Expensive "Reform"
- Mayor Lori Lightfoot proposed several reforms to how Chicago handles fines and fees, including no longer suspending the driver’s licenses of people who haven’t paid parking tickets and reducing vehicle sticker penalties.
Lightfoot’s proposed overhaul, which will be introduced at Wednesday’s City Council meeting, also includes creating a six-month payment plan that reduces required down payments and gives those with ticket debt more time to pay. It also allows people to request a 24-hour extension to pay their fines in full or get on a payment plan after their vehicles are locked with a Denver boot, though the plan does not ban use of the controversial device that has been the bane of many motorists’ existence.
The proposed reforms will end the doubling of city sticker ticket prices from $200 to $400 for failure to purchase within the required time, and the city won’t issue tickets on the same or consecutive days for sticker violations, Lightfoot said.
The doubled fine was pretty obscene. If you couldn't afford the $200 for whatever reason, you aren't going to be able to afford the $400. But responsible people budget for completely predictable expenses....like a city sticker payment that comes around every single year.
That being said:
That being said:
- From 2007 to 2016, only 1 out of 3 tickets were paid, Valencia said. The city is owed more than $200 million in city sticker debt alone, she said.
Labels: money questions
56 Comments:
Why did I have to pay my parking ticket for street cleaning when the sign was posted the day they cleaned the streets?!?!!
Only a financial moron doubles a fine that was not
paid. It's a hardship, so ask for double. That'll make
'em pay. Fines will be doubled until morale improves.
I wish they would do the same for city workers. The city wants to fire us for unpaid city money.
33% collection rate? LOL... They're already NOT paying. A payment plan isn't going to make the 66% of deadbeats suddenly willing to pay...
Questions:
* What revenue does the City receive from the City Stickers - from the people that actually pay?
* What's the total amount they're supposed to receive - if 100% paid?
* What's the cost of trying to collect from those who don't?
* Does it exceed the amount of revenue they actually collect? Because if that's the case, just get rid of the whole damn useless money wasting thing...
* What's the total cost of running this sticker program? Design, Printing, Delivery (Procurement costs), Clerks, Cops to check for stickers, Meter maids to write tickets, collection agencies to try to collect from the deadbeats, computers, software, offices, phones, electricity, utilities to heat/cool said offices... and so on? What's this shitshow costing every year, and is it worth it to continue?
Anytime you see the words, "reform," or "the system is broken," BOHICA.
Having a car is expensive. Insurance, maintenance, gas, registration, etc. The truth is, it isn't for "poor" people. If you can't afford to do these things properly, it ain't for you. What's next, subsidized registration based on you ability to pay? Chicago has one of the best public transit systems in the country, and too many cars. You do the math.
Okay. Sure. ONCE. You get ONE freebie. Then you pay like the rest. Although you would think that everyone wants to be a productive member of society, and that even "poor" people want to be treated like everyone else, wouldn't you?
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I agree the fines are obscene, but the people that don't pay them, just don't pay them. I spend lots of time walking up and down the block looking at the damn signs to make sure I don't give back one red cent of my check to these bandits. Of course, I make enough to pay the fines in the first place, I'm just not willing to get a ticket. I'd rather spend $100 on dinner than a ticket.
Another panding mayor wtf do the unthinkable take responsibility 🖕🏼
There's no business like democrat shakedown business.
Nobody does it better.
The result: democrat shitholes.
Third world quality shitholes.
That is the near future this mutt faced democrat idiot is taking the city.
Freedom to pillage, plunder and pilfer.
All courtesy of the combos of: thug board of elections + feeble rinos + retarded idiots of all colors + lazy moochers of all colors + devious grafting fraudsters of all colors + clueless miracles of de-educations + ever increasing gangster posse pricks + imported rascals from every shithole country on the fucking planet + there's always gonna be someone to impose democrat larcenious laws upon the honest, working, decent, law abiding citizens.
Absent the enforcements of said larcenious democrat laws, fight would be an option.
Present the enforcement of larcenious democrat laws, flee is the only choice of the civilized citizens.
The surrounding suburbs within the crooked county shall enjoy but a pittance of delay, before the above comes for thee. You burb bunnies think your crook county property taxes are high now, boy, are you gonna not be prepared for the deep thrustings swiftly approaching your pocketbooks.
