Body Cam Fine Print?
Anyone know if this is true?
- fillmoreranger said...
The city doesn't own these videos, read the fine print in the contract. Taser owns them.The city has no power to erase them. Did you not read the fine print on the paperwork you were ordered to sign before you were issued it? When you log in to view a video after downloading do you log into a city website? NO! You long into taser's website.
A third party "owns" video of government employees undertaking City business on the City's time clock?
Something smells funny here. FOP, you listening?
Something smells funny here. FOP, you listening?
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
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Remember the golf outing, foursomes still available.
Nah, don’t worry about the videos kid...fore!
So you are saying that they are efficient? Is that why they get it to the press before the officer comes into the station? Wonder who is getting a piece of the pie?
FOP.....ZZzzzzz Asleep at the wheel.
But keep the dues coming in.
The city has "no power to erase them"
They do, the City doesn't keep up with the payments to store the video files on Axon's servers... ...they'll be deleted.
That's why Axon was giving away cameras;so they can bill for the storage fees.
As for the fine print, you got me...... Didn't bother to read it
Kickbacks, kickbacks, and still more kickbacks....sweetheart contracts, red light cameras, speed cameras, airport concessions, tif properties, new building projects...etc.....
The SHITcago way...never changes...no one gets indicted...no one investigates...the cops are the bad guys...fucking joke pure and simple!
There is no justice for the little guy in this country. No politicians or millionaires or corporations will be investigated for corruption of any kind...the latest amendment to the
US constipation because the country is "FULL OF SHIT!".....
"Something smells funny here..."
There's a theme here...
Clown Shit?
"Hol' on...
Airybody check dey shoe!"
Taser "OWNS" the footage and the taxpayers
take it up the moon to pay for the storage?
Parking Meter Deal redux?
Whoooo...
Snatch the covers off to reveal who
is in this beshat through the box
springs bed with whom.
It's true... Chicago has a serious
misplaced fiscal priority problem
exacerbated by the political class
penchant for "stealin' tha' stank
offa shit" if it has any intrinsic
monetary value.
...To the High Heavens does this
revelation smells.
We'll hazard a wild-assed guess and say
that this is one of the holes where money
cut from the Police Budget was tossed into?
Who's going to be made to rot alive
in federal custody for this shit?
Since 3rd party owns the video— can you imagine if the Russians hacked their severs —after all the Russians did cost Hillary the election as so she claims
Not true. I work in IT for an agency that uses Axon / Evidence.com. According to the privacy statement - available at the bottom of the page once you're logged into evidence.com...
CSP Role
CSP is a Data Processor - Customers control and own all right, title, and interest in and to its Content and CSP obtains no rights to the Consumer’s Content
CSP is short for cloud service provider - aka Axon. You are logging into a third party system and uploading data to Axon, but CPD (and any other agency using evidence.com) retains ownership and can determine their own retention policies. Basically, you are renting storage space from Axon and paying for the space you're consuming. If we want to get technical, Axon uses Microsoft Azure for the service, so they're actually reselling space in Microsoft's cloud environment.
It all ends up in Amazon’s cloud.
Look at the bright side.
If the videos are owned by a private company, and there is a law or contract that says they must be deleted, you can sue them to get them deleted. And unlike the passive aggressive liars that work for the city, the private enterprise will actually delete them! They won't be hang around unlike the CPD unfounded disciplinary records that the city never purged.
If the FOP is worth a shit, they will follow up, and make sure the private company follows the rules.
I Bet if hostile parties viewed bodycam footage from 007 010 011 015 they could justify separation of 30% of the officers.
I am being conservative.
A good number of white shirts too.
This situation brings a whole new meaning to the term "at will employee".
Nothing on this scale is an accident.
So then how is the "storage" issue an issue then?
There is the crux of the scandel issue i talked about days ago. While this revelation may well stave off FOIA requests, giving courts an easy out. It butresses my point about organized usage of footage to case robbery, rape and murder possibilities.
Its only a matter of when.
Guess what...this EXACT same issue exists with home security cameras, especially web based versions. If you have cameras at home, but no hard drive unit in your home, the recordings that YOUR cameras create arent actually your property!
As stated...you gotta read the tiny print AND understand what actually means.
Imagine, you get robbed, you feel somewhat decent knowing you got it all on camera, except you get the "glitch" excuse from the company which just happens to have deep ties to umm community organizers and gang affiliated aldercreatures.
PU i smell a fuck up.
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
The CPD owns the videos, we lease space on Axon’s servers to store them. Our retention is a CPD policy decision.
Saw a cpd traggic stop on that A&E show a few weeks back. Terrible stop by the way.
More poop in the Rahm game.
That’s why I don’t turn it on except when I see a Sgt for my log. No one has said boo so far.
Remember too, that webcam and home security cameras can be hacked and viewed by others.
Years ago with an FM scanner we were picking up those inside the home baby monitors.
