Detective Division Shakeup?
From an e-mailer:
- Whats with the war brewing with OCD and Staples in the BOD. She just pulled all the detectives out of long term investigation partnered with OCD.
Something like 16 detectives had details cancelled and were sent back to areas. Is someone noticing the 15% clearance rate isn't getting any better and perhaps all hands ought to be on deck in Chicago before loaning out bodies for other stuff?
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
153 Comments:
send back the financial crimes 606 pikers at the fbi too...they haven't done anything there in over 4 years
Jesus just make a class of two hundred and open all areas back up already
Same time all the overpaid teachers in academy as a detective are getting sent back to areas. That also applies to in house FTOS who sare getting put out onto the street. About fucking time, if those overpaid teachers want to stay at the academy or hide in headquarters, drop your pay and stripes and continue hiding as regular pos
She's turned into a moron who is over her head.
No. It's just that detectives there weren't doing any detective work. It was a waste.
Great move. Detectives were absolutely milking OT with OCD bringing in minimal to no results.
Maybe STAPLES is annoyed they’re pulling from the BOD budget and they’ll figure out a way to have dicks in OCD from their own budget?
Slightly OT...
What would it take to make dicks a rank between PO and Sgt? They’d be considered supervisors on paper and voila, CPD gains 1000 supervisors overnight. It would make sense in some ways when they arrive on crime scenes and request POs and ETs to do things or extend perimeters and interview officers for various incidents. I’m curious why it isn’t an actual rank. They have different stars and shields even. It would be mostly symbolic I guess and help with that consent decree.
Why do we even have detectives? How many of them have justified their existence? Maybe i shouldn't talk because i'm on patrol and don't do a damn thing.
Sooooo, around 16 clouted detectives are going to actually have to earn some of their money ? I recall the detective we had detailed to our unit NEVER left his desk and didn’t do a lick of work. Then he magically made meritorious SGT. I’m fairly certain he currently has a narcotics team. Earned, not given.
or maybe she realizes that a detective making D2A pay should actually be investigating crimes...
More likely trying to protect them from the ongoing investigation. They will greatly appreciate not being there anymore in a few months.
Sure. Because dumping someone is a surefure way to get them to work.
Anyone who has assisted in investigations should know that even though there should be more detectives- it’s a simple truth that more detectives wouldn’t greatly affect the clearance rate. There are a lot of factors at play here in Chicago that prevent good detectives, who actually care, from closing their cases. Lack of cooperation/witnesses/ghetto culture, felony review, any number of things. 16 more detectives won’t negate any of the biggest factors.
I’m not a detective, but work in OCD.
SOME of those detectives were actually very helpful in conducting investigations, and able to access certain things that 9161’s can’t.
However, OCD got greedy and kept pulling over more and more dics for positions that didn’t exactly need to be filled by a detective.
I don’t know what the pissing match is about, but it’s sad to see something that is operationally helpful get scrapped because a few bosses are butt-hurt.
Sanchez is shooting his mouth off that he is going to be the next Supt. He just maybe if Mendoza wins. But until then he should shut his mouth.
There should be no merit for Detective you can't produce then you get dumped.
Well it’s about time! I guess she finally realized it’s totally useless to have them in OCD. Ghost payrolls and cushy hide-outs are finally coming to an end.
The swipe clocks are revealing a lot.
Clearance rate is really 5%.
Might be ZERO by the end of summer.
You mean the clout babies that spent their entire career in OCD and then got their meritorious promotion can’t go back and do their old job for more pay? The nerve of Chief Staples.
Shitbird from OCD just got locked up in the 11th Dist Special Ed isn't happy 😊 with his ass
Details of detectives are cancelled but yet some detectives will be sent to summer mobile
The ghetto code of “ no snitching “ don’t help either.
The Detective Division can use all the help they can get. The 15 percent clearance rate is more the product of quantity of detectives rather than quality. i would put the CPD's detectives against anyone in the country but they need sufficient manpower to do the job. The surest way of knocking down the murder numbers is by catching the shooters. The fuller the penitentiary, the safer the streets.
Greatest leadership clout can buy!
15% my ass
It looks like 9 to 10% when you read the computer stats online.
They are even fudging the computer number to gain points.
Like 15% looks better?
Anyone can look at them but no one does the simple math?
They take what the boss gives them.
Open the number up to the public and see what really come out?
Maybe because 12 of them are tied up in the hoax attack of Jussie Smollet?
The "All hands on Deck" explanation would make sense, so it can't be that. Probably a Boo Boo Kitty scenario.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Sixteen detectives will not make a difference. You need another thousand. The state's attorney who lets people out of jail who have already been caught so they can commit more crimes is not helping matters.
City Budget Office and IG are demanding an assessment of details. Patrol will be affected too.
Forget promoting more people let’s just go with the typical knee jerk reaction and piss everybody off. That should work just fine. Maybe come up with a plan to make HGS more desirable to work. Currently unless you like A getting sued and B always questioned as to why cases are not cleared, there really is no advantage working HGS. They even screwed with OT. Maybe, sense we seem to like NYPD so much we should implement a Detective grade. Start out in general assignment and those that work hard and clear case get promoted up with a pay increase and work HGS cases. There’s and idea. Maybe you promote Sgt’s and Lt’s from within the DD Division and stay in the DD Division. There’s another good idea. Even if we did implement these changes the exempts would screw it up with merit hacks bosses kids and boyfriend/girlfriends. Never mind let’s just keep this failure of a department rolling down the tracks until we fall off a cliff.
Typical CPD reaction by a boss who's just looking to survive herself. As if we don't have enough to deal with we have the ACLU, COPA, the media and bosses like her. Suicide in our department is up because you don't have our backs. Looks like all she has insight is the Golden pension and be damn if anyone gets in the way. Just like patrol get out there and get me an ISR, an arrest a number and don't worry about COPA, IPRA, OPS, media, ACLU. Yep, acting as a true motivator she got her broom out and beat the troops. We all saw how well that worked in patrol where partners were separated, start times were changed and day offs were denied.
The clearance rate is 10 %!
Whats with the war brewing with OCD and Staples in the BOD. She just pulled all the detectives out of long term investigation partnered with OCD.
Lets be honest, "long term investigations" simply put are shuffling papers, shopping and long lunches until retirement...
