Here a Tax, There a Tax
- For more than two years, Chicagoans have struggled with a nagging decision at grocery stores and other retailers – pay 7 cents for a disposable bag, or somehow do without.
Now, if Gov. J.B. Pritzker has his way, shoppers across the state will face a similar choice.
In his inaugural budget, Pritzker has proposed a 5-cent tax on all plastic bags used at checkout in Illinois. The goal is to reduce waste and raise revenue.
Unless Chicago is exempted from the tax (home rules stuff), Chicago shoppers would be saddled with a twelve-cent bag tax. That's enough to drive some shoppers to the suburbs.
Labels: dumb ideas, money questions
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
88 Comments:
This state and city and county is the biggest shithole in the country
Will everyone across the state pay the new tax or will there be exemptions carved into the tax bill?
What good will it do to go to the suburbs? If it gets passed (and I’m sure it will) the suburbs are still in Illinois. The burbs just won’t be paying as much I’m assuming?
The people of Illinois wanted him and they got him and they are going to get his policies good and hard, just the way they deserve it. Me, just more fuel for the fire to leave this state and watch it disappear in my review mirror. You wanted him, you got him. He all yours Illinois. Have fun with those taxes and everything else a Liberal Democrat brings with them into office.
Easy drive for me to County Line Rd. or Cass Ave. But then again I'm going to Kentucky soon to look at properties. My buddy who was a suburban cop moved there 3 years ago and has 10 acres of land that's beautiful and pays $400 a year in taxes... I'm done...
I noticed that has at COSTCO has gone up from $189.9 late December 2018 to $247.9 this evening.
What else could it be other than taxes?
Shove your plastic bags up your ass fatboy.
I just bought 35 acres in Tennessee and will be moving there in 14 months.
So if I decline to pay 7 cents for a paper bag, I get no bag and supposedly reduce waste. Yet the cashier will still print out and hand me a foot long paper receipt for the three items I purchased. Makes no sense.
Go to Aldi. They dont have any bags. That fat f@$k JB will be creating a new tax every week!
Wow! That did not take very ling at all!!!
SCC wrote
That's enough to drive some shoppers to the suburbs.
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No, that's enough to drive MANY shoppers to WI and IN for ALL their groceries, cigarettes, and gas.
What are they thinking?? Leveling MORE tax is going to generate more revenues?
It don't work that way and this demonstrates how naive MANY politicians are, who only have a hammer in their respective "tool bag of skills". TAX TAX TAX is NOT the only thing you can do.
CUT SPENDING! CUT OUT OVERLAPPING BUREAUCRATIC Agencies.
Take the CTA, METRA, PACE and the RTA and merge them into one Regional Transportation Authority - cut out multiple Chairmen, Presidents, multiple Boards of Directors, their duplicated benefits & pensions, and all the patronage jobs.
That may not solve everything but it sure would show some real visible progress in trying to cut out duplicate jobs that all deliver mediocre service at best.
Now if I can think of that why can't Pritzker and all his "experts" come up with something even more comprehensive?
I came across several cases of plastic grocery bags a few years ago. I’m good until I retire and get the f**k out.
Suburbs hell.
They have Costco in Indiana and no ammo tax too. Cheaper fuel, tabaco and liqour....
You go jb.
graduated income tax on the way too.
you can bet this fucking trust fund baby will hot be effected.
FU JB the HUT!!! FU!!!!!!!
Thank the clueless morons that voted for this pile of doggie crap!!!!
why are the people voting with their feet?.
Suburbs hell thats enough to make me do all of my shopping out of state. I am old enough to remember paper bags and they were strong enough not to fall apart before you reached home. Now if I could return them for a refund count me in but that won't happen anymore than me paying 5 cents to spend my money in Illinois.
These guys in Springfield are now just starting to chew around the edges of taxing retirement income too. They say no but it keeps coming up in conversations down there. When they tax plastic bags, what are people going to do about picking-up dog poop? I'm afraid a lot will just leave it where it lays. I always ask for double bags for just that purpose.
