ISP to Investigate?
From the comments:
- ...right from the 5th floor.
ISP is going to be taking over all CPD OIS investigations. details are being worked out but the sticking points are transparency, timelines and the big one is the cost. ISP does not want to but we are going to pay them millions to do it. word will come down before the end of the year.
This would make sense, having qualified investigators handling Officer Involved Shootings instead of political hacks with axes to grind
Anyone from ISP care to confirm?
Based on the post just below this one, an outside agency is the only way to have a legit investigation.
Labels: rumors
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
80 Comments:
Should be state law. ISP investigates. Tell COPA to fuck off.
Even if this happens, I'm sure COPA will still do their part to find any so-called wrongdoing and try to get everyone fired and charged. This shithole city needs its "independent" and "civilian" oversight of the horrible police. They don't care how biased and unqualified that oversight group is, as long as they're not the police.
???CPD already has IRT people.
It’s cute that you think COPA won’t investigate as well.
Wonder what use of force model they’ll be using. Snelling’s Hug a Thug model or the ISP model?
I am IA for the state and by no means this rumor is true. Whoever is the hack feeding you this rumor is a joke
I hope this is true and, if so that’s a smart move by Brandon Johnson. He will earn a lot of respect from officers who don’t like him.
Just goes to show how corrupt city government, and civilian office of police accountability are. And just for the hell of it, I’m going to include the media in that group too.
Fake news. They've talked about this every year for the last 6 or 7 years. ISP wants too much money.
Lawsuits and laws I say it again. These shitbags in these made up civilian agencies and hacks have no power to grind the axe now in court, knowing the judges look up the existing state laws of a police shooting and they probably are saying "How can you determine a police shooting when you're not the state police nor have any law enforcement experience to make a decision like this?" Just a matter of time for COPA to disband itself or blend in with BIA.
Off duty P.O. just killed
Yo, I am wondering what's your take on the new DA? Think she's better than the old ones and also better that the lobbyist who runs against her.
Will be able to hear the libtards scream 550 miles away.
Uncharacteristically brilliant move by conehead if true. Shift all the blame. Let ISP take all the fucking heat. Let the commie mob attack ISP when they find all the altar boys at fault.
They will need to change the state law. What are the odds of that happening?
Defund and abolish COPA. We do not need civilian oversight.
So is ISP. Trustworthy? Just asking.
This subject was talked about at the last FOP meeting . This could be a good possibility
I work part time in a suburb, and when we have a OIS the Illinois State Police Public Integrity Unit handles the incident from beginning to end. They are very professional and understand the process. A lot better than having Lincoln Park left wing loons doing it.
Not so fast. ISP became a proving ground for affirmative action in the 1970’s and well before there was ever a “1100 Club” and remains so today. The ISP is now and always was four wheeled cash registers. So imagine having a team of Snellings who never should have been hired, and never passed a promotional exam responding to a Chicago Police shooting.
Let's see here:
City police under city executive branch
County sheriff under county executive branch
State police under state executive branch
Commonality?
Government executive branch.
Further commonality?
Elected.
Further commonality?
Politicians.
So, what difference can it make?
The ISP’s investigations of OIS’s in the suburbs always appear to be thorough and well-done. If this comes to pass, I would see it as a big improvement for CPD.
But as an outsider to both agencies, I really doubt that ISP will be willing to do this.
Will fetass keep his shit licking fingers from tampering with investigators?
ISP is going to be taking over all CPD OIS investigations. details are being worked out but the sticking points are transparency, timelines and the big one is the cost. ISP does not want to but we are going to pay them millions to do it. word will come down before the end of the year.
In between JB Lizzo's food runs of course.
The Libs are going to hate this because now a copper gets a true & fair investigation, the Libs can't spin it their way. FJB both of them
OT Officer wounded over night
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2024/04/21/chicago-police-officer-shot-critically-wounded-on-southwest-side-authorities
It sounds like a great idea.
I think it’s due to the public integrity taskforce stuff statewide? It makes sense, but I’d assume there will also be criteria for us to handle it. As long as it’s not ours for any simple use of force (hands on, resisting, etc), that would be a lot from you guys on the daily basis ha! We shall see.
Good, that means COPA is no longer needed and can get pink slipped and stand in the soup line with the rest of the useless mutts.
Most, if not all downstate agencies, have ISP handle OIS.
Goodbye COPA!!!!
Sounds like they’ll replace IRT not COPA. That agency will continue to exist and the same situations we’re currently in will
Happen with them.