Boo hoo, cry me a River. The scam is over, welcome back. If you’re not in the Detective Division let me enlighten you to what these detective details entail... A Federal TASKFORCE spot- which is what this post is discussing ( Dets detailed to the ATF, DEA, FBI in this case) are all a huge farce.
Perks: it’s basically old school tact on steroids. The attire- jeans and a T-shirt, take home cars for everyone, a cell phone,ZERO supervision, oh and don’t forget all the overtime that the feds pay for so CPD could careless how much you run up on those “long term investigations”.
All those murders they’re clearing?????? You mean the ones the US Atty reviews and decided to pursue- those 10-15 murders last several years before they are cleared? How many murders were open and then cleared with a charge of MURDER? Ha, yeah that’s the smoking gun. The answer is a handful. The rest are all Exceptionally cleared.
A detective working murders in one of the areas is a much more productive officer that will Clear more cases than the junior G man playing lackey to a federal agent.
Nothing lasts forever and I remember a few years ago two of these Dets bragging on the Area floor how they were going to retire out of this detail and they’d never have to deal with a dead body again, an uncooperative witness, or Dept bullshit. I guess you shouldn’t count your chickens before they’re hatched. Welcome back to the Area- now take this murder on your Friday. Lol.
However you look at it - 15% is low. You can't put a positive spin on that. Especially when the national homicide clearance rate is 59.4%. But here in CPD we accept it and the clouted will have their cushy spots.
Hopefully, the next mayor will do more than this one has. All the politicians want to do is enrich themselves and get reelected. It's a shame. You think 15% of anything would fly in the private sector?
Actually not all, 3 stayed, 2 related to Riccio and 50 year old Sammy Hagar who is Riccio’s nephews partner.
Lets watch them all scramble to get positions on 2nd watch when they hit the areas. They wont be there long. They are used to working days, and getting great furlo picks. They will eventually assimilate into another assignment after their phone calls to their masters.
For now, I hope CMO case assignment is hammering them.
Maybe the se detectives are assigned to find offenders with bleach , rope and long fingernails that scratch men in 20 degree below zero weather , that would make sense .
nonymous said...
Well it’s about time! I guess she finally realized it’s totally useless to have them in OCD. Ghost payrolls and cushy hide-outs are finally coming to an end.
2/04/2019 03:36:00 AM
Knowing the police department and the democratic political class in this town, I highly doubt this. It will never end as will the " downtown dollies" will never end.
15 got sent back and another 12-15 of the most clouted(Riccio’s people) were allowed to stay although reassigned to other duties
This is a pissing contest between Staples and Sanchez over money.
Release more people from prison and get rid of the bail system.
This is the shake-up, Detectives being sent back to the area's? A shake-up in my mind is a bunch of these meritorious Supervisors, clout dicks, and inside fucks dumped.
Stop kidding yourself, the clear-up rate is right around 8% and that's a fact.
You mean the clout babies that spent their entire career in OCD and then got their meritorious promotion can’t go back and do their old job for more pay? The nerve of Chief Staples.
2/04/2019 05:00:00 AM
This has gotta happen every 5 years or so. Clemenza.
You need maybe 1500 detectives, but will need more because some are becoming sgts. Some may be retiring. We need more E.T.s more investigators at Cook County M.E. office. I could go on. But no point to it.
How many detectives are there, 1000+-??? Does anyone really think adding 15 back into the fold is going to help with the clearance rate? The “clearance rate” excuse is just a lie to cover up the fact that a couple of bosses are in a pissing match and the involved detectives are merely pawns in their game. BTW, not alllll the OCD detectives went back to the Areas. A few golden children (connected to a certain high-ranking boss) remained. Those select few must be the hardest working of the bunch ��.
City Budget Office and IG are demanding an assessment of details. Patrol will be affected too.
2/04/2019 07:22:00 AM
OMG! Will this impact 9.5's hiring of 1,000 "fictional" additional officers?
She is doing what she is told and will be well rewarded after she leaves CPD, not unlike all of those who have come before her. Like it or not “It’s The Chicago Way”
Who has the actual clearance rates that are used monthly at comp stat?
15% Staples rearranges deck chairs. Totally clueless leader. How many merit bumps for her? Almost anyone could do a better job than her.
Anonymous said...
She's turned into a moron who is over her head.
Lol, that’s funny. “She’s a moron” says the detective coming back to the Area. Bye bye free gasoline for the take home car. Guess what, if you think it’s gonna be bad- it will be worse. The area doesn’t have enough cars for every det and if you think you’re coming back and getting an assigned car think again. You’ll be getting the shitbox car with 300k miles & no heat.
Oh she is just pounding her chest . . . . . nothing new here. After the new Sup comes in let see where she stands.
you want to see greed and milking OT take a look at 177!
Any word for when and how many for an upcoming detective class???
Indictments coming to OCD. Many of them. They’re pulling the Dicks (shut up, Keesing Bandit) before conflicts of interest further interfere with the Feds cases. The Sgt and the POs on the team that were arrested out of Homan months ago are almost done with their GJ testimony, this is gonna make PacMan and the Austin crew look like angels. This from family member involved in the operation. Time for more popcorn.
Clear out the Detectives from HQ
Those detective lines in OCDs budget were for Gang Crime Specialists. They always belonged to OCD and at one time there were about 75 of them. So in reality what has happened is OCD is getting fucked out of 75 bodies. It just took the DD 10 years to do it.
I wonder how many detectives will write a PEN register or a COH or a TIII. I’ll guess about 5 and they all worked at OCD. Not anymore. Just continue nuke to destroy any spread of a department we have left.
What would it take to make dicks a rank between PO and Sgt?
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Or make it a pay grade the same as sgt but not a rank. Something like how the army pays specialists and corporals at the same pay grade but they are not the same rank.
What ever happened to the 50 supervisors Johnson said would be assigned to the detective division after the 1st of the year?? Or did they get secretly assigned already??
Why is the clearance rate so low? The obvious reasons are lack of cooperation of victims and witnesses, the states attorneys office but more importantly is the time it takes to get evidence processed by ISP..
If you think a detective is going to charge a case on a single eye eyewitness statement or a jail snitch statement or a offender confession without evidence to corroborate the statements— you’re crazy. Why should we do it, so the witness, jail snitch or offender can recant their statement years later and say the detectives threatened them or beat them to give the statements or confessions . The case will get dragged out through the courts for decades, everyone recants their statements or confessions, the detective is made out to be the criminal and the offender walks free and the now retired detective will get sued.