It hasn't reduced the number of ghetto tumbleweeds.
At least Indiana and Wisconsin are close by.
Maybe worth the time now to do most of my shopping outside the state.
( can buy some bullets and fireworks too )
I pretty much shop in the burbs already, and guess what, at some stores if I bring my own bag back to the same store I get a 5 cent credit. And this goof is also talking about more cigarette and vape taxing. I already leave cook county for both, but it would not bother me to go to IN or WI for those items. Oh, and I try to buy any liquor outside of crook county and don't get hit with that liquor tax. Just stock up on these items.
Howdy. I work for Woodman's grocery up in Kenosha Wisconsin which is just north of the Illinois border. We like your politicians down there with their tax plans. Every time they introduce a new one our business increases. C'mon up north and shop with us and don't pay those stupid Illinois or Chicago taxes. We don't tax food in Wisconsin, our gas is cheaper and I promise we will not charge you for the plastic bags. Hell, take as many as you want, you can even take some extras home with you.
I shop in the suburbs thanks to taxwinkle.
I know the new tax wont save me this time, but maybe I need to look at leaving the state
If he paid 5¢ for every 100 calories he consumes, he could probably fund our pension.
And he would also likely see out his term before he has a grabber, but who am I to judge?
I havent used a plastic bag since Chicago started this stupid idea. Who cares. Costco and Aldi offer free boxes to take your shit home in.
Aaaaarrrrrrggggghhhhhh. God I hate this place!!!
I hope every person who voted for this big fat, walking blimp goes broke under this guy's term. Fucking assholes. I can't believe his arteries are still holding up. I hate this fat fuck.
1. Perhaps more people will now drive to a grocery store, since they can simply load their groceries from their shopping cart (after checking out) directly into their car without using any bags at all. This is not unlike what happens at discount shopping club stores (Sam's Club, Costco) with no shopping bags. And if you leave your cloth bags at home or in your car, no problem.
2. If enough people don't use bags (see #1), you don't need as many baggers. Laying off baggers could offset the cost of the tax for those who use the taxable bags. Unintended consequences, Governor?
3. Speaking of Sam's Club or Costco, shoppers can buy 1000 plastic bags there for roughly $15.00 including tax (or 1.5 cents per bag) and bring their own plastic bags to bag their groceries. Easier to stuff in your pocket than cloth bags.
4. Why can't stores simply sell plastic bags (at 2 cents per bag) for shoppers to use in bagging their groceries, and thereby avoid the 5 cent per bag tax on "free" bags? There is an aisle full of (single use) plastic trash bags (of all sizes) for sale already, so why can't stores sell small plastic bags at the checkout for carrying groceries? Customers would bear the cost of the bags themselves, but the State would not get the 5 cents per bag additional tax (which otherwise amounts to a 250% sales tax on a 2 cent bag).
Of course, some people probably will not bother to try to avoid a “small” tax on bags, or a “small” tax (one cent per ounce) on soda and other sweetened drinks (Toni’s brilliant idea is bound to return), or a “small” tax (10 cents per bottle in Chicago) on water in plastic bottles. Others may do what it takes to avoid these taxes by using cloth bags, or by buying unsweetened drinks, as long as it's not water in plastic bottles.
And some may just get tired of getting nickel-and-dimed and just move out of Illinois.
Ha, ha the Nutt just took office and this is only the beginning of the Democratic Death by Tax torched. Every month or so another tax idea or bill floated, a nickel here a quarter there some dollars here pretty soon another 15% or so has been added to your tax burden. The sad part is that rather putting any and all revenue to the state debt it will be used to buy more votes for useless community pandering programs. Like the new Democratic Universal income all the socialists candidates are fawning over. State goes deeper in debt giving your tax money to people who refuse to work. But come next election you will keep the Democrats in power until there are no more taxpayers left in state. Great job Illinois voters.
