Time for a New Idea
- Chicago taxpayers will spend $1 million to compensate the family of a man who died in 2015 at the lock-up of a South Side station despite his repeated requests for medical attention.
A wrongful death lawsuit filed four years ago in Cook County Circuit Court alleged that Charles Edward Jones died because Chicago Police officers denied Jones the medical treatment he desperately needed.
We have no idea of the circumstances, nor do we really care, except for the fact it cost us and other taxpayers a million dollars for someone who never would have earned a million dollars in twenty lifetimes.
Time for some new ideas, like in other counties and other states. When someone gets arrested by a smaller department, they don't always overnight in the town lockup. They're transferred directly to the County Jail, sometimes even processed there, and left in the custody of sheriffs who get them directly to court. Sometimes, there's even a medical facility on the grounds of (or within) the jail so that prisoners can be treated and cleared for court all inside one building.
If Cook County won't go for that, perhaps it's time to shut down the outlying lockups and go back to five Areas. Prisoners are processed in the District of arrest, then sent to the Areas to await transport to court. Optimally, there's a trained paramedic in every Area lockup who can determine who gets Dramamine for being dope sick and who needs to see an actual doctor to get stitched together - you know, people actually qualified to make medical judgements to limit City taxpayer liability.
But that probably makes too much sense.
Time for some new ideas, like in other counties and other states. When someone gets arrested by a smaller department, they don't always overnight in the town lockup. They're transferred directly to the County Jail, sometimes even processed there, and left in the custody of sheriffs who get them directly to court. Sometimes, there's even a medical facility on the grounds of (or within) the jail so that prisoners can be treated and cleared for court all inside one building.
If Cook County won't go for that, perhaps it's time to shut down the outlying lockups and go back to five Areas. Prisoners are processed in the District of arrest, then sent to the Areas to await transport to court. Optimally, there's a trained paramedic in every Area lockup who can determine who gets Dramamine for being dope sick and who needs to see an actual doctor to get stitched together - you know, people actually qualified to make medical judgements to limit City taxpayer liability.
But that probably makes too much sense.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
56 Comments:
Shame on you SCC! How are scumbag connected Corporation Council lawyers supposed to make money off of these bs lawsuits.
Driving to work on midnights in 011, almost every night you could follow the the ambulance lights like a beacon to the front door of the station for a dope-sick prisoner. Much love to all the generations of CFD paramedics who ever worked "Killer 10."
How about stayin fetal. I know I’m gonna get the “I work my ass off everyday. I took an oath...” bla bla bla. Ok. So smart. Spend days. Weeks in fed court. Where they dredge your entire life out to people that couldn’t care less. Proactive policing is, in my opinion, becoming more n more dangerous. Most will not believe me. They’ll continue to do “their thing.” If you really knew what happens you’d think differently. But I’m just a “jaded” jagoff. Take a look around ya n see n ask yourselves: “where does self-preservation come in?”
024 needs a lockup.
If anything our union is ball less. Not a word heard from them after the 025th district Commander lied to the OIG about stealing citizen's tax dollars. The channel 2 news reporter even said that they reached out to both Police Headquarters and the Union whom both declined to comment. Our union President should have held a press conference bashing this asshole but we don't hear a fucking thing. I guess they expect the blog to do all their vocal work.
As far as McCarthy goes I think everyone will agree, (except for certain department members that are a little 'slow') that Compstat is ruining this organization. Most of these Police Commanders probably failed math and couldn't add without a 1980's calculator. Compstat is too complicated for these idiots to follow in a reasonable manner. All they know how to do is push numbers and try to kill crimes statistically. Do you really think McCarthy would kill his own creation with the ego he has? It would be ten times worse.
I got flak the last time I posted this but I don't care. Lightfoot would be better for us as Mayor then Gary. Unless your a proactive police officer, then you are playing Russian Roulette with your career. Just be reactive and barring any bad luck you should be fine. I feel bad for proactive cops but if they haven't gotten the memo yet then they are on their own. It's called Darwinism!
Whatever, he may not have earned $20 million in the span of 20 lifetimes… Quite the opposite, he would likely cost well over that in a single lifespan. Interestingly, a service member who has never been arrested, attended some college, has deployed to risk life and limb for their country is killed...their family is not given nearly as much for their service. Interesting concept that I will never, ever understand.