Give detectives the tools to do their job and maybe the clearance rate will increase. For now on all cases charged will be evidence based and not just by statements only- sorry, it’s the safest way for a detective.
Bring back the mobile crime lab, PFI’s and give them the proper tools and equipment to do their job. Bring back our own CPD crime lab.
If you ever visited othe big cities detective divisions and seen how it looks and how its ran and compare it to our detective divisions areas—— it’s a joke! The detective division area should look like a business office with the most up to date computers and investigative software. The interview rooms should not be in the same area where the detectives desks are, you can’t even discuss the case with your peers at your desk without the offender listening in through the door of everything that is said.
True story, I had a juvenile in custody for a homicide so I only had 24hrours to charge the case, I needed to run something on accurint, there wasn’t one supervisor on the floor that has access to accurint. Yes that is correct the detectives do not have access to accurint only some supervisors in the detective division have access.
Like everything else in this department, the city is running the detective division on the cheap. If you invest money into the detective division now it will eventually cut down on overtime in the future. Detectives have to make all kinds of unnecessary extra steps to get from point A to point B to point C.. all because the department does not give them the tools to do their job.
And by the way, you need to fire or demote or reassign Jon Lewin, his grasp of computer technology is outdated and pretty much nonexistent —— he’s a joke to be matter of fact, a conartist. In the business world he would’ve been laughed at and fired a long time ago.
And 4 detectives to a car is not ok either, for Christ sakes buy some cars for the detective division please
Remember you get what you pay for, shit in, shit out. = low clearance rate!!!!!!!!
Anonymous said...
The ghetto code of “ no snitching “ don’t help either.
2/04/2019 05:26:00 AM
Get over this BS. Do you think this is a new phenomenon ? Been going on for 50 years, detectives NEVER have had help from the neighborhood and the ghetto code of “no snitching” has always been there
Who really gives a rat's ass !!!!!!
She's turned into a moron who is over her head.
2/04/2019 12:15:00 AM
She's always been in over her head.
Mist Sgts in the D unit don’t know how to supervise the dets. Half of them don’t read the piss poor closing reports, don’t ask questions and rubber stamp shoddy investigations. Start there. If dets aren’t meeting a set standard, dump back to patrol. Too many simply show up for work, take 3hour lunch breaks, then finish the watch by socializing on their cell phones or surfing the internet.
How about a shakeup at the Academy?? Is there a reason to have over 300 po’s assigned there? Just finished Use of Force 2. At one point there were 12 “instructors” in the room. There is an army of scared pos in that room adjacent to the cafeteria, just walk by they can be seen cowering in their cubicles. Reading from a power point isn’t teaching. Plenty of districts could use some rapids, stop hiding...the bodycams aren’t that scary! If you wanna stay in any admin capacity then take a 15% pay cut. Oh, and the “training” hits all the buzzwords, transparency, building trust, accountability, give them a voice/listen. I paid attention the entire time and learned nothing, it’s common sense. At least wear our uniform not some stupid polo shirt and tacticool bdus.
Could it be that the feds are demanding an accounting of the funds they provided to pay for some OT?
could it be that a certain SGT is ratting out anyone he can to get better treatment when it comes to sentencing?
a lot of records being looked at very closely right now.
inquiring minds want to know.
City Hall micromanaging shit they know nothing about. Next before I lock someone up I’ll call the dumb ass mayor and ask him if I have probable cause or not. These scumbag politicians get the department they want and they are still not happy. Assholes
Calling back all diplomats usually means the embassy is at high risk.
Maybe somethings wrong at OCD.
Maybe it’s not representative enough.
Q: How many ranks can one expect to be dumped back should it become known that merit discussion conversations may have been recorded ?
Any hoot,
if The Cook Co States Community Activist Office isn’t doing their job and routinely denies 85% of Felonies or puts them in limbo until video, audio, evidence all shows something plea worthy...then there just ain’t no need for no Deetectives. Bloat the ASA Office and their advocates will do the paper shuffle.
That’s $millions of dollar savings for Sanctuary Relief - thank you very much says the next new progressive mayor.
Clearences by arrest also means misdemeanor charges, but lack of evidence and complaining witnesses leads to the usual false arrest allegations. Another reason not to even stretch for any arrest of the violent armed feral. You got nothing kid.
Another win-win to keep Cook Co Restorative Justice lawyer referral program viable and generous donors for various campaigns.
(2019 Mayoral Candidate FunFact: Fioretti made his law firm money practicing civil rights and getting Daley settlements against police.)
All aboard the 21st Century Fundamental Transformation train.
It will take atleast 15years to fix the D unit. They had that 03 detectives list up for way too long pulled a bunch of low scoring slugs. And everyone is baffled why everything gets suspended. Come on man..
Hahaha I love it the detectives in OCD are useless send them all back!! Long term investigations my ass anyone can take he place of what that detectives do in OCD. Not a big loss at all!
Slightly OT...
What would it take to make dicks a rank between PO and Sgt? They’d be considered supervisors on paper and voila, CPD gains 1000 supervisors overnight. It would make sense in some ways when they arrive on crime scenes and request POs and ETs to do things or extend perimeters and interview officers for various incidents. I’m curious why it isn’t an actual rank. They have different stars and shields even. It would be mostly symbolic I guess and help with that consent decree.
2/04/2019 12:23:00 AM
Lol. Like a merit dick, (emphasis on the dick) would know what to doom n scene, let alone get a PO to take orders from. Lol lol lol
Just wait until they tell their mommy, daddy, auntie, uncle or whoever their clout was.
Then you'll be sorry (hahahaha)
City Budget Office and IG are demanding an assessment of details. Patrol will be affected too.
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Big time audit going on. Some inconsistencies were noted that may have been fraud. Some people are going to jail and some people who approved time when they should not have are going to take some time off. Give it another 2 or 3 months.
They can't possibly fire or charge everyone involved so the worst offenders probably go to jail, get to retire, or take serious suspensions, and everyone else gets a few days off and gets to pay back what the audit shows was unearned.
