Get Rid of "Gold Braid"
- The Illinois Supreme Court once again has illuminated for Illinois taxpayers the need to amend the rigid pension clause of the state constitution. The justices on Thursday upheld as constitutional a teacher pension for a retired lobbyist who substitute taught for one day.
Sub for a day. Pension for life. It’s outrageous. The Supreme Court continues to interpret the pension clause to the extreme.
The ruling upheld a controversial state law that allowed a lobbyist for the Illinois Federation of Teachers, David Piccioli, to become certified as a substitute teacher in December 2006 by working one day at a Springfield elementary school — and to buy pension credit for his 10 previous years working as a lobbyist. That sweet deal qualified him for a pension windfall from a teachers retirement fund that as of late 2018 carried an unfunded liability of more than $75 billion-with-a-B. Because he also draws a pension from a previous job as a House Democratic aide, Piccioli’s total pension income now rises to nearly $100,000. His pensionable income from the Teachers’ Retirement System is based off his salary from the IFT— another questionable pension loophole, which the Supreme Court upheld last year.
There has been a suggestion presented in our comment section numerous times and it might be about time for the FOP and PBPA to turn it into an actual proposal:
- Eliminate the "gold braid" provison;
- Any pensioner tops out at their earned civil service rank.
- Merit babies must revert to their EARNED spot.
There's no reason to have 50 or 70 or more Captains earning a higher pension at a spot they were gifted by politicians. Twenty years ago we had 6 Deputy Chiefs, and now we have 18, all due to earn inflated pensions that have nothing to do with their ability and everything to do with who they know/blow/spawned from/contribute to.
Special Ed would revert to what? Sergeant pension? Three-and-four-time merit morons would revert to Patrolman salaries, and rightfully so.
"Earned, not Given" is a punchline, not an entitlement to a system that is already overloaded and thisclose to going bankrupt.
If they open the Constitution, everyone is going to take a haircut. Better to sacrifice the political animals to save the rest.
Special Ed would revert to what? Sergeant pension? Three-and-four-time merit morons would revert to Patrolman salaries, and rightfully so.
"Earned, not Given" is a punchline, not an entitlement to a system that is already overloaded and thisclose to going bankrupt.
If they open the Constitution, everyone is going to take a haircut. Better to sacrifice the political animals to save the rest.
Labels: pension
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
110 Comments:
This state is finally starting to collapse under the weight of it's own bullshit. Don't get pissed or stress about it cause the entire political scene downtown and in Springfield is more rigged then harness racing on a Monday night. The 1's downtown doing their "funnin" do so at no regard and no fear that Kim Foxx will do anything. Remember bond reform is a fancy term for let violent offenders out early. What could go wrong.
You're gonna get to keep what you've earned, up to the point the constitution is changed. After that, you will be stuck with whatever new laws the democrats pass. So anybody that has half a brain will retire "prior" to the constitutional change, therefore locking in your pension under the previous "cannot be diminished" constitutional interpretations. That's what I'm doing, along with moving from this shithole democratic run state.
I'm not a geek, so quit staring at my pencil
99999 that’s all someone should earn from any pension it’s reasonable and fair. Thoughts
I totally agree! CFD get pension pay out at ther sworn service rate not their gold star rate. CPD needs to get more inline with CFD.
Can we also throw in...
Term Limits
• 2 terms at a time (then you have to run for another office or better yet, GET A JOB before you return to politics).
• No campaigning for one office while occupying another (My job won't let me look for another job on their time, why should the taxpayers?)
A maximum of ONE government pension
• Okay, make it the highest one. That's fair.
Prohibit pension fund antics such as that of Little Dick Daley, who increased his pension amount by briefly rejoining the General Assembly plan, guaranteeing him 85% of his mayoral salary, before returning to the city plan.
(https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2012-05-02-ct-met-pensions-daley-20120502-story.html)
Reduce elected official's pensions by the amount they make in private jobs after their departure from office.
Restructure the city pension plan so that no elected/appointed official draws a higher percentage than the lowest city pension plan.
Just a few ideas...for starters.
rb
I don't care what anybody else is getting, earned or stolen.
I just want MY PENSION as promised, with 3% COLA as promised.
No Con-Con 2020!
Gold Braid = Political Pay-Off...
99% of the busters S T E A L I N G
a Gold Braid pension are undeserving
and need to be forced to pay the money back...
Fuck them and theirs ALL in their thieving
asses if they don't like it because deep in
their lump-of-coal hearts they KNOW they're
thieves...
Every drunken, thieving, whoring, over-inflated
ex gold-star bozo showing up at a corner spot to
"hold court" ought to put out on their big, wide,
flat, stupid, useless asses with matching size 12
boot prints branded onto both ass pockets...