Exactly right, the city doesn’t own the footage, CPD body cam footage is routinely used on some new body cam show on Spike Tv.
Anonymous said...
Not true. I work in IT for an agency that uses Axon / Evidence.com. According to the privacy statement - available at the bottom of the page once you're logged into evidence.com...
CSP Role
CSP is a Data Processor - Customers control and own all right, title, and interest in and to its Content and CSP obtains no rights to the Consumer’s Content
CSP is short for cloud service provider - aka Axon. You are logging into a third party system and uploading data to Axon, but CPD (and any other agency using evidence.com) retains ownership and can determine their own retention policies. Basically, you are renting storage space from Axon and paying for the space you're consuming. If we want to get technical, Axon uses Microsoft Azure for the service, so they're actually reselling space in Microsoft's cloud environment.
8/10/2018 01:00:00 AM
Finally, Someone to actually look into what some super smart copper thinks they know!
Original poster: stop trying to sound smarter than you really are! Shit like that makes us all look dumb. Especially those who comment without the real fact and take you at your word.
“Golf outing” where brown nosing is more important than balls, golf balls.
According to the State Law, the videos are to be deleted except under specific defined circumstances. So, there's two real simple ways to address it:
1) FOP needs to file a FOIA request for any and all videos not being held for the specific defined reasons which are 91 days or older, for ALL officers.
2) Every Copper needs to FOIA the videos not being held for the specific defined reasons which are 91 days or older, for him/herself.
The response from the City ought to be:
* No responsive records exist (due to compliance with relevant statutes requiring deletion).
If they come up with ANYTHING ELSE that indicates the records exist, then you SUE THE CITY for compliance. It's called a Writ of Mandamus - a Judge MANDATES that the fuckers do something. (yeah, yeah, I know - this is the Shitty we're talking about so it'll take a few lawsuits).
Make it a class action - file it in that Southern IL County that everyone files class actions in. Name Axon and evidence.com in the suit - they can and should know what the law is regarding retention, and CONFIGURE their system to automagically comply with it, save for a "Legal Hold" flag being set (and that flag needs to be in an uneditable audit log subject to FOIA as well).
If they whine about the request being too voluminous to comply with, that's an indicator that there's video stored in violation of the law. Change the request - say "all videos between 91 days and 365 days old", then the next day file ANOTHER fucking request, ask for the videos between "365.000001" days old and "730.5" days old, and so on... back until these bullshit things were mandated.
Start sitting on this NOW before you're 45 years down the road going "Duh - wha happened back then? I have no idea...." because whatever it was that was OK then is now the latest pile of stinking liberal shit that they claim is "nasty, mean, bad, raycis," or whatever...
And once you have the Shitty running around searching for video, start filing FOIA's for the CR's and other shit they're supposed to delete that's too old to keep.
FOP should file a FOIA request for it EVERY DAY.
Sgts, Lt's, et. al representatives need to do the same.
The net result will be some squirming, wiggling, running around by the City, a lawsuit or two - and then this shit will start happening automatically because the City Roaches don't like sunlight. Shine it brightly on their asses.
The city owns the video and a homeowner who has cameras at his house and uses the cloud for storage owns his/her video. The above statements are false. You just rent space in a cloud server and pay a fee each month. I use both on my house, the cloud and a hard drive DVR. home security cameras are evolving in leaps and bounds and are very inexpensive and easy for the homeowner to install. I just heard of a great battery operated system for homeowners and you can view the cameras on your phone, it is called ARLO.
That's incorrect, all cities own the rights to the video and retention. Evidence.com is just a cloud storage utility.
The new CFD Dodge ambulances are constantly recording on all sides and in the front cab. A paramedic was assaulted outside the ambulance and they were told that video needed to be downloaded. Came as a shock because nobody was aware it constantly records, only told that it activates in a crash and it is recording the front and cab view when activated.
Axon owns the cameras. The city is not erasing the videos because they get to store as much video as they want for the first year. For no charge. After the first year then they begin paying storage fees to axon. The city is just getting their money’s worth. Once they start paying storage fees I’m sure they’ll start dumping some old videos
Per Axon website they provide free body cameras/mounts/and charging stations with free storage for 1 year. After a free year, the evidence.com plans cost $39 user/month. So lets say there is 10,000 users that would be 390,000.00USD a month for storage. Each year city would have to shall out $4,680,000.00 Taxpayers money wasted on false rhetoric of liberal mindset.
If the videos are owned by a private company, and there is a law or contract that says they must be deleted, you can sue them to get them deleted. And unlike the passive aggressive liars that work for the city, the private enterprise will actually delete them! They won't be hang around unlike the CPD unfounded disciplinary records that the city never purged.
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what happens when the owner of Taser, or whoever owns them, has them guarded by a passowrd that's the name of his dog. Now Julian Assange puts 600,000 hours of CPD bodycam video on Wiki Leaks - that's what
City owns it, taser owns it
Whatever. Who cares? This shit is done. Stay fuckin fetal
"Hmmm....how can I make money off of this?"
