Clearance Rate - Low
- Even as the Chicago Police Department touts technology-fueled successes in reducing the number of shootings in the city, detectives are struggling to solve killings, with their murder “clearance” rate falling to a level not seen since at least 1990.
In 2017, the police solved 114 of the 650 murders that occurred in that same year — just 17.5 percent, according to a Chicago Sun-Times analysis of police data.
That appears to be the worst clearance rate in recent Chicago history for solving same-year killings.
The clearance rate was above 60 percent in the early 1990s.
In 2000, detectives were solving 41 percent of same-year murders.
By 2009, the same-year solve rate for murder had fallen to 30 percent amid an outcry from the police that a “no-snitch” code of silence among witnesses, and even victims, was making it difficult to make a murder arrest.
Since 2010, that figure has remained below 30 percent, falling to 19 percent in 2016 before falling even further last year.
And of those that are "solved," many aren't getting prosecuted. But that's not CPD's fault.
Labels: crime, department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
180 Comments:
The “I dint see nuffin” witnesses don’t help.
Aren’t there a ton of lawsuits ongoing about all those 80s and 90s “clearances”. It’s funny that once ERI came along those perfect statements and admissions stopped. There was a reason the clearances were at 40-60 percent folks...
Your go detectives
Not to beat up the deceives who are doing what they can, but let's not forget that the department hides a few murders per year at each area by classifying them as death investigations.
I suspect that a low murder clearance rate also equals a large reduction in lawsuits filed
Sorry CPD, but what percentage of those cleared homicides were domestic related? Many of the “convicted murderers” have been released, after serving years due to wrongful convictions. The clearance rate was up until ERI became mandatory. Things are done a little differently these days.
Bottom line criminals have better odds than the house has in Los Vegas with getting away with Murder! And they are getting away! The system is broken.
Aren’t we budgeted for 200 detectives? Why haven’t they been made??
The clearance rate was 60% in the 1990’s but 60% of the convictions from the 1990’s have been overturned.
Why would the department make more Detectives if they are clearly not solving crime ?
The bottom line is that they need more Detectives!!!!! Out of 10,000 Patrolman, there are only 986 Detectives!!! That's less than 10% of the patrol staff. They should maintain 20% Detective ratio to Patrol!!!!! This would give these guys more time to actually work a case and not just complete a progress report kick the can down the road because more cases are coming in daily!!!!!
Just think how much a shoplifting case cost the city to prosecute.
Throw in the worthless juvenile system of points system the COOK COUNTY whoever made up!
Throw in the Department need to ibond everyone out of lock up as soon as the rap sheet pops up.
No probable cause hearing that seem to exist on an alien planet.
My favorite is the no holding witnesses at all for even murderwhen nobody know if they were involved.
Don't sweat it it is only goin to be worse with all the cameras and the half ass reports A FELONY for even a carjacking will be rare.
Melissa Staples is the absolute worst Chief of detectives in CPD history!
We tell reporters at scenes what the real issues are but they fail to report it. ie,, zero witness cooperation, search warrants for information that detectives are entiltled to sunce they are acting for the deceased.. and the fact that a “solved” case does not mean someone gets arrested.
You would have a better chance of clearing
a serial killer because of the trails and patterns.
Right now you are dealing with asymmetric,
random murders. That's something the
university computer geeks can't help you with.
Don't fall for their academic bullshit.
Bad victims/witnesses and general distrust to downright hatred of the police not only in the communities where the majority of these murders are happening but also the perpetually laughable cook county criminal "justice" system itself/fuck the police for doing their jobs environment; it's reassuring that the department committed 100 additional detectives last year and 100 more for 2018 in order to combat the homicide clearance rate along with what was it 1000 police officers?
Oh...wait, sorry I forgot for a second the department made the equivalent of exactly zero promotions over 2016's full strength numbers due to being horribly undermanned in the first place and not regularly promoting to keep up with retirements. All those 2017 promotions and we are over 200 short of the 200 promised.
Same problem with patrol and hiring new POs for years, institutional knowledge is lost forever and we get nothing but know nothing never been the police newbies with 5 years on the job maybe teaching PPOs the miniscule amount of on the job knowledge they learned from other newbies. I'm sure the nearly 700 ppos in the academy will be learning from none other but the best, brightest and most seasoned officers with decades of experience instead of guys that just got off status themselves.
Without continuous hiring and training by those qualified to train this situation will never come close to resolving to national clearance levels.
Now I'm sure there is a snowballs chance in hell without a serious shift in public perception where we as a society allow the police to be the police that a simple increase in staffing will miraculously solve the problem anyway but for fucks sake, you get what you pay for. Which just like the city's pension contributions, as of right now, is next to nothing.
You’d think maybe they’d make a few more detectives? I’m hearing nothing in the works tho.
Maybe the pressure will convince these schmoes to make a class of Det’s soon.
Promote more detectives!
Gosh golly.... what can be done to change this ?
Or
Who cares ?
I don't see the issue here.
Those 17.5% of murders solved obviously involved victims worthy of the hard work put forth by the investigating detectives and everyone else involved.
Seriously, why waste the time and effort trying to help those that thumb their collective nose at law and order? As for those that claim they're "too scared" to cooperate? Those that live by a criminal code? Well then fuck them too. If the murder of a loved one doesn't motivate you to put aside the fear of retaliation then you're pretty much a lost cause. Either cooperate with police, solve your own problems or forever live as a coward.
Back to the majority of those killed: they are almost exclusively gang banging pieces of shit, involved with narcotics in some aspect and/or career criminals. They contribute nothing meaningful to society, yet voraciously consume assets via entitlements and social programs courtesy of taxpayers. Society is better off without them, and only fools believe that these assholes can be reformed by throwing even more money at them.
Multi-generational cradle-to-grave gubmint subsidized existence, coupled with lack of consequences when refusing to subscribe to normal, polite, lawful society is the reason the ghetto is a self cleaning oven.
Give these bastards that which they so badly desire - the Hands Off Police.
Look
Laugh
Leave
What's is the rate of conviction? Convictions is what's matters. Let's take a look at cops getting arrested vs assholes getting arrested-- and compare conviction rates. My money is that don't be a cop and get arrested🥊🥊🥊🥊your done son
Hire more detectives.
Good I love it how the Clarence rate is low.. stay fetal don’t do anything and that include solving crimes!!
That's a shame. Anyways maybe patrolman and detectives should be on the same pay rate
Getting away with murder in Chicago. Da Gimm Reaper say...."Chicago is my kinda town".
I wonder how long Staples can hold on before Johnson is forced to send her packing. She doesn't seem able to motivate the detectives to do much of anything.
Nobody saw nothing.
Nobody heard nothing.
But in the 1990s was this the same time period that we are now discovering that
Plenty of detectives were playing fast and loose with murder cases?
You must recall all these convicts that are being released from prison?
With dismissal of charges and law suits being filed against the detectives and city for wrongful arrest????
Snitches are bitches who get stitches.
POTUS Hussein taught the “community” to hate the police.
‘Nuff said.
Maybe it's just a coincidence, but the City started making merit detectives in 1998.
2/11/2018 12:37:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Melissa Staples is the absolute worst Chief of detectives in CPD history.
I’m glad someone said it. She’s nice though. A personnel change would be rewarding. She should be a Lt. in CAPS.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Promote more detectives!
Shut up and focus on being better at your current assignment. You’re failing misably at that, so just shut up.
Blogger I Fart In Your General Direction said...
I don't see the issue here.
Those 17.5% of murders solved obviously involved victims worthy of the hard work put forth by the investigating detectives and everyone else involved.
