Awesome Response - If True
Here's a guy who just doesn't give a damn if he goes any further in this Department:
- OT: please tell me this is true because I’d like to go work for this guy.
I heard a Lt got called up to compstat and they asked him why his officers traffic stops were down. His reply was “I’ll tell you the same thing I told the commander when he asked me. give me a number of stops you expect my officers to do a night and then I’ll tell them that number. Then if u want to critique me for them not meeting your number, I understand. But how can you blame me for not having enough of something when I don’t even know the amount you want?”
Lemmer would shit a brick if this became the standard answer, because no exempt is going to put a number out there. They're just going to whine about activity being less than some imaginary standard that isn't written anywhere it might be discovered by an FOIA request or by a smart lawyer.
Perhaps some other lieutenants could answer something along the lines of, "Perhaps the officers didn't see as much crime. After all, our illustrious Superintendent is in the media every month declaring 'crime is down!' It must be true, right?"
Perhaps some other lieutenants could answer something along the lines of, "Perhaps the officers didn't see as much crime. After all, our illustrious Superintendent is in the media every month declaring 'crime is down!' It must be true, right?"
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76 Comments:
Crime is down in the neighborhood... can’t make guys commit something when they ain’t
Lots of whites shirts called up to the stand.
99% of them want to make merit whatever and have a take home car.
Nobody wants to solve any crimes...
The error many exempts make is that they stick their kids or significant other on the job.
Just picture special ED he cant talk back.
Son is a NEWBIE working a beat car waiting for a SGT exam
His lovely Merit wife has a CR # about cheating that could be open whenever.
So dont think a bunch of future retirees will get brave. Just listen to those old stories they tell at the XMAS parties about how they worked in the DEUCE or had gun arrests everyday in 011.
Problem is they always compare to the highest numbers and it’s analyzed like we are working for manufacturing company not a police department. Also if you got some hard core chargers that keep raising the bar, anything after that is going to be less therefore “we need more” speeches
Finally a Lieutenant with balls
I love a LT with balls !!!!!!!
You can tell the regular watch commander is on furlough. It’s a shit spot unlike field lt with no responsibility. What a wise man. They’ll never ask him the be the wc.
I’m surprised it took so long. WC is a dead end job. You’re too valuable to get a spot or promoted.
I hope he's got a bid spot because they'll launch this guy to wherever they can as punishment. That response actually took some balls, good for you!
Why are traffic stops down?
The cost of gas is Up!!!!
It's summertime and the weather is swell!!!
Peeps are taking a stroll and that makes them feel well!!!
Why, them bikes and scooters are becoming sooooooo popular!!!!
It's that green new deal!!!!
Those many booted vehicles are kinda hard to get rolling!!!!
Are ya hinting that ya want more jaywalkers???
C'mon, boss, tell us what ya want, so we can pretend we iz tryin' to get it for yooz!!!!
What????
Did I say that out loud????
Too bad it isn't a conference call.
You can have fun on conference calls.
does the cpd have a fixed post in the aluetians ? stock up on some winter duds my brave lt. nice to see a real man with some balls stand up for whats right. hope these small minded mob mentality whiteshirt wanna be politicians dont destroy his career. need to put up a statue of him at the academy and have him teach the ethics classes. john wayne would be proud !
Ot: lookout VRI there is another made up exempt spot for crystal meth king - Vri commander dear god can we just demoted the idiots already
SCC, this is how the contact card fiasco started too.
For example, you and your partner are dedicated beat coppers. (or young and impressionable)
They go out there and hump. They make pinches, write parkers and let the bad man know, this is going to continue until you get tired of being arrested and go hangout somewhere else.
Eventually this works. The bad guys know Officer Hot Lead and his partner Dirty Talk are working tonight and they know if their out there, they will get stopped and possibly locked up. To avoid this hassle, they go mope on another beat. Nobody is out there to fuck with and the community is happy.
Congratulations Officers, you have cleaned up your beat. Batteries, Assaults and Robberies have gone down and so have the nuisance calls that get closed with 19p, 5f, 4f etc.
