voice:
We now await the complaints about our complaining about their complaining to arrive.........
It's a really stupid municipal code that should be changed. Bicyclists should be allowed to use sidewalk if no one else is using them.
OT from the Trip website:
"A woman was found killed in a Lawndale neighborhood apartment Monday afternoon, authorities said.
Police were called to the home in the 1500 block of South Kolin Avenue just before 11:45 a.m. after someone found the 26-year-old woman unresponsive and call 911..."
Really Trib??
A woman was found killed.....unresponsive and call 911
Good article On de-policing
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/to-swerve-and-neglect-ottawa-cop-turned-researcher-finds-decline-in-proactive-policing
Parking tickets should be proportionate too then. Quit writing "parkers" in just the neighborhoods where the residents will pay.
2/12/2018 06:18:00 PM
Too many residents of the areas that don't pay are employees of the justly despised department of revenue........so don't hold your breath......
Then they are adults and they wind up getting killed in the commission of a violent crime and their family is outraged. Where was the outrage when the kid was not going to school? That's where the problem starts and gets worse from there!
2/12/2018 05:47:00 PM
The outrage of the fake family is only of significance to the pandering politicians. And, of course, whichever legal beaver sees dollar signs swiftly approaching fruition.
With the increase in feral youngsters stepping up their level of ferality, there is ample opportunity and valid cause to adjust that adult getting killed timing to occur prior to the adulthood these feral creatures will never attain.
Even an alley rat knows to expect to be eaten by the cat.
"So the Tribune and assorted aldercreatures aren't going to be happy until the ratio of tickets exactly matches the racial makeup of the city? Seriously? If we sat and thought about it for a week, we couldn't come up with a dumber conclusion than these morons obviously have."
It's not just the city, unfortunately. One of the big stories on WBBM on Friday was about carjackings and auto thefts in Park Forest. They interviewed the police chief, who outlined some of the strategies they were going to put into effect to combat the rising wave of thefts.
More patrols, you might ask? Maybe better technology for catching the thieves?
No.
Their plan is to write tickets to owners of cars left unattended, and if the car is running, to take the keys out of the car and leave them at the police station.
Leaving aside the stupidity of walking away from a running vehicle for a minute, think about this: their plan to combat skyrocketing carjackings is not to stop the thefts or catch the felons, but to ticket and hassle the innocent potential victims.
That right there is the mindset that's taking over the populated areas of our country.
Like the bullshit false ID that coppers are locking guys up for. That’s a big lawsuit waiting
2/12/2018 02:02:00 PM
A nitwit, once again, is gifted with being tolerantly posted here.
The end of this implied path, accepting the means by which the miscreants avoid arrest, is far more brutal than this cupcake poster either sees or is blind to.
You don't stop the miscreants from running free on the range, you have to expect and know they will be stopped in a far more permanent manner.
Without the slightest fear of being sued.
The same community that demands more police protection and gets it,then complains there are more stops,tickets,arrests. Are they expecting the the police to stand around with their hands in their pockets doing nothing? Ridiculous
"So the Tribune and assorted aldercreatures aren't going to be happy until the ratio of tickets exactly matches the racial makeup of the city? Seriously? If we sat and thought about it for a week, we couldn't come up with a dumber conclusion than these morons obviously have."
It's not just the city, unfortunately. One of the big stories on WBBM on Friday was about carjackings and auto thefts in Park Forest. They interviewed the police chief, who outlined some of the strategies they were going to put into effect to combat the rising wave of thefts.
More patrols, you might ask? Maybe better technology for catching the thieves?
No.
Their plan is to write tickets to owners of cars left unattended, and if the car is running, to take the keys out of the car and leave them at the police station.
Leaving aside the stupidity of walking away from a running vehicle for a minute, think about this: their plan to combat skyrocketing carjackings is not to stop the thefts or catch the felons, but to ticket and hassle the innocent potential victims.
That right there is the mindset that's taking over the populated areas of our country.
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The owners' of cars left running are not innocent victims. Tort liability follows and it is a crime too. See Ney v. Yellow Cab Co., 2 Ill. 2d 74, 117 N.E.2d 74, 1954 Ill. LEXIS 307, 51 A.L.R.2d 624 (Ill. 1954). The owner of car left with the keys in it does not break the connection between the owners' (or users) actions and the injury. Also, do not leave the keys in the squad car on foot chases or other emergencies. Often in law, liability is imposed on the person who it is most effective or efficient to regulate, in other words, who will or should bear the cost of regulation. This is the car owner, the police, the guy with insurance. Car jacking is still a property crime according to which ex-CPD boss?
Signed,
Still don't chase
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Like the bullshit false ID that coppers are locking guys up for. That’s a big lawsuit waiting
2/12/2018 02:02:00 PM
You mean the ones that are so easy to get on 26th near Kedzie?
Back in the fall of 2017 after I arrived home I took a ride on my bike in the west end of 008.
I had lights on the front and back of the bike, as well as reflective clothing. As I was riding down a residential street with the flow of traffic , and on the right side of the road. I was cutoff by and unmarked with 2 Millennials in the car, who then asked me for ID. I looked at them and asked them, Excuse me officer, but what was I doing wrong? One of them told me It was late out and I looked suspicious. I laughed out loud and said, Ok I will show you my ID. I showed them my ID and Star. I then told both, next time you cut me off like this, I might not be able to stop and might roll right over your squads hood and need medical attention. I told them to have a nice night and by the way kids, there is a camera mounted on the front of my bike. I then continued my ride and when they call me for an upgrade, make it a misdemeanor kid.
Open your eyes and watch how they cross the street. Not only in Chicago, but every place I've seen them. No mystery here. There is of course a question of causation. There is more than one theory out there.
I can’t seem to wrap my mind around this one. I’ve worked on the south and west side my whole career. I’d say compared to every other community the majority of the people are peaceful, non-confrontational, law-abiding, hard working, honest and caring people. Compared to north side neighborhoods, where people are just doing whatever they want, I don’t know how my cohorts could even find a soul to ticket or arrest in the south or west side. Those north-side neighborhoods though...man, just out of control. They turn this city into a war zone
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Like the bullshit false ID that coppers are locking guys up for. That’s a big lawsuit waiting
2/12/2018 02:02:00 PM
wait what about the city id that rahm is giving out,using the clerk Anna for illegal aliens, personally I will be getting 1 and can make up a name and designate a sex, in case you get locked up this sex thing could "git me sum!"
Those north-side neighborhoods though...man, just out of control. They turn this city into a war zone
2/13/2018 12:58:00 PM
Okay, so you live in Milwaukee, ya know, that city in the state of Wisconsin, where the King of Beers harkons from.......
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