Robbery/Homicide Section
Here's the draft order for some of the Detective reorganization currently underway (click for larger versions):
Interesting. This might be a halfway decent idea....depending on how it's executed.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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Well Charlie your half way there appease the DectS send them all to Homan 10 hour shifts just got their vote Here’s one FTO get D2A and a half hour every day. Get rid of all of the Deps and over boss that’s a start
I wonder just how Smart those Department issued “Smart Phones” will actually be? Hopefully they’ll be smarter than the iPhone 5s which is no longer supported.
MAJOR MAJOR changes coming to the Dick Units....
The Homicide Unit is coming back with a vengeance - The Homicide Units will be supplemented with personnel (PO's) from OCD that are getting cut from Narcotics- half the cases that narcotics investigates is getting legalized come Jan 1- so no need for all those people in 189..
the rest are going back to patrol.
I heard the Dept. is trying to figure out how to make a citywide team that the city can use at their disposal much like the Tact teams- with details and being sent across the city when they need the bodies- they want to put the Tat teams back in uniform and unmarked cars like LA has- they don't have civilian dressed personnel unless they work in their Detective Bureau.
I know the department has been meeting with veteran detectives to assist in implementing this- they have been sending several detectives to meet with other Big City Departments to see what works and what doesn't. It also comes to a major issue the other cities don't have the likes of Lovey & Lovey and the fact that they stuffed NON-Detective Supervisors into the Bureau years ago and ran it into the ground....
Draft? Naw... Just open a bottle!
"Robbery/Homicide? Two items I won't let get prosecuted under my watch!" ~ Kim Foxx
Don't worry the leadership will figure a way to F it up, they always do. Merits always think they are the smartest ones in the room when they shouldn't be in the room in the first place.
10.6% would be lower if there weren't a few slam-dunks and people confessing on there own.
NOJO ?
To bad the order don’t jive with the on call compensation that is already in the contract as stand by. Says officer will be compensated for time available to work as time worked. Arbitration ain’t gonna change that.
I'll leave my personal vehicle parked in the area for three days after I pick up my on call car. Huh?
Ding Ding Ding
Are you ready for the clout heavyweight championship of the world to get this spot??
As always, the devil will be in the details.
“Members will be assigned by Exempt Members” etc, etc
The ones we currently have?
Give me a break!
I see the Chief of Detectives needs to sign off on this,my question is has anyone seen Staples? I think she has her head in the sand until Beck is gone so things will go back to normal....
Will Riggs and Murtaugh be coming to Chicago too?
E.T.s should be on a similar schedule and pay scale.
im sure the desk dollies and the exempts side pieces will get in the unit.
I’m sure the interviews will be conducted by qualified exempt personnel, all very knowledgeable in investigative matters, after all they “earned” their exempt status.
This just means that there will now be “merit” homicide detectives.
Interesting. This might be a halfway decent idea....depending on how it's executed.
Labels: department issues
Question: Do black patent leather shoes really reflect up?
It is a flat out violation of the contract:
- work schedule
- call back
- OT and how it is paid (swiping & FLSA)
Working a 10-hr and being called back to handle a murder; you'll never get a day off.
Ok. Start dismantling the Merit hack buffoons that have bowed to the Mayor(s).
They’re not interested in clearance and no Central Homicide Unit will make any difference when CookCounty routinely lets armed assailants walk out of jail.
Another pilot program and scheduling change and if nobody applies for this exciting new old strategy, some folks will be drafted.
The On-Call gets the take home car, limited to 10 hr tours, because assignments always come at the start of a tour. It’s also the average time it takes to get a GOCR, canvass, witness interviews. Of course if by chance there’s an arrest, wait for the arrest report, lineups, canvasses, supplemental reports, video interrogation, inventories, hosting impatient witnesses before even thinking about ever calling the Restorative Justice CookCo Felony Case Intake Call Center.
I’m sure some of the seasoned will remain, but as always a new Unit means new batch of ne’er on the street dollies.
How many Administrative HouseMouse Detectives, Sgts and Lts will be assigned to manage the CHU ?
Gotta have a duty desk separate from RBT/SVU.
A Central Homicide Unit for each Area or will this be housed out at A-C?
Is the OnCall a 24/7 notification, complete a tour and have to drop what your doing to handle another affordable bond murder?
Wouldn’t want to be the On-Call once assigned to A-N and having to drive to A-S or vice versa.
Guess you have to sign up to find out just how sweet a dill this pickle will be.
I wonder if midnights will still operate shorthanded and lopsided as ever.