This is called CRIME FIGHTING and it has worked this way for the past 100yrs.
Well guess what? Contact cards and arrests are down on your beat. At comstat the Cmndr, Lt, and Sector Sgt. all get berated because the guys on Bt. 2611 numbers are down.
In reward for your successful efforts in fighting crime, you are ordered to write more parkers and contact cards. Bt. 2611 doesn't want to lose each other as partners or their car, so what do they do? They start writing fictitious contact cards because nobody is out there. They start stopping the good kids without reasonable suspicion and write cards on them. They write pimpy violations on the working mans car instead of shitheads because they got their shit fixed or impounded.
There is no end to this cycle. You have to have a summit. You cant just keep climbing the mountain.
This is why we have a consent decree and have every letter of the alphabet fed group watching us.
This is why we hate the job. This is why morale is shot. Good work and going that extra mile because you have integrity, gets you punished instead of rewarded.
That is the Chicago way.
Oh linking a contact card quota to VRI eligibility? That was pure genius. Only a NewYorker could dream that one up, "we don't need no stinking Constitution".
LOL we had house mice taking cars out on lunch hours to look for the A-typical suspicious M/01. What could possibly go wrong.
Now they have quota's.
Northwestern University, as seen on WGN News, runs a study where "OLD TIMERS with Negative Attitudes" impact the young "NEW" guys with their bad morals and impressions of the job. Gee, how much money and time was spent on that? Did that study group earn their Phd? I guess no one has a mind of their own! I'm sure glad these parents are spending BIG bucks to send their kids there.
Lots of whites shirts called up to the stand.
99% of them want to make merit whatever and have a take home car.
Nobody wants to solve any crimes...
The error many exempts make is that they stick their kids or significant other on the job.
Just picture special ED he cant talk back.
Son is a NEWBIE working a beat car waiting for a SGT exam
His lovely Merit wife has a CR # about cheating that could be open whenever.
So dont think a bunch of future retirees will get brave. Just listen to those old stories they tell at the XMAS parties about how they worked in the DEUCE or had gun arrests everyday in 011.
8/02/2019 12:14:00 AM
You mean the son who couldn't pass a power test, so they CHANGED THE RULES just to get him through the academy? And the wife who was part of the well-documented, easily proven, cheating scandal that was "investigated" by the IG and then buried, despite the mountain of evidence the cheating idiots left behind? Baby bean will make sergeant, then Lt, then commander of some created spot, then coast for decades making mid six figures. Wifey will keep moving up and fucking up, with no consequences. And the cheating and corruption that starts and ends at the upper levels of this great department will continue forever.
"We would've had more stops, but Wodnicki wouldn't pull over."
8/02/2019 03:53:00 AM
Yep.......boss told use to get rid of the hookers in our district. Told them girls if they didn't move a few blocks down to the other District that they were going to be locked up nightly. Next month, got our butts chewed because prostitution arrests were down. If they ain't there you can't get them.
Anonymous said...
Ot: lookout VRI there is another made up exempt spot for crystal meth king - Vri commander dear god can we just demoted the idiots already
8/02/2019 02:27:00 AM
They were going to on the last round, but the higher ups didn't want "to hurt her" being she was so close to retirement...63 in less that a year.
Two given 11 years in federal prison each for carjacking in Goose Island neighborhood
By ALEJANDRO SERRANO
AUG 1, 2019
Finally some good news to start the day off!
Just like old dirty harry callaghan, they don't want you until they need you. I'm sure the boot lickers and ball polishers will pick up the slack.
Well he will retire with a Lieutenants pension. What we need are some minority bosses to speak up and tell it like it is, then if they do anything to them, cry Racist.
Remember, nobody ever got fired for doing nothing.
When a Lt. Has our backs we should back the Lt.
We used to joke that each point of a lieutenant's star had little balls on them because they were removed from him to get the job. This guy is the exception that makes the rule.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ot: lookout VRI there is another made up exempt spot for crystal meth king - Vri commander dear god can we just demoted the idiots already
8/02/2019 02:27:00 AM
Another waste of a very high paying position. The current Sgt there running it was fine.