Hiya boss...
Pay for your own drink boss...
You stole enough money boss...
Pay that money back boss...
Fuck you and your clout too boss...
Why does every single interview of Special Ed constantly throughout the interview begin with a response , “well....ya know.....” public speaking at his best !
Let it cap out at Lt pay.
“Sub for a day. Pension for life. It’s outrageous. The Supreme Court continues to interpret the pension clause to the extreme.”
Right here is the opening for white the pension will unravel— once the judges say this pension is invalid or that pension is invalid; only when they decide to self destruct and allow a pension to dissolve— then their own pension is going to dissolve as well. Things will get there though
Funny how they ruled regarding state employees retired health care in 2014. Said it was protected in the state constitution declaring the retirees benefits couldn’t be diminished. Then in our retirees case which mirrored the state retirees case, they decided not to hear the case
It's time to start rounding these folks up and burning them at the stake. Literally. There's no reason for hard working blue collar people to sit and suffer while a bunch of bloated shitbags with no real skills in life profit.
Off topic, but...https://abc7chicago.com/cook-county-states-attorney-kim-foxx-lets-derrion-albert-killer-off-the-hook/5240786/
Couldn't agree with you more SCC!
Absolutely. Gold Braid should be tossed.
Don’t be so generous with Special Ed, SCC.
This guy couldn’t make Patrol Boy without help.
But, but how would we separate the clouted from the commoners? What a world.
The idea of capping the pension For retirement at Lt.is the best idea yet . This will allow us to be seen as willing to compromise . I feel that the increase for pay during your career is enough and people who are fortunate to rise up through the ranks should invest the extra money, not spend it. Most will not get promoted , so any reduction in pension will effect them more . I say make the highest pay out Lt. , I'll vote for that .
4/10/2019 12:44:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why does every single interview of Special Ed constantly throughout the interview begin with a response , “well....ya know.....” public speaking at his best !
4/10/2019 12:44:00 AM
He has no business being the superintendent. He was told to take the job. It was embarrassing listening to him talk on the TV circuit during the Smellit dismissal.
Should have been done a long time ago. All the merit promotions do is pad retirement for the connected. Should be your highest civil service rank. Since Captain is all merit and clout now, top it off at lieutenant.
Because of these clout babies that have had their pensions padded, everyone's will be cut when the money runs out.
And shit like this also;
You, Molaro, Burke and $3 million
https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/ct-xpm-2011-12-19-ct-edit-pension-20111219-story.html
So you write some bullshit paper and you double your pension real nice plus they get 80% of the pension and 3% or more compounded interest plus they get other jobs as lobbyists and other kinds of things like that dire so you write some bullshit paper and you double your paycheck real nice plus they get 80% of the pension and 3% or more compounded interest they are literally raping the pension funds!
I like the "earned" idea for pensions. Plus max pension on Lt either way.
ahh but the income tax???
SCC, you've outdone yourself again.
Bravo!
Retired from Indianapolis Metro Police Dept. EVERYONE here retires as a patrolman! No gold braid pensions. Indiana pension fund is also 100 percent funded. Although I make less in retirement, I have every expectation of getting my retirement. Any younger officer over there might consider coming to republican Indiana!
Kudos SCC, I have been saying that since before “back in the day”. An editorial with common sense.
What is Lightfoot gonna do about this. Is she aware of the corrupt promotion process I the Police Department. Now is the time to stop these GOLD BRAID rewards time is really running out! What about that change pre election promise?
•Eliminate the "gold braid" provison;
•Any pensioner tops out at their earned civil service rank.
•Merit babies must revert to their EARNED spot.
There's no reason to have 50 or 70 or more Captains earning a higher pension at a spot they were gifted by politicians. Twenty years ago we had 6 Deputy Chiefs, and now we have 18
Another Way to do it , Lieutenants run Districts , Captain rank reduced to 15 run areas , Bureau , Create a Corporal rank to supervise Patrolman , Sergeants would act as Field District supervisor , use all extra money to hire patrolman
Inspectors should hold rank of SERGEANT not a coward captain For years Lieutenants were Inspectors and back then it should have been a sergeants assignment
I agree SCC
I’m skeptical though in that once the con-con is allowed the phony pols will then have an open door to put in their own agendas at our expense.
They can’t be trusted
Guess the new governor isn’t going to end this to save money.
