Still "No"
Another massive payout coming:
An unauthorized police chase leading to a traffic accident that left a 15-year-old boy unable to walk or speak will likely result in a $45 million settlement with the city — one of the largest in Chicago history.
The proposed payment would go to Nathen Jones, who suffered a “massive traumatic brain injury” in the April 2021 crash, according to the family's attorney.
The reasons don't matter. The justification doesn't matter.
Only the end result is what lawyers and juries are looking at.
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
60 Comments:
Good. Fuck em. Fuckin morons. Fuck loyalty, fuck this place. This job has become a fuckin nightmare. And I only have 20 years on. It was really good at one point. If you’re out there chasing anyone, you need to be hospitalized for a severe mental health problem.
The end result is what everyone is always looking to.
It's the Murphy's Law basis.
Focus on end result only and the trip to it becomes fubarred.
Empathy for the young person's life, forever changed.
The article seems intentionally vague. It does not mention if he has brain wave activity, or if he is on a respirator to breathe.
If someone is brain dead and on a respirator, even traditional Catholic teaching allows that removing the person from the respirator can be an ethically responsible option. This was the situation of Karen Ann Quinlan in the 1970s.
One might cynically wonder why a family would artificially prolong the life of someone who might be in the same circumstance.
The Slum-Times article incorrectly refers to the "murder of George Floyd". St. George of Fentanyl died from a self-induced drug overdose.
Everyone at role call needs to take their Testosterone reducer pill, including some of the broads.
....but isn't it worth it for one..."atta boy, good job"
....pats on the back from merit flunkie as they walk away ...mumbling they never told you.
Lawyers DA getting rope to hang you.
Hand this out for the carjacking team and CST kids , please please listen to us old timers before the dept shoves a big cock up your ass
Those dumb fucks in 009 on first watch won’t learn. The tact LT keeps bailing them out and sucking them off. Someone should look into the tact LT in 009 using a loophole to pull over guys with 2yrs on the job to tact.
45 million, the media said it was a minor traffic violation, any ideas what it really was. I say fight it.
Speaking of-vote NO for Question 1…
I stopped car and foot chasing 20 years ago and let the bad guys get away!
Who knew I was smart and ahead of my time and retiring with 30 years on this job and now going to collect my max pension, while I prepare to move to a nice Red, Right leaning state!
Just say NO!!!!! Let them go!!
Simple concept:you refused to stop for a legal reason YOU are responsible for anything that happens.
You commit a crime with a gun YOU are responsible for what happens during that crime
An unmarked Explorer chasing a car for a traffic offense? Really?
Only thing to chase is tail. And that will end up costing you plenty but no prison.
How much of that does the criminal being chased have to chip in?
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
No reason to jeopardize your career for a CB number. Fuck this city. Give them exactly what they want and that’s no drama or bad press. Get an ESPN + account or Netflix and get paid to watch TV. This is the environment these politicians have created , so don’t feel bad about getting paid 100K a year to watch a few shows a night. You’re sergeant will thank you later.
There are no juries involved in these settlements just some lawyers and Aldermen.
Wake the fuck up! DO NOT CHASE and if you decide to do the opposite, accept the punishment. Maybe suspension, termination or even prison. Chose well!
If that same thing happened in Indiana or any other sane state it would all be on the driver of the fleeing vehicle.
I'd be alright with the payout if they'd place the blame on the courts and prosecutors for not having locked the criminals up when they should have. That would change everything ..
hahahaahaha... my absolute favorite post since the ol' ISPEEEVED / SCC days!
Anonymous said...
Everyone at role call needs to take their Testosterone reducer pill, including some of the broads.
3/15/2024 02:51:00 AM
T. Walker responds -
"I wish you could quit me!"
One of those morons was recently a merit promotion
2-3 year wonders still don't care and we're filled with 70% of them on all watches and units. Vets are looked down upon by the kids now when the vets tell the kids "I wouldn't do that if I were you". Don't worry the bottom of recruitment barrels are plenty. Remember kidos...we have 4-5 different layers of oversight in out dept alone, then you have Cook County, Feds and Universities pro prisoner agendas. 19B,19E, 19P covers all for 29 and 1 day. Keep the ribbon.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Good. Fuck em. Fuckin morons. Fuck loyalty, fuck this place. This job has become a fuckin nightmare. And I only have 20 years on. It was really good at one point. If you’re out there chasing anyone, you need to be hospitalized for a severe mental health problem.