The key to the whole contact card fiasco was simple for me. They wanted 5 cards and I gave them 5 no problem. Now I worked downtown where those coppers paid $$ ACLU lawsuit . Not me .... You couldn't find one of my "contacts" because they didn't exist. There was no way I was going to go out and get them their numbers for absolutely no reason. Never forget the day they delivered the new contact cards with the numbers on them. I said, "this can't be good". It was shortly there after that the idiots at the top made them a stat thus ruining the usefulness of the contact card.
Quotas will never go away.....
or perhaps the Lt has no idea why the number is down, wouldn't be the first to have no real sense on what is being done out in the field, or if the Sgts are even bothering to supervise, lead or mentor. Were calls for service up- available manpower down or perhaps that one beat car which always plays the "no turn on red "and spends half the day down on stops has furlough.
I don't agree with quotas, and scoffed at those who believed a mover, 5 parkers and a bus check meant they earned their pay...but That Lt's answer made him look clueless not clever.
The error many exempts make is that they stick their kids or significant other on the job.
Just picture special ED he cant talk back.
Son is a NEWBIE working a beat car waiting for a SGT exam
His lovely Merit wife has a CR # about cheating that could be open whenever.
How many YOJ does does baby Special have. Currently the requirement is 3.5 just to sit for the exam. But who am I kidding, that can change quick.
Don’t buy the story at all. Hasn’t anyone out there notice the difference between Captain and Lieutenant’s stars and Sergeant’s and P.O.’s?
There are little “balls” on the tips of each point of the Star. What do you think those little balls symbolize? As part of the promotion process they make sure each individual is like a gelding. You know, your balls are removed and you become part of the CPD hierarchy.
Why does CPD continue with the rank of Captain ?
Useless rank , do zero , why are Captains assigned as Inspectors? Writing up people for dirty shoes , slow response , goatees,ear rings and other minor infractions is the responsibility of a sergeant and who ever inspected the police at roll call .
Another complete waste of tax dollars , FOP submit an FOIA for the activity , GPS , of every Captain assigned as Inspectors?
Do it , let the troops know , public know , these high paid cowards do not respond to in progress calls , assist on traffic stops , they hide , never see them on a domestic . Groot is over her head , she has a Superintendent that didn’t want the job.
And don't forget all the "point shaving"
come evaluation time...
The whole damned thing is crooked as fuck.
The Lt. was right.
If you Gold star gumps want all this yummy
delicious "activity" then be a man and give
the troops a number.
Whut?
You don't want to put yourself in the legal/
punitive damages jackpot for setting a "quota?"
But you jackasses want air and opportunity to
fuck blueshirts over for not getting enough of
what you're demanding.
"But dat's da way we always dunnit!"
Buncha dunces...
We hope blueshirts start getting into you bozos
pockets bigly, snatch your houses from under you
and leave you standing on the curb blinking stupidly
at what used to be yours and you begin to cry and
repeat to yourselves:
"I was a BOSS! How could this happen to ME?"
You know...
The same way you're setting up blueshirts to be
cooked in the jackpot.
"I was just following orders" is no place of refuge
for the unclouted peed-on peon blueshirt.
Neither should it be a refuge for you Gold Star gumps.
It's a new day...
True, up & down accountability is a muthafuckah
and you exempts have gotten away with dodging it
long enough.
Heh...
It does the troops great good for their morale
to see some generals laid out with their dicks
in the dirt.
"We're all BLUE..."
Right?
Police Like You Have No Friends.
Protect yourselves from "them."
Look.
Point & Laugh.
Leave.
The longer I go without hearing when this happened and who it was, the less I believe it occurred. Unfortunately, it seems to have all the earmarks of an urban legend.
Its a shame, I was rooting for this to be true.
It all started years ago with PHIL and the nonsensical DOC meetings.
Do we have a name or initials? I find this hard to believe.
got a pass on a parker for my '59 DeSoto Firedome.
cop said he was a gear head and offered to buy it.