I think this Illinois Supreme Court situation is simple, and another example of how corrupt and incompetent Illinois government (as is Cook County and City of Chicago) truly is. Judge Ann Burke should not be a judge, she's unqualified, poorly-educated, barely fit to be a storefront attorney, and yet "miraculously" elevated to the Illinois Supreme Court in a few short years of practice after attending a 3rd-rate law school as a career-retread, supremely benefitting from Ed Burke's political kingdom. She's the white version of Kimm Foxx. Neither is competent enough to execute their judiciary position. Both are causing grievous harm to Illinois/Cook County residents. Both perform their duties with minimal effort, motivated only by personal interests which conflict with the duties of their governmental positions. Of course Judge Burke rules in this manner on pension issues; she has significant conflicts of interest concerning this issue, concerning Ed's own police pension, her school teacher pension, et al. This same woman who attempted to legally steal a woman's child via foster-care program. The Burkes belong on Game of Thrones, because they are as evil, as corrupt as the characters on a television drama.
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So we all pitched in for a portable generator to power your
CPAP machine in the event of a power outage. We're
sending it over along with a union electrician for the
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while he's there, no charge.
So Dave, keep your ass clean and sweet dreams.
------Da Guys
We have so many unqualified bosses in created spots that it almost seem that they out number district personnel. I wonder just how many of them actually passed a test
F@CKING JOKE
I dont think exempts should even be in the police pension!
They are appointed.
They are Mayoral staff.
They dont even have to be police officers certified by this state!
So why should they be in the pension?
If a person chooses to leave the Rank of LIE-TENANT they would be required to resign from that position. No further police credits should be allowed in the police pension.
A new pension could be created and they could also get rid of the mandatory 63 and out since the exempts would be management not police.
or they can retire at the last rank and then continue on as merit exempt.
Just picture 100's of merit exempts in the future all making over 150k in retirement
for a spot that the mayor put them in for .
Ask yourself why The unions would not fight this?
Yes absolutely scc all these merits clowns go back to patolemen for pensions love the idea
Not having a Con-Con in 2020 does not matter. A Constitutional amendment can filed at ANY time.
Off topic, but...https://abc7chicago.com/cook-county-states-attorney-kim-foxx-lets-derrion-albert-killer-off-the-hook/5240786/
4/10/2019 03:52:00 AM
Hey Dahleen Glanton, you race-hating Trib columnist. Here's one for you. Black on black killer gets all the love and joy from Kim Foxx. Black family of victim gets none.
How's it feel now, Dahleen? Gonna write more recycled crap for the Trib now?
Anyone hear from Krislov lately?
Asking for a friend.
yes get rid of pension corruptors? they are scumbags playing the system
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You're gonna get to keep what you've earned, up to the point the constitution is changed. After that, you will be stuck with whatever new laws the democrats pass. So anybody that has half a brain will retire "prior" to the constitutional change, therefore locking in your pension under the previous "cannot be diminished" constitutional interpretations. That's what I'm doing, along with moving from this shithole democratic run state.
4/10/2019 12:23:00 AM
You actually think these scumbags won’t diminish your pension just because you retired? They will change the law to do just that. They make the rules not us honest hard working citizens who contributed and earned their pension. If they do this they will destroy first responders lives and never get people to apply for the job again. I do agree that gold braid needs to go. Lt should be the highest you get. Because after that it’s all clout and connections going up the gravy train.
Great Editorial, Chicago Tribune.
Excellent work in making this schlub David Piccioli seem like he's Public Enemy #1 while ignoring the REAL THIEVES, Democrat politicians who've pulled this Pension Scam off over the years as it's part of their birthright.
Like, oh... say... Richie Daley.
Oops, I'm not supposed to remember that article, am I!
Yeah, that news disappeared faster than the UFO crash in Roswell, New Mexico back in July of 1947.
So let's go Tribune Editorial Board, how about a nice piece on how Daley is ripping off Illinois Taxpayers by double -- and triple? -- dipping into numerous pensions for 'jobs' he's, excuse the term, 'worked', a day at.
Oh, feel free to name all the OTHER Democrats who've pulled this scam on us Taxpayers!!
Im thinking this guy was like a union guy, really a teacher, but stepped aside to do a different job. So he should get the pension.
I could be wrong.
All the suck holes gold braid pensioners most all of them pompous assholes,
OT: what’s going on disgraced Cmdr Johnson, the social security scammer ? Merit promoted extraordinaire.
He was allowed to quietly “resign” when the superintendent was alerted by the Feds of his impending indictment on ss fraud.
This guy committed this fraud a good portion of his merit promoted career and is enjoying a cmdr pension. What’s wrong with that ?