Seriously, why waste the time and effort trying to help those that thumb their collective nose at law and order? As for those that claim they're "too scared" to cooperate? Those that live by a criminal code? Well then fuck them too. If the murder of a loved one doesn't motivate you to put aside the fear of retaliation then you're pretty much a lost cause. Either cooperate with police, solve your own problems or forever live as a coward.
Back to the majority of those killed: they are almost exclusively gang banging pieces of shit, involved with narcotics in some aspect and/or career criminals. They contribute nothing meaningful to society, yet voraciously consume assets via entitlements and social programs courtesy of taxpayers. Society is better off without them, and only fools believe that these assholes can be reformed by throwing even more money at them.
Multi-generational cradle-to-grave gubmint subsidized existence, coupled with lack of consequences when refusing to subscribe to normal, polite, lawful society is the reason the ghetto is a self cleaning oven.
Give these bastards that which they so badly desire - the Hands Off Police.
Look
Laugh
Leave
Because it’s your job asshat. I bet you’re one of those one GPR and a one Supp idiots. I hope your boss sees that this is the mentality of D-Unit when it comes to certain communities. I hope he or she remembers this comment when they are getting their ass chewed out at meetings.
Anybody know how the clearance rate varies by the race of the victim?
Are certain Demographics more cooperative? Are there more murders solved if the victims and their family and friends are more cooperative? Or have everyone decide no snitching is the way to go?
Could be worse. People in Michigan are driving into Detroit to dump bodies, since they are delayed discovery and Detroit has a miserable clearance rate of 30%.
Put detectives back on street where they might do some good. Fore chief detectives has been doing a lousy job for last couple of years. Way past for another merit hack to take her place.
Hire more detectives you got be kidding. Why waste the money those we have are clueless what makes you think more is the answer. Accountability is the answer fire the unproductive ones not hire more. Hiring more just means more merit tools in division who needs that. It all starts with the top leadership or lack thereof. Put new leasers in place and hold everyone accountable for keeping their job that's how you get results. No merit promotions to detectives or things will never change also no more merit promotions to detective division.
Who gets made detective is the problem. Back in the 70's the detective test was the most honest test in the department Anyone could be a supervisor but you had to have the best to solve crimes. Back then you had your test graded before you left and had your score. No one could mess with it. That was it. No bs interview. Today a different story. Don't care about solving crimes just making the favorites no matter how dumb they are.
Does that 17% include the gimmies (police shootings ect) if so actual clearance numbers would be 15% or less. Great job dicks.
To frat in your direction post. Right on you hit the nail on the head.
To those that want more detectives do you want more merit promotions or more test cheaters? Both will not improve results. More of the same is not better just more wasted time effort and most importantly cash.
Would everyone quit making excuses for the poor performance. Few cases last year and so far this year than16 and worse numbers. Same leaders in place and absolutely zero accountability. Mist be the sanctuary on murders mentality at play. Better than 80% chance of getting away with murder in Chicago, good job guys and gals bet your all very proud. The victims and their loved one thank you.
Just what dismal level of job performance gets someone replaced in the CPD? Past tome for some hard decisions in Detective leadership positions. Must be some strong clot being applied for the same tools to keep their job.
"Your go detectives"
-There is a reason you are still on a neat car.
-Patrolman aren't doing anything proactive either, that doesn't help.
"That's a shame. Anyways maybe patrolman and detectives should be on the same pay rate."
-There are many of us that earn our salaries, just as there are many patrolman that do. Pass the test or go back to sleep.
Aren’t we budgeted for 200 detectives? Why haven’t they been made??
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Yeah because 200 brand new “investigators” will really help right?? Go to any area today and ask how the newest batch of dics have been working out. It’s either kids with 3-5 years on wtih zero experience or guys who are taking the spot because they are desperately trying to get off patrol like everyone else. The problem is the old timers with real knowledge are retiring in droves. It’s over promoted snowflakes who think they earned something with their 3-5 years on who walk around the area with their chests puffed out, copying whatever they see on tv. They think because their in the D their immune to today’s total anti-police climate. When in fact they are way more susceptible to being jammed up. The smart ones in the area know this to be the reality of the situation and are only doing the bare minimum, also like everyone else. Self preservation mode + facebook generation cops = 12% clearance rate.
By now most of the true dectectives have already gone on to retirement. What you see now are the 5 year book smart street stupid, merit never were the real police, and cheaters who knew what was going to be on the test. How do you expect them clear anything. The department reaps what it's sown.
Of course the clearance rate is low. It’s the Chicago Police Department!! That means it’s a fake, clout obsessed, politically controlled from every angle police dept. The clearance rate in the 80’s and 90’s was because of bull shit confessions. Why do you think their all being let out of prison now because of new physical evidence?? It’s so sad. The CPD is by far the most unprofessional, poorly trained dept in the country. For heavens sake you used to need a phone call just to get on the job!!! Now their LOWERING the hiring standards even more for sick and obvious reasons. Morale has been non existent for a couple years and isn’t coming back anytime soon. It’s only gonna get worse from here.
Hire more detectives.
For what? So they can dress up in crappie cargo pants, cheap jackets and Forever 21 pant suits. It does give you time to play around, you know what I mean guys,gals. I know a few of those. Hiring more makes no sense if the ones already in place have a clearance rate so low. Oh, and remember ladies just because you fit in Forever 21 clothes doesn't mean you LOOK 21.
Now go out there and prove we need more.
The reporter failed to include two key pieces of information in this article. Cleared by Arrest -not just some sort of "clearance" and then ask Kimmy for the murder conviction rate. As a side note this topic -low clearance- has been mentioned here before and the news media just finally picked it up?
Who cares 1st and 16 th Fuck this city
A beat car could done better !
Most of the time we know who committed the murder. Witnesses don't cooperate and the State jerk us around. A/3
I hope that the people commenting so far are not detectives because many of you don't have a clue.
60% of convictions being overturned ? If you ever are fortunate enough to make detective I hope that
there are still some people with some experience and knowledge around to help you out.
Who ever is careless with the truth in small matters can not be trusted in important matters
CPD obviously doesn’t care about clearance rates . First they closed Area 5 (Northwest side) and Area 4 (Westside) moving Detectives literally miles away from their victims and offenders. Second they have allowed the number of Detectives to dwindle to very low numbers. Third they haven’t put any money into forensics. Not to beat up the ET’s or Forensic Investigators but this unit is way overworked and has shit equipment and training. Not to mention it’s poorly supervised. How about spending g some money on a mobile Audio Visual Recovery Unit? There is video everywhere. If the actual incident isn’t captured on video the offender’s and witnesses flight from the scene may be. How about two or three vehicle equipped with video recovery devices manned by officers that actually know how to use the equipment to work scenes??? Instead you haves Detectives going door to door hoping to recover import and video sometimes onto flash drives purchased by themselves. It’s a joke. CPD’s a joke. All supervisors and exempts care about is taking care or family and friends with good positions and promotions.
And to the idiot who posted above the PO’s and Detectives should be paid the same GFY and grow up.
Det. Get all the OT they want and we are at 17% cut the OT
Good reason to deccrease the number of officers or at least reduce salaries or let us privatize law enforcement and clearance will go up
+++++ ...detectives are struggling to solve killings, with their murder “clearance” rate falling to a level not seen since at least 1990. ... +++++
HUH?!? Not seen >since< 1990??? WTF are they talking about? In 1990 the Homicide Clearance Rate was 71.7%. There were 851 Homicides and 610 were Cleared. That's not too shabby. Though by the standard of the sixties, it kind of sucks as 90%+ of Homicides used to be cleared.