Question, since Groot is a lawyer, is it possible to lodge a complaint with the ARDC against her?
To Whom it may concern,
Yearly we all receive our evaluations that means absolutely nothing and usually given to a supervisor whom you either haven’t worked for or one you haven’t been around a lot anyways. You can stick your numbers up your silly asses as I am just a “Meets Expectations “ employee now !......it all pays the same.. Over 22 years has passed and the continued political and media bashing is now just a numbing place that means nothing along with always waiting for a contract to settle....cesspool, pothole riddled city is an understatement to say the least..work is no longer stressful when you don’t give a shit anymore....
Sincerely,
The Police
3:53 am, well said.
stats stats stats....
ughhhhhh, I remember a time this was a fun and rewarding career
Good job, Lou......
So here's a bonus for all right-thinking taxpayers:
CULLERTON Indicted! Maybe there is hope yet for the rest of the greedy pigs in politics here.....
Madigan? Little Miss Madigan? Arena? Dare I say Rahm?
I don't know why officers do not file a grievance or hostile working condition when they break up partners or remove you from your car without justification. If they say your numbers are down, then ask for the "quota" that they are demanding you make. No justification, no removal.
A boss with BALLS!
I would work for him in an instant!
Lemmer probably shit his assless chaps
im so happy to hear that cullerton is getting indicted
now dupage county do yourb job and vote this prick out of office.
I don't know why officers do not file a grievance or hostile working condition when they break up partners or remove you from your car without justification. If they say your numbers are down, then ask for the "quota" that they are demanding you make. No justification, no removal.
A reason could be for not filing a grievance is that the contract does not cover partners. No where does it state you have a right to a certain partner or say how partners are assigned. Not being allowed to work with a certain partner is a hostile working condition?
Illinois is the most corrupt state in the United States.
Can't wait to retire. Stick your quota up your ass !!!!!!
Anonymous said...
"got a pass on a parker for my '59 DeSoto Firedome.
cop said he was a gear head and offered to buy it."
8/02/2019 12:20:00 PM
Sigh!
Green Eyes of envy but good on ya!
>Grin!<
Wishing we had the wherewithal to resto-mod a
'59 to '61 Chrysler Saratoga/Newport into a
one-off Chrysler Enforcer clone.
Big, brawny, hairy/scary, mean and fast.
All the heavy duty Police Pursuit goodies
and a 4bbl 383, 330-some horse and 450+
pounds of torque.
There were a few running with those
monstrous 413 Max Wedge engines in them.
Imagine one that's been rubbed and caressed
on at the Petty Boy's shops out in N.C.
Hat finna get got and in a hurry too...
>Grin!<
Rahm will never be indicted because he is protected by Lausch, Obama and Moosechelle, the New Democrat socialist candidate wanted by the dummycrats. What a joke. Madigan will skate too as will arena and the rest. All protected by the dummycrats.
WOW A Boss with BALLS!!!
Ask any Lt you know how much he/she gets hounded about numbers. It’s constant. Relentless. And it’s all about compstat. Gotta have the numbers for compstat. It doesn’t matter if crime is down, or there’s no shootings, if you aren’t bringing in the traffic stops numbers you aren’t working in their eyes.
Police Academy, 1984
prophetic
We had a very funny Lieutenant WC, and on the watch a very crazy Sergeant - had papers to prove he wasn't crazy. The WC would send the Sergeant (who was iknown city wide for being crazy) to events like Lolla, Puerto Rican Fest, Bud Billiken,
and he'd get a call about an hour later saying they were full, and didn't need him. The WC called him "his secret weapon". Not the same as the discussion, but some very clever Lt's. out there.
nonymous said...
It all started years ago with PHIL and the nonsensical DOC meetings.
8/02/2019 11:36:00 AM
No it actually started with Terry Hilliard, who stole the idea from NYPD. Compstat. Who was the loud mouth drunk boss who led those meetings - I forgot his name. Anyway, every superintendent does the same thing and just calls it a different name.
Anonymous said...