A nice thought, but you know that this will never happen. 1/3 of all detectives, sergeants and lieutenants and 100% of all ranks above lieutenant are appointed by the political class. Yes, they say that these merit promotees have passed a promotion exam, but unless things have recently changed, you only need a 40% correct score to be considered as " passing" the written exam. You do not need to test any further as you are now " qualified" to be promoted. I have known people who were told they would be merit promoted and did not test any further and never made any list. It is corrupt, no doubt and I do not think that the political class is about to give that perk up.Yes, I do think that they will end up opening up the state constitution and altering the pensions in some part.
I am a conservative. We don't need pensions. Just give the money to each worker and they can manage their own money. Same with health insurance. Conservatives believe in freedom. Liberals believe in slavery to the state.
The City is not broke.. they haven’t made a contribution to our pension fund since it probably began. It’s these politicians & the corrupt gold stars that are fucking this city up.
OT
The heart of the caravan is in Chicago and is being funded by
George Soros. See Glenn Beck.com
-------this will explain the border charade.
(Quote per Glenn Beck, 4-10-2019)
Wheezie would drop to a patrolman pension?
Oh, the humanity! Could she still afford her Lexus and all of her trips then?
Amen rb
4/10/2019 12:39:00 AM
End this double/triple...dipping. I get one pension no matter how many ranks I move up because I have one profession: policeman. These politicians also have one profession: politician. Hence, one pension.
Anonymous said...
You're gonna get to keep what you've earned, up to the point the constitution is changed. After that, you will be stuck with whatever new laws the democrats pass. So anybody that has half a brain will retire "prior" to the constitutional change, therefore locking in your pension under the previous "cannot be diminished" constitutional interpretations. That's what I'm doing, along with moving from this shithole democratic run state.
4/10/2019 12:23:00 AM
Really? Wow! How did you get to be on the lawmakers speed dial? The discussion hasn’t even started and you already know the outcome? You must be one very influential person.
If the politicians screw first responders Illinois will crumble to the ground. Already no one wants the job. Who will apply for it then? Can you imagine how demoralized police and firefighters will be after contributing to the pension their whole working lives and then being stabbed in the back by politicians that claim to appreciate them? It’s way too late in the financial planning game to make adjustments. If we knew that they’d diminish our pensions we could have taken another career. We could have planned accordingly. This would be devastating.
Technically it is the legislatures failure for passing the statutory laws. The court is just enforcing the constitutionally guaranteed contract.
Will never happen we had some hope with Lori knowing her background but then this happened the old boys the money men sat her down and told her how it was going to be:
Lightfoot’s late-night reversal paves the way for OK of Lincoln Yards, The 78
https://chicago.suntimes.com/business/lincoln-yards-the-78-lori-lightfoot-subsidies/
She had her ideas and did the old "I think we should do it this way and wait until I'm sworn in," then the "no this is the way chicago works," as she is sat down and told what she will be required to do!
Was it short of like this with the wise men:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJqSJ2jXEU0
There is probably no other entity that is as egregious as the CPD in handing out very undeserved promotions along with the respective pay and pensions. There are many members of the Department who are incompetent idiots to begin with. Many of these so-called bosses actually look in the mirror and are impressed with themselves, even though they were given everything while earning nothing. This is shameful. The Department wonders why some members tragically end their lives? I don’t know the reasons but I do know that this job cannot help if someone is vulnerable. It is depressing. Special Ed, just look at your wife and her “study group” along with pretty much all of your hand picks. Good luck preserving life and safety in the crime ridden neighborhoods because you loaded the top of the Department with unqualified, undeserving and incompetent ingrates. Hang your head in shame (but you won’t).
Raise interest rates pension plans had no problems when they were above 10% if had a couple hundred grand in saving you used to be able to live off the interest.
Agree, there should be some common sense about the ability and arcane methods to collecting pensions through loopholes.
Didn't Looberman and JPud try to game the system but the courts didn’t rule in their favor?
Never had to pass a Part 2 of any exam Jugghaid SpecialEd, holding on to threads as he tries to make his 75%. Greedy old incompetent fool that he is.
It’s been my argument that IL Pensions laws will never be altered or diminished by politicians because Teachers Unions/Associations have the biggest lobby across the board. They also operate the most lucrative of all the IL pension funds, way beyond private and First Responder funds and maybe only second to the various other state civil pension funds.
Its why they (inept teachers) went bonkers with the Rauner Right to Work legislation. Less dues paid and collected mean’t it was going to cut into funding political campaign contributions, liberal social agendas, lobbying and a disinterested politician. Secondary issue would be less operating money available for union membership interests, less operational funds equals a defunct union and no representation and no more raises, benefits etc.
Needless to say, Home Rule stymied that farce by negotiating dues collection (fair share) into contracts.
Why else does only CTU/CPS contribute a scant 2% (new contract coming soon) ...and still eagerly endorsed tax monger Prickwrinkle?
