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- A Cook County judge said Friday he will wait until jury selection to determine if a fair jury can be picked for Chicago police Officer Jason Van Dyke, putting off a decision on whether his trial should be moved because of extensive publicity until then.
The unexpected ruling by Judge Vincent Gaughan came after an all-day hearing at which experts for the defense and prosecution sparred — and lawyers argued — over the issue for nearly six hours.
The decision suggests that Gaughan would consider moving the trial if he found it impossible to find unbiased jurors when the jury selection is set to begin on Sept. 5, though he expressed confidence Friday that fair-minded jurors would be found.
So the judge is going to attempt to seat a jury for a trial that might not even be held at 26/Cal? We happen to have been born at night, but not last night. This looks like an attempt at some "pre-justification" as in, "Well, we spent all this time picking a jury, so we might as well keep it here."
We're seeing a lot of evidence for a change of venue - and so is the Slum Times amazingly:
We're seeing a lot of evidence for a change of venue - and so is the Slum Times amazingly:
- Van Dyke’s lawyers argue that the veteran cop can’t get a fair trial in Chicago, where dashcam video of Van Dyke firing 16 shots into the 17-year-old McDonald has been seen by more than 70 percent of residents, according to polling by a defense expert who is set to testify Friday. In the poll, 51 percent of those surveyed in Cook County believe Van Dyke is “definitely guilty.” More than two-thirds of those polled by the defense said it would be difficult to convince them Van Dyke is not guilty.
Granted it's a defense expert, but 51% of those who have already forsworn the "innocent until proven guilty" that the Law requires and two-thirds bring "difficult to convince" is worrying to say the least.
The prosecutor doesn't help his case much:
The prosecutor doesn't help his case much:
- Special Prosecutor Joseph McMahon points out that the odds are better of finding 12 unbiased jurors in Cook County, where there are 5.2 million residents — and 3.9 million eligible to serve jurors — than any other county in Illinois. Polling conducted for the prosecution shows 79 percent of potential jurors say that while they know about the case, 45 percent say they don’t know enough about the case to decide a verdict.
45%? That's less than half of the jury pool even admitting to keeping an open mind, and we all know exactly how accurate polling data is, especially with the questions they would have had to ask to even get some sort of response.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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The Honorable Drew Peterson is doing time with no evidence of a body nor did he pop some caps into anyone! Drew must be set free!
Seems like the prosecution is not too confident. It is as if they want to keep the trial in Cook County because they believe their chances of a conviction are better here than there. A change of venue should be granted. It is the fair thing to do.
So they are not having a bench trial?
The judge is making a mistake in to believing Van Dyke could get fair trial here. You want to get this case as far away from Cook County as possible. If held here the people with the mob mentality will cause quite a disruption.
rahm has to get a guilty verdict.
a jury of his peers are 12 cops. nothing less.
hey vince, your corruption is showing.
What a mess in 011 tonight. Happy to see the marches knocking down violence!!
He is F---ed, the video is all the jury will remember and it looks like an execution. Dumb move on his part and one he and the city will pay for regardless of the verdict. Come to think of it the city/ Rahm paid off already. Guilty they riot in celebration like a Bulls victory. Innocent and they riot like someone took all there free shit away. Ether way it will be the mother of all shit storms.
Move it to Alexander, Pulaski or Massac county.
Great grounds for appeal thanks to judge Vincent(Brain Dead) Gaughn.
But Vaneko can get a change of venue. SMH
The local news is played several counties away.
Only in crook country
The folks of Father Phaker's flock demand their pound of flesh. He will be found guilty, he will receive the maximum punishment for his crimes.
So they are not having a bench trial? Not yet! That can be decided at the last minute if the jury selection does not appear to be biased. Let’s face it 12 or 1 in Cook County is a tall obstacle. The judge hasn’t ruled favorably once for the defense in any of the pre-trial motions. If he would release all the motions to the public. At least the public would see the legal side of this case. Like what is the City of Chicago’s use of force policy? Is it a piece of clay that gets molded every day?