The democrat hogs will never be satisfied until all are impoverished. Except the chosen few, of course.
And even they won't be actually living here. Just keep a few personal items in a basement.
Gee Groot, Instead of playing around with those stupid tickets...how about we "EASE" the pain on lowering high property tax bills, get rid of charging for garbage pick up...Seems like Groot is saying those who can afford it pay it! North siders pay up, south and west sides, we wont enforce anything. Great way to run a city and keep a budget. By the way, SCC or anyone keeping track of how much its costing the taxpayers every time Groot leaves town for "Business"?
If Mayor Lori was smart, the city would be offering some sort of amnesty program to those that owe money. Make it a thirty or forty five day one time only offer.
Pay the original ticket and fines, and we will forgive half (or 75%, or all) the interest and penalties. Give them a reason to open their wallet today. Give them a chance to make things right and get themselves out of the system.
Anyone that is late on fees or licenses can pay today without any additional penalties. Collect the base money today, because you won't collect all the penalties or the original license fees anyway.
They won't do it. Because doing it would actually make sense.
Don’t park illegally.
If you can’t afford those tickets perhaps you should buy a bus pass.
I rather the city go with out the 200 million that’s owed... in the case everyone paid their tickets🤔 exactly where would the 200 million go? Is it going to pay the legal fees of an illegal (not an immigrant who is minding their family and livelihood) who eventually bashed the brain out of a toddler; when he should had been over nighted back to his country of origin. This example did happen in Chicago, asshole tried to high tail it back to land over yonder. Occurred about 2 years ago. I vote to not give Chicago any money at all. How’s about spending the money on homeless prevention — that was a thing to do 30 years ago
How much of the money owed for years do you think they will collect?
There is a reason that hospitals sell their year old debt to debt collectors for pennies on the dollar. They know that old debt is almost impossible to collect.
(Then again hospitals can't send people with guns to collect the debt or throw the debtor in jail. Chicago can.)
was not aware groot ran on a no tax no fee no regulations for the community platform. how is the garbage collection fees and water bills doing? are you going to prevent peoples gas and commonwealth edison from stopping service for non payment? we shall see.
The city sticker fee is simply a tax. Many people don’t pay it - a form of tax evasion.
Under Lightweight’s plan, the tax evaders won’t suffer too many consequences for tax evading. Scofflaws win.
And if only 1 of 3 tickets is paid (with no consequences) that leaves a budget shortfall. Who will make up the deficit? The middle class will. They love to pay taxes. They keep voting the same tax hikers into office and will only be too happy to give more.
The city has lost the war against scofflaws. Time to legalize vehicle violations.
When VRI started, getting your 5 Parker’s was easy, after about 6 months you had to work a little harder to get them. Cause and effect.
Crimesha Foxx doesn’t prosecute the suspended DL cases anyway so no big deal.
You said it best: Responsible people. Huge lack of that in the community.
sounds like she is racist, singling out black and brown people sounds very selective
Again lying Lori the reformer proposes another idiotic plan to allow the community of people and folks to not pay what they owe. She is giving Chicago away to the deadbeats. No money to pay for tickets and stickers, but money for braids, nails, jewelry, iPhones, dope, scratch offs and clubbing as well as costly Glock 9mm and rims and cars. Lori has made it perfectly clear that she will bankrupt this city in exchange for votes from the ghetto. Rahm’s media got her elected along with ahole Joyce . She needs to go.
And they'll park her in front of the turntable
and she will watch that grooved disc with the red
center label go round and round and wonder what
33 1/3 rpm means. That's vinyl, Lori. It's how
society communicated in the days before streaming
and YouTube. And you want to know something else,
Lori? People took pride in ownership of their collection
of music or the spoken word and did not expect to obtain
it for free. Payment was a form of compensation for the
artists who worked so hard to provide us with musical
entertainment or education via the spoken word. It was
a better time in America and by and large people were
more honest. They took pride in their employment and
did not expect anything for free. Stealing was considered
to be a crime and carried with it the burden of shame.
Illegal parking and running red lights....just more fallout from 'poverty'. Too poor to stop at a red light or make the 'effort' to find a legal parking spot. The excuses for some never stop.
A casino is corrupt and a carnival is corrupt.
