Good News
- A man who fatally shot a would-be carjacker in the Loop has been cleared through investigation and will not be charged with a crime, Chicago police said Sunday morning.
In a shooting around 3:15 a.m. on Friday, a 41-year-old concealed carry license holder drew his own weapon after being confronted with a gun near the intersection of State Street and Ida B. Wells Drive, police said. He was in his 2015 BMW when he was rear-ended by a 22-year-old man in a 2019 Volkswagen, according to officials.
When the man in the BMW got out to check the damage to his vehicle, police have said, the other driver pulled a weapon, announced a carjacking, demanded the man’s keys and shoved the man into the BMW, where he was able to retrieve his own gun from an area on the passenger side of the car and fatally shoot the man in the head.
A couple of questions:
- Did he get his gun back yet?
- Did someone slip him a round to replace what he expended?
- When is the parade?
The grateful thanks of many thousands of taxpayers to the involved citizen.
Labels: good news
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
68 Comments:
Can he still be sued in civil court by the honor student’s family?
amen one shot one kill right to the skull need more clean shootings like this to balance out the bad shootings
You hit the nail on the head with that one SSC. Lord knows we aren’t allowed to shoot bad guys. Even when they have guns on em.
Perfect example of why not to stick around for the police if you shoot somebody legitimately with your concealed carry license. Cops take your gun, and you get brought in for questioning, with a Crook County ASA determining your future. I'd recommend you do what you gotta do, then get the hell out. Ten percent chance detectives figure it out, and if they do, lawyer up. No way in hell anybody should get mistreated like this, for killing an absolute piece of shit.
Get his gun back?
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
This is Chicago for cryin' out loud!
Policemen can't even get their duty weapons
back without the "further investigation"
bullshit game that the Department likes to play.
The Department is supposed to have replacement
weapons of similar make and caliber for Policemen
involved in a justifiable shooting.
Coppers who have "exotic" .40 S&W and .45 ACP
pistols are told they're just shit-out-of-luck...
"Just carry your revolver/9mm you had in the
academy cuz we really didn't want you guys
to have "exotics" anyways..."
If you favor a weapon or particular caliber,
have one in reserve because the city will have
your weapon held hostage for MONTHS AFTER an
OIS...
Still feel a certain kind of way because they
held our S&W 45xx hostage.
(Hmmm... Thinking about resurrecting that
old sweet shootin' flame belchin'
loud-mouthed monster)
Conflicting reports about whether they swab
a Policeman's weapon and submit the results
to CODIS "just in case you Coppers do somethin' funny."
There should be a parade in his honor.
It is about time!
Nice shootin' there buddy! Many thanks from this cop and a job well done. Well done indeed Sir!!!!
only crime is they were actually contemplating charging him with ANYTHING!!!
in texas this person would get a new car!
Can we learn the identity of the robber? What’s his criminal background? What’s his connection to the Kimm Foxx court? How long as he been terrorizing the downtown community?
Offer him a job as a Range Instructor?
I wonder how hard they leaned on the ccl holder? Probably pushed him and his 2A rights around.
We’re going to see more of these.
When is his induction into the Illinois ccl hall of fame.
be quiet SCC
you think the city wants it known that
a CCL is a-ok in gun free chicago?
Thank you for your Public Service
Another job well done, one less asshole to worry about!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can he still be sued in civil court by the honor student’s family?
4/29/2019 12:48:00 AM
Sadly, yes it almost always happens.
This why conceal carry 2A supporters must always always also carry extra insurance. Research it. There's usually a suit filed and almost always a ghetto lottery settlement payout.
Legal civil suit defense fees are financially crippling. We never see the reverse lawsuits because the perps and their families never have followed any reasonanble form of societal living. Besides, we'd only end up with someone else's stolen property, then spend our time finding it's rightful owners because we live in integrity. The ferals woyld simply continue robbing us whilst collecting welfare.
We should follow this guy and after fr faker and the rest knock on his door, then strip him of his possessions, set up a go fund me account the ghetto lottery winners can't touch. Too often our civil courts penalize the innocent. (Especially in illinois)
Thank God someone had common sense. Please pray for this man as his life is now never the same.
God bless our citizens and our police and fire
Yeesh this one came close. Godspeed to all CCLs. It really is the wild west.
He should bill the scumbags next of kin for the cost of the bullet.