Lawyers should ask for a bench trial ?????
Drew Peterson has been called a lot of things over the years; but honorable is the least accurate of all. Kinda like referring to TD as honorable. Oops, the Scum Times and Spitune do
Chess game.
@ 03:41 AM...Hear, hear.
I live in Chicago and I will be a honest and fair minded juror. Can I serve?
Not guilty.
Even some anti violence marchers were carrying signs with VanDyke’s picture on them. Ya, get a fair trial all right!
Zipporah Jones doesn't pay property taxes. Do you?
As complaints over the hike in property taxes continue to roll in, there’s one group of homeowners that lucked out. It’s estimated that 53,000 homeowners received a “zero” bill in August. They will also be refunded their 2017 first installment payment.
Zipporah Jones is one of those homeowners. She says she couldn’t believe it when she first opened her bill.
https://wgntv.com/2018/08/02/why-some-cook-county-homeowners-got-a-property-tax-bill-of-0/
During the peaceful march to Cubs Park, all the peaceful marchers were chanting "16 shots and a coverup" over and over again while carrying a big sign that read something like "Justice for LaQuan" with VanDyke's picture front and center on the sign.
A fair trial in Cook County/Chicago... I highly doubt it.
What the fuck is so important you need to impale yourself on a fence? Go getters in 011 need classes in parkour?
I hate to say it but so much has been splattered all over the news about this case that there's no way Vandyke is gonna be found not guilty. He is gonna be found guilty and gonna get at least a decade in prison.
>>>> 8/04/2018 01:22:00 AM || Anonymous Anonymous said... So they are not having a bench trial?
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That hasn't been determined yet. Officer Van Dyke & Legal Team still have to decide that.
Bench trial,lol!
Never forget the term "Urban Jury". In the early 90's, there was the Rodney King case, captured on video and perhaps the beginning of what history will someday call the "Video Judgement Era of American Policing". As brutal and ugly as the Rodney King beating appeared in the few seconds shown on video, of a much longer incident; the L.A. cops were conforming with a flawed policy and procedure. In the entire video, the officers were shown to have used various tactics before striking King with their metal batons, as they had been trained to do. Personally I, nor would most of the officers I have worked with, used the amount of force used, especially with metal batons. But, it conformed to their policy at the time to continue to beat until the subject complied. An all White jury agreed, even after the President of the U.S., Bush I, had publicly stated, that he felt it was Excessive Force. After being found Not Guilty, by a jury of their Peers, the cops were taken to Federal Court, to an Urban Jury. The Urban Jury was dominated by African Americans, one of whom it was discovered post-trial, actually was raised by her Black Panther father! The Urban Jury had no trouble in finding the officers Guilty. Those cops went to prison, and that included the Sergeant, who never touched King, but was held accountable because he was on the scene and did not stop his subordinates. So, if ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE THINKS JASON CAN GET A FAIR TRIAL, IN COOK COUNTY; THAT PERSON, INCLUDING THE JUDGE, SHOULD BE URINE TESTED! Come to think of it, All Jurors, Judges and Politicians should be Urine Tested, especially if they think Cook County is Normal, for American Justice! Baby "G"
Yes, and if the trial is held in Cook County, you can expect the jury to be sequestered and massive demonstrations daily around the court house. I believe that the political class in this town wants the officer to be convicted as they fear civil unrest on the eve of a city election for mayor. Too bad this trial can't be moved out of state. There is no way that the county will be able to seat an unbiased black person on that jury.
Pull a jury from where 26th and farm the out to where?
Maywood, Bridgeview, Markham?
Won’t be Skokie.
I think Gaughan knows what he’s doing, social justice fumblenuts of the Biased ASA will cause a mistrial.
It’s not a criminal trial and the outcome that’s on the line, it’s a political career for many that’s more important.
No fucking way would I want a CC jury of 12 idiot and racist liberal democratic assholes on my jury.
