Public Feedback
Only nine days left to have your opinion heard.....and ignored while Groot and her minions do whatever the Hell they want to:
- Thank you for visiting the Chicago Police Department’s public comment forum for the Firearm Pointing Incidents policy. As part of our ongoing mission to grow trust within the communities we serve, CPD will take comments from the public on the Firearm Pointing Incidents policy for 15 days beginning on July 16th, 2019. This public comment period will close July 31st, 2019, and CPD will take public comments into consideration before finalizing the policy. Below you will find the draft of the Firearm Pointing Incidents Policy in its entirety as well. Thank you again for your continued partnership in building a safer Chicago.
Give it a try and try to be polite.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
67 Comments:
Too busy getting pcis smiling and waving
These PPO out here are reckless and unsafe. They also like to tell people with time on how to their jobs. It’s a bad time these days.
I’m going to bet their censors are much tighter than on this site.
So now we have to be quick draw artists against criminals who are already waiting for us. Thanks Groot.
Absolutely no point. It is a done deal. The liberal Democrats have gotten what they wanted. Keep the beat car busy with ISR's, Blue cards and lots of paperwork. This is designed to to make Officers hesitant in high risk situations. They go out of their way to handcuff the Police because they need the criminal and ILLEGAL Alien (Not legal alien) vote to stay in Office. They do what they can to handcuff the Police. The only bright spot is the Body Camera. The liberals asked for these for years and now that they got them are trying to restrict them. It appears that the Police are doing a great job 99.9 percent of the time and show the liberal criminal to be in the wrong. It doesn't fit their agenda.
Gross.... no thanks. Go ahead and implement your nonsense. It changes nothing for my approach to this job.
What if I point my pistol at myself accidentally right out of roll call? Can I stay at the station and complete more reports. My partner did all his e learning and so did I, we now need another way to keep us off the streets. Station assignments are fun.
It's going to be interesting once this garbage goes through and some proactive hard charger gets screwed because of it after a shooting. I can already hear some COPA rep or lawyer saying:
"Officer, according to our files you had your gun drawn out three times this year before the fatal shooting you were recently involved in. It looks like you've wanted to shoot somebody for quite some time now."
Keep working hard you saps. Keep bringing in those blue cards and ISRs. Remember, your Commander is counting on you for that next promotion bump so he or she can make more money!
Everyone here should take 2 minutes out of their day to comment. Use spouses names/email address’ if need be. Don’t let “the community” be the only ones with input on this.
I was polite, but I doubt the Democrat handlers are going to be happy with my point of view on this abomination.
I put why give us guns?
"Your email will not be published." But they will try and find out who you are and start a file on you. Be careful.
Must one live on the city to comment?
Why does the public get to decide what our internal policies are? Yeah let's have soccer moms, uber drivers, illegal aliens and black lives matter activists decide. Makes zero sense.
Just saw a invite to Pietrowski park for Jul, 22, 2019 labeled #4 for school resource officers assigned to CPS schools feedback. When was this publicity announced. Where is the full schedule.
public feedback has been largely against the new policy
I think we should have to notify a supervisor that we are thinking we may have to point our weapon at someone. And wait for his approval. If he denies our request we should than go on our merry way building trust in the community and interacting with the folks.
Remember it’s not in our contract to go over the air if you point your gun at someone.
I hide my gun inside a prosthetic hand so it just looks like I’m trying to shake the offenders.
Is get the fuck outta here with this bullshit not polite?
grow trust within the communities we serve
--
ya, that's gonna work. They'll love us now.
The text says in one place that the entire policy is reproduced in full below, but the reproduced policy states 'Page 1 of 4' without any button to see the other three-quarters of the memo.
I see two comments already that didn't read the policy and think they need to document drawing their weapon. You may have your weapon in low ready without a report. When you point it at someone is the trigger for paperwork. Might want to include a proviso that if the body camera is going and the weapon is not evident, no report is necessary, even if the suspect alleges otherwise.
It's like the Mayor wants to bankrupt the Memorial Fund and the 100 Club in one fell swoop.
I have stated this before in other surveys, and I'll say it again: ANYBODY who is going to question, and decide, if an officer used proper force, needs to go thru the same training police officers do: Use of Force, firearms, state UoF test, de-escalation scenarios, etc. Then, they should also attend PPO cycles, on the street with an FTO, while wearing a uniform(no star) to see how the community really acts. If the person in question, does not like guns or prefers not to carry one, that's fine. Then we'll let them handle the situations in a manner they think the police should. Nobody should be able to decide the fate of a police officer, based on his actions, without having some experiences to draw from. Nobody.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
My submitted comment
Hope every officer has an outstanding attorney on retainer. You are screwed either way. Chicago "ethics" want you dead or in prison.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Too busy getting pcis smiling and waving
7/22/2019 12:09:00 AM
-------------------------------
Stop drinking you aren't making sense.
