Groot Finds $100 Million
Remember, Chicago is broke, but money keeps appearing from nowhere, lying around, unused:
- City Treasurer Kurt Summers announced the Chicago Community Catalyst Fund in 2016 with much fanfare — the city would earmark $100 million to jump-start investments in struggling neighborhoods, providing the seed money needed for ventures in places where many banks had been reluctant to put their money.
None of it was spent. In fact, it wasn’t until Summers was about to leave office this May that he moved $75 million of the earmarked money into a bank account where it could be administered. But upon taking office, Mayor Lori Lightfoot deemed that move improper and pulled the funds back, while not accusing Summers of doing anything illegal.
Now, Lightfoot herself is looking to reboot the program and finally deliver on its promise. Last month, she was given the names of possible people to fill vacancies on the fund’s board, and along with new Treasurer Melissa Conyears-Ervin is looking to fund projects on the city’s South and West sides.
Questions remain, however, about how the Catalyst Fund, also known as Fund 77, was set up to begin with.
There ought to be some Pension Funds and union officials wondering how many other pots of money are lying around, un-utilized or improperly accounted for.
In fact, maybe a bankruptcy judge would like to take a look?
In fact, maybe a bankruptcy judge would like to take a look?
Labels: money questions
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Once again vacant lots cleaned.. new buildings built.. and community based businesses will go in them. The feel good souls food kitchen story or ghetto yoga studio and hair salon will all be the big success stories about these funds.. but in a year or two, after the fan fare and novelty wear off and the community decides that it was cool to try they will all go out of business.. the community based businesses will move out and the landlords will put up for lease and for rent signs in their place. Before you know it it will be prestige liquors, abc cellular, Sir Vontays fade shop and the chips,pop and cigarette sto’. I’m not saying this to be a pessimist. I’m saying this because in 32 years of working in the ghetto I have seen this dozens and dozens of times over and it all ends the same way. If you put lipstick on an ugly girl she will look pretty only until the lipstick wears off. Exactly what happens in the ghetto. Sad, but true.
Spending money in the communities means votes. Pensions funds mean drain on budget and no return in the form of votes. Find an aggressive lawyer who can initiate a suit that will stop the expenditure of any monies until prior financial obligations are satisfied.
Ervin was writing checks off the city of Maywood bank account after they told her stop (because they were broke). What a perfect choice to help bankrupt this shitty...er city. Ervin has the experience.
Actually, that money wzs most likely stolen from te pensions. The city soent pension funding money on everything BUT as designated for the pensions.
Pensions were robbed. The politiliar demonrays changed the laws to rob the pensions. Ask anyone over the age of 40 who paid attention.
The Pension Fund trustees ought to go to court and file an emergency motion for summary judgment to SEIZE the $75 million, and have it applied toward the critically underfunded pension funds.
I’ve been commenting that’s why the city won’t file bankruptcy . All these assets MUST BE DISCLOSED including 1.5 Billion in TIF FUNDS
The way I have mapped out my retirement is thus: If I see some pension money, great, but I am not going to depend on it. The pension fund obligations are too far from being properly funded. Despite phenominal Stock Market returns, it appears all the State, County and City funds will never see proper fundng.
I hear the talk of changing the State Constituion, see the spending priorities of Elected Officials and can see the grim writing on the wall. Get a side-hustle and save or we all will be competing for WalMart greeter jobs in our 70's.
The fact that this new crop of Politician is clearly Socialist does not bode well for pensions: They want to break the System so the large number of gov employees left pensionless will have no other choice but to enbrace the progressive/collective initiatve.
God help our children.
So just throw more money at the issue? Lori, you dumbass, you’re literally saying the same shit that the last 100 years worth of Democrats have said. And it hasn’t worked. You can invest all you want, but there’s a culture issue. And investment won’t fix that.
criminal neighborhoods.
Funny how the city always is broke until money is earmarked for mayoral specials. A lot of pockets here.
typical governmental mismanagement , people elect politicians who have no executive management experience and of course their decisions are made for political purposes with no concern for long range consequences ,regardless of Mayor Lightfoot's intentions the fact remains she doesn't have any management experience to measure up to being the CEO of of a corporation with a budget of that of some small countries, the politician who will say the right things gets the votes regardless , our previous mayors were politicians first last and always that's why the financial position of the city only gets worse rather than somebody making hard but necessary decisions that would cut their own throat politicly
Think of all of the Entrepreneurs that will be created when Lamon opens his center on South Ashland, millionaires all. Now they have the funds available to realize their dreams. If only they show up.