O.T. Belongs up there with that POS DeNiro.
https://bleedingcool.com/tv/reacher-alan-ritchson-calls-out-police-union-pushes-back-on-insults/
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So is ISP. Trustworthy? Just asking.
4/21/2024 06:32:00 AM
For the most part, yes, a LOT of hard-working good people that want to have the fairest case possible. I'll gladly say that for anyone I work with, though yes, we have our bad apples, I'd say when it comes to doing the job, it'll be by policy....... granted we might have to ding you on if you assumed someone's gender or whatever absolutely ridiculous progressive training shoved down our throats lolol
TO: Wonder what use of force model they’ll be using. Snelling’s Hug a Thug model or the ISP model?
Ummmm, state law. ISP will not care about our internal policies and procedures, only what the State Use of Force is, just like they do with the Suburbs
Off subject, Chicago voted most walkable city for tourists, yes you will do a lot of walking after your carjacked.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/study-ranks-chicago-as-most-walkable-city-in-america-for-tourists/3416132/
No chance. ISP is shorthanded. Their last 3 academy classes graduated a total of like a dozen troopers. Nice guys but aren’t prepared or staffed to handle.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am IA for the state and by no means this rumor is true. Whoever is the hack feeding you this rumor is a joke
4/21/2024 12:40:00 AM
State has DII not IA.
Last time this was talked to with ISP the deal was CPD would take back all of the e-way in the city limits. Rahm then Lightfoot said no way. Don't know if that condition is still there as that was 4-5 years ago.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They will need to change the state law. What are the odds of that happening?
Defund and abolish COPA. We do not need civilian oversight.
4/21/2024 06:21:00 AM
State law is that only a certified law enforcement officer will handle/investigate a police shooting,,,, it is Chicago politicians that wrote a city ordinance (not law) that they will hire a civilian agency to investigate Chicago (and Chicago only) police shootings.
Heard from a friend.
We do have some excellent battle tested (ISP) Special Agents who will do the right thing.
Great deal of pushback by Democratic Socialists, the Community, Revruns, Media, CTU, Liberals, corrupted City Council, Conehead, and other anti-police hacks. Losing control of the local narrative and the loss of the ability to manipulate, deceive, deny and smear is too much. COPA and their Chief Propagandist and Weasel - Andrea Kirsten (never forget her name), will fight this tooth and nail.
This type of political power and control was hard fought and carry's significant ability to create and maintain the illusion of wrongdoing and anti-police rhetoric in the low information voter's mind. This is similar to Joe Goebbels and his hateful propaganda machine controlling the German population during the 1930's. The big Lie continues to thrive in Murder City.
To abdicate this kind of local political power over of the anti-police movement to an outside police organization is unthinkable. Evan if ISP, who works under the thumb of the Fat Ass Hog - the Govenor, it won't be allowed. They will never release their "illegal choke hold" over CPD. Chicago is totally corrupt down to its DNA and it's not ready for a transfusion. No one of importance in this city supports change of any kind that would minimize the status quo.
I work part time in a suburb, and when we have a OIS the Illinois State Police Public Integrity Unit handles the incident from beginning to end. They are very professional and understand the process. A lot better than having Lincoln Park left wing loons doing it.
Except here, copa will still exist and only IRT will be replaced by COPA.
Disband COPA, incompetents,many are Police haters. A police officer is shot,offender tried to shoot four other officers.
What’s response from head of COPA, what was reason for traffic stop,Did officers violate any administrative policies,rules,regulations.
Talk about a perfect example of hatred toward police.
COPA is an independent agency? Check cellphone records between copa and mayors office.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yo, I am wondering what's your take on the new DA? Think she's better than the old ones and also better that the lobbyist who runs against her.
4/21/2024 04:47:00 AM
What new DA?????? What's a DA?
Like previously posted this idea a joint task force w IRT and ISP has been kicked around for years. ISP does not have the manpower or the desire to handle the amount of city OIS. That end of the investigation would be for charging purposes. COPA would still do the administrative process. COPA is only the primary investigative agency in fatal OIS. They present their investigation to the CCSAO who determines if charges are warranted. COPA then does the admin investigation to determine if the officer followed Dept. orders. It is a totally bs way to do things.
I'm sorry to say...ISP is a politically run organization as much as CPD, maybe even more so. Now Governor Cheez burger has his fat fingers in the pie. (And the cake!)
But it makes sense that the police shootings are investigated by a law enforcement organization. That won't satisfy everyone though. There will be naysayers who think civilians are up to the task. I agree SCC. At least ISP is less likely to have an axe to grind.