3/15/2024 12:16:00 AM
It is not just the job that is a nightmare. Policies like this have given the criminals the upper hand. Leftist social justice warriors “communists” have turned this country upside down. The sad thing is that they have gained control through election theft. Bathhouses Barry wasn’t kidding when he said he was going to “fundamentally change” our country.
Your Supervisor did a CR against you, but hope the ribbon reminds you why you lateraled to another dept or quit LE in general. You weren't cut out for this, you guys didn't get it in CPD. The dept will shove a big fat blue dildo up your 2 year wonder orifice.
"The lawsuit names police Officer Jhonathan Perez as the unmarked police car’s driver and Officers Andrew Pang and Eulalio Rodriguez as passengers"
Pretty funny that these snow flakes are scared to put hands on someone to arrest them because they are afraid of getting in trouble yet still chase them in a car. City wide car jacking teams will be the next SOS scandal with the way the operate WATCH!
Read the article. It looks like the driver has a pattern of bad decisions. The most terrifying part of our job is being a passenger in a squad driven by an asshole. In the 90's I took a traffic car rather than sit shotgun to a goof.
This is painfully thin on relevant info.
Was the injured kid
A) The one fleeing?
B) A passenger in the fleeing vehicle?
C) Just an unlucky shlub that was in the wrong place at the wrong time and got clobbered?
If the answer is 'A', fuck him.
If it's 'B', I have only slightly more sympathy (but not $45mil worth).
If it's 'C', my heart goes out to him and his family. I don't have much of a problem with both drivers (perp & cop) getting hung out to dry.
Most of the morons still chasing do it for one reason: ego. There are still a few who chase because they legitimately want to catch a bad guy, but 99% do it to pitied their fragile ego. How dare this person not pull over for me! I'm the police! I'll show him! Well, all-star, he's not pulling over because he doesn't have to anymore. The department, city, county, state, and country have all agreed they would rather let him get away than be stopped from committing crimes. Even if you catch him, he'll be out to do it again, while you jeopardize your safety, career, financial wellbeing, and freedom, every time you decide to chase for any reason. If someone shoots at you or your fellow officers, go ahead and chase. But remember to terminate when the order says you must, or it won't matter why you chased. There are very few chases that shouldn't be self-terminated according to the order. You won't be saved just because a supervisor didn't terminate. Don't chase for any other reason, unless you care about the crime committed more than you care about yourself. Learn to let things go, even crimes like fleeing from the police, in order to protect yourself. I wish every criminal who flees from the police could be caught, or better yet, was killed in a fiery crash that only harms them. I wish people would pull over when the police try to stop them. That's not what happens anymore. They know they can run and get away 99% of the time. The only ones at risk are the police and anyone unlucky enough to be in the path of the fleeing vehicle. Get your ego in check and wave as they drive off. It's not right, but it's the only way to minimize your chance of being the next headline.
At 0:739, Illinois is not a sane state, everything they do here it to the benefit of the lowest common denominator. At least Indiana cops can do their jobs, they always flee to chicago - I wonder why?
Doesn’t matter what happens in Indiana, we are not in Indiana. If the CPD says no chases. then don’t chase. Hard to stomach sometimes but better to protect your, family, job and pension
One reader said they say it was for a traffic, what was it really for. The initial stop was for traffic we will never know
Not commenting about this case specifically but, in general, the city never fights any of these lawsuits. If they started actually using their lawyers to push back, the ambulance chasers would probably look for easier scams. As it stands, the ambulance chasers just have to say they're going to sue and the city puts a settlement check in the mail the next day.
Sorry, will not be buying a ticket to their benefit.
Standing policy of mine for the last decade.
Everyone knows not to chase.
Unless there’s some crazy extenuating circumstances, you knew you are fucking up- and chose to fuck up.
Your ego got the best of you. Good luck with that.
Back in the day we had bosses real boss is not the clown. Sure we have now that would Back us up but then again we also had a states attorney, that was for the people that helped the innocent people as opposed to today we have a piece of shit states attorney, that is for the criminals against the police against law abiding. It’s a new day the millennials will not learn until they are financially drained, and then put in prison. The jungle the animals are the same just now they have more freedom to do whatever they want don’t get involved be a spectator, not part of the shell. The only thing to protect is your neighborhood where you live, your family, your friends, the animals that’s why we have the morgues ready to go.
Anyone know anything about this new 2nd in command Hein guy? They are all the same after all.
The lawyers always go for the deep pockets. The fact that the criminals flee at high speed, run stop signs and lights, seems to mean nothing. The twisted lawyer logic is that the thug would not be fleeing at high speed if the cops were not chasing. But, chasing someone in an unmarked police vehicle is the height of stupidity.
