ISP Admits Fault
This isn't a slam at troopers (who do a near impossible jobs riding 99 on the highways), but rather their administrative structure that is supposedly enforcing a plethora of laws that keep citizens safe:
- Illinois State Police acknowledged Monday that the agency wrongly issued a gun license to the shooter in the Aurora warehouse murders, but in a detailed statement the agency also suggested that the Aurora Police Department may have failed to do its part to ensure the man no longer owned a weapon.
According to state records, Gary Martin applied for a firearm owner’s identification card on Jan. 17, 2014. He provided his name and birth date for a background check, and falsely answered “no” when asked if he had ever been convicted of a felony.
A records search only returned Martin’s criminal history in Illinois, a series of minor infractions that did not disqualify him from owning a gun. The screening process failed to detect a mid-1990s felony conviction for aggravated assault in Mississippi for which he served five years in prison and was released in 1997.
Now imagine these incompetent bureaucrats attempting to locate a few million guns in Illinois (along with tens of millions of magazines and more than a few billion rounds or ammo) once Jay-Bee the Hutt and his anti-gun agenda get rolling.
As noted in the comments a day or so ago, the ISP bureaucracy can't even keep up with renewing lawful gun owners FOID cards. If they failed once, they're going to fail tens of dozens of other times. And if saddled with some half-assed gun registration/confiscation scheme, they are not only going to fail miserably, they are going to endanger cops.
As noted in the comments a day or so ago, the ISP bureaucracy can't even keep up with renewing lawful gun owners FOID cards. If they failed once, they're going to fail tens of dozens of other times. And if saddled with some half-assed gun registration/confiscation scheme, they are not only going to fail miserably, they are going to endanger cops.
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
66 Comments:
State government/agencies can't always be perfect.
Isnt lying on the app a felony. Why didnt they prosecute him for that.
Saw something that has been a major surge in CCW applications, especially in Chicago.
Could it be that people are rushing to get them while they can.
Confiscating firearms after some politician waves his magic wand and renders them illigal will be very dangerous work.
They need to enforce the gun laws we have. Not keep making new ones. The DemocRATS don’t want gun laws enforced. That way more shootings and than they can take away your rights!
I see this being pushed off to local police departments to go out and secure weapons.
ISP does not have enough manpower to do expressways in Chiraq, let alone knock on doors.
Sheriffs have no manpower or vehicles.
Local police will get the gig like warrants use to be done in each district.
Wait for that first shoot out and it will be a mess
Hey dumb-ass politicians... the street has a zero day waiting period.
Fuckin idiot politicians are to blame for this. They saddled the ISP with shit that is impossible to carry out.
Stop calling him JB the Hutt. Untill he f**ks with us. Right now he's against constitutional convention . That opens up and pensions are gone. Pension is the end game
Finger prints for a FOID run thru national data base would solve problem.
ISP issues a stand up statement almost admitting guilt. Looks like JB will be the one writing all the big checks. State goes even deeper in debt. Wonder if the check bearers will have to wait to cash checks like Lottery winners.
Clear and Present Danger forms. Get to know them. Use them for the bad guys. Background checks miss sjit all the time. Get the people that concern you on the official ISP radar. They will investigate, suspend/revoke/deny if seen as concern. Small extra step to wave a red flag if you seem necessary. Might even still fall through cracks but at least yo tried.
To construct a law and to enact same, which is in conflict with both Constitutionlly defined as a right and as a God Given Right, renders said law null.
To enforce said null law is to invite refusal to submit to said enforcement.
To choose to submit to said enforcement of law nulled by intrinsic conflict with God Given Rights is akin to the tomcat volunteering to be both declawed and defanged. With the inclusive deballing being the bonus.
The predatory celebrate those who choose to submit, by rewarding them with glorious victimhood.
And the propaganda continues to flow, with nary a peep from those who enforce the nulled laws made by the cretins.
Such is the wisdom of mankind.
Don’t worry.
The state will disarm the worst offenders of their firearms.
To them, it’s current law enforcement and retired law enforcement.