Not the only place this is going on though. It is supposedly department wide.
those who are at serious risk should go see their attorney now, before they can no longer help you due to conflicts of interest with other coppers looking to rat you out to save themselves. best bet is to retire now if you can and hope the city decides not to go after retirees.
flop won't be able to help you either as some of them are in the same boat, although it would not be surprising if the city let them off the hook in exchange for contract givebacks.
won't it be nice to try and testify in court while having to admit to being a thief? i can just see the defense attorneys framing the questions now.
Staples. Great boss.
Anonymous said...
The Detective Division can use all the help they can get. The 15 percent clearance rate is more the product of quantity of detectives rather than quality. i would put the CPD's detectives against anyone in the country but they need sufficient manpower to do the job. The surest way of knocking down the murder numbers is by catching the shooters. The fuller the penitentiary, the safer the streets.
2/04/2019 06:27:00 AM
Negative. The current clearance rate, pathetic as it is, is a direct result of the staffing of incompetent supervisors. Incompetent yes men, that were never detectives or had minimum experience as detectives. These clout baby ass kissers have no concept of how to investigate a bag of chips, but are expected to offer guidance to the masses of new detectives that have been recently promoted. This lack of investigative experience has also made it difficult for these hacks to call out the dogs on their shoddy investigations. Stop making excuses, CPD, FIX your Detective Division!
auditors are everywhere.
god help anyone who falsified a time record or signed off on one.
How about a roll call of current D-Unit supervisors with actual detective experience? At least 5-6 years of working handouts, in custodies or self-initiated arrests after putting a case together?
Sgts? Not many. Lts? Haha cmon now. Exempts??? Some but not all. And that should definitely be a requirement!
Staples is not a moron, you are jagballs. She's a smart boss, and your next Superintedent, WTFU
Let's call it what it really is. 85% failure rate. Actually back out all the gimmes police shooting suicides ect. and it is hovering around 12%. Which means almost 90% of murderers will get away with it. Guess the sanctuary status applies to killers as well. Nice job Staples, do city a favor and walk away your a misrible failure.
Staples was a moron to begin with and has only gotten worse. Complete failure on all levels absolutely no redeeming qualities.
All the other Democratic cites have the same gang no snitch thing going on and are getting very good results. Not a community problem but a leadership problem from very top of detective division to all middle managers. Merit hacks that know nothing.
If your a Merit hack reading this pleases look into nearest mirror. What you se3 looking back is the heart of the CPD problems.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
The Detective Division can use all the help they can get. The 15 percent clearance rate is more the product of quantity of detectives rather than quality. i would put the CPD's detectives against anyone in the country but they need sufficient manpower to do the job. The surest way of knocking down the murder numbers is by catching the shooters. The fuller the penitentiary, the safer the streets.
2/04/2019 06:27:00 AM
Yes, you are partially right on this. CPD and the city have always liked to do things on the cheap and never give the detective the resources that they really need to solve crimes. But, the flip side of this goes along with the rest of the negative comments made here; poor supervision, no accountability for detectives or supervisors, lousy reporting and record system, people who make merit detective that never should have made it, supervisors who never were detectives and have no real idea what to do. This has been the case for decades and it does not look like it is going to change anytime soon. The Chicago political class will not let go of their patronage control on the department unless they are forced to. No sergeant or lieutenant or commander for that matter should be assigned to the detective division unless they actually were working detectives. It has become the hiding ground for those with some clout. Add missing files and reports and coverups for those with clout and you see why there is a very low clearance rate.
Remember you get what you pay for, shit in, shit out. = low clearance rate!!!!!!!!
2/04/2019 12:06:00 PM
your entire post hits the nail on the head. And, this has been going on for decades and will only change when the department is forced to change. Everything was OK when the killings were only in black areas. Now, that crime is spreading around the city the administration is starting to get concerned. Probably the lowest homicide clearance rate in the nation.
Start with getting RID of OCD and INTELLIGENCE these P.O'S are running investigations and doing more/having more access/carte blanch than Detectives....Talking to these guys like "I thought I was the Detective"...ALL investigations should be done by the detectives........ Next get rid of these SGTS who have not been DET's........Then Make MORE E.T.'s....finally we don't need more supervision, we need better trained OFFICERS.....we rarely ever called the SGT for anything and he/she did not want to be bothered....IF you can't write paper(8th grade writers)/fight/drive...hell THINK then you should not be a cop....get rid of them during the hiring process and the FTO periods....
Staples, along with EVERY other chief in our department is a merit lt. When are we going to wake up and stop promoting these goofs to positions of importance within the department. And the worst part is that most of them think they are actually smart. Until things change regarding our promotional process we will continue to see this and be the laughing stock of the country.
Gang teams going back to districts.
Anonymous said...
City Budget Office and IG are demanding an assessment of details. Patrol will be affected too.
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Big time audit going on. Some inconsistencies were noted that may have been fraud. Some people are going to jail and some people who approved time when they should not have are going to take some time off. Give it another 2 or 3 months.
They can't possibly fire or charge everyone involved so the worst offenders probably go to jail, get to retire, or take serious suspensions, and everyone else gets a few days off and gets to pay back what the audit shows was unearned.
Not the only place this is going on though. It is supposedly department wide.
those who are at serious risk should go see their attorney now, before they can no longer help you due to conflicts of interest with other coppers looking to rat you out to save themselves. best bet is to retire now if you can and hope the city decides not to go after retirees.
flop won't be able to help you either as some of them are in the same boat, although it would not be surprising if the city let them off the hook in exchange for contract givebacks.
won't it be nice to try and testify in court while having to admit to being a thief? i can just see the defense attorneys framing the questions now.
2/04/2019 03:19:00 PM
You talk about the union not helping them how can the union help them? You’re basically saying they are thieves they are criminals they don’t deserve union representation then why waste the money that we pay union dues to represent criminals we represent the good guys remember that?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It will take atleast 15years to fix the D unit. They had that 03 detectives list up for way too long pulled a bunch of low scoring slugs. And everyone is baffled why everything gets suspended. Come on man..
2/04/2019 01:58:00 PM
You obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about! Also, a low score is better than a number 5000 out merit! At least it WAS a score...
OCD is a scam unit. Just a place to go for massive overtime and to retire with big hours on the books. It’s no coincidence they all have tons of hours. No slips burned.
The ship is sinking.