Great idea with lock up! But is anyone really locking anyone up anymore! They need to take the protect of our vehicles!
Oh please, stop it. You're not a doctor, the lockup personnel are not doctors. You don't play one on TV nor at work. If one of these fools gets sick, tell the desk sgt that you have one to go to the hospital and document the time of your request. Let them die in the hospital, where it will be hard to blame you for their death. Stop taking responsibility for these no account low lives that get arrested. They whine they are sick, off they go to the hospital, your liability just got diminished greatly. Tell me, are we really still going to risk our livelihoods for these bad actors in todays anti police environment?
Quit making drug arrests would be another good idea. If people want to kill themselves then go ahead. In this day and age of information everyone knows the dangers of heroin and cocaine. You can't stop stupid people from doing what they are going to do. It's usually the gang and tactical goofs that lock up some obese elderly ghetto female, that's already knocking on death's door, for dope possession. Then they hand over their hot potato and get an early duck and everyone else has to deal with their mutant arrestee that's wheezing and getting dope sick.
Yes it's difficult because of all the pretending to be ill to get out of the lock up and potentially a chance to escape or get an I Bond. Many years ago didn't Cook County jail have a hospital wing called the "Bridewell" ?
from Cook County jail wedsite
Spurred by a series of federal court orders and overcrowding, the CCDOC continued expanding the jail’s housing capacity.
Promising horizons
Sheriff Thomas J. Dart sponsored legislation such as the Rocket Docket, advocated for a cashless bond system and promoted electronic monitoring for non-violent offenders. Over the past decade, the total on-site detainee population went from near capacity to approximately 7,500 individuals. With less inmates to house, Division 5 is no longer an inmate housing unit, Divisions 3 and 17 were demolished, and Division 1, the “Bridewell” previously belonging to Chicago, has been decommissioned.
After more than 40 years of operating under the Department of Justice’s oversight, the Cook County Department of Corrections underwent a systematic overhaul and in 2017 was ruled in compliance with a federal consent decree.
Yeah if there are no criminal in jail that means they are all on the street victimizing us
Perhaps it's time to stop getting involved by stopping, detaining, chasing, arresting people. All of those actions will get you disciplined, sued or maybe charged and going to prision for doing your job. Let the concealed/carry people take over, recently a few good outcomes with them. Put yourself on autopilot and just enjoy the ride.
Just get locked up if you have any serious medical disorder. Piss on Rhams office window, that'll get it done. The payoff is worth the hassle.
In DuPage County they have nurses at the county jail. Except they are there to screen all incoming prisoners and if they claim to have any type of ailment the nurse refuses them and you have to take your arrestee to a hospital. It’s not easy sometimes explaining to an emergency room physician making $300,000 a year why they need to write down that your prisoner is “cleared for incarceration”.
Ever try to deal with an arrestee seamed to be a mental? Holy shit. Why can’t we take him directly to Cermak. Instead the arrested gets put on lock down in some hospital and we end up rwoc because we can’t be in the mental facility with weapons to stand guard. It is a total mess. How has this not been addressed yet?
I can almost hear him now...
Turnkey... turnkey.... TURNKEY!!!!!!
I needs a am-ba-lance. My assmuh hurtin’ and I can’t breeve.
Sending prayers GODSPEED brother:
Off-duty sheriff’s deputy killed in Mount Greenwood head-on crash
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/mount-greenwood-fatal-crash/
Completely OT but funny as hell !
https://www.theonion.com/snowstorm-in-chicago-delays-hundreds-of-morning-murders-1819574592
Yes. You are making too much sense. Stop it. “Chicago ain’t ready for reform.”
Little Tommy will never go for your idea. Too much effort in his part, and not enough pizza.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
They should all go to County. They got lots of room now.
Been saying this for a while that it would make sense to have a few areas with a paramedic or even nurse practitioner who can administer some medication and determine if an emergency exists as opposed to have to go to a hospital and sit on a prisoner for hours in a totally unsecure environment !