---Rahm
CSP is short for cloud service provider - aka Axon. You are logging into a third party system and uploading data to Axon, but CPD (and any other agency using evidence.com) retains ownership and can determine their own retention policies. Basically, you are renting storage space from Axon and paying for the space you're consuming. If we want to get technical, Axon uses Microsoft Azure for the service, so they're actually reselling space in Microsoft's cloud environment
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An interesting take...'determine your own retention policies' Just like the city was supposed to get rid of disciplinary records according to contract and their own general orders; and records going back to the 60's exist. What are the chances ALL the data is deleted from ALL the servers??? Never gonna happen. City logs in, response from server is 'file not found' Someone sues Axon, suddenly, the file that was not found magically appears on one of the supposedly deleted backup servers and Axon is the media hero. ""City claimed video erased, service provider finds it. Must have been a coverup. New consent decree in the works"".
Does Axon use the DOD spec for deleting files? Provide a certificate of deletion? and, How would you check? And isn't the department under a court order not to destroy ANYTHING, including computer files?
Axon is probably selling the video to AE network for their show live pd, pd cam. The show mainly is about on showing footages of officers body cameras/dash cam only. On the show A majority of of them are all from Axon.
Sounds like a Vanecko body cam company to me
They may own the images but it seems Copyrights shouldn’t be automatically implied.
But if these images are Evidentiary Property why are they even distributed without the full consent of all those captured and would not be considered Fair Use under copyright laws.
Are there Disclaimers stating; “any use of these images without the written consent of ...”?
Maybe the lame duckling white lady Attorney General can look this after she done with Willie Wilson Cash Dispensary case.
Stay out of the ghetto and you’ll have no worries or need to read the fine print.
Let's read directly from Axon's site, scroll to the bottom to "Data Retention, Restitution, and Deletion"
https://www.axon.com/trust/security/evidence/pls
Customer's control the retention and deletion of its Content within the Evidence.com Service. ... Customer Data is deleted by the Evidence.com Service and is unrecoverable by any party.
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Youtub ain't got shit compared to this!!!!!
It doesnt bother people these cameras are used almost exclusively nationwide by local departments. No competition just a monoplistic centrally controlled entity. Federal agencies don't seem to be mandated to use them. Only those agencies not under federal control and command utilize the "mandated video evidence" to embarrass those agencies not up to federal standards. The volume of irrefutable body cam evidence suggests the absolute need for a federal takeover.
You know damn well some federal agency with grants through a "private company" as not to violate Constitutional protections, is surveilling its citizens. Its a daily borage of carefully chosen video clips to humiliate the locals on the news and create distrust of the local agencies. The local departments are willfully providing video and audio evidence to satisfy a pre-arrainged narrative for a nationwide consent decree as planned in collusion with those federal courts .
Remember the cameras have proprietary software. Any time you use this software, you are creating intellectual property exclusively under the control of Axon /evidence.com.
The privacy is agreement is between Axon and the City of Chicago. If a third party buys Axon, the privacy agreement is between the city and Axon, not the new owners. The new owners can do what they like with all the videos. Remember the privacy agreement only applies to those parties who signed off on the original privacy agreement. Keep recording your co-workers and American citizens who seek your help in their darkest moments. Privacy is Dead-Get over it.
If true then they also own all recorded interviews of offenders by detectives. It’s the same storage under evidence. Com
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Streaming video web site. Monthly fee.
Best of... selected highlights availble for premium members.
Categories limited to civil and criminal law prohibitions.
See it All, See it Hear!!!!
Youtub ain't got shit compared to this!!!!!
8/10/2018 02:57:00 PM
That's one way to fund the pension.
Why are you even turning the thing on? There is ZERO discipline or repercussions when it comes to body cams. No one says shit because these things were a knee jurk reaction and political move that tiny dancer thought would appease the community. NO ONE especially CPD bosses know how or when to use them. ONLY turn it on if you feel that recording the situation will benefit you in any way. Other REAL, ACTUAL police departments across the country only activate during a serious confrontation. Not every single god damn call. Wake the fuck up CPD! It’s all a game, especially in this fake ass corrupt city. Act accordingly.
Anonymous said...
Remember the cameras have proprietary software. Any time you use this software, you are creating intellectual property exclusively under the control of Axon /evidence.com.
The privacy is agreement is between Axon and the City of Chicago. If a third party buys Axon, the privacy agreement is between the city and Axon, not the new owners. The new owners can do what they like with all the videos. Remember the privacy agreement only applies to those parties who signed off on the original privacy agreement. Keep recording your co-workers and American citizens who seek your help in their darkest moments. Privacy is Dead-Get over it.
8/10/2018 08:15:00 PM
Not even a little bit true.
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