Including last class, detectives are at 1186
Lazy, uninspired patrolmen = even lazier, uninspired detectives. Do the math!
Staples was Anthony Escamilla's merit sponsor. I'm sure she knows what she's doing.
Indictments coming to OCD. Many of them. They’re pulling the Dicks (shut up, Keesing Bandit) before conflicts of interest further interfere with the Feds cases. The Sgt and the POs on the team that were arrested out of Homan months ago are almost done with their GJ testimony, this is gonna make PacMan and the Austin crew look like angels. This from family member involved in the operation. Time for more popcorn.
Please tell me how the PO and Sgt from Gang Enforcement have knowledge of anything going on with OCD. They were under patrol most recently, the only thing that team had to do with OCD when this happened was they shared the same building. The Sgt. had OCD experience as a PO about 10 years ago and all those cases have already run their course.
Negative. The current clearance rate, pathetic as it is, is a direct result of the staffing of incompetent supervisors. Incompetent yes men, that were never detectives or had minimum experience as detectives. These clout baby ass kissers have no concept of how to investigate a bag of chips, but are expected to offer guidance to the masses of new detectives that have been recently promoted. This lack of investigative experience has also made it difficult for these hacks to call out the dogs on their shoddy investigations. Stop making excuses, CPD, FIX your Detective Division!
2/04/2019 04:05:00 PM
Very well stated, I couldn’t have said it better myself. Whose idea was it to assigned supervisors to the D-Unit that were never detectives? Out of 10 supervisors, only 3 were detectives. On the other hand, you should be happy that they are clueless, therefore you can continue to steal overtime ...looking for surveillance videos that doesn’t exists.
Homicide/Shooting Investigations: 1 drive-by canvass +1 GPR =Suspend
Now what? Dump them from OCD to the Areas and watch them run to CMO or screening. How is that going to solve the 9% Homicide Clearance rate? The dumped dicks are calling around looking cushy spots already.
Anonymous said...
Those detective lines in OCDs budget were for Gang Crime Specialists. They always belonged to OCD and at one time there were about 75 of them. So in reality what has happened is OCD is getting fucked out of 75 bodies. It just took the DD 10 years to do it.
2/04/2019 11:24:00 AM
Not true. Gang Crime Specialists titles have been gone for over 16 years. Back then they got rid of the title of GCS and Youth and every one became Detectives. Yes, some detectives were detailed to OCD, but never assigned. So there could not be any lines budgeted for GCS in OCD. Not that any of this matters to most, the fact is detectives need to be in the detective division. PO's can handle OCD task forces just fine.
06:27. Sounds like someone is throwing a temper tantrum because they can’t get promoted. You don’t have a clue how the Det Div works. There are dogasses everywhere on this Dept. AND again, for the clowns that don’t listen. That 17% is for the the solved murders for 2018 only. That doesn’t include all the murders we solved last year from the previous years. If you were a Det, you would know that, and know that the liberal media running with that doesn’t have a clue. Area North was at 49%, Area Central was 50%,and South was 30%. Those are the actual numbers for 2018.
Detective will never be a rank like sergeant. Simple reason is the need to
have a 1000 bodies to put in blue uniforms when the city needs them to guard
Water tower and other high profile targets when the shit hits the fan.
Slightly OT...
What would it take to make dicks a rank between PO and Sgt? They’d be considered supervisors on paper and voila, CPD gains 1000 supervisors overnight. It would make sense in some ways when they arrive on crime scenes and request POs and ETs to do things or extend perimeters and interview officers for various incidents. I’m curious why it isn’t an actual rank. They have different stars and shields even. It would be mostly symbolic I guess and help with that consent decree.
2/04/2019 12:23:00 AM
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It’s not a rank because that would require another pay grade. They are police officers assigned as detective. Same as police officer assigned to the marine unit, mounted unit, traffic unit, etc. Should they all be called a supervisor too and get a rank?
It’s also not a rank because they are not supervisors, nor are they trained as such, for anything beyond the managing of a crime scene. They can tell a patrol Sgt. to pound sand if they want to, when it comes to the crime scene. Beyond that, they have no supervisory responsibility or training. They also may have no desire to be a supervisor, beyond the scope of their investigation. They investigate. That’s what they do. They don’t answer radio calls when some hood rat is screaming “I’z wants a white shirt.”
It would help zero with a consent degree because it would make the department look even dumber and more crooked than it looks already, simply trying to call a detective a supervisor and saying that meets some sort of compliance standard. You want to look like a real imbecile, go ahead and suggest that to the federal oversight personnel.
Gang teams should never have been taken out of the districts. Good coppers new the players and their gangs.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
you want to see greed and milking OT take a look at 177!
Hit the nail on the head hear!! Tell me why is it that the inside people in the forensic unit make more overtime than the ET's who are actually on the streeet working the crime scenes? If that is not a smack right in the face to the hard working ET's I don't know what is. Let's just walk around the Holman track some more on overtime what a joke!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Those detective lines in OCDs budget were for Gang Crime Specialists. They always belonged to OCD and at one time there were about 75 of them. So in reality what has happened is OCD is getting fucked out of 75 bodies. It just took the DD 10 years to do it.
2/04/2019 11:24:00 AM
Not true. Gang Crime Specialists titles have been gone for over 16 years. Back then they got rid of the title of GCS and Youth and every one became Detectives. Yes, some detectives were detailed to OCD, but never assigned. So there could not be any lines budgeted for GCS in OCD. Not that any of this matters to most, the fact is detectives need to be in the detective division. PO's can handle OCD task forces just fine.
2/04/2019 07:50:00 PM
You may want to get your facts straight, Detectives have been and still are “assigned” to OCD.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Staples was a moron to begin with and has only gotten worse. Complete failure on all levels absolutely no redeeming qualities.
2/04/2019 05:45:00 PM
You must be talking about a different Melissa Staples than the one I worked for in Area Four, because she is one of the best bosses I have ever had the pleasure of working for. The lady is smart and she has no problem being on the front line with the troops.