Those dumb fucks in 009 on first watch won’t learn. The tact LT keeps bailing them out and sucking them off. Someone should look into the tact LT in 009 using a loophole to pull over guys with 2yrs on the job to tact.
3/15/2024 03:58:00 AM
We get it you want to be on tact and you’re jealous they will go before you
Good. Fuck em. Fuckin morons. Fuck loyalty, fuck this place. This job has become a fuckin nightmare. And I only have 20 years on. It was really good at one point. If you’re out there chasing anyone, you need to be hospitalized for a severe mental health problem.
Couldn’t agree more, but then you have goofs like 9 guy who already has two fatalities yet they continue giving this good a car for guns, guns guns.
"Smile and wave" That's the official chase policy. Learn it. Love it. Live it.
You say no. But can we pursue legally? Yes. Can we pursue as part of our policy? Yes. Can we pursue a vehicle for just traffic and not call it in until after the accident? No, no we can not. What you should be saying, is that if you are going to pursue, have ICC and BWC rolling, make sure it is for an offense that our order says we can pursue for and make immediate notification of the attempt to pursue to OEMC who will then notify a supervisor. Bingo… you have done your job. You are within policy so far. Know your policy and save your ass. If they crash and you adhere then you will be ok. You may still get sued, but you will be covered. I’ve been in two fatal pursuits in my career. The first was NOT within department policy and ended in a large pay out. The 2nd was within policy and lasted 14 minutes but we were within policy. We were found in compliance by the department and we were cleared in a lawsuit before trial during summary judgement. If you’re going to pursue, be within policy. Sometimes it’s just that simple.
Anyone know anything about this new 2nd in command Hein guy? They are all the same after all.
3/15/2024 03:54:00 PM
Since they are all the same, afterall, your query is mooted by itself.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Those dumb fucks in 009 on first watch won’t learn. The tact LT keeps bailing them out and sucking them off. Someone should look into the tact LT in 009 using a loophole to pull over guys with 2yrs on the job to tact.
3/15/2024 03:58:00 AM
The Tact LT in 009 is a fucking stroke.
He couldn’t find a bad guy at 26th & Cal. However, he does know how to fill out an OT slip correctly, and then some…
Anyone “smart” wouldn’t want to go to a Tact Team these days. Unless it’s some chump with less than 5 years on.
If they’re not smart enough to stay away from that bullshit, they get what they deserve.
yep,,, you cannot chase the criminals, but, if you are a black off duty sergeant then you can shoot a black kid with autism and no weapon walking away from you.
Following policy doesn't mean you're safe from consequences. I remember seeing in-car camera footage from an incident that resulted in a fatal crash. Police tried to pull over a car. Car took off. Police did not pursue. Car immediately ran a stop sign and crashed. That one didn't work out for the police, who had only tried to pull over the car. Yes, the policy still allows chases. Yes, you can chase and have everything work out great. However, the chances anything goes a little sideways, or you forget one little part of that policy, or someone gets killed even when you complied perfectly with the policy, are still there. No reason to take those chances now, except for very limited circumstances. Most of the chases are for stolen cars or robbery/gun offenders. The rest are for drugs or traffic nonsense. And none of those are good enough reasons to take the chance. I wish the police could chase everyone and it would all work out. I wish we had spike strips and pit maneuvers and boxing in and shooting out the tires... anything to stop the criminals from winning. That's not gonna happen though. The hard chargers need to accustom themselves with the new reality. Bad guys will get away. Crime will continue to rise. Do what you can to stop criminals without the city deciding you're worse than those criminals for trying to do your job.
Hein is a good guy, and I think he will do a good job.
Anonymous said...
Anyone know anything about this new 2nd in command Hein guy? They are all the same after all.
3/15/2024 03:54:00 PM
Since they are all the same, afterall, your query is mooted by itself.
Was hoping someone other than his personal driver would respond.
Everyone at role call needs to take their Testosterone reducer pill, including some of the broads.
3/15/2024 02:51:00 AM
T. Walker responds -
"I wish you could quit me!"
3/15/2024 08:41:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
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True! Fake and phony wanna be and hating herself. F U cockblocking t wanna be w
To make it clearer for those who chase, a large portion of the settlement needs to be garnished from their paychecks for the next 20 years or so, then it may sink in. That ribbon or that honorable will not help you when you’re out on bail awaiting trial. Make an example of them.
HQ called me asking if i was deferring the SGT promotion again, they said this will be the last class off of this list.