You can't win on this one...I remain skeptical for now.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Yo, I am wondering what's your take on the new DA? Think she's better than the old ones and also better that the lobbyist who runs against her.
4/21/2024 04:47:00 AM
New DA? If you're talking about Cook County, and mis-naming the position, you might want to wait until the election is over.
Yo, I am wondering what's your take on the new DA? Think she's better than the old ones and also better that the lobbyist who runs against her.
4/21/2024 04:47:00 AM
Yo, we don't have a DA. Which online news site do you write for? Your cluelessness and writing style strongly suggest you're one of these new "reporters."
OT: HB 5211 is fucking wild. Just read it. Tier 2 cops would be royally fucked.
(1) has attained age 62, has at least 35 years of service credit, and is otherwise eligible under the requirements of the applicable Article; (2) has attained age 64, has at least 20 years of service credit, and is otherwise eligible under the requirements of the applicable Article; or (3) has attained age 67, has at least 10 years of service credit, and is otherwise eligible under the requirements of the applicable Article.
Let ISP stick to the tollways and expressways where they belong.
Frightening at times, most of the time that is with the way people drive.
At least they can chase without the headaches we have.
It makes sense to have an outside agency do the investigation. They do it in the phoenix area and it works well
The truth is that it is the law that an agency cannot investigate itself for its own OIS. It has to be an outside agency.
No outside agency has the resources or the will to involve itself itself with CPD BS.
Our IRT investigates everything up until the moment our officer pulls the trigger.
I still don't understand how COPA gets to investigate the shooting but all the lawmakers and the Illinois attorney General look the other way.
ISP reportedly hired their first transgender trooper, so there's that
I worked for the state. Its even more corrupt and political then Chicago is. You think fat ass is going to take the heat because a Chicago cop wasted another aspiring rapper with a grade school graduation picture ?
Sounds like this would be a good thing for cops and a bad thing for the race-grifting crowd.
So it cannot be true.
If true the defunding and dismantling of COPA can begin. Andrea, don’t let the door hit you on your way out.
Will not happen. They have zero manpower. None.
Cops are so easily tricked. COPA isn't going anywhere and that's the sad truth. Still out there working, then you deserve everything that comes with a COPA witch hunt. Turn on BWC, cut paper, take your one personal, take that 30 minute lunch and go home to the family knowing you did nothing to incur the COPA beat down.
Off topic, everyone’s favorite goof from 94-7D is now a Chief.
"...shall not exceed the Social Security wage base for the applicable plan year" from HB5211. In other words, you get a non-portable social security. This is worse then social security. When is the massive pay increase going to take effect to make up for this change, the lack of employee stock options, profit sharing, no ability to work from home, etc. Soon they are going to have to hire H1B Visas for this job.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm sorry to say...ISP is a politically run organization as much as CPD, maybe even more so. Now Governor Cheez burger has his fat fingers in the pie. (And the cake!)
But it makes sense that the police shootings are investigated by a law enforcement organization. That won't satisfy everyone though. There will be naysayers who think civilians are up to the task. I agree SCC. At least ISP is less likely to have an axe to grind.
You can't win on this one...I remain skeptical for now.
4/21/2024 11:08:00 AM
Very true. The same ISP who's internal investigators missed all the George Ryan and Blago red flags.
But aren’t ISP just political hacks for Gov. Pigster ?
ISP reportedly hired their first transgender trooper, so there's that
4/21/2024 02:15:00 PM
Which anatomical gender?
Yo, I am wondering what's your take on the new DA? Think she's better than the old ones and also better that the lobbyist who runs against her.
4/21/2024 04:47:00 AM
Yo, we don't have a DA. Which online news site do you write for? Your cluelessness and writing style strongly suggest you're one of these new "reporters."
4/21/2024 11:18:00 AM
Now, now, now.
Let's not be rude to the curiosity of an inquiring middle schooler's budding adolescent mind.
Conversations being unknown to these young ones not experienced via text/internet means.
Let us chit chat a bit, with this fresh off the tit, young inquisitive.
Be kind, be gentle, be kinda gentle, they are such delicate creatures of this new century.
With dull razor sharp perceptive skills, they will reliably slice, dice and butcher their own minds thoroughly enough, no need to slap the bitch out of them this early in their attendence of the school of hard knocks, aka, real life.
Let's not be rude to the curiosity of an inquiring middle schooler's budding adolescent mind.
Conversations being unknown to these young ones not experienced via text/internet means.
Let us chit chat a bit, with this fresh off the tit, young inquisitive.
Be kind, be gentle, be kinda gentle, they are such delicate creatures of this new century.