These are the ones viewed by the liberal general public as the problem.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Stop calling him JB the Hutt. Untill he f**ks with us. Right now he's against constitutional convention . That opens up and pensions are gone. Pension is the end game
2/19/2019 03:56:00 AM
Sure. Cuz that's all that matters is your pension. Never mind that he's a straight-up commie bastard gun-grabber. Gonna tax the shit out of us while making all law abiding gun owners criminals. You'd probably be ok with that as long as you get your precious pension. Guess what, the money AIN'T THERE. They stole it. To borrow a line from Animal House, You fucked up. You trusted them.
Wait... set aside Illinois incompetence, how did he pass the federal NICS background check with a felony to purchase the gun in the first place (Form 4473)?
Is the ISP admitting that mandatory background checks failed not once, not twice, but three times in this case?
"...Stop calling him JB the Hutt..."
Governor? Is that you?
Issue a warrant for the individuals arrest if they dont contact the local police with a list of their guns. Now they comply or face arrest.
Ask Terry Gainer who fucked it up? He was the director in 94.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Finger prints for a FOID run thru national data base would solve problem.
2/19/2019 04:06:00 AM
Blow that out your ass! foid is unconstitutional in the first place, and the supreme court is soon taking a look at some ridiculous unconstitutional shit from NY. Hopefully they will clear up some more of the ridiculous gun grabber fantasies nationwide.
Why didn't the ATF 4473 with the instant background check discover the problem?
The Lib-Tared Democratic Morons are already blaming the N.R.A., and the Republican party for the Aurora shooting. When it's in fact the Fucking idiot Democratic politicians that you brain dead Democratic morons elected to office ! It's your hands that are covered with the blood of the innocent!
....and since we can't enforce the laws that are already on the books, there's only one solution to this problem: Pass more laws
A records search only returned Martin’s criminal history in Illinois, a series of minor infractions that did not disqualify him from owning a gun.
When I moved to IL in 2009, I had too had to apply to get my FOID. There was a background hit in Louisiana by someone with my exact same name. It took nine months of going in circles with ISP, and the threat to file a lawsuit to get my card. I had to submit to a fingerprinting to determine that I was NOT that person before my rights were restored.
I'm calling bullshit.
Maduro from Venezuela shoulda ran for governor. He'd fit right in...
ISP doesn't choose to do this crap, it's foisted on them by Springfield.
ISP would never voluntarily choose to drop crap like this proposal from the Brain trust downstate:
"Provides that beginning January 1, 2020, the Department of State Police shall maintain a centralized registry of all reports of handgun ammunition transactions reported to the Department in a manner prescribed by the Department. Provides that information in the registry, upon proper application for that information, shall be furnished to peace officers and authorized employees of the Department of State Police or to the person listed in the registry as the owner of the particular handgun ammunition. Provides that the Department of State Police shall adopt rules relating to the assessment and collection of end-user fees in an amount not to exceed $0.005 per round of handgun ammunition or per bullet, in which the accumulated fee amount may not exceed the cost to pay for the infrastructure, implementation, operational, enforcement, and future development costs of these provisions. Effective January 1, 2020, except some provisions effective immediately."
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=1586&GAID=15&DocTypeID=HB&LegId=116073&SessionID=108
Seriously? That would break the ISPFSB. No, it's not going to pass, most likely, but that's there our legislators' heads are at. And any failing they can just lay the blame at the foot of the ISP.
Face it, city, county, and state can't keep track of parolee's, its no secret the electronic monitoring system is a joke! At the same time, what difference does it make if a convicted felon obtains a gun....how many illegal immigrants are in this country and pretty much doing whatever, whenever they want, regardless of the morals, traditions and laws of the USA. Immigrants are coming here and actually implementing their own rules, militia's and governments in the USA! The real problem is, the tax the shit out of everything democ"RATS" and their loyal following of bleeding heart liberals. These assholes have made more useless unenforceable rules and continue to raise taxes and give away money to everybody but those that earned it!!! What could go wrong with a system like this!!!???
FOR ONE (1) THE DAY THE PEOPLE WHO EARN WISEUP AND LEAVE THE STATE AND ALL THAT IS LEFT ARE THE LEECHES AND BOTTOM SUCKING SCUM DWELLERS AND THE MONEY IS GONE!!! THEY ARE ALREADY LEAVING BY THE CARAVAN...SHOULDN'T BE LONG NOW...BETTER GET THE MILEAGE COUNTERS QUICK!!!