$100 million - $75 million = $25 million. Where is the $$$$?
What once were empty lots and warehouse in the west loop are now multi-resdidential buildings bringing millions of additional property tax revenue that they didn't habe 15 years ago ! Still crying poor ! GTFOH
Everybody knows it takes a munchkin to find a leprechaun's pot of gold.
Once again demorats reward those that contribute nothing with money taken from people that do the most. ♠️
Good money after bad...
Here’s an idea invest in businesses in former Ald Arenas neglected 45th Ward and people can take the Blue Line to jobs in a safe neighborhood.
So where I do I apply for my small business grant? I've got a strong business case for yet another wig shop on the south side.
She's a crooked Jack Wagon, boys.
Don't stand in her way!
She's a real wizard with a hand steamer so it
don't surprise me she found that dough. As a kid she
went the extra mile and kept the couch free of those
pesky nickles, dimes, quarters, and pennies that get
stuck between the cushions. She always had money
for jawbreakers and baseball cards.
The south and west side might benefit from spending these funds as intended. But the ENTIRE CITY would benefit by using it to shore up the pensions. Not to mention that money was essentially STOLEN from the pensions in the first place, due to the politicians failure to fund the pension funds as required by law.
So Lori, show some fiscal responsibility. Do the right thing and prove your critics wrong to show that you are more than just an Affirmative Action Triple Play who can only pander to your base.
First, the "Where's Mine? Where's Mine? Where's Mine?" Has to be addressed.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Has anyone heard from the pimp priest
Lori is animated like Charlie Chaplin.
Now if we could only turn the sound off.
Chicago governance shouldn't include taxpayer-funded "seeding" of any private business venture, whether corporate or sole-propietor. This fund is nothing more than cash-bribes to a constiuency already receiving many "freebies". Let's see how many grants are giving to Lincoln Park residents, or Streeterville residents, or Jefferson Park residents. Nope, it's another "people of color" gimme. As a taxpayer, I'm past disgusted. Let's focus on obviously declining home-prices here in Chicago, due to rising taxes and economic uncertainty, coupled with Chicago having the largest out-migration of white-collar workers in USA. Chicago is losing its taxpayer base, and if head-tax goes ahead, if sales tax on business services goes ahead, await a business out-migration as well. Detroit, here we are, as Crains Chicago Business predicted maybe a decade ago. Same root causes, same results.
Did she ever get the 50 vacant lots cleaned up that were supposed to "end the violence"?
Tuesday and Wednesday counted almost weekend like shooting totals. Nice job
Common sense --That's the Pension funds they stole.
Start the forensic audit.
Never give the SJWS the checkbook. Never learned that in Auditing 201 but watched as city after city has fallen apart.
Yeah. Invest in the hood maybe a nail salon might be in the future!!
2016 a 100 mil into a fund.
None of it was spent.
2019 75 mil in the fund.
WHERE IS THE 25 MIL???
Spending money in the South and West sides will help buy the support of activists, community organizers and reverends, but it will have less positive impact on those communities than would happen if they simply flushed the money down the toilet.
Enriched activists etc. will stir up “the community”, leading to more crime and violence; flushing the money down the toilet has no appreciable effect on the community, which would be a net improvement over giving millions to the race-baiters.
Yeah, it would be nice if they would take this earmark
money and buy 90-day T-Bills to generate interest, but
that would be too logical
A few years ago a big deal was made about a Target store opening in an 'underserved area'.
It closed a few months ago because it was losing too much money due to inventory shrinkage.
Both customers and employees.
The reason no businesses invest in those areas is there is no money to be made.
Used Bombas socks are the new rabbit's foot for kids.
Lori just can't keep those urchins outta her trash can.
Vintage Cook County
The city,county, and state are not bankrupt. They just refuse to budget correctly for the mandated expenses. Think of how much money comes in daily from your taxes and fees. All they do is collect and reallocate money on what they feel is important. It’s millions daily they collect. They all have plenty of money.