All pension matters will remain status quo, up to a point and taxing them is the only way JB Squeez DeezNutz can conjure revenue for sanctuary entitlements.
But if we First Responders at some point are the only ones going to be subject to limits of pensions, then the Gold Braid must remain because the likelihood is great that further amendments would trickle down right to the flunky patrolman.
The course they’ll follow is that the Police are bad and just a represent a different agenda than that the consistent Democrats narrative.
As long a these people continue to favor the Teachers Retirement Fund, we should be ok, but a weakened fund will likely be first to fall.
With JB Pignuts and a weaseling 3/5’s majority only time will tell just how deep they’ll willing to reach into our pockets again or not require funding the shortfalls.
1223am is correct.
How did the Fire Department eliminate the “Gold” pensions?
You will get what you have earned up until the bill is passed take it to the bank,so lets get residency removed after 10 yrs of service.
"99999 that’s all someone should earn from any pension it’s reasonable and fair. Thoughts "
My first thought is you are stupid. My second thought is you must be a troll.
Here's what is reasonable and fair.
I want what was promised plus the 3% cola as promised.
I want my pension over "99999" and continued by 3% every year.
The pension is NOT a gift or charity from the city. It is money the city OWES us.
It is OUR money the city took away, with a promise to contribute to it and return
it to us at 75% of our salary when we retire, plus 3% cola.
The city has money for Rahm's & Obama's legacy projects,
the city MUST find the money that it OWES us.
NO CON CON 2020 ! ! !
Yes sir! The pension funds are running out of money.
I wonder why?
I wonder ...
wait what is this:
Now that Lincoln Yards and The 78 have cleared final votes, here's what you need to know about them and what's next
https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/columnists/ori/ct-biz-lincoln-yards-the-78-tif-votes-ryan-ori-20190405-story.html
Hmm:First, in a vote delayed from Monday, the City Council’s Finance Committee approved up to $2.4 billion in tax increment financing to support new infrastructure around the mixed-use developments along the Chicago River. Later Wednesday the full City Council gave its blessing.
The Finance Committee’s scheduled vote Monday had been delayed after Lightfoot, who is set to be sworn in as Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s successor next month, expressed concerns and said she wanted to negotiate a better deal for the city. Late Tuesday, she announced her support for the TIF packages after developers of the two projects agreed to increase the amount of construction work going to minority- and women-owned businesses.
More questions than answers wow, so lori approved in a late night deal, that is OK politics but yet rahm found 2.4 Billion in scarce taxpayers money for connected wealthy developers but yet he cannot shore up police pension fund,and remember he rapidly removed police retirees health care,after he was congratulated by a rich connected friend rahm said city count not afford it. Who got the Chicago way backdoor deal that retiring ballerina pushed through show us the money!
90% of gold braid should be working a beat car
draining our pension system
the blue shirts will be screwed if rules aren't changed
merit sarge should retire at a Patrolman salary
Cap Pension out at Lt. rate only for those that earned rank , not the merit political hacks or suck ups with knee pads
If r so-called elected officials become victims, things might change, years ago a lib-judge fell victim to crime, he then changed his whole outlook on the punishment he dealt out, can anyone of u oldtimer's remember his name? All offender's heads were shaved and they cleaned the beaches all summer. Name that judge?
Really? You know they won't sacrifice the few. the will sacrifice the many to save the few.
Lt should be the highest grade you can collect a pension on. Lt is the last testable rank. If you’re lucky enough to have your boss friends make you a Captain, commander, Deputy Chief or higher, we’ll then you’re making a very big salary for many years until retirement. You should be able to save boat loads of money and retire very wealthy on a Lts pension.
The Keesing Bandit says---
I will stare at your pencil all I want.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Sure would be nice to see Lightfoot clean house. Way too much waste on the CPD. It’s sick how many Captains Commanders and Deputy Chiefs there are. No reason for it. The Captain spot is nothing but overlap. Also get rid of the take home car perk and put them back into patrol. It would save the city big bucks in vehicles. The rest of America drives to work in their personal cars why can’t these high salaried bosses do the same?
found it funny how many guys with Dads on the job who were dicks or Lt’s scores in the top 100 on the last detective exam. Piss on my head and tellme it’s raining no cheating there. The Lt’s cheating scandal and the last dick test was complete trash.
this would open up the city to fuck with our pension and again the blue shirts will lose
OT. It’s nice knowing if they can do it, so can we
https://abc7chicago.com/amp/health/cpd-releases-video-to-encourage-officers-to-seek-mental-health-help/5240621/
Funny, these same “Golden”people end up with 100k jobs too. Their whole lives are one big “ soft landing.”