The State won't stop at the 5 cent plastic bag tax. Wanna bet they'll pass another that's "only" 2 cents if you bring your own reusable shopping bag?
Reduce waste?
Where does fat boy think all soiled diapers and dog shit pickups go?
That's not waste, that's productive use.
Many of the shoppers in the City are tax exempt. Paying for their purchases with link cards or with a tax number from their storefront fambly owned church. No big windfall here Jabba.
The Democrats are literally nickel and diming Illinois to death.
Stop voting Democrat!
The Madigan-Cullerton-Pritzker Democratic death spiral accelerates.
I guarantee him and Madigan will be coming up with more surprises!
Most stores also offer paper bags. If tax only applies to plastic, that's an easy choice
The guy who got away with tax fraud is now creating more taxes. How about a budget that doesn't spend more than it has. How can Illinois be a sanctuary state when it is billions of dollars in debt?
I already shop in the suburbs and can't wait to move from this shithole of a state!
Jaba the hutt is gonna put leaving illinois on steroids....
Yeah, so. It’s really not that hard to bring the reusable cloth bags to get groceries. They even get handed out for free at all kinds of community and business events. God forbid, you might have to spend some of your clothing allowance or duty availability on a few .99 cent cloth bags. Maybe buy them at a garage sale cheaper. I don’t know. Bag tax is an easy tax to beat. F*€k ‘em.
Are you kidding? I haven’t shopped in the city since they started the bag tax.
I think that’s a wonderful idea, but why not make it a dime. When your at the check out start putting the checked items in your coat pockets, under your clothes, etc. That should become interesting going out the front door. Sounds like a shoplifter’s dream.
Used to enjoy going to Niles to buy stuff without dragging the bags with me which I always forget. Now the entire state can enjoy this taxing crap.
Pritzer is copying the same system from California. Plastic bags are taxed. They also have a graduated income tax and all income is taxed. Illinois is finally catching up to the other democratic states. Residents in Illinois should be required to pay for the services they receive. Pritzer stated his goals before he was elected so this is not news. He supported progressive income tax, tax pensions, gasoline tax, Bag tax. Soon a exit tax when leaving Illinois. Someone has to pay for Madigan's spending.
I never understood why people get so upset about this tax. If you just bring your own bag this tax doesn't affect you at all. I'm about as Republican as you can get but honestly this is one tax I'm all for.
This is what communist leadership looks like. We are governed by dictators!!
I can’t wait to move!
Look for a provision to exempt the illegals and denizens of the south and west sides. Can’t upset the voting base, illegals included because we all know they cast ballots, which is against the law.
I do my weekly shopping outside of Cook county and gas up vehicle too. Cook county government is driving the middle class away. Time to cut the freebies that the government gives to the non producers for their votes, and give the ones pulling the wagon full of deadweight a break for once.
These yuppies and hipsters bring their own bags to the store. Smart shoppers, dumb voters.
These groceries come in cardboard boxes, use them!!
Now Maria Pappas last night on Flannerys fired up program says the real estate bills coming in June will go
Up a full 30% because of pensions,hmm how about the massive theft from elected that stole the money
What about the billions freely given buying votes from illegals who are criminals here and they give away “our money” and complain
About citizens who made that money, dutifully paid high taxes anyone see a revolt coming soon?
You mess with police pensions after taking away health care not smart elected criminals democrats in
The most corrupt city state county in the entire country! Better think about the blowback!
soon you will see the service industry facing a sales tax: beauty parlors, barbershops, body shops, dentists and doctors and lawyers and many many others. It is now happening on the East coast and will be coming to a town near you soon. This is all about funding new social services and raising more taxes, not reforming government
I'm OK with this.
If Democrats would chuck Hate White People, BlackLiesMatter, Antifa and open borders immigration and switch to practical environmentalism and government run medical insurance that works - that would be fine with me.
I hate seeing plastic bags everywhere in Chicago March, same as I hate seeing dog poo and pot holes everywhere in most all seasons.