Good. Fuck em. Fuckin morons. Fuck loyalty, fuck this place. This job has become a fuckin nightmare. And I only have 20 years on. It was really good at one point. If you’re out there chasing anyone, you need to be hospitalized for a severe mental health problem.
3/15/2024 12:16:00 AM
Wowww. Take it easy stroke. You’ve gotta be a 376er with that attitude. If not then you must be misery to live with. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say divorced. If not you must be a pleasure. If your on second watch with 20 years on you can’t hate it that much.. 2nd watch driving around 99 is one of the best.. this career is actually tolerable now that I ride alone and have a straight day bid spot. I’m my own man. Something tells me you’re stripped, already fired or you’re one of the miserable on 3rd watch with 20 years even though you can make the bid for days. You have 20.. leave.. please leave. Nobody wants a crybaby like yourself around.. and if you’ve already been escorted out of the department then good riddens.
who was driving the car that the kid was in? any consequences there...?
AND STOP CHASING.
Was hoping someone other than his personal driver would respond.
3/15/2024 06:09:00 PM
Like who?
Hein is a good guy, and I think he will do a good job
Signed Hein….
Was the injured kid
A) The one fleeing?
B) A passenger in the fleeing vehicle?
C) Just an unlucky shlub that was in the wrong place at the wrong time and got clobbered?
Read the story. The answer is B.
Dimbulb got his head mashed because he wasn’t wearing a seatbelt.
Which one of the three tact guys is currently facing separation from a domestic incident in which he “allegedly” hit his old lady and broke a bone in her face? He the only one out of the three who is not still getting paid by the department.
Anonymous said...
Anyone know anything about this new 2nd in command Hein guy? They are all the same after all.
3/15/2024 03:54:00 PM
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Chief of Patrol is NOT second in command.
Don't say perp.
"Anonymous said...
Not commenting about this case specifically but, in general, the city never fights any of these lawsuits. If they started actually using their lawyers to push back, the ambulance chasers would probably look for easier scams. As it stands, the ambulance chasers just have to say they're going to sue and the city puts a settlement check in the mail the next day.
3/15/2024 12:43:00 PM"
I think under Weiss the department (Corp Counsel) began fighting the lawsuits and the kick back money from the attorneys to the politicians dried up.
It's all a scam and money laundering.
Majority of the politicians, judges, and lawyers are corrupt and belong in jail.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You say no. But can we pursue legally? Yes. Can we pursue as part of our policy? Yes. Can we pursue a vehicle for just traffic and not call it in until after the accident? No, no we can not. What you should be saying, is that if you are going to pursue, have ICC and BWC rolling, make sure it is for an offense that our order says we can pursue for and make immediate notification of the attempt to pursue to OEMC who will then notify a supervisor. Bingo… you have done your job. You are within policy so far. Know your policy and save your ass. If they crash and you adhere then you will be ok. You may still get sued, but you will be covered. I’ve been in two fatal pursuits in my career. The first was NOT within department policy and ended in a large pay out. The 2nd was within policy and lasted 14 minutes but we were within policy. We were found in compliance by the department and we were cleared in a lawsuit before trial during summary judgement. If you’re going to pursue, be within policy. Sometimes it’s just that simple.
3/15/2024 05:26:00 PM
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good answer all this "NO" shit is getting me confused. I'd rather hear the official policy.
That being said, I'm still not chasing.
good answer all this "NO" shit is getting me confused. I'd rather hear the official policy.
That being said, I'm still not chasing.
3/17/2024 05:57:00 AM
You're joking, right? You're confused and would rather hear the official policy? Go fucking read it. If you ever plan on pulling over anyone for any reason, read the pursuit policy and all related policies. Pretend you're studying for the sergeant's test or something, since you're acting like you'd have no reason to ever read it. Too many people don't know the orders they choose to violate on an almost daily basis. Then they're shocked and pissed when some "mean boss" spars them for their Hollywood chase. The official policy absolutely allows chases, but it also very specifically outlines when those chases must be terminated and all the prohibitions and rules for the chasing vehicle. It also points out the vague "balancing test," where there are no official guidelines, but you should know better when you cross the imaginary line. It's written to make chases not be completely prohibited, while leaving the door open to take disciplinary action against anyone who chases, regardless of how closely they think they followed the order. That's why SCC released this very helpful graphic of what the order actually means. Don't chase unless it's worth your job, your financial wellbeing, your freedom, and any lives that could be taken by the outcome of that chase. You'll be the bad guy every time.
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