Just as it took Decades for the Chicago Police Department to get out of the business of handling dead bodies; it will take millions of dollars in lost litigation, and cops being fired, before the Department realizes that we are NOT in the business of running mini- jails! There is One Jail in Cook County, and they should be processing prisoners. Jails and Corrections is very different from Patrol and Enforcement! The concept of District or even Area lock-up facilities; is archaic in this era of a litigious society. Stay Strong! Baby "G"
To Funny SCC, County looks for any reason to reject a prisoner. Got a hang nail? Rejected. Got a scratch? Rejected. Have an ass ache? Rejected.
Gee, doesn't Ms Toni have a fully staffed hospital at the CCJ, Cermak right? Staffed with all kinds of employees who sort of hide at the bottom of the counties health care budget.
Must really be overworked there too, by the number of jail transports conducted daily to Sinai
How about don't arrest them at all. Give them a court date and let them all out on I bond. Just like they do on the border. This is what the Democrats that run our great city want. You want it you got it. Will make things much easier, and the jails and prisons will not be over crowded. They also want to disarm everyone to make it easier for the criminals to make a living. One thing at a time folks.
Funny thing is public schools by law have a community asthma inhaler for emergency.
How much money would that save to give these dope fiend an inhaler in lock up just to shut them up.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Oh please, stop it. You're not a doctor, the lockup personnel are not doctors. You don't play one on TV nor at work. If one of these fools gets sick, tell the desk sgt that you have one to go to the hospital and document the time of your request. Let them die in the hospital, where it will be hard to blame you for their death. Stop taking responsibility for these no account low lives that get arrested. They whine they are sick, off they go to the hospital, your liability just got diminished greatly. Tell me, are we really still going to risk our livelihoods for these bad actors in todays anti police environment?
1/22/2019 01:02:00 AM
Are you kidding? If you take an arrestee to a hospital, the city is on the hook for all their bills....
Who cares what they give away. It just means the bankruptcy is one million closer.
A million here three million there what do they care the next tax increase will cover it. Rest assured there will be a tax increase the likes of which you have never seen. Fat Cat and new Democratic Mayor will be coming for whatever monies you might have left. Then and only then will you be allowed to leave Illinois. Whatever state you might land end please stop the stupid Democratic support.
The dumb ass running for mayor of YOUR city is correct about times are changing. It's time that you, the cops, change with the times.
Cops use to be the protectors of society. Society, at least in Chicago, no longer wants you to protect them. You cops are banging your head against the wall. The rock them, sock them days of policing are in the past. Go to the calls, call every asshole, regardless of age, sir and madam, tell them it is either a civil problem or you'll take a report and submit it for judicial review. Don't charge the sound of gunfire, take your time and the problem will resolve itself before you get there.
The fewer cops on the street the more opportunities for the community to celebrate its culture.
Nobody commented on the length of time this lawsuit has been languishing. Four effing years???? How's that for confidence in our court system that a pile of paper sits on some judge's desk for four effing years! How in hell could anybody still remember facts of the case unless it was scribbled down on paper that has yet to be supenaed? Sounds like an outright award to the family of the decendent.
Prayers for off duty and injured person he struck .
Slow up , speed kills .
A large step forward would be for the city to challenge these lawsuits instead of always rolling over, offering no resistance and paying out.
Do the paramedics have a blog? Sure would like to read their thoughts on all this. Maybe they could be invited to say a few words.
The Millon’Dolla Man...and suppose the estate of Charles EdwardJones (sounds financially viable) can now reimburse the city for all his contributions to the life of crime, property loss, medical costs and arrest processing costs like copier paper (a huge expense) with their own civil suit.
Of course firstly the bottom feeder attorney still gets his 40% cut before the city.
Think they once proposed civil judgements against deadbeats but took backlash from the caucus and the commurnity, putting a lickity-split kibosh on it.
Any watch commander who doesn’t send sick prisoners to the hospital is a fucking fool
Or......Coppers could stop leaving prisoners unattended, ignoring them or trying to convince them they don't need to go to the hospital so, ya know, so the copper won't have to stay late.
FOP should have to insure each officer.
Geez. Still have nightmares about the old” I have chest pains” or “ I blacked out when they arrested me” routine. 24 hour baby sitters club. Paid to watch bullshitters eat sandwiches and drink juice like small children...all on the taxpayers dime. Also, a car down for every shift. Funny, most of the half dead dopers had not seen a doctor in decades. Waiting for the mitimus or county to show..