Off-topic… Copper is charged for using “excessive force “during an incident in the 10th district!? I was not there but I can imagine The chaotic scene the coppers were at. Lesson learned, let the animals act like animals. Let them be, it is not worth your livelihood.
4/29/2019 12:48:00 AM
No. He is protected against civil suit as long as it was a legit shoot. Sounds like it was so no ghetto lottery for the assholes fambly and go directly to Hell for the offender.
Outstanding!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can he still be sued in civil court by the honor student’s family?
4/29/2019 12:48:00 AM
NO, self-defense prohibits shooter from being sued civilly....Illinois has one of the toughest SD protections laws around.
http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=14659
Where in tbe article is the name of the offemder
Lori wants to take guns away from law abiding citizens. I’m surprised Kim hasn’t charged this hero yet.
Can he still be sued in civil court by the honor student’s family?
4/29/2019 12:48:00 AM
Not an authority on the matter, but I’ve been told that even civilians can expect to be sued for a justified shooting. If you have a CCW, you’ll want to purchase appropriate insurance to deal with the aftermath.
Why is there any doubt this man was justified in shooting the criminal?
Can we learn the identity of the robber? What’s his criminal background? What’s his connection to the Kimm Foxx court? How long as he been terrorizing the downtown community?
4/29/2019 06:11:00 AM
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Victim is a M/1.
(The late) offender is a M/1 from the southside.
Get his gun back?
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
This is Chicago for cryin' out loud!
Policemen can't even get their duty weapons
back without the "further investigation"
bullshit game that the Department likes to play.
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Anyone who buys and carries his own rifle is a softball.
Guys spend over $2000 tricking out their rifle.
If they get in a shooting say goodbye to it for a long time.
Also, I would not trust my life to a junk department rifle.
The Chicago Fire Department pays veteran Fire Fighters 6% more for being cross trained as an EMT. Make the city pay you more if you are a sucker who decides to carry that thing and then gets thrown to the wolves if a shooting is on then fence.
Good job to Mr. CCW!
How long was he held hostage?
Bet you a fat man on his best Friday
that the Police part of the "further investigation"
train reached it's destination WAAAYY before
the Kim Foxx "Peoples & Folkses Public Defender
False-Flagging As A Prosecutor" train reluctantly
and belatedly came chugging and smoking...
CCSAO was DESPERATELY trying to find something
to charge the self-defending CCW holder for killing the
shit out of an aggrieved person exercising his community
impunity card by virtue of committing a forcible felony
while ILLEGALLY POSSESSING a firearm AND a stolen
vehicle.
The gun WASN'T illegal... Contrary to the liberal
Progressive and local media anal whore propaganda
talking point of "flooded with illegal guns."
The dead shit head was in ILLEGAL POSSESSION
of the gun.
Where you have concentrations of BEE-AY-DEE,
death-loving, hyper-violent and ungovernable
peoples and folkses?
You DO have a disproportionate percentage being in
ILLEGAL POSSESSION of a gun because THEY are
more of a danger to each other and the rest of everybody
else than The Police ever could be.
But don't let truth get in the way of dearly held beliefs.
Mmm'kay?
Police Like You Have No Friends.
Look.
Point & Laugh.
Leave.
Thank you for you service Mr Concealed Carry Citizen, in all sincerity, wherever you are. On this rainy day, you gave me the sun.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Perfect example of why not to stick around for the police if you shoot somebody legitimately with your concealed carry license. Cops take your gun, and you get brought in for questioning, with a Crook County ASA determining your future. I'd recommend you do what you gotta do, then get the hell out. Ten percent chance detectives figure it out, and if they do, lawyer up. No way in hell anybody should get mistreated like this, for killing an absolute piece of shit.
4/29/2019 01:44:00 AM
How stupid are you ? Who said anything about this CC holder being mistreated ? And you’re wrong that the Dicks won’t figure out who you are. The CC Holder is a legit citizen with a properly licensed car which will have been caught on some camera. And as you say “Lawyer up” just means you won’t say it was self defense thereby likely getting you charged with something.
Why did it take THREE DAYS to decide this, when the real criminals have to be charged within 48 hours?!?!
"If it ain't on you, it's not yours."
This armed citizen is lucky the guy stuffed him in the passenger seat where he left his weapon. Seems like everything broke his way, this could have ended with a much different ending.
I know this gentleman...cops said he should have his gun back in about a week...let’s see if that holds true.
Don't be Tony Blake from Baretta and use exotic pistola.