With dull razor sharp perceptive skills, they will reliably slice, dice and butcher their own minds thoroughly enough, no need to slap the bitch out of them this early in their attendence of the school of hard knocks, aka, real life.
^^^^^^
Well played my friend. Well played
ISP is going to take over investigating the shootings from IRT. Copa is STILL going to be involved. State law prohibits us investigating our own shootings which is why IRT is giving them up
Yo, we don't have a DA. Which online news site do you write for? Your cluelessness and writing style strongly suggest you're one of these new "reporters."
4/21/2024 11:18:00 AM
Now, now, now.
Let's not be rude to the curiosity of an inquiring middle schooler's budding adolescent mind.
Conversations being unknown to these young ones not experienced via text/internet means.
Let us chit chat a bit, with this fresh off the tit, young inquisitive.
Be kind, be gentle, be kinda gentle, they are such delicate creatures of this new century.
With dull razor sharp perceptive skills, they will reliably slice, dice and butcher their own minds thoroughly enough, no need to slap the bitch out of them this early in their attendence of the school of hard knocks, aka, real life.
$$$
You can fuck off, too!
What's a DA? Duck's Ass.
As we know, COPA members have no law enforcement experience or investigative powers/training.
I believe there was ruling somewhere that proclaimed they are operating out of the scope of municipal and state law, so why should ANY of their findings be credible and accepted by CPD?
They should be boycotted or something, a Sworn Chicago Police Officer should not have to follow orders from a civilian under ANY circumstances. I realize this is all wishful thinking but I hope you all get where I'm going with this.
There has to be a way to legally negate COPA, especially after what that Kirsten bim just did.
Blogger DLH2020 said...
ISP reportedly hired their first transgender trooper, so there's that
We've had them for decades, just didn't know what to call them.
I’ve always said make a cook county integrity task force made up of detectives from all over cook county. If a shooting occurs in your city, nobody from that agency is allowed to be part of the investigation. That’s how they do it in Boone/winnebago county.
You can fuck off, too!
4/21/2024 11:31:00 PM
Much appreciate you not offering to give me a hand.
https://redstate.com/jeffc/2024/04/22/brooklyn-man-convicted-over-gun-hobby-by-biased-ny-court-could-be-facing-harsh-sentence-n2173162
Not all Dexter's are assholes.
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
ISP reportedly hired their first transgender trooper, so there's that
4/21/2024 02:15:00 PM
Which anatomical gender?"
Buddy said biological female from his source, identifying as male. Academy staff all super nervous about it (rightly so?). I'm told she (he?) is crushing the requirements, so that's good to hear as opposed to someone just trying some easy street scam? Again, all third party. Makes you think, what about the actual males and females, how do they not feel SUPER weird or awkward about it? Kind of a lose-lose, if you try to setup something special for privacy, you're catering. If you don't, you get sued. I mean, yikes folks, I'm sorry and I wish we had more mental health help, but come on... what's next, someone identifying as a cat?
If the state does take it, which I doubt will happen, the mob will have to travel to State Police station in Des Plaines to stage the typical protest. To much work for them so no protests..lol
Buddy said biological female from his source, identifying as male. Academy staff all super nervous about it (rightly so?). I'm told she (he?) is crushing the requirements, so that's good to hear as opposed to someone just trying some easy street scam? Again, all third party. Makes you think, what about the actual males and females, how do they not feel SUPER weird or awkward about it? Kind of a lose-lose, if you try to setup something special for privacy, you're catering. If you don't, you get sued. I mean, yikes folks, I'm sorry and I wish we had more mental health help, but come on... what's next, someone identifying as a cat?
4/22/2024 06:15:00 PM
Okay then.
So, apart from this one wielding a wicked strap-on, just how practically weird feeling are the boner bearing fellow officers gonna be?
Sensitive creatures that they are, discomforted by what, precisely?
A dude without a dick enviously eye balling their natural junk?
Surely not.
The likely remote possibility of those having the capability of popping a boner doing so, in the presence of a fellow officer? And what, she/he snickers? And the vapors thusly ensue?
Sheesh, show a little backbone, will ya!?!!?!??
We've had them for decades, just didn't know what to call them.
4/22/2024 08:37:00 AM
Just don't call them Shirley.
So who’s going to investigate ISP shootings?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So who’s going to investigate ISP shootings?
4/23/2024 09:37:00 AM
Why, the feds of course! ;) ...... kidding, probably some taskforce so it's above board like everything else. Or, I'm wrong, and it's ISP investigating. No idea.
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