>>>>> In 2017, the police solved 114 of the 650 murders that occurred in that same year — just 17.5 percent... That appears to be the worst clearance rate in recent Chicago history for solving same-year killings. <<<<<<
Okay..... are the Sun-Times 'reporters' all on Crack, or are they trying to Bullshit everybody! It's not the worst in 'Recent History', you butt-kissing assholes, but in the ENTIRE History of the modern Chicago Police Dept. (Ballistics, Fingerprints, etc)
ps: Before McJersey purged the CPD Website of historical Crime Stats , I went and copied ALL the Homicide Data that was available, going back to 1965.
pps: 1965 was the High Point in Clearance Rates and has steadily declined since then. It seems funny how that's happened, that is until you think back of what was going on (Legislation getting passed) in Congress in '64 & '65 and what type of rulings were coming down from the Supreme Court, and what the ACLU was up to!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You’d think maybe they’d make a few more detectives? I’m hearing nothing in the works tho.
2/11/2018 01:17:00 AM
Why do you think that promoting more detectives would raise the clearance rate. That would not do a thing to help the solve rate! It is naive to think that more cops or more detectives would make a difference. Many cities have far fewer cops than Chicago and have a much higher solve rate. It has nothing to do with manpower, it has to do with the culture of those witnessing the murders and those actually being murdered.
Detective class postponed to September. Smaller class of 60-75 only. Priority for Sgt class of 30 and Lt class of 40-45 in April. This may be the last Sgt class from the list. Over 400 Sgts promoted off of the current list. Area West discussions ongoing but won’t open until late 2019 or 2020 if it is approved. Expect Sgt exam announcement in early 2019. The budgeted positions for Detective (200) will also be the last from that list. The department is pushing for CALEA Certification which requires promotional exams every 5-6 years. -Some projections being discussed at 35th
I have a sense that many of the merit detective don't have a clue what they are doing, they couldn't find their ass with both hands. This is just my opinion but they like the title and the money but don't like the work, lets face it the brightest and the smartest are not being given merit promotion just the chosen few who have clout and may be dumber than a box of rocks. Should go back in time when you needed 5 years on the job before you could take a test now we are so hard up anybody can take it with little street smart and no experience
Here's our chance to catch up!
https://www.theonion.com/snowstorm-in-chicago-delays-hundreds-of-morning-murders-1819574592
There sure are a lot of criminals out there. We're not at Sodom and Gomorrah levels yet but inching there. Thankfully our mayor knows the score and is silently moving the miscreants out to the surrounding areas. Good for us but bad for them.
Keep depleting forensic services!
stop with the "promote more Dets" we have plenty
stop with the 48 hr rule, stop with recording every interrogation, stop with hyper scrutinizing every stop
we were just talking about this in court - we had an arrest of one female on the scene, read her her Miranda warnings and talked to her right there. SHe was young, naive and she gave up the other 2 robbers that were waiting for her her were subsequently arrested.
Now we couldn't do that. We'd have to #1 get a transport, #2 turn on the camera, and finally #3 talk to her.
So hows that?
Not LE, but it's understandable how frustrating it can be for detective's to work with a uncooperative public that hates them and doesn't trust them. Add the fact that no one in "the community" sees or hears anything, common sense says that their loved ones murderer will not be found is no surprise. Also, true emotion can be seen on a grieving persons face. All the falling down on the ground, anger and yelling about the police that the MSM shows is not true emotional grieving that is displayed.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The “I dint see nuffin” witnesses don’t help.
Nothing new. Been like that since the CPD was started. Don’t think this is something that just started
Get rid of Staples and put someone with leadership skills at the helm. He should still be taking breakfast orders in Indiana. The sad reality is that no commander in any Detective area has the skill set to do the job. Cesario is a mush. Could not tell you who fella in south is. Say what you want about Denihan, he's no good and has the personality of a pencil. They bounced out the only guy with smarts because that scared the hierarchy. Hopefully Riccio will wear two hats and get some respect back to the Detective Division.
Hey,
How about some coverage of the two cops
killed outside Columbus, OH, in the bedroom
community of Westerville?
(just asking)
Look, Laugh, Leave. That is probably the funniest thing I have ever read on this blog
As i have argued for years...one killing is a kind of clearance for another and then another and then another, leaving officers nothing to clear.
Syreet justice is real whether politicians want to admit it or not.
The more corrupt the legal system gets, the more street justice will takes its place, and rightly so, I would argue.
This reality is that this is going to have to be faced eventually because it will only grow and spread so long as LAW is made CASE by CASE rather than made in the legislature and exacted by robed ones via juries' due authoritu.
To the 10% ratio poster...
10 % is actually correct, its just backward.
10% should be on patrol, with 30% serving warrants and 60 % being detectives.
House Mouses shouldnt be police, instead just being cubicle office staff...which is what they are anyways.
This is ALL possible via any Mayor with the stones to make law enforcement about real crime mitigation rather than today's revenue stream provider.
That's it on retiring early now dim this!
By the way the cases that are cleared are homicide offenders the have become homicide victims. How is liberalism working for ya!
Bring back the crime lab and put all evidence technicians on the street. There's probably 30 hiding behind desk jobs!!!!!!!!!
"...amid an outcry from the police that a “no-snitch” code of silence among witnesses, and even victims, was making it difficult to make a murder arrest."
It's always been difficult to make a murder arrest when the VICTIM abides the NO-SNITCH CODE.OF SILENCE. 🙊
Some old time Dets knew how to make the murder victim talk. 😇
Hire more detectives 🤭😝. Yeah, but the game is rigged. Only taped confessions. Weak ass SA office handicapped by “ political correctness “. A culture of live by the sword/gun. Hattfield vs McCoys gang war fare mentality. No trust of the police complete paranoid bullshit. This is what the community wanted. No interference in their lawless lifestyles. Lucky anything gets solved.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Bad victims/witnesses and general distrust to downright hatred of the police not only in the communities where the majority of these murders are happening but also the perpetually laughable cook county criminal "justice" system itself/fuck the police for doing their jobs environment; it's reassuring that the department committed 100 additional detectives last year and 100 more for 2018 in order to combat the homicide clearance rate along with what was it 1000 police officers?
Oh...wait, sorry I forgot for a second the department made the equivalent of exactly zero promotions over 2016's full strength numbers due to being horribly undermanned in the first place and not regularly promoting to keep up with retirements. All those 2017 promotions and we are over 200 short of the 200 promised.
Same problem with patrol and hiring new POs for years, institutional knowledge is lost forever and we get nothing but know nothing never been the police newbies with 5 years on the job maybe teaching PPOs the miniscule amount of on the job knowledge they learned from other newbies. I'm sure the nearly 700 ppos in the academy will be learning from none other but the best, brightest and most seasoned officers with decades of experience instead of guys that just got off status themselves.
Without continuous hiring and training by those qualified to train this situation will never come close to resolving to national clearance levels.
Now I'm sure there is a snowballs chance in hell without a serious shift in public perception where we as a society allow the police to be the police that a simple increase in staffing will miraculously solve the problem anyway but for fucks sake, you get what you pay for. Which just like the city's pension contributions, as of right now, is next to nothing.
2/11/2018 01:05:00 AM
Well-said.
See the news about Baltimore?
Random police polygraphs to root out corruption...and wait for it....a special OVERTIME ABUSE UNIT.
Gee, ya think they new Commish is looking at SCC?
Hmm.....could beeee.
What's the problem? Isn't this what everyone wanted? A liberal democrat controlled sanctuary city with life, liberty, and no prosecutions for criminals and illegal aliens.