Yeah, this will great LAPD model work, so says The Chollie.
Nobody bothered to put any responsibility or accountability on CCSAO.
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And let me get one of those NOJO’s with cheese.
NOJO= Notice of Job Opportunity
I have NO doubt that the city will screw this up. Too many BS supervisors in the "D" Unit. This is what was wrong when the Koschman case blew up. These people operate with impunity and act like every thing they say and do is Legit. Even now they are likely interviewing, and acting like they are "the Legit" detective supervisors. Some of them should be nominated for "best actor". From the commander on down. I suggest that they start the unit with supervisors known for leadership, and not who they know. And experience as a Detective would be nice here. The poison here has gone deep. It's gonna take time to bridge the punctures, and suck out all the venom.
And just where are all these "On Call" cars going to come from? The motor pool? Ha! I remember my first detectives pool car needed a jump every time we started it. I brought in a "jump start" battery pack. So we left it running, when it ran. We got to drive it if it didn't have a flat or two. I actually took out my own car on jobs for a while.
Beck....you're not going to be here long enough to really change things, but thanks for trying. This city is an actual train wreck. Anything it touches turns to a steaming pile of dung.
I guess the 10 hour day is staying around for a while. I was hoping that was almost over with. People with the "blessing" will always seem to get the better starting hours. What a horrible implementation that was. A 24 hour day, split into 3 shifts always yields an 8 hour shifts. It's simple math. Overlapping and waiting for cars is unacceptable.
Just my .02
I cringe when I see this on anything anymore “per approval of Exempt Rank Members”.
Are we talking about “all merit” exempt, “partial merit” exempt or “non merit” exempt.
I really think there should be a designator on the uniform.
Not a chance this is going to work. Chicago has triple the amount of homicides that LA does. The call out system will not work.
I don't understand the name. Is it robbery or is it homicide?
This will be at Human Square? Driving my car there when I live in 022 instead of Area South? No ty
Are the Detectives leaving the Districts ??
Has that question been addressed??
NOJO ?
12/24/2019 05:50:00 AM
Notice of Job Opportunity
It’s supposed to make applications to units a “legit” process but not all of us get invited to the Ceres Cafe.
To the idiot poster about meeting with other Departments. Completely false. This draft order made its way around about a month ago. We already saw it and dismissed it. The old areas are opening up, and there will be Homicide teams in each of the areas with a homicide Lt and a separate Violent Lt. That what the PERF order reads and that’s what is being enacted.
How can you have a Robbery/Homicide Unit when every legitimate burglary and robbery gets downgraded to theft to make the numbers look better?
It’ll eventually be filled by reverse seniority. This job is not my identity. I’m just fine in SVU, not being sued repeatedly by Loevy X2 and spending tons of time with my family. Too little, too late, CPD.
It could very well be a step in the right direction.
So the eri interview video will now be available under “ freedom of information “
So like a sgt the on call people get free time 1/4 hr, was that negotiated in bargaining unit ? Do all the on call personnel receive 1/4 hrs? How are watch selections going to be changed if you accept a homicide position on a different watch or are grievances in order ?
Chas W Salvatore: I was promoted in late 1977 to the rank of Detective. At the time there were the following units: Homicide/Sex, Robbery, Burglary, Auto Theft, General Assignments. I was assigned to Homicide/Sex. I would watch as the Robbery Detectives would, day in and day out, would bring in robbery suspects for line-ups. The vast majority of time the offender would be identified and charged. Several years later Robbery and Homicide were combined. The unit commander stated that this was a name change only and that the Homicide Detectives would still be assigned Homicides and the Robbery Detectives would still be assigned Robberies. At first this was the case but after a few months the former Robbery Detectives were given murders after murders. What was the sad thing was the line-up for Robbery line-ups were reduced to almost nothing. I asked around and it was almost identical around the city. Here is what I can see what will happen: Robberies would be a after thought. If someone was smart, this person would ask the retired Detectives who lived through this their thoughts on this up coming merger. What new is old and what's old is new
Wait til A/central and A/North Dets get a taste of the 10hr day. This will be “the spot” everyone wants. Unfortunately, if you haven’t been clearing murders this year you won’t have a seat at the table.
I wonder if the rumors of it being a swipe free environment will be the frosting on the cake?
all officers assigned will be interviewed , not only po's assigned to old
they want competent police officers and detectives
Anonymous Anonymous said...
To bad the order don’t jive with the on call compensation that is already in the contract as stand by. Says officer will be compensated for time available to work as time worked. Arbitration ain’t gonna change that.