Giving it a go is no problem. Being polite is.
"Your email will not be published." But they will try and find out who you are and start a file on you. Be careful.
********************************
I've been sending very inappropriate comments to them and leaving email addresses of co-workers. Let them try and find out the source. The department, city, and state can fuck off.
Seen several comments already about how we as coppers should comment of have already left comments. Uhhh, why? Does anyone think that a bunch of comments pointing out how stupid this is will change anything? Lori and her office aren’t going to see it and “hey guys, some people don’t really think this is a good idea. Let’s just scrap this whole things because we found 122 comments against this.” Even if every single CPD member and family members all left negative feed back, it won’t change anything. I hate to break it to you guys, they don’t actually care about the citizens or our feedback/concerns. They’re just doing this, like they have in the past, to make people feel like they have a voice, some control. We don’t. You have no voice, you have no control. They just want to be able to say when the policy rolls out “we crafted this policy with input of citizens and department members.” Ladies and gents, your opinion, like mine, is worthless in this city, don’t waste your time, enjoy you time off.
Does it count if your gun isnt loaded.. or if you stick your finger in your coat side pocket pointing it like a gun??
I don't live in the city but I didn't find anything on the site that restricts "the public" to city residents, so I went ahead and posted this:
"If I didn't know this is serious I would have guessed it came from The Onion or some other satirical source. This policy will probably do a great job of putting CPD officers at even greater personal risk than they already face every day, as even the short time it takes to raise a weapon from ready position to firing position could cost someone their life or severe permanent injury. There is a reason why military personnel in the field who may come in contact with enemy forces maintain their weapons in firing position at all times.
If the people pushing this intend to use bureaucracy to effectively disarm the CPD by burying cops in so much procedural BS that they simply give up bothering to go into possibly dangerous situations, then I'd say they are on the way to reaching their goal."
As others here have said, I'm confident this viewpoint will be ignored, but it felt nice to write it.
I am a civilian, a retiree after 35 years with AT&T whose brother is a cop (not in Chicago, but not far away in northern Illinois.) I can't believe the crap you CPD officers have to put up with, and thank God for your dedication. Thanks for being there.
I’ll e in the station writing up a lot of pointing incidents. I’ll be damed if I let anyone put my life in jeopardy. I’ve never been afraid to write paper in all my 24 plus years, I’m not afraid now. I’ve made it everyday and I intend to make it home four more years.
Off topic: July 2019 FOP Newsletter. Article written by lobbyist Mark Donahue? Read the article, or at least the first paragraph on page 15 that starts, “Discussions in committee”. One state senator does not want any police presence in some areas of his district. Donahue says, “This attitude was pervasive primarily with the Black Caucus, and to an extent the Latino Caucus”. They felt the decline of these areas is the result of increased police presence! You can’t make this shit up.
"Gunz is bad and makes crime!" ~ Any Democrat
What about the forthcoming pointing of guns inside Chicago's new casino when a hoodlum craps out (literally) and gets upset? Any policy news on that front?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Must one live on the city to comment?
7/22/2019 03:22:00 AM
[]
NO! Wilmette counts now for Chicago policy making. So says Mayor Lightfoot.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Your email will not be published." But they will try and find out who you are and start a file on you. Be careful.
7/22/2019 02:11:00 AM
Use fake emails with common names!
Only the first step. Phase two will be all hostered guns must be unloaded. Finally phase three will be no guns at all except one gun car per shift in case needed.
New Policy Outline:
Any member of da community may approach any law enforcement present in Chicago, on or off duty, at any time and request that law enforcement drink a glass of piss. Refusal to drink the piss is not allowed.
Author: Honorable Lori Lightfoot
My balls ache, Sarge. Put me on the medical.
If only they were more concerned about criminals pointing guns..
https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2019/07/22/trump-national-diversity-coalitions-bruce-levell-presidents-support-among-blacks-hispanics-more-double-2020/
I wonder if the new mayoress has read this?
She can read, right?
Who has time for weapon pointing when we are doing blue cards and isr’s all day?
This whole consent decree is being pushed down our throats even after AG opposed to it. Do you really think any input from us will even be considered? This is just a phony show so they can say "we allowed you to have your input" while they push already set agenda.
Public feedback my ass. Like they give a crap what you think about it. Just like they gave a crap what AG thought about it- when he totally opposed it. Agenda is already set, you do not matter to those people behind consent decree. Don't fall for their BS.