J.J.
Anonymous says """That's a shame. Anyways maybe patrolman and detectives should be on the same pay rate"
For one, your badge says police officer. Hasn't been patrolman for a few years now snowflake
And why stop there? Let's make E.T.s and canine and who ever makes more that a D-1 the same.
Detectives did not make the city pay the D-2a and we are not about to say no. Just like you won't say no to your next pay raise.
How did this happen; Clear Closed - the aged anemic loon Marilyn Hartman, Serial Airport Trespasser...is still locked up?
Rahm’s Feral Youth running free range all over the city, PrickWanker and KimJong ping-ponging over how to find the unchallenged DilDarts representative replacement.
Small victory has to come in the Primary election March 20, 2018.
We have to make sure to oust and eliminate The PrickWanker from Cook County.
Keep this in mind -
There are No Republican candidates for key Cook Co office (president, clerk, sheriff, treasurer, assessor).
A Dem ballot is the only way to rid PrickWanker - even if it means Flakey Fioretti.
The Chicago GOP will have to rely on downstate to carry States Atty and Governor.
As far as clearance OT goes, really doesn’t make a difference so long as we’re not paid by the clearance.
We all know the Cook Co outcome and the eventual COPA Conspiracy Consequence.
This is a Rahm Emanuel problem that he won’t address.
I’d be concerned over how the next Right Person for the Right Time™️ will decimate the ranks within The Bureau.
What good will hiring more detectives do then members of "the community" don't offer any cooperation? If you allow dysfuntional criminal behavior to go unpunished, you get the community that you deserve. Society needs to just move beyond these third world bottom feeders and let them stew in the muck they help to create. Enough already.
Why is everyone complaining? As stated, if the community doesn't want the murder of a narcotic peddling, gang banging, urban terrorist to be solved, so be it. It saves money in costs and potential lawsuits. The murders of innocents coupled with individuals who are cooperating with the investigation should be the focus. The mean streets usually mimic a self-cleaning oven anyway if left alone.
To bad the new system that Dart the Fart and Kimmy are pushing can't be used in Homicide arrests. You know, the offender having a sit down with the victim. Where the offender is feeling so guilty he/she will stop at being criminals. Maybe, tommy and kimmy can get a ventriloquist to make it look like the corpse is talking to the offender to make the murder fell guilty.
>>>That's a shame. Anyways maybe patrolman and detectives should be on the same pay rate<<<
Yeah right...Jughead!!!
We all know the teal reason folks, let the liberals do a little more and it will be 0 clearance rate, unless they admit doing it.
“Why would the department make more Detectives if they are clearly not solving crime ?”
With that idiotic statement...First of all maybe you should learn what we do and how we do it before you spout off with your nonsense, better yet when they make promotions and if you’re on the list you should turn it down and stay where you’re at.
>>> I don't see the issue here.
Those 17.5% of murders solved obviously involved victims worthy of the hard work put forth by the investigating detectives and everyone else involved.
Seriously, why waste the time and effort trying to help those that thumb their collective nose at law and order? As for those that claim they're "too scared" to cooperate? Those that live by a criminal code? Well then fuck them too. If the murder of a loved one doesn't motivate you to put aside the fear of retaliation then you're pretty much a lost cause. Either cooperate with police, solve your own problems or forever live as a coward.
Back to the majority of those killed: they are almost exclusively gang banging pieces of shit, involved with narcotics in some aspect and/or career criminals. They contribute nothing meaningful to society, yet voraciously consume assets via entitlements and social programs courtesy of taxpayers. Society is better off without them, and only fools believe that these assholes can be reformed by throwing even more money at them.
Multi-generational cradle-to-grave gubmint subsidized existence, coupled with lack of consequences when refusing to subscribe to normal, polite, lawful society is the reason the ghetto is a self cleaning oven.
Give these bastards that which they so badly desire - the Hands Off Police.<<<
Well said...SIR!!!!
More merit! More merit! That will solve everything.
Yeah, maybe not
Melissa Staples is the absolute worst Chief of detectives in CPD history!
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Actually she is not. She has made good progress and is fixing years of hiding homicides etc. all in all she is doing as good as she can with what she has. We need more detectives. Like 400-1000 More. We have a list out. Let’s use it.
The Drudge report has a story about Baltimore and how the police dept is now going to give RANDOM POLYGRAPH tests to assure integrity! Also they are starting an overtime abuse unit . Chicago won't be far behind . Why can't our cook county politicians have body cams and polygraph ???
ERI was the torpedo that sunk the clearance rates.
I don’t think the clearance rate matches the Det divisions high overtime rate.
Maybe when Rahm and FatHeadEd get the “look” they want for the department, the one “the community” is clamoring for, well then the clearances will start to increase. Yeah right.
Rahm and Ed are sending this once proud department to Hell in a hand basket.
maybe its the leadership in the "d" unit from the top down... biggest scam going with overtime... big joke....
That's a shame. Anyways maybe patrolman and detectives should be on the same pay rate.
I love coppers with small minds. Why don’t you just shoot you self in the foot idiot. If and when you get promoted are you going to give your raise back? There is a lot of forces working against the clearance rates but you’re smarter then everyone else I’m sure.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That's a shame. Anyways maybe patrolman and detectives should be on the same pay rate
2/11/2018 04:08:00 AM
Maybe patrolmen should take a pay cut since you can’t seem to stop murders or sweet talk a witness to remain at the scene to be interviewed
Who cares if the clearance rate is low. Majority of victims are not worth the cost associated in solving the murder. Rate needs to get down to zero, so asshole gets confidence and kills many more, knowing he will get away with it.
The department can’t seem to understand the inverse relationship between the amount of paperwork and reports detectives now have to do and the clearance rate.
Sgt: hey detective, u need to do a supp on that murder.
Det: sarge, there are no new leads.
Sgt: well contact the family to see if they know who the killer is
Det: sarge, don’t u think the family would call us if they wanted to give us that info ?
Sgt: we need to pretend we are doing something, so drop a pointless report ok
While not pretty or PC, The Gospel according to IFIYGD hits on all cylinders:
Multi-generational cradle-to-grave gubmint subsidized existence, coupled with lack of consequences when refusing to subscribe to normal, polite, lawful society is the reason the ghetto is a self cleaning oven.
Back to the majority of those killed: they are almost exclusively gang banging pieces of shit, involved with narcotics in some aspect and/or career criminals. They contribute nothing meaningful to society, yet voraciously consume assets via entitlements and social programs courtesy of taxpayers. Society is better off without them, and only fools believe that these assholes can be reformed by throwing even more money at them.
Multi-generational cradle-to-grave gubmint subsidized existence, coupled with lack of consequences when refusing to subscribe to normal, polite, lawful society is the reason the ghetto is a self cleaning oven.
Give these bastards that which they so badly desire - the Hands Off Police.
Thank you for writing this beautiful statement, these murders should immediately filed in the incinerator, under the classificaton: Zero f*cks given...
OT. Heard 1st deputy had a heart attack. Anyone? They are trying to keep it quite
The departent needs more merit hack Lieutenants like one "N" formerly of Area North he knew how to "fix" the homicide clearance rate for his drinking pal McIwanttoplaymayor...
Bring back the crime lab and put all evidence technicians on the street. There's probably 30 hiding behind desk jobs!!!!!!!!!
Don’t forget tubby HK the fi who never goes out in the street but yet makes 100 grand in overtime. God dam does this dept suck
Don't hire anymore just have the ones that are making coffee and copies asigned to the desk back on the street to handle jobs some of them have less than 10 years on the fucking street.