12/24/2019 06:03:00 AM
You agree to the new compensation structure when you apply for the position. You don't want to work under it, then you don't apply.
Its not the only position within the department that you agree to waive certain contractual stipulations to accept.
Probably need to talk to some guys who were around before Brzeczek screwed things up.
It doesn’t make sense to use 189 to assist the Homicide unit. They do have limited investigatory experience, which is typically more narcotics related. Working on and investigating a homicide investigation is a little different than conducting a narcotics investigation.
Actually, 193 in OCD actually already HAS a couple of “Homicide Teams” that work with and assist detectives in their respective areas. It would seem that these teams would be much more suitable to make the transition to the Homicide unit simply from a standpoint that they already have a working relationship with the detectives, assuming that most of the Homicide dics at the areas go to this new unit. These teams would also already understand how these types of cases tend to unfold.
First and foremost, CANCEL THE DETAILS OF PEOPLE TO OCD.
If you aren’t assigned, sorry, back to the district you go. That right there is 180 bodies immediately back to patrol.
How does it make sense or is it even safe to detail people to 189 or 193 with 4,5,6 years on the job. With 4 years you should maaaybe just be learning enough to start getting to a tact team! 4 years doesn’t give you the necessary experience to step into a unit running more advanced operations. Also cancel the detail of anyone assigned to Gang Enforcement.
A lot of the details last far too long and is nothing more than a way to hide someone with clout in a spot.
If you are going to tackle the merit problem, I think that the problem of people being detailed out goes hand in hand.
How do you choose who gets detailed over someone else?
If I have more activity, why is that guy who’s uncle is a Lieutenant somewhere (bit has less activity than me) getting detailed to an exciting new opportunity for assignment before me?
Either get assigned, or you don’t go. No back door shell games for confusing manpower, and a grey-area of who gets selected and how.
189 I think would be more suitable to assist with the formation of some sort of Tactical Unit that you are talking about than 193. 189 would bring a lot of street-level experience and working knowledge of the day-to-day operations of the more violent neighborhoods with them to the streets.
At that point, you can combine Gang Enforcement and the trimmed-down 189 and make this new Tactical Unit.
Sorry Gun Teams and Sat teams, send you guys back to the districts also.
Wearing uniforms in an unmarked car has always seemed like a silly concept to me, but we already tried the “New York way,” now it’s fine to try the “LA way” and do what they do. I think in the end it will morph into another Mobile Strike Force type of thing, and not necessarily similar to the function of the LA tactical or gang unit.
Section???? Nooo. Robbery Homicide Division is so much better.
So let me get this strait. They are re-opening all of the Areas which are centrally located to improve response times. Detectives assigned to an Area take a special interest in that Area and become familiar with the gangs, other players and crime patterns. This is just how it works. However they think it is a good idea to remove the Robbery/Homicide detectives from the Areas to a central location like Homan Square? Well there go the response times. The on call detective the lives far south could be sent to the 25th Dist which could take hours to get there. Not to mention they may not have any knowledge of the on going gang situation in that area. Makes no scene to me.
The only way some fucker is going to "cooperate" on any investigation ( murder / robbery / whatever the fuck ) is if the fucker knows he is gonna get fucked in court. The only people who get fucked in court now are those cought in undercover busy walks that are recorded on video and audio and that are greater then 126 grams of heroin or crack. Those fuckers will help with the murder investigations. Besides that forget it. You dont walk up to some fucker and buy four and a split of anything. That shit takes time to build up to. If they dont want to do "long term" narcotics investigation all their unit 189 gonna help solve murders crap aint going no where.
It is a flat out violation of the contract:
- work schedule
- call back
- OT and how it is paid (swiping & FLSA)
Working a 10-hr and being called back to handle a murder; you'll never get a day off.
12/24/2019 09:40:00 AM
Slow down Kyoko. The D2A boyz at the FLOP Lozenge 7 are all over it. And even if they ain't, 10-hour daze equals an extra hour for lunch.
Funny, but big city Homicide Dicks, East Coast to West Coast, it all comes down to the quest for the Yellow paper. Ooops, I meant moving the "X."
All the “ Homicide Team “ in 193 does is sit around the area and wait for a Det to throw them a name of some poor sap that’s ready to catch a murder case.
It was Wednesday, December 24th. It was cold in Los Angeles. We were working the Day Watch out of Burglary Division. My partner's Frank Smith. The boss is Captain Barnard. My name's Friday.
That'll be great but gang/narcotics have access to detective supps, but detectives have ZERO access to parallel investigations being done.