Look at all the improvement in phone and TV technology, there have been no improvements in Chicago roads in my lifetime.
Free stuff JB, he learned that from food stamp Hawaiian president who’s had already tapped $180 mil for start up funding (more to come) for an empty cement hut on city protected land.
That shit ain’t free.
Why cut spending when taxing is easier? Nobody in government will see their job cut or lost, except the retiree benefits.
I don’t ever recall a Gov that’s been elected and in a matter of 3 months JB Pigster became the most despised mf’er the State ever seen.
Hard to believe that few seen his overtaxing coming from his agenda.
Over a million Dumocrats voted for this big spender and he’s just getting warmed up.
Who knows how much a plastic bag cost per 1,000. The manufacturer can’t be pleased IL is profiting over the cost when they’ll likely to see some significant decline in production.
The plastic bag printing industry used to be big within the city and border suburbs. Unless all these come from China now with the whole job killing global economy, I wonder how many plastic bag companies are left that will leave Illinois.
We don’t need jobs, we need voters and housing and free stuff.
I don’t think the corner store ghetto tumbleweed gets taxed on the LINK.
Anonymous said...
I noticed that has at COSTCO has gone up from $189.9 late December 2018 to $247.9 this evening.
What else could it be other than taxes?
Care to explain what this statement means?
Are you sitting on a bar stool while typing some jobba jabber?
Thank your friends and relatives that keep voting for democrats. You can't fix stupid. ♠️
so all the sheeple that voted for that fat pig so he can make his millionaire friends and family members pay their fair share , not happening is it . Tax on grocery bags , gasoline , tax retirement income , raise income tax , tax guns , ammo , new regulations , fees on gun stores , give free health to Illegals . How's that working out for us working fools .
That progressive tax on millionaires doesn't even go up for a vote for two years . So it looks like the minimum wage , blue and white collar workers will pay for all the big pensions of politicians , health ,education , housing , link for illegals and criminals .
It's the people that keep voting these crooks in that are to blame , fat man spent over $100,000,000 of his own money to steal election for a job that pays $150,000 .
Only thing the dem controlled Illinois governement will focus on is taxes, guns and screwing you out of your pension. Take that to the bank.they are emboldened because the ones who vote for them have no dog in the fight and just nod their heads to every stupid thing they want to do. The line out the door is getting longer and I am getting in it
Wisconsin is about to reap the benefits of a Dummyrat govenor. Wait and see what Evers does he already vetoed a tax cut for middle income people. Thanks Madison and Milwaukee.
To all you posters saying you will go to the suburbs to avoid this tax, you are wrong!!!!! It’s a new STATEWIDE TAX!!! You can only avoid it if you shop outside Illinois.
Aldis does not provide bags...………… you use one of their boxes to get your stuff home. A penny saved is a penny earned.
just another reason, in addition to the hundreds of reasons, for folks to get out of Illinois....
Our pension is barely funded, and now jb and the new crew want to kick things down the road again.They are definitely talking about a pension state tax they are already raising state tax to 4.9% do the math that is a big chuck out of our pensions,and don't forget how the vicious ballerina rahm took away the police retirees health care!
Vallas is the only person running that says that will be restored, they put the rich kid joyce in to do nothing more than take votes from vallas,he is not perfect but eons better than the rest. Make sure all coppers and their families get their asses out to vote, this election will have major consequences then this getting involved with corruption like Toni can even get you thrown from supreme court whose next in Toni's evil web of destruction?
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-toni-preckwinkle-anne-burke-inquiry-20190222-story.html
What about the Democratic Green plan to do away with airplanes and automobiles because of carbon emissions? You will have to walk to the store and carry everything back in your hands. Or they could tax the number of steps you take a day. Jabba the Hut won't have to worry about that tax. He obviously does not walk.
I think we should identify all the people who voted democratic and increase THEIR taxes since they believe that is the answer.
No one has baggers anymore. Do not be silly.