There have not been over 400 Sgt’s. made from the current list. Wrong information.
In the 1990’s an order of White Castles chicken rings, a pack of Newport’s 100s, no telephone calls or bathroom breaks and 3 day kidnapping would get anyone to confess.
Maybe patrolmen should take a pay cut since the murders are happening on their beats. Patrol your beat and learn who the players are.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Detective class postponed to September. Smaller class of 60-75 only. Priority for Sgt class of 30 and Lt class of 40-45 in April. This may be the last Sgt class from the list. Over 400 Sgts promoted off of the current list. Area West discussions ongoing but won’t open until late 2019 or 2020 if it is approved. Expect Sgt exam announcement in early 2019. The budgeted positions for Detective (200) will also be the last from that list. The department is pushing for CALEA Certification which requires promotional exams every 5-6 years. -Some projections being discussed at 35th
2/11/2018 09:35:00 AM
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Yawwnnnn. Even if they announced a Sgt test today they would still have to make 100-150+ sgts by the time the first class of the new future test came out. Remember. From date of announcement until the first class comes out can be easily a year or more process. So if you claim thy will be announcing a test in early 2019 which means at minimum a new list in early 2020 if not later. So you seem to think that they will make one class of 30 to hold us off until 2020 then you sir are a moron. But don’t worry.. with the majority of know it all bitter mopes on this job you fit right in. I’m sure u are the guy at roll call spreading all your knowledge every day.
2/11/2018 01:07:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Melissa Staples is the absolute worst Chief of detectives in CPD history!
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To: Actually she is not. She has made good progress and is fixing years of hiding homicides etc. all in all she is doing as good as she can with what she has. We need more detectives. Like 400-1000 More. We have a list out. Let’s use it.
Melissa please.
At least your being paid for every hour you are working. Average CPD detective is knocking down 115K+ per year. You have no perspective about the level of commitment that it takes in private sector to earn that much. 60-70 hour weeks plus a ton of overnight travel away from family and friends to start with. Add in completive pressures and unrealistic deadlines that must be met to keep your job. No union to protect your bad performance or fetal postures. Be thankful for your gig, bad performance ignored or excused and paid OT. So STFU.
Rham is upset over carjacking?????
What it boils down to is this has been this way for past 30 years.
And the State county and city wanted it this way.
Guess they are getting worried about the upcoming elections?
2/11/2018 11:45:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
See the news about Baltimore?
Random police polygraphs to root out corruption...and wait for it....a special OVERTIME ABUSE UNIT.
Gee, ya think they new Commish is looking at SCC?
Hmm.....could beeee.
Wouldn’t be hard to find in the CPD if they wanted to. Inside people, unit administrative sgt, etc doubling their salary and no one can explain it and more importantly nobody wants it explained
A handful of dicks do all the work. The rest disappear for their tour or play on the computer all day. That's a fact in Area North!
Staples should not have an important role. Eddie prides himself on why he chose her to be the Chief of Detectives. According to him, he chose her because they worked together years ago. Isn’t that stupid?
Know what? The D fell apart in the 80's when they started the Summary Detectives. They Only left office for both lunches, "liquid" and food. Older guys ready to retire and new young dicks who had no concept of the street or what being a Policeman entailed. More jobs went to Summary dicks and less to the street dicks. More Unfounded and Reclassifieds. Everybody became lazy. Handled everything by phone. VC dicks stopped going to autopsies and interacting with the MEs office. Relied on the 2 A/4 Morgue guys. Good guys but if it was your Homicide you should own it and go to the Autopsy yourself. Then, as always, there were always a couple of clowns in the Area who would resort to any means to clear a case. Lots of Multiple Clear ups. Lots of bad guys died with a list of RD#s in their pants. Yeah right! But most Unit COs demanded them. Not talking about Jon Burge. To me he is the Real American hero. As a Patrol Supervisor on the scene of a Homicide I would call for the Wagon and load all the witnesses in it and transport to the Area. No questions asked. A lot of "Er Uhs" but they went.Dicks loved it. Knew Staples when she was new. Great attitude but she is where she is now because of clout. Not her fault that clearance is low. Political climate and no one wants to take that extra step. Sorry for the rant but it just seems to me that most commenters have no idea what a Detective is supposed to do. Their hands are tied. Every one just wants to get to retirement. Stay safe and be smart. Retired Detective, Detective Sgt. and Field Lt.
Who cares if the clearance rate is low. Majority of victims are not worth the cost associated in solving the murder. Rate needs to get down to zero, so asshole gets confidence and kills many more, knowing he will get away with it.
2/11/2018 02:36:00 PM
That's a real brilliant idea. Except for the part where me my friends and family live in this shitty jungle of a city.
Crime-ridden
THe guy posting that 60% of convictions get overturned has obviously not been to court in 20 years. Hardly anything from last 25 years gets overturned. That’s due to felony review basically trying a case before they approve charges. The cases that are being overturned are from before this era. It’s simple to check the appellate court docket
30 percent merit.....What else would you expect. The same shit goes on with the Chicago Fire Dept.
Put merit sergeants ,detectives in charge of all gang,drug related homicides .
Assign the detectives that passed detective test to all other agg.battery , homicide cases .
Drug ,gang related homicides deserve cpd’s Best and brightest .😂😂
A Dem ballot is the only way to rid PrickWanker - even if it means Flakey Fioretti.
Fioretti will never defeat Preckwinkle. He will never raise the money needed to even come close; plus, many voters remember his half-assed attempt to get elected Mayor, in which he dropped out, and threw his support to Rahm. Who the hell would want him in as Cook County Board President? I know I don't!
Truth be told (and I don't mean to disparage all detectives) our detective division has been doing a horrible job for quite a number of years now.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Promote more detectives!
Shut up and focus on being better at your current assignment. You’re failing misably at that, so just shut up
Why the anger and hostility? This individual is correct, we need more detectives. Also we need more E.T.s , Cook County M.E investigator s, and also patrol officers. Doing more with less doesn't always work.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That's a shame. Anyways maybe patrolman and detectives should be on the same pay rate
2/11/2018 04:08:00 AM
Maybe patrolmen should take a pay cut since you can’t seem to stop murders or sweet talk a witness to remain at the scene to be interviewed
People know they don't have to stay and talk to cops or detectives. It's a different day. Let's not turn on each other, that does not help.
OT: Walgreens joining the " gender fluid " brigade. Any male who feels like he's a female at any given moment can enter a women's bathroom.
Maybe patrolmen should take a pay cut since you can’t seem to stop murders or sweet talk a witness to remain at the scene to be interviewed
2/11/2018 02:33:00 PM
Why, if murderers could effectively be prevented from murdering, what would remain for dicks to dick around with?
Victim: I lost my puppy.....
Dick: There, there, my precious victim, I, master investigator that I am, shall forthwith venture out into lost puppyland and find your darling precious puppy.....forthwith, I say!!!!!!
Victim: Ohhhhhhhh, thank you.....thank you so very much.....for being you!!!!!!
Anonymous said...
Get rid of Staples and put someone with leadership skills at the helm. He should still be taking breakfast orders in Indiana. The sad reality is that no commander in any Detective area has the skill set to do the job. Cesario is a mush. Could not tell you who fella in south is. Say what you want about Denihan, he's no good and has the personality of a pencil. They bounced out the only guy with smarts because that scared the hierarchy. Hopefully Riccio will wear two hats and get some respect back to the Detective Division.
2/11/2018 10:57:00 AM
Amen brother! The commander of North before Cesario should have been the Chief of Detectives. He actually was the police and knew what it took to solve a murder.