SW Airweight leaves no spent casing and is $350. Used Glawk if you need capacity for same price, Better yet is build a 80% Glock for no FFL fee/paperwork. Ez-peasy.
https://grabagun.com/s-w-642-1-875-38spl-sts-alum-cent.html
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Perfect example of why not to stick around for the police if you shoot somebody legitimately with your concealed carry license. Cops take your gun, and you get brought in for questioning, with a Crook County ASA determining your future. I'd recommend you do what you gotta do, then get the hell out. Ten percent chance detectives figure it out, and if they do, lawyer up. No way in hell anybody should get mistreated like this, for killing an absolute piece of shit.
4/29/2019 01:44:00 AM
I totally agree, but, there are so many security cameras, someone with a cellphone camera etc... that the odds are that they will make it a point to hunt you down, just to make you an example of what the Chicago values are not. ;)
I have no problem with the "Shoot, scoot and stay mute" approach. But it would be just bad luck that the crappy traffic cameras would be working that day and you'd get nailed by Kimeesha and Little Tommy Dart as "an example".
This victim/hero is a much better deterrent to crime than Kimmie and her “restorative justice”
Kimmie’s “restorative justice” is code for letting “the community” operate with virtual impunity.
We should start a collection to pay for an interior detail for his BMW.
I’m sure the offender made a mess when he took one in the noggin inside the BMW.
For the win !!!!!!!
He will get his gun back eventually back in 2015 a coworker of mine who was driving Uber on his days off shot someone that was shooting into a crowd in the Logan Square area. It took about 7 months to get his gun back. But not until he went to Pam Zekman to van her do an interview which she put on TV. The excuse that they gave him was that there wasn’t any proper protocol set up on how to handle it seeing as his was the 1st case after CCL were 1st handed out. This guy will just need to keep making phone calls and recording name, dates and times of everyone that he talks to while trying to retrieve it.
The Community is angry...
The community must be appeased
at any and all cost.
It's "RACIST" to protect yourself
from a marauding community member.
Anonymous said...
"Can we learn the identity of the robber? What’s his criminal background? What’s his connection to the Kimm Foxx court? How long as he been terrorizing the downtown community?"
4/29/2019 06:11:00 AM
The dead shit-head has rights...
BUT.
You can bet a fat man on his best Friday that
the CCW holder WILL be outed by some hateful
hair-hat or SJW in KIm Foxx's office.
Der Agenda Uber Alles!
Any truth to the rumor that Supt. Mr. Fenner immediately stripped the CCL holder and sent him to callback?
Mike the cityworker
Nice shooting! All the people who won’t be future victims of this dead POS thank you! All that remains is billing the family of the dead POS for the cost of the bullet, wear and tear on the gun, time, inconvenience, misc fees, taxes, service charges, damage to the car, shipping and handling, restocking fee, commission, etc
Like Josie Wales once said....Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
Sadly, yes it almost always happens.
This why conceal carry 2A supporters must always always also carry extra insurance. Research it. There's usually a suit filed and almost always a ghetto lottery settlement payout.
I have researched it for decades, the ghetto lottery is played against the Police/ government because they have deep pockets and fold easily. Read the below Illinois statute concerning the dearly departed's family suing the victim in a JUSTIFIABLE use of force. Please read the law if you own a firearm,the internet,guy at the range and sad to say your neighbor the Copper are either guessing or repeating wrong information.
An attorney looking at the below affirmative defense and working on contingency won't go near a case like this and if they do it won't get far.
Much of the info on the internet is put there by the other side as propaganda,if you own a firearm it is your responsibility to learn how to operate it AND know the law.Getting your tactical training from youtube and your knowledge of the law from the guy at the gun shop will not work out well.
(720 ILCS 5/7‑1) (from Ch. 38, par. 7‑1)
Sec. 7‑1. Use of force in defense of person.
(a) A person is justified in the use of force against another when and to the extent that he reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, he is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or another, or the commission of a forcible felony.
In no case shall any act involving the use of force justified under this Section give rise to any claim or liability brought by or on behalf of any person acting within the definition of "aggressor" set forth in Section 7‑4 of this Article, or the estate, spouse, or other family member of such a person, against the person or estate of the person using such justified force, unless the use of force involves willful or wanton misconduct.
(Source: P.A. 93‑832, eff. 7‑28‑04.)