After taking your money, they give you the distinct
impression that it was you fault that your money
is gone.
reducing vehicle sticker penalties
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yes $200 is too much
Hospitals can and do have people jailed after they obtain a civil court order for debt payment and payments are not made. This is contempt of court and those found in contempt are sometimes jailed.
I no longer follow sports so I had to look this up.
Adrian Peterson is deep in debt and his lawyer
says he trusted the wrong people. He's a former
Vikings RB and is 'nearly broke.' He made nearly
$100M in his NFL career. I just hope that Lori has
a better concept of the value of money and does not
tip Chicago into bankruptcy.
Why white flight from the city happened in the 50's: In suburbia, nice beautiful neighborhoods with decent like minded working neighbors. Parking available everywhere at no charge, no concrete jungle filled with moronic liberals. Suburbia is a great place to raise your family. Great schools, too. This Army veteran moved from Chicago in the 50's. Funny, I was lucky to see the shit show starting in Chicago then, and moved out to the burbs. You are the captain of your own ship, not some puny communist, democrat, corrupt racist globalist, who will squander your money.
Just another friggin scam -bright idea - sounds good to those she panders to.
Had a relative get a notice a couple years ago of 7 parking tickets - all dated per notice back in late 80's.....
Yes, that's the late 1980's! No copies of actual tickets even available, no data on where, or what violation.
License suspended in 2008......yep, 2008......
Took a lawyer and over $4000 to get it wiped off the books and license reinstated....
True story......this city and its "revenooers" been screwed up for a very long time.
the scum do not pay their bills now. does this moron lightfoot have any brains? answered my own question, she is a democrat, so no brains or ethics.
She is only doing this because the people in the "Community" are never held accountable for their actions. She will make up much of the lost revenue by flooding neighborhoods populated by Police, Fire and other City workers with Department of Revenue Ticket Writers. So look for an increased presence of The Department of Revenue in neighborhoods like Mt. Greenwood, Garfield Ridge, Edison Park and Jefferson Park. The "Underserved Communities" will be no go zones for them.
I bet the 1 out of 3 that paid are city workers or middle class citizens of chicago , not her voting base of gangs , welfare rats
It is all about the money with Mayor Lori? Always?
Everybody's got a price
Everybody's gonna pay
Because the Billion Dollars In Debt Mayor...
Always get her way!
Some bribes might cost a little
Some teacher's union bailouts might cost a lot
But Lori is the Billion Dollars In Debt Mayor...
And your compliance will be bought! (Ha!Ha!Ha!)
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No money from parking tickets but I see some homeowners with "low taxes" who can be targeted!
Can the city stop spending? That is not an option?
Worked a near west side district in the early 1980s. Stopped numerous people with no city stickers. Many just were scraping to get by a feed their families. Didn't have the heart to hammer them.
A $400 fine for no sticker!? Obscene! People rob convience stores and get fined less.
Face the fact that most of that fine is uncollectable.
Seems like Groot is saying those who can afford it pay it! North siders (White people)pay up, south and west sides,(people of color) we wont enforce anything.
Sounds racist to me.
Restorative justice at works. Mayor’s logic is unreal. She wants to forgive fines (for breaking the law) of the people that resemble her. She stated she wants to restore their dignity. I don’t even agree with forgiving student loans, but at least it would be forgiving something that benefits people that want to better themselves. So the disenchanted cannot afford their fines. How about not break them? No one has to park illegally or drive a car without insurance. This is a wrong lesson to teach. You can break the law and not be accountable if you are a minority and you can keep breaking the law and keep getting breaks.
Its well past time for an Amnesty. Make it simple..
If you owe tickets from 2017 or before, regardless of your Income....Forgiven.
Tickets since 2017 up through the end of 2018...Pay 50% of the Non-Doubled Face Value, and you're Good.
2019? Fight them.
And FYI...
Seems that 016 is Ramping up Enforcement of 9-64-170A for the Pickup Trucks that don't have City Stickers and all the Commercial Vehicles that are not marked properly by state Law.
Looking at tax bill now up $2,200 on 2nd installment, live in Garfield Ridge cps takes almost $4,000 then see more money thrown into the fire:
Chicago teachers routinely create their own lesson plans — sometimes off Pinterest. But does that justify CPS spending $135 million on new curriculum?