It's the political animals who own the system (and the black-robed clowns sitting on the ISC.) The odds of them taking a pension cut? Zero.
The odds of them riding this massive game of chicken head-on into collapse? 100%
It's an asset-stripping scheme.
In a state run by the successors to Al Capone.
Joe Citizen is just along for the ride, and to pay for it.
Gold braid is a massive corrupt unfair drain on the pension. Many bosses collecting $100,000 and up in yearly pension because they were connected. I believe Phil Cline and Hilard are collecting $140,000 or more. How fucked up is that? These guys are making double what a street cop is making working all year. Should be no higher than a Lts pension.
Some of the suggestions on this blog are comical...
What about the merit Sgt that is promoted to Lieutenant by score? What’s his pension going to be? There are to many exception to ever make this work... the only reasonable, true and fair solution is to eliminate the Gold Braid pension. If we have anything to rally around that “might” fly will be the elimination of the gold star pension pad.
In reality, The “haircut” is going to happen and we are the ones who will be sitting in the barber-chair.
Wheezie is very, very high maintainence.
How could she ever get by on a patrolman’s pension?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT
The heart of the caravan is in Chicago and is being funded by
George Soros. See Glenn Beck.com
-------this will explain the border charade.
(Quote per Glenn Beck, 4-10-2019)
4/10/2019 10:18:00 AM
Is your comment about pensions? No
Go advertise for "Beck" elsewhere.
I agree, all these greedy connected tools end up with another high paying position after retirement.
"Gold Braid" = Black Hole
I hope they have so much extra money they go on a
marijuana tourism crusade of the entire U.S. and smoke
their brains out. It's proven that it brings on early onset
dementia.
An audit would reveal dozens + dozens of David Piccioli's
I cannot really feel bad about the teachers’ pension fund. This was your lobbyist. He helped laws get pushed through the legislature. And now he’s taking advantage of a provision in the laws to fleece the pension fund. I wish the teachers had to suffer this, but it’ll be the taxpayers on the hook for this one.
2 Billion in tax exemption for the Lincoln Yards! But they want to cheat you out of your Pension! Gonna be a Revolution!
The CITY needs to put in what they owe. I dont give a fuck what rank you are and how you got it your paying a percentage of your pay. The more you make the more you pay. The only fuckers not paying are the CITY. With the blessing of the FOP in the past who were getting something under the table from these scumbag politicians. Let the CITY pay what they owe then we can talk about changing how we, the police pay into the fund and what we get out of it.
I'm just guessing here, but I bet Dahleen wrote plenty of
stories about Barry and was probably on the Christmas
Card list.
Dahleen Glanton, a real Sherlock Holmes she is
OT: WTF yet again we’re all screwed into poverty.
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/senate-committee-approves-progressive-income-tax-amendment-without-knowing-who-will-pay-more/
Vote against this mess ! Call your cretin senators. Flee this sinking state.
Anonymous said...
A nice thought, but you know that this will never happen. 1/3 of all detectives, sergeants and lieutenants and 100% of all ranks above lieutenant are appointed by the political class. Yes, they say that these merit promotees have passed a promotion exam, but unless things have recently changed, you only need a 40% correct score to be considered as " passing" the written exam. You do not need to test any further as you are now " qualified" to be promoted. I have known people who were told they would be merit promoted and did not test any further and never made any list. It is corrupt, no doubt and I do not think that the political class is about to give that perk up.Yes, I do think that they will end up opening up the state constitution and altering the pensions in some part.
4/10/2019 09:51:00 AM
Detective merit is only 20% not 30% like Sgt and Lt.
2:44 called it. Exactly!!!
Anonymous said...
Some of the suggestions on this blog are comical...
What about the merit Sgt that is promoted to Lieutenant by score? What’s his pension going to be? There are to many exception to ever make this work... the only reasonable, true and fair solution is to eliminate the Gold Braid pension. If we have anything to rally around that “might” fly will be the elimination of the gold star pension pad.
In reality, The “haircut” is going to happen and we are the ones who will be sitting in the barber-chair.
4/10/2019 04:46:00 PM
The fuck you say...
A barber chair would be a tender mercy compared to
what those dirty bastards REALLY want to do to us.
Hog-tied, shorn, slaughtered and left to rot because
we're Policemen and we don't fit into their plans
for the future.
Funny... Nary a peep being said about the
gibs-me-dat horde being given a benefits haircut...
Well... Police tend to abide by rules that proscribe
hunting down and lynching politicians, editorial board members
and civic leaders who advocate legislative sleight-of-hand
in order to facilitate reneging on "shall no be impaired or
diminished."
The gibs-me-dat horde?