The Cook County Fix is in. This judge has already been briefed and ordered what to do by the powers that be. Fuck the law and fuck precedent. If ever a change of venue was warranted in a case this is it. It is impossible to take anything in Illinois or Chicago or Cook Shit County as serious or credible. It's all corrupted. And Lisa Madigan AG should be disbarred for gross incompetence. Stooge Tim Evans, too. All politics at its most rotten. Talk about no justice! This judge is bought and paid for. Sickening.
Is this another totally delusional judge? Early onset dementia product? The judges handlers are telling him to keep it here, no judge in crook county does not come from being the spawn of an elected committeeman! The judges to be ordained must come before their master in the democratic party here in crook county,bow down and in the ceremony promise to obey,and of course attend political functions which serves as them paying their "tax" to the official via envelope!
Wait what is this a war zone?
Man shot in back in Irving Park: 'We almost died tonight'
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13350456&postID=8978106246302300076&bpli=1
Excerpt:
It’s getting to the point where she doesn’t like to be outside at night, and is considering moving to the suburbs. The violence made them worried about publishing their names, she said.
*Moving to the suburbs be careful there also section 8 is spreading,the savage animals have long reach!
The judge (Gaughan) has HIS "Marching Orders" as
the reason why he MUST keep the "change of venue"
genie in the bottle...
The "Community."
The ACLU.
#blm.
The Democratic Party.
Chicago Media.
The government grant money consuming,
Social Justice bastions that are Northwestern U.
and U. of Chicago.
Rahm Emanuel.
The firmly entrenched Obama running-dogs.
The unceasingly angry and hateful "Hillary
Should've Won" minions.
Are ALL IN on making sure that the change of venue
DOES NOT OCCUR so as to insure that The "Community"
has every chance to obtain "victory" and achieve no small
measure of "revenge" against The Police.
They NEED for JVD to be sacrificed on their altar.
Anything less, IS unacceptable and politically unpalatable.
They all fear that anything less would make their artfully
crafted narrative and their movement to be a damnable lie.
They fear that if JVD were to "get away," (when there's nothing
actually to "get away" with) and not be found guilty, there will end
up being revelatory exposure of them and their false narrative.
Rahm, Kim and Taxwinkle all want the trial right here in the heart of Crook County.
That’s it in a nutshell.
Kid is never gonna get fair trial. Best bet is bench trial.
I say we put a pool together: 1. Guilty (murder) 2. Not Guilty (murder) 3. Guilty (lesser charge) 4. Mistrial 5. Hung Jury
Then there's always prosecutors misconduct, blatant bias of the court and more, driving whatever is the verdict is to an appeal and that my friends would be another pool.
I do not like officer VD. I do not like people who shoot individual in the back where there is no imminent threat. I am old school, forgive me. I know precisely how dangerous knife is, my body knows. But still,in my opinion,that was not a situation where VD had to shoot. Opposite to shooting of Augustus. Suspect running away, reaching for a weapon, police squad with people inside in front of him. Fully justified. Thank you, officer for excellent job protecting people from criminals.
Now, back to VD. As I said I am not a fan. And will never be. But this officer deserves a fair trial like everybody else. In Cook County the trial might not be fair.
I do believe in Justice System. After all, what we have left? And I believe in Judge who will sentence him. But I also believe in power of public opinion pressure. Nobody is perfect, everybody is human. Our brains work in mysterious ways. That is why officer Van Dyke's trial should be moved out of Cook County.
After all the footage made available after the midget won the mayoral run-off it is impossible to get a fair venue of his peers anywhere. His peers should be other officers.
Why isn't the midget on trial for surpressing evidence? 9.5 is going to let JVD swing in the wind and not give a damn.
All of this is obvious to the citizenry, do the powers that be think we don't see this shit?
Be safe and as always G-d bless those that put it on the line everyday.