The low clearance rate is directly attributed to the Felony review process, No other major city has anything akin to our Felony review. They investigate, arrest and present the case to the local (A.S.A., District Attorney, Whatever). Our clearance rate pales in comparison to other major cities MOSTLY because of Felony review. That's why we need to elect McCarthy. He HATES Felony review and will eliminate it ASAP when he becomes mayor. Let Kim Fox and Toni Prickwinlke explain to the media why they let a murderer, charged by the CPD, walk free. Remember her commercial. I was a CPS teacher. that's why I invested in children, not jails. I think that the children she invested in are probably the same ones who killed.... Mike Flisk, John Knight, Thor Soderberg, Thomas Wortham, Cliff Lewis, Alex Valadez, Nate Taylor.... oh wait, I don't think that, I know that for a fact because I worked all of these cases. NICE FUCKING JOB TONI. Every single offender in these cases was a CPS student. Fuck you, you communist bitch. Tax my soda again and see where that gets you you ignorant communist bitch. Why don't you and that racist democratic governor of Virginia just go away and die and let real hard-working, middle class Americans M.A.G.A.
Homicdes are often the result of disagreements between theft/ robbery/burglay offenders spliting
Proceeds. Detectives need to do a better job looking for fences and co offenders.
unit 189 and unit absolutely did have lines for 9165s. In fact you can not detail a member into a unit if that unit does not have a line in the budget activity. Get your facts straight.
After the GSP titles and the youth officers titles were eliminated every member assigned those titles were assigned title code 9165. And every unit or budget activity that had those title codes in them got those lines assigned to their budget activity. In fact those lines have been in those budgets since there and I’m willing to bet that they are still there now. Get your facts straight 02/04/2019 07:50:00 PM
Rumor is they’re going to make 400 dicks
Just so all you non-detectives know, cases cannot be cleared without evidence and reliable victim/witnesses. If a victim refuses to cooperate and has not identified an offender the case will be suspended. That is plain and simple.
I won’t sit here and bash Patrol for whatever shortcomings may be occurring in that Bureau. Let’s be real here, the majority of crime victims don’t give a fuck about cooperating with police. Detectives are not miracle workers, you’ve seen the state of affairs in busy districts.
For those coppers hating so hard, take my suspended cases and clear ONE of them in 3 days (which is about how much time you’re able to work it before an in-custody clusterfuck or the inbox piles up with more shit) if you can clear it I’ll give you $1k.
Are there lazy dicks? Absolutely, and they should be disciplined. If the shoddy work continues maybe dump them back to 9161. Detective work is not as easy as patrol, not by a long shot. Stop bitching and blaming us for the savagery on the streets, we are shoveling elephant shit with a teaspoon.
Stay safe out there!
There was 21 detectives, Only 16 taken. It is what it is.
Staples is a great boss. She dumps dogs and she will have your back if you work. She has never acted like a snotty boss and we all know a few deputy chiefs and on up that are strokes.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Indictments coming to OCD. Many of them. They’re pulling the Dicks (shut up, Keesing Bandit) before conflicts of interest further interfere with the Feds cases. The Sgt and the POs on the team that were arrested out of Homan months ago are almost done with their GJ testimony, this is gonna make PacMan and the Austin crew look like angels. This from family member involved in the operation. Time for more popcorn.
Gang enforcement is in bureau of patrol, not OCD. It’s been that way since about November of 2015. Those guys were assigned to area one gangs under the area deputy chief. Had absolutely nothing to do with OCD. Hate to tell you, but your family member sucks at predictions.. better yet, you just suck at lies and trolling.
Smart boss, says one of her merit hack Sgts. Only in CPD would an outcome of 15% be considered smart. I rest the case.
You could make 1000 more dicks and have them led by Sam Spade, Clouseau, and Sherlock Holmes hisself, and it won’t mean shit, bitches!
The Community will not cooperate.
Kamala 20/20!
I love when Intelligence works a case for months then calls an Area because they need a Detective to call Felony review for charges. Wouldn’t you already have a State’s Attorney on board who is handling the case or a Detective for that matter? So as a Detective your supposed to dive down to Homan get a 30 minute run down of the months long investigation and assume everything they did is documented, true and accurate? Now you call in the case? Who exactly is supposed to testify in court? Who do you think is going to get stuck without a chair when the music stops? Not the clouted Intelligence guys that’s for sure. Give them a Detective and handle your own shit.
There should be no merit for Detective you can't produce then you get dumped.
I love this mentality. So the HGS Dicks who get the male black found dead in the alley with no witnesses, no cameras and no evidence should get dumped? But the Dicks that get assigned the bar shooting with 100 witnesses and video with “offender in custody” should be praised for good Detective work?
There’s a little more to Detective work then some of your small minds can handle. Some investigation are cold before the Dicks arrive on the scene. Some have an offender in custody before the notification is made to the Area. You simply need proper supervision and manpower to give every assignment the attention it deserves.
I thought OCD was a mental disorder didn't know it was a place clouted cops were sent to hide and make bank.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
The Detective Division can use all the help they can get. The 15 percent clearance rate is more the product of quantity of detectives rather than quality. i would put the CPD's detectives against anyone in the country but they need sufficient manpower to do the job. The surest way of knocking down the murder numbers is by catching the shooters. The fuller the penitentiary, the safer the streets.
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someone posted we have over 1100 detectives. Have we EVER had more than that?
"The swipe clocks are revealing a lot"
Thats part of it, though its more about who isn't swiping, and why, thats flushing out, err down, the clogs. Whats happening is that hours compared to production boxes now have something besides zeros or empty boxes on tge forms, and now the bean counters actually SEE something they can not just overlook. Likewise, reporters who only look at beans, rather than listen to good cops, cant overlook it anymore either.
The funniest part is that none of the pro swipers ever saw this coming cuz you beat cops doing the real work and actually producing were the targets! #AnotherDemFail as they find out AGAIN that beat cops are the BEST among the bunch!
This "shakeup" was not Staples idea.
Staples never had an original idea in her whole life.
She is doing exactly what she is told, nothing more.
Why do we even have detectives? How many of them have justified their existence? Maybe i shouldn't talk because i'm on patrol and don't do a damn thing.
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Why do we even have detectives? Wow. I have a feeling you’ll be in patrol indefinitely and that you’re lucky to even get that far.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
15% Staples rearranges deck chairs. Totally clueless leader. How many merit bumps for her? Almost anyone could do a better job than her.
2/04/2019 10:18:00 AM
I don’t know if any of her promotions were merit or off the list. However, what I do know is that she was never a working police officer.