I'm more worried about the citizens like me that ISP is endangering by not doing its job properly.
Anonymous said...
State government/agencies can't always be perfect.
2/19/2019 12:29:00 AM
That is not true at all, all the politicians in illannoy are perfect, PERFECT ASSHOLES!!!
The voters got what they bargained for and anyone with a brain is moving out of illannoy!!!
Well I always said that it should be one universal system to avoid states from keeping arrest from one another.
http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2019-02-18/man-found-guilty-15th-driving-while-revoked-violation.html
ISP and SOS going around to tow cars of revolked drivers too? they kills folks as well.
Remember Madigan is calling the shots!
I lived in Washington DC when they had the most draconian gun laws in the country and I didn't give a shit. Never gave any reason to face prosecution, but, like the old saying goes....I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Stop calling him JB the Hutt. Untill he f**ks with us. Right now he's against constitutional convention . That opens up and pensions are gone. Pension is the end game
2/19/2019 03:56:00 AM
He is an anti-gun hack, he’s already fucked with us. But oh right, pensions are more important than the Bill of Rights. Wouldn’t want to lose out on those 30 pieces of silver.
Fingerprints for a FOID? Not a cop, but to that I say F off. FOID is bad enough. Only state that has one to my knowledge. This state will soon make criminals out of law abiding citizens. Have fun with that.
Judas Priest, lets make some more unenforceable gun laws so the sheep feel better. The people that hate the government want more government.
Basic rules for life, criminals don't follow the law. Last I checked, to stop a criminal - you shoot him in the face.
And that Demorat tool Sean Casten is calling for MORE gun laws.
Said that it is needed to politicise this event.
Just like Rahm "Never let a crisis go to waste.
Vote all these moron demorats out
(OT) was watching the May oral debate yesterday and channel 11 and Willie Wilson that man had so many truthful statements it was incredible the things he says he may not be the best candidate but he stands up he mans up and he says what he feels he called out Toni and Susie big time yesterday.. It was funny what are you just the two of them since they already have a job and they are working for the taxpayers why were they even there they’re already getting paid they already have a position in yet the running for something else it was great watching him he said many more things this guy is really hits him like he should shows and exposes the corruption and how corrupt they all are they got Bill Daley sitting there oh my god there’s nose is getting longer as he thought you only one that was decent there besides Willie was Paul Vallas without a doubt I’m gonna vote for Paul is not the best candidate but at least he’s got some decent thought process
Secure weapons???
How about a real background check! Why would anyone just check the Illinois database it takes the same amount of time .
All the ass hats have to do is say they lost the weapon and report it stolen.
Again politician coming up with law enforcement issues.
Why doesnt anyone ask how come the company didnt let employees carry concealed weapons at work. You dont think human resource people are gonna request armed security for firing employees.
And since we dont have gun registrations how would anyone know how many guns a person have.
How about the CEO of the company crying on TV? Why was this asshat getting fired? Why wasn't security in place at the firing? Why did a company policy override the 2nd amendment of the Constitution, and disallowed those workers their right to defend themselves?
A $10 card for a $100 worth of background check.
Yeah that works.
$150 5-yr for civilian CC vs. $75 1-yr. for IROCC.
Rather cheap for the civilian and generous, of course a retiree could always relinquish the irocc.
Anyway, what’s the IL FOID law say about these Cook County Expungement Fairs?
Question of the Day: Are past violent transgressions, juvenile included, eliminated from background checks?
You get one guess mon frere.
Mismanagement or conspiracy?
Where’s the money going, is this just an attempt to eventually abolish any and all forms of gun ownership?
FOIDs are registries for the law abiding and now are going to be used as a method for Democrat confiscation programs.
If the crimes for unlawfully using firearms during violent rampages were enforced, punishement swift and meaningful, especially those young if age and including first timer adults, things would be lot different.
How many violent armed feral get charged for IL No FOID agin?
Democrats just flatly refuse to enforce the laws, just excuses for the nuts, loons and angry.
They are not interested in any form of law and order being maintained.
It’s that violence has been tolerated and acceptable to elected Democrats any forever gives them a false agenda.
JB Toilette is willing to heighten the IL rules and set stringent measures affecting the law abiding to set his examples, whereas Cook County pampers the armed feral criminals.