...judge is forcing Herbert’s hand in picking either jury trial or bench. Judge knows once jury selection starts you can not go back and it’s a sure fire way to keep trial in Cropk Coubty. But, it’s also an old tactic (that Judge G would know) to ensure a successful appeal by the Defense for a new trial. Remember people (or folks) - chess, not checkers.
Anonymous said...
So they are not having a bench trial?
8/04/2018 01:22:00 AM
Have you seen some of the rulings this judge has made. That should answer your question on a bench trial
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Seems like the prosecution is not too confident. It is as if they want to keep the trial in Cook County because they believe their chances of a conviction are better here than there. A change of venue should be granted. It is the fair thing to do.
Situations like this are the reason change of venue. Couldn’t be a better example, but looks like it’s not going to happen
As far as being not too confident, isn’t the reason. All prosecutors want to have their case heard in a jurisdiction where they have a better chance of convictuon
Van dyke is screwed no matter what
Multiple armed robbery carjackings in 019 early Saturday. Police chased thugs in 018. Got away. News Media?? Description of the Male Black Offenders???
One out of twelve Cook County jurors will also believe Elvis is still alive too....A cook county ASA told me this back in the day. I hope and pray PO Van Dyke gets a fair trial and is then acquitted according to Illinois Law.
Where is rahm with all this? Telling the lawbreakers to stop? Supporting the police?
1 killed, 12 wounded Friday in city shootings
66-year-old man shot in violent carjacking on West Side
Bet he went to the hospital to visit this officer and offer him anything he needs to get a complete recovery:
Officer injured during foot pursuit in East Garfield Park
Chicago police officer impales arm on fence during foot chase in East Garfield Park
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-officer-arm-injury-20180804-story.html
Nope not there where is he let's examine oops here he is pandering for votes doing the "I need black votes convulsions dance!"
http://abc7chicago.com/entertainment/video-mayor-rahm-emanuel-busts-a-move-at-south-side-music-festival/3879711/
Don't worry people he is protected with armed officers, so is city clerk,city treasurer, Toni, tommy, kimmy, some alderman all with police spec vehicles, police radios for immediate help, 24/7 protection families covered but the lemmings are being murdered, maimed, stabbed,beat but to the elected with protection they can't "keep it real" have zero idea of the suffering of the citizens of this city! They are not going to the hospital or mortuary to see their family nope they are the protected class! You would think law enforcement would be honored for doing the job, but none of these speak out for the thin blue line, even though the thin blue line offers a complete free taxpayer subsidized protection package for them and their entire family costing tens of millions of dollars!
Think they ever travel like the common people via Cta, go anywhere without being protected? Think about this coming election, even many Black residents are turning away from the democratic establishment finally realize that they are being kept down, with free things thrown at them to keep them in the same place where children cannot even go outside and play, due to worry about them not being able to come home! Very sad what the Ceo of each entity have allowed to happen! What is going on with the silence on cps scandal? No 1 terminated was this happening to the kids acceptable? Wtf is going on there?
Don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining....🤨
FORGOTTEN!!!???
Everyone is forgetting a little detail that was mentioned in the papers early on when JVD got indicted.
A Cook County Police Officer (who was interviewed by the FBI and there is radio transmission to back this up) responded to the scene and arrived just after the shots were fired. The CC PO stated to the FBI that when he arrived on scene that he made eye contact with LQ and that LQ raised his head and that the PO stated to LQ that to lie still that medical help was on the way. CC PO continued to say that he observed LQ expire before his own eyes.
Sounds like a text book use of force to stop the threat.
No legal basis to charge with 1st degree murder
That's if this guy's version of events ever sees the inside of a court room because I know that he didn't get called in front of the Grand Jury.
Herbert are you paying attetnion???
This trial is a hand grenade.
Eventually, the pin is going to be pulled.
The only question is: who will be holding it when it explodes?
We all know the explosion and damage will be RIGHT HERE IN CHICAGO.