I don't know why officers do not file a grievance or hostile working condition when they break up partners or remove you from your car without justification. If they say your numbers are down, then ask for the "quota" that they are demanding you make. No justification, no removal.
8/02/2019 03:31:00 PM
The problem is that technically the department doesn't have to keep you to an assigned car or partner. What P.O.'s have to do that are 'counseled,' about lack of activity is to drop paper to begin documenting it. If the supervisor that counsels you is a Sgt, ask who is complaining? Unless he is a real dumb sunkhole, the Sgt will either say the Lt or the Commander. Depends because a lot of merit Lts will take the initiative to suck up to the Commander or they are scared of him or her. After the Sgt tells you which of the two it is griping, that's when you write a To From and inquire to the specific numbers that are needed so that you will not be harassed anymore for activity. Then if they start fucking with you from there on out you've at least got the ball rolling. Like vampires are afraid of sunlight, bossholes get petrified when you ask them to put their qoutas in writing.
Fair warning though. If you are a really lazy patrolman that stays down on jobs and also blows off jobs, you are giving them more then enough ammunition to fuck with you big time. I do my best to bring in zero parkers, movers, ISRs, ANOVs, etc. The Commander hates me but he can't say or do shit about it because I clear from my jobs as soon as I'm done and I don't complain to the Sgts or ask them for anything.
Anonymous said...
Question, since Groot is a lawyer, is it possible to lodge a complaint with the ARDC against her?
8/02/2019 12:32:00 PM
Yes, absolutely positively.
Anonymous said...
Why does CPD continue with the rank of Captain ?
Useless rank , do zero , why are Captains assigned as Inspectors? Writing up people for dirty shoes , slow response , goatees,ear rings and other minor infractions is the responsibility of a sergeant and who ever inspected the police at roll call .
Another complete waste of tax dollars , FOP submit an FOIA for the activity , GPS , of every Captain assigned as Inspectors?
Do it , let the troops know , public know , these high paid cowards do not respond to in progress calls , assist on traffic stops , they hide , never see them on a domestic . Groot is over her head , she has a Superintendent that didn’t want the job.
8/02/2019 09:38:00 AM
Quote from the man bun, gauge earring, goateed, dirty uniform wearing, dog on a job for hours so the rest of his/her watch picks up their slack, just written up by an Inspector officer of the new age!
Anonymous said...
"stats stats stats....
ughhhhhh, I remember a time this was a fun and rewarding career"
8/02/2019 02:43:00 PM
Yeah no shit...
We remember those times too.
We went from joyously targeting, hunting and hurting
criminals to being joyously targeted, hunted and hurt
BY criminals and their enablers.
Being The Police just isn't fun anymore.
Why is it that everyone convicted goes to jail in the Federal courts and hardly anyone convicted in the state courts go to jail? Maybe Kwami Can get a federal consent decree on the state courts?
WTF?
http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/chicago-cop-accidentally-shoots-own-finger-while-cleaning-gun-on-south-side
Anonymous said...
It all started years ago with PHIL and the nonsensical DOC meetings.
8/02/2019 11:36:00 AM
Back then they were CAR meetings.
005th district 2nd watch Lieutenants are killing the moral in the district. Please help us.
The majority of Lieutenants and above want numbers, numbers
and more numbers. They ask you to stop bringing in (so called) petty
arrest, they ask for more traffic stops then they change to less traffic and
more guns, stop the shootings etc etc etc
I do what I’m comfortable with like it or not. I don’t refuse orders but I
also won’t violate someone’ civil rights in the game of numbers.
I go to work in one piece, I go home to my fam in one piece!
Kudos to this Lieutenant (not many like him) I’d work for him too!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Good job, Lou......
So here's a bonus for all right-thinking taxpayers:
CULLERTON Indicted! Maybe there is hope yet for the rest of the greedy pigs in politics here.....
Madigan? Little Miss Madigan? Arena? Dare I say Rahm?