By the way, any idea how many Chicago Sanctuary City ID’s are out there?
Remember, ID’s are racist.
And Democrats like JB Toilets don’t want any backgrounds revealed to ICE.
Yeah, $10 gets you a Democrat free pass.
Lets face it, the ISP also has manpower problems. They should have about a thousand more guy.
Springfield gutted them.
Wanna guess why the ISP has no appetite for going out and confiscating illegally held guns?
Get your Googlefu working and look up Ruby Ridge and the Siege at Waco.
Ok,how did this guy slip thru a LEADS/CQH check multiple times??? Once for the FOID, at least once for the gun he bought, did he buy more?? And then once more for a CCW permit???
Each time you buy a gun from a dealer you go thru a NICS check. How did he not pop up??? I understand he had a felony from MO.
Anonymous said...
Finger prints for a FOID run thru national data base would solve problem.
2/19/2019 04:06:00 AM
Oh great here comes 1984. How about retina and facial recog too?? How about DNA swab all gun owners or those applying for guns?? What next a nice tattoo on my arm and walk down the Himmel Strasse???
I don't think anyone want to go knockin on doors asking for peoples firearms...just sayin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ULHUdQU7tg
Has Ed the Shit Head Burke turned in his 23 handguns that he had in his Office? How about the ones he has in his compound/home ! Whom did he turn them into, and when?
You know whats really in vogue now,a company is giving seminars to many other companies about "social media and depression," was interesting to sit through we as coppers know far to well how bad all the fakebook,and other social media platforms are! that is like so many people glued to "fake news" constantly and believing the dishonest media spin. How many coppers have been harmed due to social media lies, then the news media bastardizing them constantly? Look at how they hound coppers as soon as they get a tentacle into you it is your whole family. look no farther than the JVD diabolical.
Not a fan of Eddie Burke, but not only are they after him, they are after his staff, his children, and everyone they can get associated with him.Burke was the go-to guy for the media on historic matters,and now they are turning the blade in his back. The media is not your friend, funny at crime scenes you see some coppers looking at the new younger reporter and giving information, not thinking with the correct head and when they get the blow-back they pout.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Stop calling him JB the Hutt. Untill he f**ks with us. Right now he's against constitutional convention . That opens up and pensions are gone. Pension is the end game
2/19/2019 03:56:00 AM
He is an anti-gun hack, he’s already fucked with us. But oh right, pensions are more important than the Bill of Rights. Wouldn’t want to lose out on those 30 pieces of silver.
2/19/2019 09:14:00 AM
And how many of these anti-gun hacks were endorsed by the IL State FOP Lodge?
All of them.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Lets face it, the ISP also has manpower problems. They should have about a thousand more guy.
Springfield gutted them.
2/19/2019 01:42:00 PM
And the gutting continues. Lt. Gov Julianna wants her OWN executive security detail. That will easily double manpower in that unit.
But nothing for the road troops.
Lets not confuse the fuck ups in the FOID division with the real ISP warriors on the road dealing with the scum of society!You Road Dogs are the REAL ISP!! Keep up the good work!
Anonymous said...
Finger prints for a FOID run thru national data base would solve problem.
2/19/2019 04:06:00 AM
Ok so to get your prescribed medications, you have to submit your fingerprints, you know, to solve the opioid problem. Right?
Maybe instead of law abiding gun owner registration, why not just have felons registration with local LEO and felons carry the super special IDs instead of the rest of us! Let's try THAT.
ISP is trying to do an impossible job with a shitty law that was broken from the start. Of course it won't be perfect, it is not meant to catch them all, just the dumb/unlucky
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
Stop calling him JB the Hutt. Untill he f**ks with us. Right now he's against constitutional convention . That opens up and pensions are gone. Pension is the end game
2/19/2019 03:56:00 AM
He is an anti-gun hack, he’s already fucked with us. But oh right, pensions are more important than the Bill of Rights. Wouldn’t want to lose out on those 30 pieces of silver.
2/19/2019 09:14:00 AM
The Bill of Rights, gun control, can fight on a NATIONAL battle.
My pension is a local, ILL & Chicago battle.
Yes, in ILL & Chicago pensions ARE more important.
Give me 30 pieces of silver, I'll give it to the pension fund.