It may just encourage people to bring their own bags. I see that a lot these days anyway. The plastic bags with handles are a whole lot more convenient in most cases than the old paper bags were although the paper bags tended to be bigger and sturdier, but when I can remember to bring them the reusable bags are a lot nicer.
But these days I don't do much shopping. I just type in what I want and when I want to come get it and when it's ready they send me a text message and I go pick it up. I just drive into the parking lot and a nice efficient employee comes out and loads the groceries into my car. Or order them from Amazon Prime and they come to my house in a big box.
"Anonymous said...
"Howdy. I work for Woodman's grocery up in Kenosha Wisconsin which is just north of the Illinois border. We like your politicians down there with their tax plans. Every time they introduce a new one our business increases. C'mon up north and shop with us and don't pay those stupid Illinois or Chicago taxes. We don't tax food in Wisconsin, our gas is cheaper and I promise we will not charge you for the plastic bags. Hell, take as many as you want, you can even take some extras home with you."
Thank you.
But you overlooked an opportunity to say, "And you won't risk getting carjacked."
LolWhen they tax plastic bags, what are people going to do about picking-up dog poop?
Most of the time the cheap plastic shopping bags you get aren't very sturdy and have holes in them so they really aren't all that suitable for picking up after the dog. I use small rolls of heavy-duty bags that I would buy at Walmart or the pet store made for this purpose. These things are tough. You can't hardly stick your finger through them if you try. Just stick your hand inside the bag pick it up pull the bag off inside out and tie it off and it's done. There are more elaborate versions but over many years of having dogs I found this was the best.
Anonymous said...
Look for a provision to exempt the illegals and denizens of the south and west sides. Can’t upset the voting base, illegals included because we all know they cast ballots, which is against the law.
I do my weekly shopping outside of Cook county and gas up vehicle too. Cook county government is driving the middle class away. Time to cut the freebies that the government gives to the non producers for their votes, and give the ones pulling the wagon full of deadweight a break for once.
2/23/2019 10:13:00
Ever prickwinkles soda , shop 50 % outside of cook county, ..no panhandlers, no assholes fixing cars In the parking lot... nicer store employees...shithole Chicago..is now...Newark the 2nd
Anonymous said...
Howdy. I work for Woodman's grocery up in Kenosha Wisconsin which is just north of the Illinois border. We like your politicians down there with their tax plans. Every time they introduce a new one our business increases. C'mon up north and shop with us and don't pay those stupid Illinois or Chicago taxes. We don't tax food in Wisconsin, our gas is cheaper and I promise we will not charge you for the plastic bags. Hell, take as many as you want, you can even take some extras home with you.
2/23/2019 06:58:00 AM
Been there it is a nice store...also piggly wiggly ... across wis, door county
Anonymous Anonymous said...
To all you posters saying you will go to the suburbs to avoid this tax, you are wrong!!!!! It’s a new STATEWIDE TAX!!! You can only avoid it if you shop outside Illinois.
2/23/2019 01:21:00 PM
And I will. During the soda tax I went to Hammond from Mt Greenwood. Stocked up 2 to 3 times a month. No tax on food, lower tax on goods and cheaper gas. No tax on bullets at Cabelas. Lots of Win all around.
What city in Kentucky are you referring to? I googled Kentucky and it’s telling me that state is the worst for retirees
The writing was on the wall 2 years ago when Rauner started running all those ads blaming Madigan for his inability to get anything done. Then after hundreds of Rauner ads comes tubby Pritzker who ends up spending $175 million dollars to get a job that pays $175k a year. You knew we were heading for trouble if in the entire state of Illinois, all they could come up with was the simp and the blimp. Can you possibly imagine the pounds per square in pressure this lard ass puts on a toilet seat when he evacuates his bowels. I believe that's the real story behind removing those toilets from his gold coast mansion.
Like everything else that has to do with Democrat politicians, once a Texas introduced it is never taken away, it only increases gradually. Unfortunate for the many who live outside of Chicago, their population does not match the massive amount of people in Chicago, so they can’t really vote Republican. I will never understand how somebody can be so dumb as to vote for these Democrats.