Perfect example of why not to stick around for the police if you shoot somebody legitimately with your concealed carry license. Cops take your gun, and you get brought in for questioning, with a Crook County ASA determining your future. I'd recommend you do what you gotta do, then get the hell out. Ten percent chance detectives figure it out, and if they do, lawyer up. No way in hell anybody should get mistreated like this, for killing an absolute piece of shit."
--Yeah ok, you leave and some shit bird runs up grabs dudes gun and now it looks like you shot an unarmed man, what happens then?
Buy that man a box of hollow points. Good job.
Regarding the insurance issue, policies only cover your legal fees and not any judgments made on your estate. I now live in Texas and the laws here state that if the shooting was proper and legal, no civil action can be taken against the shooter.
if its justified homicide,why run? you are the good guy not a shithead. don't take bad advice!
Anonymous said...
Why did it take THREE DAYS to decide this, when the real criminals have to be charged within 48 hours?!?!
4/29/2019 12:02:00 PM
The 48 hour rule applies only to someone in custody.
Instant death penatly. Gonna happen more and more as the police become less effective due to departmental and political restraints.
Anybody suggesting leaving the scene before the police get involved are questionable with respect to their character. This man is of upstanding character. I am blessed to know him and his family. This happened in the Financial District...there were cameras everywhere which is one of the reasons why he has now been cleared. Like I said he should have his gun back soon.
I appreciate this Righteousness Man for doing what is right and just!
This has got to piss off the elitist gun grabbers Emanuel,
J-Bloated and their leftist toadies. This country was not founded on your communist leftist beliefs. Your never going to disarm us.
As the song goes, Another One Bites The Dust.......
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Can he still be sued in civil court by the honor student’s family?
4/29/2019 12:48:00 AM
Always.
I just want to see the dead car jackets criminal history?
Bet you a cold beer that he was released from crook county by ccsao
Any one want that bet?
He will get his gun back eventually back in 2015 a coworker of mine who was driving Uber on his days off shot someone that was shooting into a crowd in the Logan Square area.
After recovering, that shithead did some time and got out early in January. I’m happy to say some other neighborhood shitheads recently cleansed this earth of the guy your co-worker tried to take care of initially.
In any case, I hope your co-worker is okay and those that live in the neighborhood are very thankful for his attempt at protecting others!!
"He shoots, he scoresssss!!!!"
Pat Foley
we should all pitch in and buy him his replacement and a medal!
Those of you whining about my comment telling people to flee the scene are missing the point. Cameras would capture the incident no doubt, but you are under no legal obligation to remain on the scene. You leave the scene to get away from further danger, and to contact your attorney. Your attorney can speak for you, but you under no circumstance, should ever give a statement to police.
It's no different than an officer involved shooting. How many of you give statements immediately after a shooting? Almost every cop is allowed a few days before giving a statement. So why would a civilian then say anything to a cop right after a shooting?
Perfect example of why not to stick around for the police if you shoot somebody legitimately with your concealed carry license. Cops take your gun, and you get brought in for questioning, with a Crook County ASA determining your future. I'd recommend you do what you gotta do, then get the hell out. Ten percent chance detectives figure it out, and if they do, lawyer up. No way in hell anybody should get mistreated like this, for killing an absolute piece of shit.
Only a 10% chance they figure it out ? I'd say way higher given all the cameras that undoubtedly caught some if not all of the "action" (including Paul Kersey's plate number)...but yes i agree with everything else you said !! Oh and btw a completely separate discussion but why was Paul Kersey not carrying his piece on his body (while driving) instead of leaving it "nearby" in his car ? I understand comfortability, but this case is a perfect example to sacrifice comfort for real-world tactical practicality, imho. Kersey was out of his car and had a gun pointed at him, and his piece was unusable at that instant 'cuz it was in his car...inexcusable. But i of course am very happy that it worked out for him !!
I was out of the country, out of touch when this happened.... did local news (or ANY news source for that matter) report this story ? If so , did they do so accurately ?
Anybody suggesting leaving the scene before the police get involved are questionable with respect to their character. This man is of upstanding character. I am blessed to know him and his family. This happened in the Financial District...there were cameras everywhere which is one of the reasons why he has now been cleared. Like I said he should have his gun back soon.
This poster, the friend of the shooter, will probably never see my question, but I'll try anyway.....