Got my ducks in a row and preparing for the 60 mile commute as I type this. I'm a law-abiding gun owner, business owner, taxpayer, and if this law passes and Governor Pork Chop signs it, I'm out. Picking up my toys and leaving. It truly pisses me off, them forcing lifelong residents to uproot and move to another state (Registration? Are you KIDDING?) while the criminal scum are allowed to run wild with no consequences. But hey, I'm just one Bible-thumping, gun-toting moron...they won't miss me.
"Maybe instead of law abiding gun owner registration, why not just have felons registration with local LEO and felons carry the super special IDs instead of the rest of us!
Let's try THAT."
WOW! Great idea.
i have a question i have not been able to get a straight answer to. about 45 minutes after the mercy hospital shootout, shortbus ed was on tv describing the number, make and models of the guns the shooter bought and when he bought them 5 years before. i thought the instant check system info was by law to be deleted shortly after the sale specifically so as not to create back door registration. ive not seen anyone question this. i asked at cabelas gun counter at christmas and the guy hemmed and hawed and said the atf keeps all the info. as i said i thought i had read over the years national registration was illegal and the info was to be deleted. even remember reading something about obama trying to circumvent this to have back door registration. so does the atf have a list of all guns and ammo you buy and keep it forever? should be really easy for the software to red flag the straw buyers who travel outside their home areas and buy dozens of glocks regularly like tonis always talking about indiana and wisconsin etc. any gun team guys got an answer?
No one is perfect. Governmental entities make mistakes all the time.
"Way to go Barney, You beat everything you know that?"
Sheriff Andy Taylor
Mayberry N C
Anonymous said...
Finger prints for a FOID run thru national data base would solve problem.
2/19/2019 04:06:00 AM
Where would a working person get fingerprinted? Our village, like a lot of others, Police stations are closed on weekends. Further punishment for wanting to own a gun, having to take off work to do it? How about actually charging criminals with the laws we currently have? Fucking, unfucking believable!
Antone here think that guy would still have had a gun even if he was never given a foid card?
If this passes I’ll just cancel my social media for a few weeks so I can put on the application that I don’t have any social media accounts and then after I receive my FOID card I will start them up again. Will be good for 10 more years
Interesting post above in regards to gun purchase records being deleted as required. They are not.
Some years back I was contacted by a CPD Detective in regards to a European made compact semi auto that I then purchased maybe 2-3 years prior that matched the description of a gun used to shoot a Chicago cop.This shooting was in an alley outside of a residential garage if I recall.
Anyway, the detective was contacting all KNOWN purchasers of this not so popular at the time semi auto model to verify the said gun was still in personal possession. I lived in Western burbs at the time. I complied. The binder the female Detective was holding was inches thick of gun purchase info.
Nothing is deleted.
2/19/2019 04:06:00 AM
Where would a working person get fingerprinted? Our village, like a lot of others, Police stations are closed on weekends. Further punishment for wanting to own a gun, having to take off work to do it? How about actually charging criminals with the laws we currently have? Fucking, unfucking believable!
2/20/2019 09:33:00 AM
Closed on weekends. You have to be kidding. Go before or after work to get fingerprinted on a weekday
Anonymous said...
"Maybe instead of law abiding gun owner registration, why not just have felons registration with local LEO and felons carry the super special IDs instead of the rest of us!
Let's try THAT."
WOW! Great idea.
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That would be racist.
JP actually IS messing with all of you. He is a DEMOCRAT who stands with all the other DEMOCRATS. Wake up yall, dens are not your friends and they do not care about you, at all, ever. They never did. You WILL go under the bus.
From the Cig tax to the attempt to impose the progressive income tax on us all, to a ammo tax and god forbid any of you have guns stolen multiple times or fail to report a theft with 72 hours...dems will roll you up instantly! So why not stop with the denials?
JP is a uber rich democrat just like Nancy Pelosi. Pssst, who do you think went after those pensions, via health insurance costs increases...unlawfully i might add? Oh yeah, illinois DEMOCRATS did, you know Pricksters Party. See that yet???
Sheeeah, some people just wont see it no matter how obvious it gets.
WATCH as he signs the Chicago Violence Reduction bill, sending control of CPD to Springfield, the ultimate MERIT Hires! Lets see how the Cease Fire legislation works out , mmmmmmmk???
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