They will straight up slaughter the politicians, editorial board
members and civic leaders who utter a single syllable about THEM
taking a touch-up, let alone the full on shearing everyone is
demanding that Policemen take.
Heh...
No small wonder they're also colloquially known as
"The Free Shit Army."
While we’re dreaming, please add an amendment that states civil service promotions must be attained by passing an exam, an exam where the answers were not given the examinee in advance.
The "Gold Braid" solution is already here in the form of Tier 2 employees.
Everyone hired AFTER 1 January 2011 including FUTURE exempts will NOT get a pension more than $104,000 in 2011 dollars.
That $104,000 is in "2011 dollars" and to find out how much that is in today's dollars (or future dollars) you need to go to the "CPI calculator" below. (It would be $120,000 in 2019 dollars)
https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm
Anonymous said...
You're gonna get to keep what you've earned, up to the point the constitution is changed. After that, you will be stuck with whatever new laws the democrats pass. So anybody that has half a brain will retire "prior" to the constitutional change, therefore locking in your pension under the previous "cannot be diminished" constitutional interpretations. That's what I'm doing, along with moving from this shithole democratic run state.
4/10/2019 12:23:00 AM
Really? Wow! How did you get to be on the lawmakers speed dial? The discussion hasn’t even started and you already know the outcome? You must be one very influential person.
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The one thing politicians count on is dumb, ignorant cops, and you fit the bill. Everything I mentioned above has been discussed on the news for at least 5yrs. They are trying to come up with ways to win in court regarding the "cannot be diminished" clause, and one of those ways was to grant officers whatever they've earned, in effect not diminishing anything, but then switch them to whatever new law gets passed. Read the fucking national and state news articles regarding police pensions. They're all over google.
Didn't Anne Burke vote against the Constitutional Rights of public employees in the large pension case and now votes for the constitutional rights of political hacks?
90% of gold braid should be working a beat car
draining our pension system
4/10/2019 01:15:00 PM
Ha... would be working mcdonald's if they were lucky.
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You're gonna get to keep what you've earned, up to the point the constitution is changed. After that, you will be stuck with whatever new laws the democrats pass. So anybody that has half a brain will retire "prior" to the constitutional change, therefore locking in your pension under the previous "cannot be diminished" constitutional interpretations. That's what I'm doing, along with moving from this shithole democratic run state.
4/10/2019 12:23:00 AM
You actually think these scumbags won’t diminish your pension just because you retired? They will change the law to do just that. They make the rules not us honest hard working citizens who contributed and earned their pension. If they do this they will destroy first responders lives and never get people to apply for the job again. I do agree that gold braid needs to go. Lt should be the highest you get. Because after that it’s all clout and connections going up the gravy train.
4/10/2019 09:23:00 AM"
Don't ever forget, when things get real bad again the politicians will just change the rules. Bank on it. Start putting money away in another 401 or 403b. You are naive to think you'll "lock in" anything.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You're gonna get to keep what you've earned, up to the point the constitution is changed. After that, you will be stuck with whatever new laws the democrats pass. So anybody that has half a brain will retire "prior" to the constitutional change, therefore locking in your pension under the previous "cannot be diminished" constitutional interpretations. That's what I'm doing, along with moving from this shithole democratic run state.
4/10/2019 12:23:00 AM
You actually think these scumbags won’t diminish your pension just because you retired? They will change the law to do just that. They make the rules not us honest hard working citizens who contributed and earned their pension. If they do this they will destroy first responders lives and never get people to apply for the job again. I do agree that gold braid needs to go. Lt should be the highest you get. Because after that it’s all clout and connections going up the gravy train.
4/10/2019 09:23:00 AM
When they do the math I think you will find giving the top scammers a hair cut will not make up enough $, that means the guys at the bottom will take a good hit if you are already retired or not. The political calculus for changing the state constitution is very problematic to the political health of any elected proponent. The new mayor can look at the books and say" wow didn't it was this bad" take the city into bankruptcy, blame previous administrations, and the federal judge whom will cut up the pie and dodge any responsibility.
One gold braid pension that should be brought back to patrolman salary is Little Jimmy Sanchez from 010. The guy has never passed a promotional test in his career. This guy walks around with his face in his phone acting as if he is better than everyone else. Someone should open up an investigation on this guy, he is real chummy with Munoz & Solis . I’m sick and tired of this merit bullshit and made up spots to hide people. When I started many years back, we never were so top heavy. Men & Woman of the CPD , we the blue shirt will always be the one to get screwed.
found it funny how many guys with Dads on the job who were dicks or Lt’s scores in the top 100 on the last detective exam. Piss on my head and tellme it’s raining no cheating there. The Lt’s cheating scandal and the last dick test was complete trash.