Talk about theft.....3/4's of the "D Unit" would not only be fired but also sent to the pen if anyone with any brains decided to investigate how much waste and theft of time and money that occurs on a daily basis.
Hi SCC. WBEZ posted the 2017 murder-clearance rate several weeks ago. This page includes a chart and an interview with retired CPD Det. Gerald Hamilton, who has ideas on what could improve the situation. Maybe your readers would like to discuss it.
https://www.wbez.org/shows/wbez-news/retired-chicago-detective-police-diversity-needed-to-solve-more-murders/0443828a-d021-4078-b2a4-f0a9b5ef676c
Anonymous said...
Detective class postponed to September. Smaller class of 60-75 only. Priority for Sgt class of 30 and Lt class of 40-45 in April. This may be the last Sgt class from the list. Over 400 Sgts promoted off of the current list. Area West discussions ongoing but won’t open until late 2019 or 2020 if it is approved. Expect Sgt exam announcement in early 2019. The budgeted positions for Detective (200) will also be the last from that list. The department is pushing for CALEA Certification which requires promotional exams every 5-6 years. -Some projections being discussed at 35th
2/11/2018 09:35:00 AM
They definitely haven’t promoted over 400 off the list because I’m in the high 300s and still waiting. Maybe over 400 total including those on the list and merit. So since the dept is pushing calea accreditation will the dept also let us see which answers we got right/wrong in future exams since that’s also required by calea?
Because it’s your job asshat. I bet you’re one of those one GPR and a one Supp idiots. I hope your boss sees that this is the mentality of D-Unit when it comes to certain communities. I hope he or she remembers this comment when they are getting their ass chewed out at meetings.
No, child, my job is not to mollycoddle nor kiss the asses of witnesses, victims or their familiy members. My Progress Reports (whether they number one or twenty one) are legendary in the unit, and I'd wager that I've been writing them since before your balls dropped and you discovered some bass in your voice.
And my supervisors are keenly aware that "certain communities" (you DID mean African American communities, right??) don't deserve 'The Deluxe' package when it comes to investigating their crime. I'm sure you've heard the phrase "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink". Well, the same applies to cooperation from those certain communities. They get out of it what they put into it.
I'm assuming you're a new detective based on the lack of substance and naiveté in your emotional comment.
It's here that I'll tell you to "Get Some Time On The Job, Kid". Please learn to think before you open that cock holster to spout off about shit of which you know next to nothing. You ain't impressing anybody with your self-righteousness... "Asshat".
OFF TOPIC:
Can anyone direct me to the GO regarding start time adjustments? How many hours +/- and how much of a notice has to be given.
For research purposes.
Anonymous said...
Melissa Staples is the absolute worst Chief of detectives in CPD history!
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Actually she is not. She has made good progress and is fixing years of hiding homicides etc. all in all she is doing as good as she can with what she has. We need more detectives. Like 400-1000 More. We have a list out. Let’s use it.
2/11/2018 01:10:00 PM
Actually he is. The clearance rate speaks volumes.
Anonymous said...
The Drudge report has a story about Baltimore and how the police dept is now going to give RANDOM POLYGRAPH tests to assure integrity! Also they are starting an overtime abuse unit . Chicago won't be far behind . Why can't our cook county politicians have body cams and polygraph ???
2/11/2018 01:41:00 PM
True the overtime abuse due to staples “easy button” is out of control! That is another reason they are finally getting marked cars to deter crime since they solve and clear nothing but make double salary with overtime what a disgrace!
"The clearance rate was 60% in the 1990’s but 60% of the convictions from the 1990’s have been overturned"
60 % really Do you always just say ridiculous things like this. idiot I hope you are not on the job
Want to get the CLEARANCE RATE UP Special ED?
Many moons ago we had sound impoundments and many people would grab up bangers and ask you got something better for me?
Lets formalize this on all crimes we will generate the case report have a white shirt approve the trade and off we go.
I am amazed how many time Exempts believe that calling the CROOK COUNTY STATES ATTORNEY for permission to trade up. Yet a watch commander can kick a case out with a few typed words.
OR i can do contact cards with the felons name on it and inventory the gun laying on the floor.
Solved? Any convictions? that’s a different topic.
I think that there have been many legit responses to this issue so I will not restate them. As to the issue of overtime it is the policy of the police department to immediately identify and notify next of kin on unknown death investigations. That may include printing the deceased at the scene, hand carrying the cards down to ident, pulling the rap sheet if there is one, and then hitting all the addresses till the next of kin is notified. You do not get to leave until someone is notified.
It is the policy and practice of the police department detective division to leave a scene supplementary report before you leave tour, on all cases where a detective has been sent to a scene.
To the poster who said EFI affected the ability to elicit confessions is entirely inaccurate. The cameras changed nothing for me nor for most of the talented detectives because we didn’t change. We still yelled, swore, cajoled, talked, and listened just like we always had been doing. The cameras were installed for us, not the offender. Which leads to another issue stated that is patently false. Convictions are being overturned not by some nefarious behavior from detectives from the 60s-90s, but by witness manipulation after the fact by the post conviction law firms. Once the cameras came on the lawyers could not accuse us of beating, starving, coercing, or any other -ing.
The only thing they could do was flip a witness, which in turn caused the states attorneys office to drop an unwinnable case.
Remember that most of the people you are dealing with do not like the police. That feels like 100% of the population sometimes. There and 2.6 million people in this town and statistically almost all of them appreciate you. You are not second class citizens because of the job you took. You, your friends, family, loved ones, and your own partners and team pay your salary. The city Is managing a department, that is all. Keep an edge, keep an attitude, and the moment any fictitious lie is attached with your name either to a law suit or a cr number, pounce on them and make them fucking regret their ineptitude.
Take care of yourself first, your family, and your partner. Thanks for taking the job and doing the job.
Tim Nolan (Ret.)
Really SCC, the clearance rate is that low? Enough is enough guy, no more “stay fetal.” I have been fetal for the last two years but this does it for me. I can’t stand idly by While the good citizens of this city are consumed by violence. All these innocent victims and we can’t even bring these criminals to court so they can lock’m up and throw away the key? I don’t know about you guys, but I for one am polishing my Rockies boots but I will be donning an old beat up uniform because I’m gonna get dirty with all the proactive crimefighting. The time to act is now! Who’s with me? I fucking asked, who....is...with me?????
Hire more detectives.
For what? So they can dress up in crappie cargo pants, cheap jackets and Forever 21 pant suits. It does give you time to play around, you know what I mean guys,gals. I know a few of those. Hiring more makes no sense if the ones already in place have a clearance rate so low. Oh, and remember ladies just because you fit in Forever 21 clothes doesn't mean you LOOK 21.
Now go out there and prove we need more.
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Hire more detectives and put out a new G.O. that prohibits forever 21 apparel to appease this guy ^. He obviously wants his Detectives in better duds. Dumbass.
What was/is ERI?
Those 5yr wonders Detectives are soft. It's hard to solve a murder by just sitting in front of computer pretending to follow "leads" (being on-scene 30mins after the fact doesn't count). Great job passing the test, you should've been a lawyer then.
Just hire more K9s, millennials love dogs.
I got it, we will use android super computing robots with super algo-rithims, hook them up to shot spotters and the crystal ball unit with direct links to chris, aira and all our isr and contact cards databases, dna databases, rap sheet databases, nickname and pattern databases and man you will get a clearance rate close to 95%. each robot with supercomputing brain power is just shy of 10 mil apiece. yes, oh yes their is a quantity police discount.