More than once detectives have arrived to interview victims/witnesses when their told "we already spoke to detectives"
Detectives then ask them, "Was the detective wearing a shirt and tie like I am or blue jeans and a baseball cap".
Person says, "blue jeans and baseball cap".
There lies the problem, gang intel and narcotics tell people they are detectives which they are not, they interview people without first notifying the assigned detective.
Any information from that interview is not available to the assigned detective, and 9 times out of 10 the assigned detective has to correct the misinformation provided to them by the blue jean police.
I worked gangs for years in a south side district before making detective and at no time did I ever tell them I was a detective, or a narc. I told them I'm a gang investigative police officer working along with your detective...because that was what my veteran sergeant told me to tell them...basically the truth so as not to confuse the investigation .
Never work....north side, west side and south side are completely different worlds.
There is no way in hell that detectives working the entire city would be able to understand the dynamics, gang turmoils, local gang conflicts, drug sales of an area of the city they have never worked.
Having intel and gangs working along with detectives means nothing.
A detective handles a homicide at Jackson and Central and two days later he's at 123rd and State.
There is no way in hell that detective, or team, who mainly worked the area of 55th and Ashland, know what the hell is going on.
Anonymous said...
I'll leave my personal vehicle parked in the area for three days after I pick up my on call car. Huh?
12/24/2019 06:42:00 AM
You could take mass transit for free or take an Uber problem solved detective you are so brilliant that’s why you’re there!
nonymous said...
I have NO doubt that the city will screw this up. Too many BS supervisors in the "D" Unit. This is what was wrong when the Koschman case blew up. These people operate with impunity and act like every thing they say and do is Legit. Even now they are likely interviewing, and acting like they are "the Legit" detective supervisors. Some of them should be nominated for "best actor". From the commander on down. I suggest that they start the unit with supervisors known for leadership, and not who they know. And experience as a Detective would be nice here. The poison here has gone deep. It's gonna take time to bridge the punctures, and suck out all the venom.
And just where are all these "On Call" cars going to come from? The motor pool? Ha! I remember my first detectives pool car needed a jump every time we started it. I brought in a "jump start" battery pack. So we left it running, when it ran. We got to drive it if it didn't have a flat or two. I actually took out my own car on jobs for a while.
Beck....you're not going to be here long enough to really change things, but thanks for trying. This city is an actual train wreck. Anything it touches turns to a steaming pile of dung.
I guess the 10 hour day is staying around for a while. I was hoping that was almost over with. People with the "blessing" will always seem to get the better starting hours. What a horrible implementation that was. A 24 hour day, split into 3 shifts always yields an 8 hour shifts. It's simple math. Overlapping and waiting for cars is unacceptable.
Just my .02
I agree. Supervisors in the D-Unit should not be locked in their position. They didn’t test in anyway. They should be evaluated regularly and made to give an oral summary of their performance monthly at Compstat. Put the commanders, Lt’s and sergeants in the hot seat at compstat. Make them work for it. Make them go out on scenes instead of sitting around answering the phone and watching TV.
Not happening, From in the the know.
Will all you carpet baggers that are trying to run the CPD please stop trying to recreate the wheel and just tweak and improve what has already been working for years?
Chas W Salvatore: I was promoted in late 1977 to the rank of Detective. At the time there were the following units: Homicide/Sex, Robbery, Burglary, Auto Theft, General Assignments. I was assigned to Homicide/Sex. I would watch as the Robbery Detectives would, day in and day out, would bring in robbery suspects for line-ups. The vast majority of time the offender would be identified and charged. Several years later Robbery and Homicide were combined. The unit commander stated that this was a name change only and that the Homicide Detectives would still be assigned Homicides and the Robbery Detectives would still be assigned Robberies. At first this was the case but after a few months the former Robbery Detectives were given murders after murders. What was the sad thing was the line-up for Robbery line-ups were reduced to almost nothing. I asked around and it was almost identical around the city. Here is what I can see what will happen: Robberies would be a after thought. If someone was smart, this person would ask the retired Detectives who lived through this their thoughts on this up coming merger. What new is old and what's old is new
This is 100% true.
Also, when a "heater case" occurred, (police shooting, politician victim, double H, etc) the property dets had to stop wherever they were doing and join the investigation.
"Question: Do black patent leather shoes really reflect up?"
Answer: yes, the penguins said so.
No need for interviews it’s called “reverse seniority!” You can have it.