There was a family across the street that had a TV
and cable hook up for the grandmother in the living
room and for the mother and son in the adjoining
bedrooms upstairs. They all stayed inside during
the horrendous summer heatwaves of years past.
Sure 'nough they lost the house. You can't spend
more than you make.
There IS hope for that misguided Thillens employee.
He managed to turn change into $500K.
Why am I craving chocolate CHIP cookies right now?
Famous Quote " I live on the fringe of society, I go by the code of the dragon". Author = Frank Gallagher , Shameless TV Series.
Why just the south and west sides? Does she think there are no poor people on the North, Northwest or Southwest side?
Jump Start Investments is struggling Neighborhoods ? Habibs Corner grocery store selling the goods stolen in the Norhside Walgreens,And the stolen I phone store.
There ought to be some Pension Funds and union officials wondering how many other pots of money are lying around, un-utilized or improperly accounted for.
In fact, maybe a bankruptcy judge would like to take a look?
Labels: money questions
Rumor of the day is the disgraced twerp murder mayor hid millions of dollars in accounts during his eight year reign of terror...
" $100 million to jump-start investments in struggling neighborhoods "
TRANSLATION
"Just piss it away."
"Fund 77 from Outer Space"
"...reboot the program and finally deliver on its promise...". It's easy to make promises, but delivery will be impossible, because it's based on flawed assumptions. It has never happened anywhere, ever, and it will not happen here. You cannot help a community when it is struggling against itself.
It's like when a mom & pop corner store gets behind
with the invoices. Once it becomes "cash at the door",
the money always appears.
I’m saying this because in 32 years of working in the ghetto I have seen this dozens and dozens of times over and it all ends the same way. If you put lipstick on an ugly girl she will look pretty only until the lipstick wears off. Exactly what happens in the ghetto. Sad, but true.
9/26/2019 12:13:00 AM
Perhaps it's time to bid out of the ghetto and attend church to find more reputable women...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The Pension Fund trustees ought to go to court and file an emergency motion for summary judgment to SEIZE the $75 million, and have it applied toward the critically underfunded pension funds.
9/26/2019 01:29:00 AM
Don’t think it’s that easy. If it was I’m sure they would have done it
This is the Ellipsis: ...
This is what our country has become today.
The ellipsis "..." fills the Whistleblower saga.
The new iPhone has 8.5 Billion transistors.
But Washington and the Media are stuck on ...
They expect the American public to accept this
I say:
(smiley face)...(smiley face)
Hey Lori, when your little 4 ounce bottle of artisanal
horseradish freezes, it means your refrigerator setting
is too cold. Move it down a few shelves so it remains
cold but pliable.
Now, about that found money...
Well if you can find that much money surely you can
spare me some funds for my medical marijuana cravings.
Extra aged cheese, organic bone broth, albacore tuna, and
nut thins.
Same old story. Nothing changes in Chicago. Spend spend spend
They didn’t find shit...they hid it.
Hid it since it was proposed in 2016, funded in 2017 and only now the 130 Day Historic mayor King GrootFoot rolls it out as some sort of grand idea. I think Rahm planned on this Fund 77 to be his re-election springboard.
Furthermore the City strong armed private business to add another $300 mil into it.
So what happened to that? Business bailed out with Rahm ?
Even if $100 mil was socked alway, it didn’t earn a nickel in interest in 2 years of Trumponomics?
Nobody is checking the books and this sort of squirreling away of funds is common, plenty stuffed away for political advantages.
Take that that Sanctuary City ID program with a quick $1 million Rahm “found” to get it set up. Has any investigative fact finders looked into that office of the City Clerk to see how its operations has grown?
The 77 Fund was named after the 77 communities across the city, but now under The Catalyst only certain Zip Codes will see the funds distribution.
And since the original Fund 77 slush fund was to involve private business (apparently they pulled out) I’m sure it was tied to certain Developers, investors (SterlingsBay-LincolnYards) having to put up, it brings up the TIF Funds honeypot. Guess where the Groot Catalyst Fund is going tap for additional community investments. Mmmmm-hmmm...bingo, the surplus laden TIFs. Well, maybe no longer a surplus since Sterling Bay was guaranteed (by Groot) $1.3 billion in commitments. 2020 property taxes increases on y’all will restock the pond.