Johnson, Staples and most of the brass couldn't lead a starving hound to a fresh side of beef. It's the Chicago Way.
Including last class, detectives are at 1186
2/04/2019 07:03:00 PM
Perfect time to break with FLOP and form our own union.
Anonymous said...
The low clearance rate is directly attributed to the Felony review process, No other major city has anything akin to our Felony review. They investigate, arrest and present the case to the local (A.S.A., District Attorney, Whatever). Our clearance rate pales in comparison to other major cities MOSTLY because of Felony review. That's why we need to elect McCarthy. He HATES Felony review and will eliminate it ASAP when he becomes mayor. Let Kim Fox and Toni Prickwinlke explain to the media why they let a murderer, charged by the CPD, walk free. Remember her commercial. I was a CPS teacher. that's why I invested in children, not jails. I think that the children she invested in are probably the same ones who killed.... Mike Flisk, John Knight, Thor Soderberg, Thomas Wortham, Cliff Lewis, Alex Valadez, Nate Taylor.... oh wait, I don't think that, I know that for a fact because I worked all of these cases. NICE FUCKING JOB TONI. Every single offender in these cases was a CPS student. Fuck you, you communist bitch. Tax my soda again and see where that gets you you ignorant communist bitch. Why don't you and that racist democratic governor of Virginia just go away and die and let real hard-working, middle class Americans M.A.G.A.
2/04/2019 10:40:00 PM
Holy sh*t. That was awesome.
Staples is Einstein compared to Cline’s Chief of Detectives, Maria “I have a boat”Maher.
Detectives are at 1142 and are budgeted for 1196 and they will be losing 12 more due to the Sgt class last week....so 66 budgeted openings last I checked
Do the Math...
There have been (25) homicides in Chicago so far in 2019. Of those (25) 2019 murders, as of today at 10am (3) of those (25) 2019 murders have been cleared making the clearance rate 12%. HOWEVER, pursuant to FBI stat rules, law enforcement agencies (including Chicago PD) that clear older murders (2018 and older) during the 2019 calendar year get credit for the 2019 year clearance rate.
When you add in the old murders look how the clearance rate #s change... Again as of this morning... (15) “old murders” have been clear this year. To break it down: ( 7)from A/central (5) from A/North and (3)from A/South.
When you work the older murders into the math now we have:
the (3) 2019 cleared murders added to the (15) old murders cleared make (18) a combined total of murders cleared.
NOW, divide the (25) murders that were committed into that (18) combined total and you get=
72% murder clearance rate.
And that is how the FBI and every other law enforcement agency does their numbers.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
15% Staples rearranges deck chairs. Totally clueless leader. How many merit bumps for her? Almost anyone could do a better job than her.
2/04/2019 10:18:00 AM
I don’t know if any of her promotions were merit or off the list. However, what I do know is that she was never a working police officer.
2/05/2019 10:09:00 AM
She is a meritorious lieutenant as is EVERY OTHER CHIEF. WTF. There is the answer to why we are so screwed up.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I love when Intelligence works a case for months then calls an Area because they need a Detective to call Felony review for charges. Wouldn’t you already have a State’s Attorney on board who is handling the case or a Detective for that matter? So as a Detective your supposed to dive down to Homan get a 30 minute run down of the months long investigation and assume everything they did is documented, true and accurate? Now you call in the case? Who exactly is supposed to testify in court? Who do you think is going to get stuck without a chair when the music stops? Not the clouted Intelligence guys that’s for sure. Give them a Detective and handle your own shit.
Wellll, they did have some Detectives there and the powers-that-be sent several of them packing. To address the above-mentioned, valid complaint, Intelligence needs more working Dets, not fewer.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
The low clearance rate is directly attributed to the Felony review process, No other major city has anything akin to our Felony review. They investigate, arrest and present the case to the local (A.S.A., District Attorney, Whatever). Our clearance rate pales in comparison to other major cities MOSTLY because of Felony review. That's why we need to elect McCarthy. He HATES Felony review and will eliminate it ASAP when he becomes mayor. Let Kim Fox and Toni Prickwinlke explain to the media why they let a murderer, charged by the CPD, walk free. Remember her commercial. I was a CPS teacher. that's why I invested in children, not jails. I think that the children she invested in are probably the same ones who killed.... Mike Flisk, John Knight, Thor Soderberg, Thomas Wortham, Cliff Lewis, Alex Valadez, Nate Taylor.... oh wait, I don't think that, I know that for a fact because I worked all of these cases. NICE FUCKING JOB TONI. Every single offender in these cases was a CPS student. Fuck you, you communist bitch. Tax my soda again and see where that gets you you ignorant communist bitch. Why don't you and that racist democratic governor of Virginia just go away and die and let real hard-working, middle class Americans M.A.G.A.
Wrong. The low clearance rate is directly contributed to shobby investigations. Detectives present weak cases to the State and expect them to approve charges. Detectives expect for the ASA’s to run their investigations. Detectives can’t answer questions about their own investigations. Detectives contacting the State knowing that they are not prepared.
“Sooooo, around 16 clouted detectives are going to actually have to earn some of their money ? I recall the detective we had detailed to our unit NEVER left his desk and didn’t do a lick of work. Then he magically made meritorious SGT. I’m fairly certain he currently has a narcotics team. Earned, not given.
2/04/2019 12:31:00 AM”
If you had a dollar for every time that bullshit happened., You could’ve retired after you got off probation. Hence the reason the CPD is a joke .
But you’ll have 100s of meritorious fucks and their suckholes yammering give him a break he was good people.
Staples is Einstein compared to Cline’s Chief of Detectives, Maria “I have a boat”Maher.
Staples is no Einstein even compared to Maria "The Screecher" Maher.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
The low clearance rate is directly attributed to the Felony review process, No other major city has anything akin to our Felony review. They investigate, arrest and present the case to the local (A.S.A., District Attorney, Whatever). Our clearance rate pales in comparison to other major cities MOSTLY because of Felony review. That's why we need to elect McCarthy. He HATES Felony review and will eliminate it ASAP when he becomes mayor. Let Kim Fox and Toni Prickwinlke explain to the media why they let a murderer, charged by the CPD, walk free. Remember her commercial. I was a CPS teacher. that's why I invested in children, not jails. I think that the children she invested in are probably the same ones who killed.... Mike Flisk, John Knight, Thor Soderberg, Thomas Wortham, Cliff Lewis, Alex Valadez, Nate Taylor.... oh wait, I don't think that, I know that for a fact because I worked all of these cases. NICE FUCKING JOB TONI. Every single offender in these cases was a CPS student. Fuck you, you communist bitch. Tax my soda again and see where that gets you you ignorant communist bitch. Why don't you and that racist democratic governor of Virginia just go away and die and let real hard-working, middle class Americans M.A.G.A.