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-chicago-public-schools-curriculum-20190724-t4alwm2ujzbnfes53f7q4n2gpi-story.html
I’ll say good for stopping the gouging with late fees and doubling of unpaid fines.
Won’t apply to my water bill will it?
And when they announce the amnesty program deal, only the suckers are going to line up and pay.
Whatever the excuse, too many lazy, jobless, freeloaders or just stupid unlicensed drivers ignoring signs and never having a valid/current crib address just don’t pay. That #1 scofflaw south side guy with 5 unlicensed cars must be a Groot cousin that inspired the change in policy.
This program has Share the Wealth written into it. Somebody is going to have to makeup those lost revenues.
Anyone remember when west side Ald. Dorthief Tillman wanted poor communities to be exempt from buying a city sticker?
Got stung with a late payment on a city sticker few years ago on a car that wasn’t being used due to major repairs, once fixed I had to buy the current year sticker to use this beater car, then they hit me with the last fee, plus the past year fee for not buying one.
Somewhere about $255 total to be square with the city.
Couldn’t use the ghetto “I just bought the car yesterday” excuse, they wanted new IL registrations to validate the claim.
Needless to say that was the last time I bought a city sticker.
Going on 5 years now.
Most of the outstanding citizens that get the tickets, esp from a certain "community" shouldn't be driving anyway due to their DL being suspended, revoked, no license at all etc. Those people continuously get tickets and dont give a shit so why pay? They sure as hell wont pay for a "bus pass"!
I have paid every single bill to the city on time. It didn't matter what it was city sticker, parking permits, water bill, red light or camera tickets whatever. The city got paid in full and on time always. From now on they will get paid when I feel like it. This city continues to make provisions and excuses for those who groups of individuals who just simply refuse to play by the rules. You will get my money when I decide to give it to you...
"Money please! Yours... Just not from parking tickets which are just owed for actual violations, okay?" ~ Mayor Lightfoot, Queen Of The Stupids
From 7/24/2019 05:42:00 AM
how is the garbage collection fees and water bills doing?
CLIMBING EVER HIGHER! The pensions should be fully funded by the year 2333 at this rate... All is solved! So long as spending does not skyrocket as well...
That’s ok the next property tax increase that is moments away will make up this new shortfall. On good authority only homes north of chicago age will see an increase except any buildings east of State from Chicago to 59th st. Kicking around another 30-45% increase. Plus same areas will face an additional $40/ mo water rate increase, why because they know they can. Part of the revenue will be used to add Netflix to Obama’s phones.
Another program that makes little sense overall. Money will be made up by tax payers. You just don't know it yet. How about the delay of the Police Contract or 2% decrease in city employees pay checks, particularly the Police. Citizens will be taxed right out of this sinkhole State between Groot, Preckwinkle and the Fat Ass Hog Gov. in Springfield.
This is today's lesson in the wonderful world of socialism - Chicago style. Thiers more to come.
YOU know i am calling all the banger i stop clowns!
It can't be offensive. if a college educated lesbian black female can call a senior citizen retiree who is Vice prez of the FOP a clown.
I Can imagine what she calls SPECIAL ED...
I hope your flunkies are ready to visit area central next week MS GROOT we will be recording since it is lawful to record police. OR may be those new cell phone will be on recording to axon.
What do you expect you got rid of the commander!
Now will this be citywide or just in the gbetto.
Why is every Republican state fiscally sound, and every democratic state constantly in the red. I wonder.
Most of the outstanding citizens that get the tickets, esp from a certain "community" shouldn't be driving anyway due to their DL being suspended, revoked, no license at all etc.
7/24/2019 05:45:00 PM
If the government would give me free off-street parking, we wouldn't be is this predicament now would we?
Coming soon rebates to all this given tickets by racist cops.
Next election free city stickers for life for the victim's of anyone given a ticket by these same cops!
Come on Mayor Lefty top that!
We are excluded from that. You will still get a letter and take days if you do not pay the doubled fine
Dorothy Tillman was a south side, not a westside, alderman, who served her ward and city well.
Dorothy Tillman was what? Please report to the Random Drug Testing Unit.
7-29 drug poster, you report for drug testing. The person was correct about Dorothy Tillman.
Jussie? Is that you?
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