More of the 'homicide centric' mentality. It's the opposite of the broken windows theory. Been that way for my 20 years as a Det. How's that working out Chicago? Seen NYC results with this method? Didn't think so. Whatever.
ANd one more broken windows post - LAPD may have a great detective division - and this unit may indeed lead to more clearances so for that Kudos, I hope everything works out for the city and for who ever wants to join this unit. But ... the broken windows stuff that was done in NYC aims at reducing homicides, not clearing homicides that have already occurred. So, ya, beef up the D-Unit to clear homicides, but that won't prevent homicides in the first place. To prevent homicides in the first place, the robbery, burglary detectives will need a little love too!. Not gonna happen I know, but we as a city need to put these MFers in prison for robbery and burglary. It's kind of hard to commit a homicide when you are in prison.
Are they saying that if you want to work robbery ( in the areas) that now you have to apply to a NOJO? I thought this was just about a central homicide team? So if you want to work homicide in the area you also have to apply to a NOJO? I am not understanding this.
Yeah record the interviews so everyone in the city can see them on Evidence.co
They are going to need a lot of Sgt’s
RBT Sergeants are the only ones giving presentations at Compstat. And yes they are grilled by Lemmer. I suggest you visit the show. You won't see anyone from HGS there.
Can’t wait to retire ! Enough said
I call BS. Why would you break up the Areas the way they are projected and then add a Central Homicide unit that basically castrates what they are trying to do with Area 4? It would make more sense to bring the Areas back to pre-merge configuration and then implement a Cebtral Homicide Unit. This alleged order also makes no sense on the first page hodgepodging ERI order into a interview process for Central Homicide/Robbery candidates and then the 2nd page doesn’t make mention of Robbery at all! BS
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Never work....north side, west side and south side are completely different worlds.
There is no way in hell that detectives working the entire city would be able to understand the dynamics, gang turmoils, local gang conflicts, drug sales of an area of the city they have never worked.
Having intel and gangs working along with detectives means nothing.
A detective handles a homicide at Jackson and Central and two days later he's at 123rd and State.
There is no way in hell that detective, or team, who mainly worked the area of 55th and Ashland, know what the hell is going on.
12/25/2019 12:24:00 AM
AGREE COMPLETELY. A detective limited to his/her area would make much more sense. It's hard to learn the entire city so why would we even try? It's unnecessary.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Are they saying that if you want to work robbery ( in the areas) that now you have to apply to a NOJO? I thought this was just about a central homicide team? So if you want to work homicide in the area you also have to apply to a NOJO? I am not understanding this.
12/25/2019 11:02:00 AM
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Are they saying the is a central robbery unit too? I can't make heads or tails of this.
Anonymous said...
Chas W Salvatore: I was promoted in late 1977 to the rank of Detective.
And dumped out of the Academy in 1996 by a Detective in sergeant's school who later became Chief of Dicks.
Why on earth would you centralize the Homicide / Robbery Units and put it on the Westside when the whole purpose of reopening the two Areas is so that Southside victims and witnesses won’t have to travel north or west and Westside victims and witnesses won’t have to travel south? If you think the homicide clearance rate is low now, trying getting Southside witnesses to travel west. Furthermore, the Blackspot, I mean Homan Square is a nightmare for some citizens on the south and Westside.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
RBT Sergeants are the only ones giving presentations at Compstat. And yes they are grilled by Lemmer. I suggest you visit the show. You won't see anyone from HGS there.
... and this is where the problem lies. All D-Unit Sergeants should be required to give a monthly presentation. After Lemmer grill everyone, there still is no real accountability. Open the NOJO up to patrol supervisors who were once dicks.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I see the Chief of Detectives needs to sign off on this,my question is has anyone seen Staples? I think she has her head in the sand until Beck is gone so things will go back to normal....
She’s where she’s been the entire time, somewhere daydreaming.
That'll be great but gang/narcotics have access to detective supps, but detectives have ZERO access to parallel investigations being done.
More than once detectives have arrived to interview victims/witnesses when their told "we already spoke to detectives"
Detectives then ask them, "Was the detective wearing a shirt and tie like I am or blue jeans and a baseball cap".
Person says, "blue jeans and baseball cap".
There lies the problem, gang intel and narcotics tell people they are detectives which they are not, they interview people without first notifying the assigned detective.
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I see the DCO program has not come to whatever district you're working yet. All the "ME ME ME" stuff is going away. We will all be working together for the common good. All info will be shared, DCO officers will be writing up Bureau service requests to get all this solved. You just wait and see....! Oh, and the program doesn't effect watch manpower either. ....I've got a bridge out back....
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