Whats a "clearance" mean anyway? It doesnt mean a body in prison for doing the actual crime. All it means is a suspect is named "probably living large in Mexico" and/or one is awaiting trial "which is a trial to far for a conviction".
No disrespect to the dicks. I know how they bust their ass's and often wonder how they are able to "clear" anything in this shit hole. But most of these are gimmee's. Its usually asshole killing asshole, nobody shows up to court, nobody cooperates, the courts suck...yada...yada...yada. I'm singing to the choir.
There is no accountability in this division. After two plus years of bad homicide clearance rates how many demoted or fired. None. Keep on failing your doing a great job seems to be the only response. Why no changes? Must be some pretty strong clout at all levels. Start with the top and shake up the entire leadership staff, demotions reassignments and reasonable goal setting. Fail to achieve the goals and your out of unit. Things will change if you force the issue, nut allowing things to continue without accountability will only result in more of the same. As to shorthanded argument maybe true but throwing more bodies into a division with a demonstrated leadership void will only result in more officers being paid more to achieve the same results. Wake up this is not rocket science but simple bad management.
If those inside the department recognize OT abuse what do you think the public thinks. They are paying the inflated salaries and definitely not getting close to the level policing they are paying for. Almost ashamed to cash the check, while being fetal. If honest hard to rationalize.
Stop all OT for all detectives until clearance rate is over 30%. Watch what happens.
Start times. 2 hour variance either way from your normal start time, no notice need be given. It's not in a general order, it's the contract.
Re: WBEZ posted the 2017 murder-clearance rate several weeks ago. This page includes a chart and an interview with retired CPD Det. Gerald Hamilton, who has ideas .....
Ok, let's start with the fact that Gerald Hamilton is a nice guy. But Gerald does not have good ideas. Gerald is lucky if he has ANY ideas at all. Gerald is low functioning at best. He makes bad decisions, repeats dumb decisions; continuously, and is shiftless and self promoting. When I say, low functioning, I mean as in do you know how many detective reports I had to help him write because he could barely put two sentences together? Yea, that level of low functioning. Whatever advice he is offering I'm sure would be comical, and arbitrarily innocuous at best, but inane and completely impossible to achieve. It probably would have something to do with adopting as many troubled young men as you can in order to give them a father figure in their lives, and instill some order and discipline in their otherwise rag-tag lives, and then allow them to run rampant and wild under your protection and tutelage, all while your collecting those government checks for keeping them. Yes, let's listen to the brainstorm emanating from Gerald, and let's immediately set his scholarly knowledge and genius level wisdom into motion. This would be a complete new series for the Archie Comic Collection titled THE GRAND IDEAS OF JUGHEAD.
They cut back the overtime, but the cut only applies to certain detectives. Most of the detectives that they hound about OT are workers. They cut OT back just to allow the dogs more overtime. The same one GPR, one SUPP hacks are still allowed to stay over. Their purpose for staying over is to go out and look for cameras, something that should’ve been done the day of the shooting.
The connected have already been promoted to Detective so we need a new test so that more clout babies can be made. Can't lower standards and promote those that actually deserve promotion. An honest cop won't go far in Chicago it's not the Chicago way.
I posted a comment about upcoming promotions that are *being discussed* at HQ and that the next Sgt class *may be* the last class. These are discussions only. Nothing is guaranteed unless its on paper. Im merely passing on info to the masses. Its obvious you're probably ranked in the 500s on the Sgt exam because of your angry comment and lack reading comprehension. So you're the moron. But you'll be a stellar sergeant lol! If not, study harder on the next exam. Also, 431 Sergeants have been promoted from the current Sgt exam. Look it up moron.
Disgraceful! If eddy johnson , staples , and ricco are so good why is crime out of control? Why are we paying outside consultants if CPD has world class leadership?
Just wonder how many serial killers have invaded the city. Chicago has become an killing field. 80+% of getting away with murder, don't even have to hide bodies just let CPD clean up, witnesses not talking to police. Where else other then a third world country could they have such ideal conditions.
No, child, my job is not to mollycoddle nor kiss the asses of witnesses, victims or their familiy members. My Progress Reports (whether they number one or twenty one) are legendary in the unit, and I'd wager that I've been writing them since before your balls dropped and you discovered some bass in your voice.
Classic, hahaha...
Amen brother! The commander of North before Cesario should have been the Chief of Detectives. He actually was the police and knew what it took to solve a murder.
2/11/2018 08:32:00 PM
Gari Quasimoto was a hand puppet for Lt one N and his greek boy toy mighty mouse the ex-wrestler...
Anonymous said...
In the 1990’s an order of White Castles chicken rings, a pack of Newport’s 100s, no telephone calls or bathroom breaks and 3 day kidnapping would get anyone to confess.
2/11/2018 03:48:00 PM
And that was just for the witnesses...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I think that there have been many legit responses to this issue so I will not restate them. As to the issue of overtime it is the policy of the police department to immediately identify and notify next of kin on unknown death investigations. That may include printing the deceased at the scene, hand carrying the cards down to ident, pulling the rap sheet if there is one, and then hitting all the addresses till the next of kin is notified. You do not get to leave until someone is notified.
It is the policy and practice of the police department detective division to leave a scene supplementary report before you leave tour, on all cases where a detective has been sent to a scene.
To the poster who said EFI affected the ability to elicit confessions is entirely inaccurate. The cameras changed nothing for me nor for most of the talented detectives because we didn’t change. We still yelled, swore, cajoled, talked, and listened just like we always had been doing. The cameras were installed for us, not the offender. Which leads to another issue stated that is patently false. Convictions are being overturned not by some nefarious behavior from detectives from the 60s-90s, but by witness manipulation after the fact by the post conviction law firms. Once the cameras came on the lawyers could not accuse us of beating, starving, coercing, or any other -ing.
The only thing they could do was flip a witness, which in turn caused the states attorneys office to drop an unwinnable case.
Remember that most of the people you are dealing with do not like the police. That feels like 100% of the population sometimes. There and 2.6 million people in this town and statistically almost all of them appreciate you. You are not second class citizens because of the job you took. You, your friends, family, loved ones, and your own partners and team pay your salary. The city Is managing a department, that is all. Keep an edge, keep an attitude, and the moment any fictitious lie is attached with your name either to a law suit or a cr number, pounce on them and make them fucking regret their ineptitude.
Take care of yourself first, your family, and your partner. Thanks for taking the job and doing the job.
Tim Nolan (Ret.)
2/11/2018 11:44:00 PM
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ERI did not affect the ability to get confessions, or lets just say I don't know one way or the other. What I said was it lessened my flexibility to do my job. I cannot talk to an offender who just got arrested, when they are still a bit freaked out and not thinking straight and usually willing to talk. Where's the gun? Where's the wallet? Who's the guy who ran? That kind of shit. If I did that, then any subsequent ERI statement is GONE. That's the law. You are talking about homicide. I don't work homicide and could not care less about homicide.
Add to that the 48 hr. rule, then having to get another Det. to show lineups and you have 3 whammies in a row. Not a big deal for one case, but over the course of years it really fucks up the system.
Seems to me like ALL the detectives are new. I walk upstairs and 90% of these guys/girls are brand new. That's not fair to them either.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
The Drudge report has a story about Baltimore and how the police dept is now going to give RANDOM POLYGRAPH tests to assure integrity! Also they are starting an overtime abuse unit . Chicago won't be far behind . Why can't our cook county politicians have body cams and polygraph ???
2/11/2018 01:41:00 PM
True the overtime abuse due to staples “easy button” is out of control! That is another reason they are finally getting marked cars to deter crime since they solve and clear nothing but make double salary with overtime what a disgrace!