Sir, have you asked your friend why he wasn't carrying his gun on his person (while driving) instead of stashing it on/around the passenger seat ? I'm assuming because of comfortability (?)..... Otherwise, congrats to your friend on a job well-done !!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Those of you whining about my comment telling people to flee the scene are missing the point. Cameras would capture the incident no doubt, but you are under no legal obligation to remain on the scene. You leave the scene to get away from further danger, and to contact your attorney. Your attorney can speak for you, but you under no circumstance, should ever give a statement to police.
It's no different than an officer involved shooting. How many of you give statements immediately after a shooting? Almost every cop is allowed a few days before giving a statement. So why would a civilian then say anything to a cop right after a shooting?
4/30/2019 08:25:00 PM
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Fleeing the scene of a crime is admissible under certain circumstances in establish guilt under the fed. rules of evidence. So you go ahead and flee the scene of a justifiable use of force situation if you think that's a wise decision. How about you stick around like you have some character and stand your ground a little bit you fucking coward. What are you a sovereign citizen? How about respect for the law and the norms of society.
Another delusional shit-shack lawyer heard from...
"Fleeing the scene of a crime is admissible under certain circumstances in establish guilt under the fed. rules of evidence. So you go ahead and flee the scene of a justifiable use of force situation if you think that's a wise decision. How about you stick around like you have some character and stand your ground a little bit you fucking coward. What are you a sovereign citizen? How about respect for the law and the norms of society."
5/02/2019 01:11:00 PM
Ok nimrod...
This is Chicago.
Motherfucking Cook County.
Motherfucking Illinois...
In light of the real-time situation here at ground level,
why don't you just demonstrate for the class all of this
"respect for the law and norms of society" that exists
only in that fetid fever swamp that is your mind?
As it is... The only ones who has respect for the law and
norms of society are the upright and law-abiding but THEY
are awakening and realizing that respect for the law and
the norms of society have become weaponized to be used
against THEM.
We do not blame a CCW citizen for getting in the wind
if there is a possibility that a responding P.O. or
anybody else in the Chicago/Cook County "self defense =
guilty until proven innocent" criminal justice loop is
a self-righteous jag like you.
And you shit-talk another man's actions in response to
a lethal force encounter? Fuck You fella... Too many
plausible variables at play that may quite logically
preclude "standing your ground."
Graveyards are full of heroes, child...
Why don't you go ahead, step on out there by your
bad-assed self and show everybody how full of character
and bravery YOU are?
And you conflate "fleeing the scene of a crime"
with rightfully putting distance between yourself
and what happened, for the sake of time to calm
oneself, consult counsel or confront your real feels
over what you had to do to protect yourself.
Have you ever had to kill another human being
in self defense?
The tone of your post absolutely screams "No."
You reason like a crack smoking chimp.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Another delusional shit-shack lawyer heard from...
"Fleeing the scene of a crime is admissible under certain circumstances in establish guilt under the fed. rules of evidence. So you go ahead and flee the scene of a justifiable use of force situation if you think that's a wise decision. How about you stick around like you have some character and stand your ground a little bit you fucking coward. What are you a sovereign citizen? How about respect for the law and the norms of society."
5/02/2019 01:11:00 PM
Ok nimrod...
This is Chicago.
Motherfucking Cook County.
Motherfucking Illinois...
In light of the real-time situation here at ground level,
why don't you just demonstrate for the class all of this
"respect for the law and norms of society" that exists
only in that fetid fever swamp that is your mind?
As it is... The only ones who has respect for the law and
norms of society are the upright and law-abiding but THEY
are awakening and realizing that respect for the law and
the norms of society have become weaponized to be used
against THEM.
We do not blame a CCW citizen for getting in the wind
if there is a possibility that a responding P.O. or
anybody else in the Chicago/Cook County "self defense =
guilty until proven innocent" criminal justice loop is
a self-righteous jag like you.
And you shit-talk another man's actions in response to
a lethal force encounter? Fuck You fella... Too many
plausible variables at play that may quite logically
preclude "standing your ground."
Graveyards are full of heroes, child...
Why don't you go ahead, step on out there by your
bad-assed self and show everybody how full of character
and bravery YOU are?
And you conflate "fleeing the scene of a crime"
with rightfully putting distance between yourself
and what happened, for the sake of time to calm
oneself, consult counsel or confront your real feels
over what you had to do to protect yourself.
Have you ever had to kill another human being
in self defense?
The tone of your post absolutely screams "No."
You reason like a crack smoking chimp.
5/02/2019 05:47:00 PM
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Dear Box Chevy Dork,
What?
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