Wrong. The low clearance rate is directly contributed to shobby investigations. Detectives present weak cases to the State and expect them to approve charges. Detectives expect for the ASA’s to run their investigations. Detectives can’t answer questions about their own investigations. Detectives contacting the State knowing that they are not prepared.
2/05/2019 07:55:00 PM
Again. Poor investigative skills and pathetic clearance rates are directly attributed to the hack appointments of supervisors in the detective division. The department may have gotten away with it for a LONG time because there were plenty of dicks solving cases but, that’s no longer the case. Even if there are a million detectives promoted, there are not enough seasoned detectives available or supervisors that know how to MAKE the case, that can mentor and teach the new personnel. There are plenty of HACKS to tap dance and PRETEND to know what they are doing but obviously that’s why we have a ridiculously low clearance rate! Body worn cameras and surveillance footage, GPS and cellphone evidence, sure changed the game when detectives were able to just SAY and DOCUMENT what actually happened without corroborating evidence. This ain’t your granddaddy’s detective division is it?!
OCD is a scam unit. Just a place to go for massive overtime and to retire with big hours on the books. It’s no coincidence they all have tons of hours. No slips burned.
2/04/2019 06:41:00 PM
True.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Detectives are at 1142 and are budgeted for 1196 and they will be losing 12 more due to the Sgt class last week....so 66 budgeted openings last I checked
2/05/2019 05:13:00 PM
I've said this before and I'll say it again. NYC has WAYYYY more detectives. WHen NYC had 42k cops, 6k were Detectives. I am not sure what the exact #'s are now. But that was a 7:1 ratio. So if Chicago has 12k cops and 1200 Dets. that's a 10:1 ratio. I might add that some NYC detectives are in goofy units like narcotics (I believe) so, yes, that is a factor.
Just pointing this out. It seems to me like we have plenty of detectives right now. I do not even recognize 50% of them they are so new.
How many ocd supervisors are working their other jobs while they;re on the clock? There aren't any rules for clout babies.
Has anyone ever heard the Chief attorney of the Public defenders office, she is a total police hater who thinks the police setup and violate every arrestees rights. We are screwed all the way around and McCarthy or any other mayor cannot do any with felony review. He has no authority.
can someone from FOP submit FOIA and inform public how many merit detectives there are , where they are assigned and clearance rate
maybe inform public of disciplinary history and medical time
Anonymous Anonymous said...
can someone from FOP submit FOIA and inform public how many merit detectives there are , where they are assigned and clearance rate
maybe inform public of disciplinary history and medical time
2/06/2019 12:42:00 PM
Why don't you file an FOI. Anybody can. Online too!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
can someone from FOP submit FOIA and inform public how many merit detectives there are , where they are assigned and clearance rate
maybe inform public of disciplinary history and medical time
2/06/2019 12:42:00 PM
OT sure, but I think you can
OCD is a scam unit. Just a place to go for massive overtime and to retire with big hours on the books. It’s no coincidence they all have tons of hours. No slips burned.
2/04/2019 06:41:00 PM
Hang on now, watch what you say, we can say the same for the Detectives, some Area guys are pulling the same shit. Wow if they did an audit of a way south Area , OCD wouldn't be the only scam unit, now would it? You really should have kept your yap shut.
Big shakeup in narcotics. This is the last stop for some of them after this no more chances.
There should be no merit for Detective you can't produce then you get dumped.
How do you decide who produces? Haven't you ever had someone get credit for what you do? Anyway, soem of these merit detective we may be good. Let them be detectives for awhile, if they are not doing a good job then decide if they should stay.
There should be no merit for Detective you can't produce then you get dumped.
How do you decide who produces? Haven't you ever had someone get credit for what you do? Anyway, soem of these merit detective we may be good. Let them be detectives for awhile, if they are not doing a good job then decide if they should stay.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There should be no merit for Detective you can't produce then you get dumped.
How do you decide who produces? Haven't you ever had someone get credit for what you do? Anyway, soem of these merit detective we may be good. Let them be detectives for awhile, if they are not doing a good job then decide if they should stay.
Years back, the D Division periodically dumped the bottom 10%. Wouldn’t work now on the merits because get spots shortly after going to the D unit. CMO, Secretary, etc. they never get rated on arrests or clearups so a dump doesn’t apply to them
Anonymous said...
Has anyone ever heard the Chief attorney of the Public defenders office, she is a total police hater who thinks the police setup and violate every arrestees rights. We are screwed all the way around and McCarthy or any other mayor cannot do any with felony review. He has no authority.
2/06/2019 08:36:00 AM
Wrong! Felony Review is a "handshake" agreement between the County and the City. There is no law requiring Felony Review. It can be stopped the 1st day of his administration if he so desires. It was only created to ensure that whomever was the current Democratic State's Attorney could brag about their 98% conviction rate when they ran for re-election. Most of the suburbs in Cook County were "strong-armed" into the same joke system. Get rid of it now!
Anonymous said...
Has anyone ever heard the Chief attorney of the Public defenders office, she is a total police hater who thinks the police setup and violate every arrestees rights. We are screwed all the way around and McCarthy or any other mayor cannot do any with felony review. He has no authority.
2/06/2019 08:36:00 AM
Wrong! Felony Review is a "handshake" agreement between the County and the City. There is no law requiring Felony Review. It can be stopped the 1st day of his administration if he so desires. It was only created to ensure that whomever was the current Democratic State's Attorney could brag about their 98% conviction rate when they ran for re-election. Most of the suburbs in Cook County were "strong-armed" into the same joke system. Get rid of it now!
Actually you are right, it’s an agreement, but there are two sides. If you are the people prosecuting the case , you should have some input about the case you are getting
The CPD Detective Division has been a laughing stock for decades now. Poor Leadership has caused low clearance rates and lack of discipline.
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