This is why I'm moving to another state. Fuck Chicago and Illinois.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
No one has baggers anymore. Do not be silly.
2/23/2019 04:49:00 PM
Maybe at the stores you go to they don’t, but all the stores I shop at have baggers
A billionaire "businessman " and all he can come up with is the standard democratic mantra of raising taxes? Here is the answer for Chicago, use the TIF funds to fund the pensions, 4 years they will be fully funded. Find out why the lottery money isn't being used for schools, then start using the money for schools. Limit government pensions to one. Term limits on all political offices. If you are convicted of a felony you are no longer entitled to welfare of any kind. Term limits on all entitlements. 5 years and you are done, you never get another handout again. People need to be responsible for their own lives. Look I just saved the government billions a year. Oh yeah and cut the number of aldermen to a third. Get warranties on all road projects, if they start falling apart within 15 years they have to fix it. For free. I guarantee you the roads will be made much better. And finally, stop electing these idiot liberals into office. How many times do you need to be kicked in the face before you learn.
And those taxes never bring in as much revenue as they predict!
RE: I noticed that has at COSTCO has gone up from $189.9 late December 2018 to $247.9 this evening.
What else could it be other than taxes?
Care to explain what this statement means?
Are you sitting on a bar stool while typing some jobba jabber?
....
I'm pretty sure he mean't to type GAS
Illinois Considering "Asset Transfers" To Pensions: Be Afraid
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-19/illinois-considering-asset-transfers-pensions-be-afraid
I like how Jay-Bee the Hut says that a progressive tax will be on the rich like him. You do KNOW that he is a trust fund fat baby and the trust is probably outside Illinois. Hell it might be outside the country!!! Bottom line, he will not be paying Illinois taxes on all of it except for an ocassional trust distribution so he can go to McDonalds. Man, Indiana real estate is going to get expensive when everyone flees this communist shithole of a state.
I so badly want to move away from Illinois.
I still cant believe that these idiotic citizens of Illinois knew that this JB is a tax fraud and yet they vote him in and make US get taxed up the ass. The people of Illinois deserve what they sow.
It's easy tax to beat, until you realize that they're estimating huge revenue from the tax, which they will never get, leaving a hole in the budget they will need to fill with another tax that you can't beat.
This isn't rocket science
You Wrote
"Yeah, so. It’s really not that hard to bring the reusable cloth bags to get groceries. They even get handed out for free at all kinds of community and business events. God forbid, you might have to spend some of your clothing allowance or duty availability on a few .99 cent cloth bags. Maybe buy them at a garage sale cheaper. I don’t know. Bag tax is an easy tax to beat. F*€k ‘em."
someone said that 1,000 folks a month are leaving Illinois, most for Indiana.....not sure about the numbers, but...Indiana has a cap of 1% of value on property taxes (some counties have an additional small % tax for local schools)....anyway, there seems to be a building boom in Indiana....anyone thinking of leaving Illinois for Indiana should go sooner rather than later...if not Indiana, then maybe Tennessee, Kentucky, Florida, Alabama, Arkansas, Texas ?....don't wait
Anonymous Anonymous said...
RE: I noticed that has at COSTCO has gone up from $189.9 late December 2018 to $247.9 this evening.
What else could it be other than taxes?
Care to explain what this statement means?
Are you sitting on a bar stool while typing some jobba jabber?
....
I'm pretty sure he mean't to type GAS
It could also be that they changed from winter blend to the summer blend already. Big difference in price between the two and they charge more for the summer blend because more gas is used I. The summer
JB Pigster shove the bags up your cheating dishonest ass!
These Reds tax anything and everything. Believe NOTHING he says.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
RE: I noticed that has at COSTCO has gone up from $189.9 late December 2018 to $247.9 this evening.
What else could it be other than taxes?
Very simple. Crude oil was $43 a barrel in late December. It is now roughly $56 per barrel.
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