I'm sure county wouldn't go for it, but I've long said non bondable arrestees should just go to Cermak Hospital when they complain they need to see a Dr. Other arrestees should be printed and given an I-bond so we don't have to deal with the hospital details. They are getting I-bonds anyway. I'm sure it would cut down on a lot of requests to visit the hospital if they knew they were going to Cermak regardless.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Do the paramedics have a blog? Sure would like to read their thoughts on all this. Maybe they could be invited to say a few words.
1/22/2019 09:52:00 AM
My son is CFD paramedic, the things they go through dealing with the thugs and animals is incredible, they earn that salary he averages 20 runs in 24 hours, so unlike the sleeping firemen the "sick truck," is always rolling! We could use less firemen and more paramedics without a doubt.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Oh please, stop it. You're not a doctor, the lockup personnel are not doctors. You don't play one on TV nor at work. If one of these fools gets sick, tell the desk sgt that you have one to go to the hospital and document the time of your request. Let them die in the hospital, where it will be hard to blame you for their death. Stop taking responsibility for these no account low lives that get arrested. They whine they are sick, off they go to the hospital, your liability just got diminished greatly. Tell me, are we really still going to risk our livelihoods for these bad actors in todays anti police environment?
1/22/2019 01:02:00 AM
Are you kidding? If you take an arrestee to a hospital, the city is on the hook for all their bills....
1/22/2019 08:40:00 AM
The city is on the hook? So what. Better then you being hit with punitive damages for failing to get medical care for an arrestee.
You so funny, SSC
Blogger IFIYGD said...
"I can almost hear him now...
Turnkey... turnkey.... TURNKEY!!!!!!
I needs a am-ba-lance. My assmuh hurtin’ and I can’t breeve."
1/22/2019 04:35:00 AM
Lol!
Sometimes the threat of being bundled onto that 0530
"Bluebird" wearing a paper jumpsuit was enough to put
a stop to the lyin' and play cryin'.
Especially if it was say December to March...
It's L/U... Sometimes entertaining shit can happen.
Right?
Once, some big, fat female thing was crying
about she needs da am-ba-lance...
>Siren Flashing Lights<
"What's wrong?"
"UHHHHNNN... >Sniffle!< I think I gots da bloat!"
They ain't nothin' if'n they ain't entertainin'.
Hail Fella...
Good to see you're still on post.
Green Box Chevy...
One white-wall tire.
Four different hubcaps
for $5 from Maxwell St.
No plates...
"Para Vende! Cheep!"
Says the sign in the window...
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Im AOK with county doing my transport. When i call for a cage car a county van can show up. Lets use 26thCal for what its supposed to be for. It will free up beat cars and they can even take over wagon duty for all i care.
Picking up or dropping off.....
We got a lake. A Great Lake.
We got rivers.
We got lots and lots of dumpsters. Hordes of dumpsters.
Vacant & abandoned hovels.
Lagoons here and there.
Alleys galore.
Vacant lots up the wahzoo.
And some still make the arrest.
Go figure.
For all the monies that Crook County collects and being one of America's biggest county jails. Cook County Jail is one of the most inefficient operating jails in the nation.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
024 needs a lockup
Lololololol who does 024 arrest to need a lockup now that is funny!
I'm retired CPD, I now work part time for a small town south of chicago, when an arrest is made the subject is immediately transported to the county jail where they process and house the arrestee. leave a narrative with the deputy and they do the rest,
Why not just take the subject to a hospital for medical treatment ?????
Just have a beat car take the subject to a hospital for medical treatment. Save the city from a lawsuit!
Cook County doesn't do many things well, but one of the very few things it does well is refusing to take prisoners from CPD and suburban agencies as well. "Iss no my yobb" is one of their favorite mottos. Can't tell you how many times they wouldn't take guys wanted on their own warrants. They are one really fucked up agency. Zero cooperation. Thanks for nuttin!
its because the citys lawyer always say the people hate the police we will lose so we going to settle on every case. that falsely puts blame on innocent officers. sad and pathetic
ACUCHEK anyone?
Lawyer= lowest form of fecal waste!
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