Worth a shot, an intelligent, well thought, lucid opinion will unlikely it will be set aside for consideration even from the most logical of staffers examining the results. Don’t fill left out, they probably excluded Team Jugghaid from input too.
This is a LightLoafer Legacy cap feather.
They just gotta do what they gotta do.
Just like a Term Limit ballot referendum or a 21st Century Merit Promotion.
Your input means diddly-squat cause it’s for the no matter what zip code community.
- - - - -
– “I put why give us guns?” @7/22/2019 02:08:00 AM
Phase 1 - Limit weapon exposure and condemn exposure with non-negotiable disciplinary action
Phase 2 - Limit weapon carry strictly to qualified Supervisors
Phase 3 - Elimination of all firearms from all police personnel
Phase 4 - House to house firearms confiscation starting with past/present law enforcement personnel and sheepish FOID holders
How would restricting the pointing of weapons at dangerous subjects by Police Officers make the city safer? If anything it would make it less safe.
Oh boy...
When we draw our weapon to dry it off after som asshole throws a bucket of water on your head? Get ready Chicago, this is coming—-https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/07/22/total-anarchy-nypd-cops-get-drenched-by-buckets-of-water/amp/
Anger doesn't begin to describe my anger
Hey guys how about this. Go in on a burner phone and tell them what you really think. No way to trace it, give to all on a shift you can trust. If really motivated give that tool supervisors badge number on a particularly bad post. Who says you can't get even.
Only first step in disarming the CPD. Mark my words.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I’ll e in the station writing up a lot of pointing incidents. I’ll be damed if I let anyone put my life in jeopardy. I’ve never been afraid to write paper in all my 24 plus years, I’m not afraid now. I’ve made it everyday and I intend to make it home four more years.
7/22/2019 12:53:00 PM
Read the directive. No paper needed.
What a fuck'n JOKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would the last one out please turn off the lights?
How about we just carry one bullet in our pocket
Just leave the parking lot and go to your beat. Sit on your beat and answer your calls. Do not chase anyone holding their sides. Do not go down dark alleys. Take your time going to shots fired calls. Wait for contract to be settled. They do not deserve anything else.
The policy has been discussed and approve. Now they seek public input and discussion to legitimize the policy and implement it. Most likely this will occur when the new Poodle of a Supt. comes on board. This will slide in under the hoopla of reorganization, streamlining operations, building trust within the Community, social justice reforms and the ever popular term "for efficiency'.
The Murder Mayor will laud this as part of her reform and accountability of the Police Department. You go girl. You are going to get your way. Sadly, the Community will continue to shriek and wail in the night as their family members are murdered and maimed by Dude, Inc. They ain't reforming or reckoning and they ain't accountable to no one, especially YOU.
“Morale around here has been terrible. We do nothing,” one police officer, a 20-year veteran of the force, told Fox News. “We call ourselves firemen, we sit around in parking lots until we’re called and then we go to the call, because if you say or do something wrong, then you get hung.”
“At an all-time low,” another officer said of morale. “It’s been really demoralizing and hard to come to work lately.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/south-bend-cops-warn-of-mass-exodus-as-morale-tanks-over-buttigiegs-handling-of-shooting
2 things 1st being the daley vanecko alarm holster 2nd being the implementation of the dept issued holster with built in alarm that goes off once u unsnap or unholster your weapon
Can I point my Predator Laser Cannon at them?
If it ain't one stupid thing it's another stupid thing. CPD is a JOKE!!!!!
The general public doesn't know jack shit about police work to even give feedback, unless your a retired officer who may have important feedback to relate to current officers.
Remember the pen is lighter than the sword. Answer your calls and fill out reports. That's it period.
Probably the only decent thing J-Fled came up with was his advocacy to fight lawsuits against the city for police misconduct. The amount of money the city pays out because the incompetents at the Corp Counsel's office lack the skills and ability to fight lawsuits and conclude their cases in a timely manner. The half billion or so paid out would ease a lot of the pension debt.
Anonymous said...
Who has time for weapon pointing when we are doing blue cards and isr’s all day?
7/22/2019 05:00:00
Sounds like you are doing too much
Old Retired Guy, Here, Again !!! Had to chime in on this one. Did over 32yrs on the job. Worked in several districts, and "The Bureau of Field Tactical Services" under the late Commander Joe McCarthy. Most often had my service revolver at the ready position. Never shot anyone, thank God, or had an unintentional discharge. This was not uncommon in my day. It worked for me.
Be Safe Out There.
Post a Comment
<< Home