Dude like 50 people from 024 got promoted in the first 2 classes on the dics test...that test was severely compromised.
Adams v. City of Chicago, 135 F.3d 1150 (1998)
• Although 46% of those who took the Chicago Police Sgt. Test were minorities, only 12% were later eligible for promotion. P’s alleged disparate impact and a violation of Title VII.
• 1993 Sgt’s test (administered in first 3 months of 1994). 3 parts, the third being oral. There was no meritorious whatsoever. 4,700 took parts I (31.8% were black, 10.8% were Hispanic, and 56.4% were white) and II, of which 1,900 went on to part III. But after all three parts were graded, about 88% of those designated to be promoted to sergeant were white and 12% were minority.
• HOW MERIT CAME ABOUT.
• The plaintiffs filed an interlocutory appeal. However, during the pendency of this appeal, the City of Chicago initiated a Blue Ribbon Task Force to review the Department's promotion practices. By consent of the parties, argument on this appeal was delayed until the Task Force issued its report. In May 1997, the Task Force issued its report recommending that up to 30% of the Department's promotions to sergeant be made on the basis of "merit." This meant that current sergeants and lieutenants would pick 30% of the police officers that would be promoted to sergeant. However, the report also recommends that the current test continue to be used to assure that sergeants given "merit" promotions meet a minimum level of competence.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
You're gonna get to keep what you've earned, up to the point the constitution is changed. After that, you will be stuck with whatever new laws the democrats pass. So anybody that has half a brain will retire "prior" to the constitutional change, therefore locking in your pension under the previous "cannot be diminished" constitutional interpretations. That's what I'm doing, along with moving from this shithole democratic run state.
4/10/2019 12:23:00 AM
Really? Wow! How did you get to be on the lawmakers speed dial? The discussion hasn’t even started and you already know the outcome? You must be one very influential person.
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The one thing politicians count on is dumb, ignorant cops, and you fit the bill. Everything I mentioned above has been discussed on the news for at least 5yrs. They are trying to come up with ways to win in court regarding the "cannot be diminished" clause, and one of those ways was to grant officers whatever they've earned, in effect not diminishing anything, but then switch them to whatever new law gets passed. Read the fucking national and state news articles regarding police pensions. They're all over google.
4/11/2019 12:24:00 AM
Hate to break it to you, but you’re the only dope around if you’re getting your information from the media. No plan has been discussed. If so what’s the bill? Who wrote it? So the constitutional convention is a done deal? I don’t doubt or trust them but your doom and gloom is premature. How do you know they are going after first responders? Show us the facts. Right now nothing has been put on paper. So go retire and relax.
you guys are not alone. city employees lost their retiree medical also and the muni pension fund has about3 more years of money left. way more goes out than comes in. most dont recieve social security. so we have thousands of people in their 70s and 80s who may lose their pensions and have only medicare. what are they supposed to do? by the way i keep looking but i cant find the date that welfare is forcast to run out of money? as scc always says reward bad behavior, get more of it. hope we have enough sturdy light poles to hang these politicians from when the revolt comes.
I'll take my chances in the class action lawsuit as a retiree fighting pensions being diminished, instead of sticking around and continuing to work, when all the new democratic changes go into effect. Legal argument is better that you can't diminish what I've already been receiving as a retiree. As stated, anybody eligible to retire and collect should do it before the democrats and their stupid voters make any constitutional changes.
“You actually think these scumbags won’t diminish your pension just because you retired? They will change the law to do just that.”
Don't be surprised when a man with nothing to lose begins acting like a man with nothing to lose.
I'll take my chances in the class action lawsuit as a retiree fighting pensions being diminished, instead of sticking around and continuing to work, when all the new democratic changes go into effect. Legal argument is better that you can't diminish what I've already been receiving as a retiree. As stated, anybody eligible to retire and collect should do it before the democrats and their stupid voters make any constitutional changes
and you voted republican all these years? But you're entitled... to nothing yes a pension but the state will pay you less Enjoy and youll be taxed on it to no matter what state you move to
you guys are not alone. city employees lost their retiree medical also and the muni pension fund has about3 more years of money left. way more goes out than comes in. most dont recieve social security. so we have thousands of people in their 70s and 80s who may lose their pensions and have only medicare. what are they supposed to do? by the way i keep looking but i cant find the date that welfare is forcast to run out of money? as scc always says reward bad behavior, get more of it. hope we have enough sturdy light poles to hang these politicians from when the revolt comes.
Enjoy your sanctuary city and state And you pay for it LoL
"...piss on my head and tell me it's raining...."
Thanks. I had to go. It's raining.
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