8/02/2019 02:55:00 PM
This isn’t state senate president John Cullerton. This is his cousin. A doichebag Cullerton, none the less, but I’d much rather see John Cullerton get indicted for something. Maybe they can link him to something from Madigan’s investigation. We can always wish.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We had a very funny Lieutenant WC, and on the watch a very crazy Sergeant - had papers to prove he wasn't crazy. The WC would send the Sergeant (who was iknown city wide for being crazy) to events like Lolla, Puerto Rican Fest, Bud Billiken,
and he'd get a call about an hour later saying they were full, and didn't need him. The WC called him "his secret weapon". Not the same as the discussion, but some very clever Lt's. out there.
8/02/2019 06:51:00 PM
Sounds like the crazy Russian from 017 and Lt. P.
Most of the command staff has been autistic for as long as I can remember.
They like to count things, and they continually insist that those numbers increase.
This gives them something to do each period. They produce paperwork that shows all these numbers, make a lot of copies of that paperwork, and distribute that paperwork all over the department. This "justifies" their job.
"Killing trees, spinning wheels, burning gas."
rb
Anonymous said...
Lemmer probably shit his assless chaps
8/02/2019 05:31:00 PM
Bad aim?
550, lol, had a wonderful DC that I made an appt. to talk to. Told him how the w/c was taking me off my car and away from my partner (because I laughed when he hit on me). My DC let him know to quit fucking with me. My #s were very good. The fucking pos also denied my requests to work special enjoyments. My d/c also told his fatass to sign my requests. Ahh, the good old days!!!
Sgt AZ was bonkers..Got lots of ot because of his antics..Some good arrests were made..Guns & drugs..He loved using the Taser..So much,that he was prohibited from taking one out..😂😂
http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/chicago-cop-accidentally-shoots-own-finger-while-cleaning-gun-on-south-side
******************
That's happened many times. I know of a copper that shot part of his ring finger off, accidentally. I know of a cop that shot herself in the leg while practicing her quick draw. These damn guns just up and shoot people. ;)
Anonymous said...
"Sgt AZ was bonkers.. Got lots of ot because of his antics...
Some good arrests were made... Guns & drugs... He loved using the Taser...
So much,that he was prohibited from taking one out..." 😂😂
8/03/2019 09:59:00 AM
Lol!
We used to joke that A.Z. was like a Claymore Mine:
>FRONT TOWARD ENEMY<
You'd pray that he somehow didn't turn himself
toward the friendlies when the clacker got clapped...
"Shit! Dude's in the wire!"
>Ka-clap... BANG!<
Be ever vigilant for mis-aimed/mis-indexed
destructive dee-vices kids.
All kidding aside, we will say this though...
We NEVER knew A.Z. to turn tail and go the other way
when Policemen were hollering for help.
We've seen PLENTY of "Police Managers" who have.
Motherfuck them and they know who they are...
Fair warning though. If you are a really lazy patrolman that stays down on jobs and also blows off jobs, you are giving them more then enough ammunition to fuck with you big time. I do my best to bring in zero parkers, movers, ISRs, ANOVs, etc. The Commander hates me but he can't say or do shit about it because I clear from my jobs as soon as I'm done and I don't complain to the Sgts or ask them for anything.
8/02/2019 06:56:00 PM
You should be so proud of yourself!!! WOW
More like that LT please! (from a tax payer that wants to help)
Re: No it actually started with Terry Hilliard, who stole the idea from NYPD. Compstat. Who was the loud mouth drunk boss who led those meetings - I forgot his name. Anyway, every superintendent does the same thing and just calls it a different name.
The guy you are referring to is Anthony Chiesa. Not a bad guy, but a bit full of himself. And, yes, perhaps enjoyed a few cocktail hours.
Anonymous said...
Fair warning though. If you are a really lazy patrolman that stays down on jobs and also blows off jobs, you are giving them more then enough ammunition to fuck with you big time. I do my best to bring in zero parkers, movers, ISRs, ANOVs, etc. The Commander hates me but he can't say or do shit about it because I clear from my jobs as soon as I'm done and I don't complain to the Sgts or ask them for anything.
8/02/2019 06:56:00 PM
You should be so proud of yourself!!! WOW
8/04/2019 10:19:00 AM
I am thank you.
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