And did you know :
Speaking of pension funding being ignored, the last CPS/CTU Contract year 2015-16 there was a TIF $175 mil surplus and CPS was allowed to tap (Rahm gift) $88 million of it ? Guess where the rest went....Sterling Bay Lincoln Yards.
Imagine that. CPS is due a Contract settlement, got $88 mil last time around and Groot diverts $100 mil beforehand.
Call it Fund 77, Catalyst, or TIF... pattern of practice corruption by any other name is still corruption.
I'm thinking it never was intended to be spent on anything in the first place, much less the impoverished South and West Sides. It was set aside like a hostage for Rahm: "Do as I say or the 100 million dollar investment gets it!" Is that really new? Money and resources intended for poverty-stricken areas being used for something else or not being used at all? I'm shocked - SHOCKED, I tell you - that this was the work of a Democratic politician.
Flood that zone
Cagistics was invented because a banker didn't want
his brand new carpet caked with mud. So he sent a
money truck to the factories on payday to cash checks
in the parking lot. In an ideal world we could flood the
'hoods with biodegradable guns and bullets, lock everything
up, and come back two weeks later to a vacuumed city.
But it don't work like that.
So we have to put up with these scare tactics. No money,
found money. If you decamped to Cleveland for two years,
then came back, it would all be the same. It's bullshit on a loop.
Governments always claim budgets are broke. The other set of books the CAFR , is where all assets, investments and other monies are.
Ladies and gentlemen you are fools if you bring in any activity for the city. Just answer the radio calls. We need to take a stand against the city and we can’t do it with kiss asses bringing in numbers.
haha just wait, it was swept from funds that were NOT supposed to be utilized for whatever means... kinda like when the Govs swipe funds from things in Illinois to pay for dumb shit elsewhere and thusly keep the circle going!
accountability is a pipe dream
Lori is a clone of the former midget mayor Rahm. She is no more a reformer than New York's Tammany Hall. Groot is a liar, manipulator, socialist ideolog, vindictive, biased and a Machine puppet. Bottom line she is another Daley and Rahm only smaller, gay, black and inexperienced. Finding the money was no surprise. The only surprise was in the timing to make it public, how to spend it, and who benefits from the find. Now is the perfect time when you tell everyone about new found money and that your going to spend it on the west and south sides.
She will take care those communities and still continue to publicly cry "poor mouth". She'll still claim the $838M budget short fall to tax all of us. You can bet on that. The key is with this new found money. Groot can take credit in that she has taken care of her campaign promise to exclusively dump the money in her Community. Clever little girl.
What happened to the other 25 million? What about the interest?
3:14 A.M. your trying to brainwash by slipping in changing the illinois Constitution? Everyone knows to vote no on changing the Constitution. Nice try socialist troll.
nothing illegal my ass
Copy and paste from suntimes:
CITY HALL
How can Chicago erase $838 million budget shortfall? Lightfoot asks aldermen for ideas
is she for real???? lets start there, cut 25 alderman immediately!!!
There is plenty of money! How much money in TIF Districts?
South and West sides only no money for Mt. Greenwood and Edison Park.
Anonymous said...
Once again vacant lots cleaned.. new buildings built.. and community based businesses will go in them. The feel good souls food kitchen story or ghetto yoga studio and hair salon will all be the big success stories about these funds.. but in a year or two, after the fan fare and novelty wear off and the community decides that it was cool to try they will all go out of business.. the community based businesses will move out and the landlords will put up for lease and for rent signs in their place. Before you know it it will be prestige liquors, abc cellular, Sir Vontays fade shop and the chips,pop and cigarette sto’. I’m not saying this to be a pessimist. I’m saying this because in 32 years of working in the ghetto I have seen this dozens and dozens of times over and it all ends the same way. If you put lipstick on an ugly girl she will look pretty only until the lipstick wears off. Exactly what happens in the ghetto. Sad, but true.
9/26/2019 12:13:00 AM
You can't help what can't be helped Trillions wasted since the 60s.
POOR LORI!!!
she couldnt get anybody she wanted to become a judge.
Now she has to buy loyalty with passing free tax payer cash out to BIZ-ness in the hood.
Try and find how you can get in on this online? ITS ON A NEED TO KNOW AND THE ALDERMAN HAVE THE KEYS.
and prick-wrinkle is gathering various Alderman to slow GROOT down...