And they're worried about the shoes in the academy. I have buddy in the academy who's telling me their sergeant is making them buy ANOTHER pair of shiny shoes just for graduation day (one day). That's two pairs! They want to see the receipt and inspect them. What's next, two guns and two vests? You already made the poor saps buy $5k worth of equipment, what's another $60 out of their pockets for shoes they will never wear again.
Miscarriage of justice. No way can this guy get a fair trial. It’s impossible. If this was a real county, the defense would have a judge decide the verdict. The law is on the side of JVD. The full unedited video is on the side of JVD. But this judge has basically told the defense to have a jury trial. Meaning he doesn’t have the balls to do the legally correct thing and if he has to make the decision it won’t be good for JVD. Ask any ASA you know why this isn’t a bench trial. They will either shrug their shoulders or tell you the judge made that decision by implying multiple times that the defense needs a jury trial. Sad!
OT
Another black eye for the dept because of a SWAT SUPERVISOR. This is the clout psycho Sgt who was thrown out of SOS but brought back as a supervisor. Some serious accusations made concerning sexual harassment and possible assault on several POs. When will this dept start firing these nut jobs?
Regardless of where the trial is held, Van Dyke is facing an uphill battle. This is one of those cases which will require nothing less than the defendant taking the stand to counter the evidence against him.
Certainly there is the presumption of innocence, but whether you've seen it 100 times or never seen it once, that dash cam recording is going to be hard to overcome, especially considering that none of his fellow officers who had been following McDonald for some time felt the need up to that point to draw their weapon and fire on him.
Van Dyke pulled up in his vehicle, and with very little hesitation hopped out, pulled his weapon and fired it 16 times.
Good luck defending that, and I'm not cop hater. One of my cousin's husband is a top criminal defense attorney who argues most of his cases at Leighton, even he said it meets the criteria for a murder charge and probably will result in a conviction.
Its too bad the bosses in charge did not handle this incident with integrity when it happened. Its a bad shooting, no matter how you slice it, its a bad shooting. The family was going to get paid off no matter what, and if handled differently, Van Dyke may have still had a job. Not now, not with the coverup, he is losing his job, losing his pension, and going to jail. So go ahead and give him the change of venue.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The Honorable Drew Peterson is doing time with no evidence of a body nor did he pop some caps into anyone! Drew must be set free!
8/04/2018 12:38:00 AM2
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Not a drew peterson fan but am still appalled by the hearsay law they passed just to find him guilty. Can't believe it hasn't been challenged and taken off the books by now. The ability to to confront someone bearing witness against you, is as fundamental to law, as it gets.
If this was simply the case of a defendant who was a person of color instead of a cop, the venue change would have been granted. The "fair trial" concept for a cop is not a concern in today's society.
A police officer may not seize an unarmed, nondangerous suspect by shooting him dead...however...Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force.
— Justice Byron White, Tennessee v. Garner
Wasn’t this jag armed with a knife and pulled it on citizen’s prior to getting stopped?
The Honorable Drew Peterson is doing time with no evidence of a body nor did he pop some caps into anyone! Drew must be set free!
8/04/2018 12:38:00 AM2
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Not a drew peterson fan but am still appalled by the hearsay law they passed just to find him guilty. Can't believe it hasn't been challenged and taken off the books by now. The ability to to confront someone bearing witness against you, is as fundamental to law, as it gets.
8/04/2018 06:56:00 PM
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Totally agree with both comments.
Based on the video do I believe JVD did it? Odds are way above average, but not absolute. Do I believe he'll get a fair trial in Chicago? Absolutely not, he'll be a human sacrifice for Rahm and co.
Its too bad the bosses in charge did not handle this incident with integrity when it happened. Its a bad shooting, no matter how you slice it, its a bad shooting. The family was going to get paid off no matter what, and if handled differently, Van Dyke may have still had a job. Not now, not with the coverup, he is losing his job, losing his pension, and going to jail. So go ahead and give him the change of venue.