2/11/2018 09:09:00 PM
Marked cars good, idea at least then all the pool cars would be able to be used by everyone,all the same more presence now this is progress!
Another Lt class ? Aren’t they tripping over each other now ? Also , they got all the Noble test takers in, time for a new test with another SME to hold secret study groups to the well-connected. You have merit sgts just waiting for their second merit bite of the apple, too. C’mon Super Ed, get with the program.
Maybe patrolmen should take a pay cut since the murders are happening on their beats. Patrol your beat and learn who the players are.
2/11/2018 04:24:00 PM
Actually murders are down this year, its the clearance rate that keeps going in the wrong direction.
OFF TOPIC:
Can anyone direct me to the GO regarding start time adjustments? How many hours +/- and how much of a notice has to be given.
For research purposes.
2/11/2018 08:58:00 PM
1.)Click on the blue box that says "Department Directives."
2.)Move cursor to search box. Right Click. Type in a relevant word or phrase.
3.)Move cursor to the "Search" button. Right click.
4.)Read.
OFF TOPIC:
Can anyone direct me to the GO regarding start time adjustments? How many hours +/- and how much of a notice has to be given.
For research purposes.
2/11/2018 08:58:00 PM
It’s in our contract, look it up and stop being lazy
I posted a comment about upcoming promotions that are *being discussed* at HQ and that the next Sgt class *may be* the last class. These are discussions only. Nothing is guaranteed unless its on paper. Im merely passing on info to the masses. Its obvious you're probably ranked in the 500s on the Sgt exam because of your angry comment and lack reading comprehension. So you're the moron. But you'll be a stellar sergeant lol! If not, study harder on the next exam. Also, 431 Sergeants have been promoted from the current Sgt exam. Look it up moron.
2/12/2018 10:11:00 AM
You didn't account for merit dumbfuck.
431x.3= 129
431-129= 302
"I think that there have been many legit responses to this issue so I will not restate them. As to the issue of overtime it is the policy of the police department to immediately identify and notify next of kin on unknown death investigations. That may include printing the deceased at the scene, hand carrying the cards down to ident, pulling the rap sheet if there is one, and then hitting all the addresses till the next of kin is notified. You do not get to leave until someone is notified.
It is the policy and practice of the police department detective division to leave a scene supplementary report before you leave tour, on all cases where a detective has been sent to a scene.
To the poster who said EFI affected the ability to elicit confessions is entirely inaccurate. The cameras changed nothing for me nor for most of the talented detectives because we didn’t change. We still yelled, swore, cajoled, talked, and listened just like we always had been doing. The cameras were installed for us, not the offender. Which leads to another issue stated that is patently false. Convictions are being overturned not by some nefarious behavior from detectives from the 60s-90s, but by witness manipulation after the fact by the post conviction law firms. Once the cameras came on the lawyers could not accuse us of beating, starving, coercing, or any other -ing.
The only thing they could do was flip a witness, which in turn caused the states attorneys office to drop an unwinnable case.
Remember that most of the people you are dealing with do not like the police. That feels like 100% of the population sometimes. There and 2.6 million people in this town and statistically almost all of them appreciate you. You are not second class citizens because of the job you took. You, your friends, family, loved ones, and your own partners and team pay your salary. The city Is managing a department, that is all. Keep an edge, keep an attitude, and the moment any fictitious lie is attached with your name either to a law suit or a cr number, pounce on them and make them fucking regret their ineptitude.
Take care of yourself first, your family, and your partner. Thanks for taking the job and doing the job.
Tim Nolan (Ret.)"
Well written, Tim and so true
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Who gets made detective is the problem. Back in the 70's the detective test was the most honest test in the department Anyone could be a supervisor but you had to have the best to solve crimes. Back then you had your test graded before you left and had your score. No one could mess with it. That was it. No bs interview. Today a different story. Don't care about solving crimes just making the favorites no matter how dumb they are.
You are right. Most honest test in the 70’s but still wasn’t on the square. Yes, you had your test graded before you left and no one could take that away BUT what about the clouted who had the answers or who had their answers changed. You never saw their scores or knew if there test paper was changed
Years ago there were over 2300 Detectives!!! We only have 986 Now!!! That's pretty ridiculous!!!!!!
Can anyone direct me to the GO regarding start time adjustments? How many hours +/- and how much of a notice has to be given.
For research purposes.
You must be a millennial...
read the contract
IC:
Can anyone direct me to the GO regarding start time adjustments? How many hours +/- and how much of a notice has to be given.
No, but there is an index look it up. Isn’t that hard to do
I made Detective in 1996. Between all three ranks, Detective, Gang Specialist and Youth Officers I believe that we were at about 1900 at most. 2300 sounds a little high.
Where is Cesario and his trusty calculator when you nerd him?
Seems to me like ALL the detectives are new. I walk upstairs and 90% of these guys/girls are brand new. That's not fair to them either.
2/12/2018 12:05:00 PM
The reason you see new detectives and not seasoned detectives is because the seasoned detectives are out pounding the pavement looking for leads. These new detectives think they can solve a crime from behind a computer screen. Out of sight, out of mind, they’ll learn sooner or later, I Hope
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can anyone direct me to the GO regarding start time adjustments? How many hours +/- and how much of a notice has to be given.
For research purposes.
You must be a millennial...
read the contract
2/12/2018 09:43:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sounds like you need someone to do everything for you. Do it yourself
Anonymous said...
Seems to me like ALL the detectives are new. I walk upstairs and 90% of these guys/girls are brand new. That's not fair to them either.
2/12/2018 12:05:00 PM
To: The reason you see new detectives and not seasoned detectives is because the seasoned detectives are out pounding the pavement looking for leads. These new detectives think they can solve a crime from behind a computer screen. Out of sight, out of mind, they’ll learn sooner or later, I Hope
The seasoned detectives hides. The new detectives are handling the jobs they don’t want to handle.
Anonymous said...
Years ago there were over 2300 Detectives!!! We only have 986 Now!!! That's pretty ridiculous!!!!!!
2/12/2018 07:19:00 PM
i sure would like to know what years you are referring to in your comment, " years ago". I was in Area 4 in the 70's into the 80's and we had about 60 detectives counting those that worked inside on the desk and at the morgue and the detail at Maxwell Street. I believe that there were less then 1000 at that time in the city.
2/12/2018 07:19:00 PM
i sure would like to know what years you are referring to in your comment, " years ago". I was in Area 4 in the 70's into the 80's and we had about 60 detectives counting those that worked inside on the desk and at the morgue and the detail at Maxwell Street. I believe that there were less then 1000 at that time in the city.
2/13/2018 09:14:00 PM
Funny, that’s the way I remember it too. When you think about it the whole area 4 detective division was in ONE ROOM on the 2nd floor at 3151 Harrison. One room divided into violent crimes and property crimes. If we had all the detectives they claim we would we have put them. One room
Yeah, and in the 70s and 80s you also didn’t have to respond to every asshole shot in the elbow, ankle, and ass either. You didn’t have to call in UUW’s for officers, you didn’t have ERI, you didn’t have to put supps in for Ballistic Information Alerts, you didn’t have to review body cams, dash cams, GPS, and subpoena cell phone records for the 3 cell phones in dead pookies pockets, or deal with Face book and other social media shit. I’m so tired of you old coots coming on here talking about how fucking awesome you all were 40 fucking years ago. You’re so out of touch with the way shit is now that you don’t even know what the fuck you’re talking about. Sorry we can’t beat suspects with phone books until they confess and lock witnesses in a room for a week until they cooperate like you real detectives did in the 70s and 80s!
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