And over here another knock on the door:
FBI raids tiny suburban village of McCook, where a Cook County commissioner is mayor
https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-fbi-raid-mccook-village-offices-20190926-tec6xnpe7fgh7phchek4w7ggk4-story.html
Round them up at this rate the feds will have a fully loaded Bus to the federal building! Thanks from a CPD copper in advance! Round em up ship them out!!
The mayor cries poor and FOP get strung along during contract talks yet. Special interest groups get all the money they need
Maybe we need a Federal Moderator over the City Finances so it is used properly.
All this extra money and yet the liabilities remain..
Ridiculous
Lori is no reformer....Business as usual....
As Bill said, "there's plenty of money, it's just in the wrong hands." I can think of a certain recent "violence prevention" hire for instance...
Rahm was real good at finding boatloads of money for his silly pet projects too.
I like the way this guy thinks - The Pension Fund trustees ought to go to court and file an emergency motion for summary judgment to SEIZE the $75 million, and have it applied toward the critically underfunded pension funds.
Hey Groot,
Check out Chicago Airport Rescue 3 (O'Hare)
Looks like high tech shit to me. Guys on airplane wings,
ladder trucks, the whole nine yards. Oh, and a great little
Facebook nighttime Christmas lights photo. Hey, back in
the day you needed special lens and film for that. Now you
just need an iPhone. No problem.
There's plenty of money, it's just out at the airports. Surprise
inspection visit? Sorry. There's a Federal law about who can
get on the tarmacs. Keeps the riff raff out. There's also a
BIG grapevine so we know what's up. We look out for each
other. It's a country club out here. 'Chicago Fire' got it all
wrong. The big action is at the airports.
10 million maybe going back to FAA after CFD’s complete stupidity for falsifying and lying about records.
Like the three stooges episode..we can make them become gentlemen! Oh no! Not that!
I just had "dinner": Mezzetta Garlic Stuffed Olives and Dole
Pineapple Chunks (in juice), both cold from the fridge and
some vitamins. I'll make a food run tomorrow, but I can't
help wonder what they are feasting on at Air Rescue 3.
Seems to me that would be like going to work at NASA
everyday. Really, how many airport fires and crash landings
are there? I would think the hardest problem is keeping your
weight down. Those guys sleep like babies every night
because there's no danger some freak will break in and
shoot them. It's like a firehouse in Beverly Hills. They
should be happy they have a job inside an essentially
double gated community. No vandalism or theft from
vehicles. That alone should lower your insurance.
There's money around but its quiet money. Money that's
always been there so you really don't see it anymore.
More power to Groot if she 'found' some.
Isn't it amazing Chicagoans haven't woken up and demanded better from the generations of demmonrat lies, strong arms, payoffs, and vote shenanigans?
Am ridiculously disappointed in Lake County's slap on the wrist to Chicago's ferals misbehaving. We all know that lots of behind the scenes community whining and mess happened. I'm so sick of these ferals and their whining, abuse, and descruction.
Chicago should file for bankruptcy if indeed bankrupted!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why just the south and west sides? Does she think there are no poor people on the North, Northwest or Southwest side?
9/26/2019 09:56:00 AM
North Milwaukee ave has a lot of empty storefronts. Not to mention Devon and Central. Not as prosperous as a few years ago
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Here’s an idea invest in businesses in former Ald Arenas neglected 45th Ward and people can take the Blue Line to jobs in a safe neighborhood.
9/26/2019 07:11:00 AM
Too busy in investing in high rises look at Milwaukee Ave. Blocks of vacant storefronts. They need investments too
OT: Feds raid West suburban Lyons and McCook's village halls and Mayor's offices. See, the Cook County 'burbs are just as bad.
Off topic: District Collaboration Officer? Isn't that what CAPS is supposed to do? Sounds like another bullshit spot to hide somebody. A once proud police department continues to circle the drain. I'm glad I'm retired.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I like the way this guy thinks - The Pension Fund trustees ought to go to court and file an emergency motion for summary judgment to SEIZE the $75 million, and have it applied toward the critically underfunded pension funds.