8/04/2018 05:35:00 PM
You could not be more wrong. You do not like the optics, but leave your emotions out of it. By law, it was a good shoot. There was no illegal conduct. If allowed to continue his hopped-up, armed, mini-crime spree, the offender would have endangered members of the public and other officers. If he harmed or killed you or one of yours a block after he was allowed to continue, you or your family would be wondering aloud why he was not taken down before he encountered you or a member of your family. And, you or the family would be suing the city.
Read the innocent man by John Grisham. I see a lot of parallels in this case.
And they're worried about the shoes in the academy. I have buddy in the academy who's telling me their sergeant is making them buy ANOTHER pair of shiny shoes just for graduation day (one day). That's two pairs! They want to see the receipt and inspect them. What's next, two guns and two vests? You already made the poor saps buy $5k worth of equipment, what's another $60 out of their pockets for shoes they will never wear again.
8/04/2018 03:31:00 PM
Recruits wear their shoes everyday to and from the academy everyday. They run in them, do push ups, sit ups etc. the shoes they buy are usually the cheapest ones from the uniform stores. By the time they are ready for graduation their shoes look like shit. They get scuffed up and sometimes are pretty much falling apart. And they will wear them again, St Jude, award ceremonies, funerals, interviews, etc. But, if you don’t mind looking like shit just buy them the day before inspection and return them after. Couldn’t figure that out ??
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Its too bad the bosses in charge did not handle this incident with integrity when it happened. Its a bad shooting, no matter how you slice it, its a bad shooting. The family was going to get paid off no matter what, and if handled differently, Van Dyke may have still had a job. Not now, not with the coverup, he is losing his job, losing his pension, and going to jail. So go ahead and give him the change of venue.
8/04/2018 05:35:00 PM
How is it a bad shooting Forcible Felony? Laquan was high on PCP running around with a knife slashed Police vehicle tires with women Officers inside in fear of their life refusing commands to drop the knife. Remember the woman Officer who had her head bashed in the pavement repeatedly by someone high on PCP whatever happened to her disability?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The Honorable Drew Peterson is doing time with no evidence of a body nor did he pop some caps into anyone! Drew must be set free!
8/04/2018 12:38:00 AM2
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Not a drew peterson fan but am still appalled by the hearsay law they passed just to find him guilty. Can't believe it hasn't been challenged and taken off the books by now. The ability to to confront someone bearing witness against you, is as fundamental to law, as it gets.
8/04/2018 06:56:00 PM
Then they get his son fired too but he should have known his father was toxic saved himself.
Anonymous BIG boy said...
This trial is a hand grenade.
Eventually, the pin is going to be pulled.
The only question is: who will be holding it when it explodes?
We all know the explosion and damage will be RIGHT HERE IN CHICAGO.
8/04/2018 02:27:00 PM
Make sure to call off, hit the medical or just disappear like Officers did during Katrina.
Chicagogate at Chicago Public Schools they really care about the children!
“It’s a bad shooting” Gtfoh
Offender armed w a knife, already used against other officers’ vehicles.
Sure.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What the fuck is so important you need to impale yourself on a fence? Go getters in 011 need classes in parkour?
8/04/2018 08:01:00 AM
Disability Jackpot may not be able to fire a gun!
Gaughn knows that this will be a bench trial and Van Dyke would be stupid to request a jury. Everyone knows this is just a facade to try and force a mistrial or win an appeal down the line. It’s all a show to get to an appeal because he will be found guilty of multiple counts of agg battery but not murder.
Lawyers should request a bench triial
Gaughn will never convict him of murder. If at worst an involuntary manslaughter charge. Gaughn doesnt care about offending anyone. He is going to retire after this trial. Only sticking around to do the right thing. He has many police friends.
It being obvious that a good majority of eligible jurors would jump at the chance to convict a cop so they could improve their street cred, there is one thing the defense lawyers can do. As the jury picking process begins, defense lawyers should request from the county the records showing if a potential juror was ever notified of jury duty in the past and if that person showed up or simply ignored the notice. If the potential juror showed up on the appointed date, were they picked or did they pull out their laundry list of excuses as to why they could not serve? Remember, everything in court is put on record. Even at jury picking. If they ignored the notice and then the second " HEY! We mean it! You better show up or else!"notice, what was done to that person? Did the county go through with the threats of fines and/or jail time or did they too ignore the situation and do nothing? I mean, if the Cook County State Attorney can't (or won"t) follow their own rules or laws, how does that reflect on their being fair and even handed in picking potential jurors?
Dear Vox Pop, you sir are about as old school as the shit stain on my underwear from last nights Old Style. I love how you say that lm wasn’t an imminent threat and that he was shot in the back. You sir are a troll and have no idea what you are talking about. Go back to your moms basement. Your so progressive! Go pound sand up your ass and keep drinking 3 Floyd’s because that cute boy at the end of your block will notice you someday!
The best he can hope for is a mistrial like the Michael Slager case at least Van Dyke didn't get hit with Federal charges too.
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Another black eye for the dept because of a SWAT SUPERVISOR. This is the clout psycho Sgt who was thrown out of SOS but brought back as a supervisor. Some serious accusations made concerning sexual harassment and possible assault on several POs. When will this dept start firing these nut jobs?
8/04/2018 04:31:00 PM
Lots of FOIA requests going back 20 years on this guy. Not good. Can’t believe he’s still on the job.
Anonymous said...
Chicagogate at Chicago Public Schools they really care about the children!
8/04/2018 10:21:00 PM
Notice the extreme silence of the news media the children were sexually abused some more raped but I guess that was acceptable because not one of the assholes in charge have been fired charged criminally prosecuted they all probably are getting big raises that is what the mayor wants sickening what is happened to the children!The Democrats talk about the children of the illegal invaders worrying about them in the city of Chicago but yet this happens and none of them are speaking out about it I guess they don’t care about children many that are citizens that are being abused in this manner!
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Its too bad the bosses in charge did not handle this incident with integrity when it happened. Its a bad shooting, no matter how you slice it, its a bad shooting. The family was going to get paid off no matter what, and if handled differently, Van Dyke may have still had a job. Not now, not with the coverup, he is losing his job, losing his pension, and going to jail. So go ahead and give him the change of venue.
8/04/2018 05:35:00 PM
How is it a bad shooting Forcible Felony? Laquan was high on PCP running around with a knife slashed Police vehicle tires with women Officers inside in fear of their life refusing commands to drop the knife. Remember the woman Officer who had her head bashed in the pavement repeatedly by someone high on PCP whatever happened to her disability?
8/04/2018 10:07:00 PM
The question is this. If Laquan was such a dangerous threat, why didn't any of those officers already on the scene shoot and kill him? Why didn't those scared "in fear of their life" female officers inside their car shoot Laquan when he was slashing their tires? If all of those officers were in fear of their lives and in fear of others lives, why didn't any one of them shoot Laquan to stop the threat? Why did it take Van Dyke to drive up in the middle of all those police cars, jump out and shoot Laquan 16 times? Were all of those other officers on scene so afraid that it took the the courageous Van Dyke to arrive on the scene and save the day by shooting Laquan?
I am not trying to be a smart ass, please know that. These are some of the questions that need to be answered when reviewing the totality of circumstances. Shooting someone is the last resort if you have no other options, or after exhausting all other options. Are we trying to say Van Dyke had no other options?
The prosecution would be better served by going along with a change of venue. Otherwise there is at least some chance of after-the-fact the defense claiming an unfair trial. A good defense lawyer can get a juror to admit to just about anything if the question is phrase the right way.
Gaughn will never convict him of murder. If at worst an involuntary manslaughter charge. Gaughn doesnt care about offending anyone. He is going to retire after this trial. Only sticking around to do the right thing. He has many police friends.
If he does have many police friends then it would be appropriate for him to recuse himself.
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