Sounds good. If I have a few free hours tomorrow I’ll swing by the court and file that emergency motion for an underfunding problem that been going on for 50 plus years get the seized 75 million deposited by Saturday
Un-Fuckin believable...Just heard on the news that CTU refused the latest City offers, which in 5 yrs, an average salary for a public school teacher would be nearly $100,000. We deal with mentals, bbsit, act as psychologists (CIT) run to gun fire, clear buildings for possible active shooters, etc etc for diddly squat pay and continue to get shit on...What a joke, a failing school system, closing schools, declining enrollment and teachers, who for some, are not qualified and put 2% into their pension is an outrage!
Anonymous said...
OT: Feds raid West suburban Lyons and McCook's village halls and Mayor's offices. See, the Cook County 'burbs are just as bad.
9/26/2019 04:46:00 PM
Did they get the Kingpin big Larry?
Anonymous said...
Un-Fuckin believable...Just heard on the news that CTU refused the latest City offers, which in 5 yrs, an average salary for a public school teacher would be nearly $100,000. We deal with mentals, bbsit, act as psychologists (CIT) run to gun fire, clear buildings for possible active shooters, etc etc for diddly squat pay and continue to get shit on...What a joke, a failing school system, closing schools, declining enrollment and teachers, who for some, are not qualified and put 2% into their pension is an outrage!
9/26/2019 06:38:00 PM
Don’t forget many live outside this corruption filled city, get 3 months off in summer,2 weeks Christmas, clean up week and every holiday, plus work 2 hours for bullshit teachers institute days sorry folks the vulgarity they teach anti police nonsense fuck them!
Hey Groot I’m having a hard time making ends meet on my modest pension.
Can you find some money for me??
OK, there's virtually no option for municipalities/local units of government to file for bankruptcy. Pretty sure it's only available for really small units of local government. The IL legislature would have to pass enabling legislation for units of local government to file for bankruptcy, and that's just not happening.
IF bankruptcy occurred, the fight will come down to the bond holders vrs. the pensions. Ain't happening in Chicago/Cook County. Democrats will never let that happen. They will go to a 'pay as you go' environment (pay obligations when money is available) rather that go into bankruptcy. And if the money never seems to become available to pay pension obligations, oh well.
Reason is simple. A court appointed federal bankruptcy trustee is equivalent of GOD. What the Trustee says pretty much goes. EVERYTHING is subject to the Bankruptcy Court - Contracts, pensions, bonded indebtedness, expenditures, revenues, you name it. I mean all of it. The mayor, alderman, etc. are all still elected - but in financial matters, they are on the sidelines. And btw, the Bankruptcy Court trustee review powers also will likely apply to past fiscal expenditures.
The really interesting part is what will happen with other closely related local government entities located in Cook County, such as MSD, Cook County government, a number of municipalities, etc. It could get really wild.
let the teachers strike then fire all of them and put out the help wanted signs and start over.
Can we see what the results were of all the funds that have been pumped into the south and west side in the last 20 years? Besides enriching politicians and MB (make believe) Reverends. All it ever ends up being is tax payer funded bribes for the democratic party.
the city would earmark $100 million to jump-start investments in struggling neighborhoods, providing the seed money needed for ventures in places where many banks had been reluctant to put their money.
Wow!! This is pure financial genius. Now the City of Chicago will benefit from the investment that those greedy, stupid, stingy bankers were unwilling to make. God these people are amazing.
"the city would earmark $100 million to jump-start investments in struggling neighborhoods, providing the seed money needed for ventures in places where many banks had been reluctant to put their money."
Throw money in a bottomless pit and a bunch of freeloading "entrepreneurs " will buy new Escalades and bling.
Democrats cover for each other. This too will go nowhere.
Make a deal with chic fil a company... open up about a dozen franchises in the city. They are busy and generate a ton of cash. The weed smokers will get the munchies? Yes? Just install trap doors at the registers so dude doesn’t get brave!
Anonymous said...
"the city would earmark $100 million to jump-start investments in struggling neighborhoods, providing the seed money needed for ventures in places where many banks had been reluctant to put their money."
Throw money in a bottomless pit and a bunch of freeloading "entrepreneurs " will buy new Escalades and bling.
9/27/2019 04:26:00 PM
Didn’t ex governor, what’s his name, give away about $100 million to anti violence mutts, just before his failed election? They still don’t know where that money went.... thought I would never forget his name!
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