Good Point
ShotSpotter still wants to be in Chicago, so it's got to be a lucrative contract:
The “very small but loud” movement to get rid of ShotSpotter is the “first cousin of defund the police,” the company CEO said Tuesday.
On the eve of a Chicago City Council showdown, Ralph Clark argued that “people will die” if Mayor Brandon Johnson is allowed to follow through on his promise to cancel the controversial gunshot detection technology contract on Nov. 22.
“If you have ongoing, chronic gunfire where there are gunshot wound victims and 80 to 90 percent of the time there’s not a 911 call, police and first responders aren’t gonna be able to get to those victims,” Clark, CEO of SoundThinking, formerly known as ShotSpotter, told the Sun-Times.
“Sometimes you have gunshot victims that are bleeding out. ... We know that time is literally tissue. It’s really important that you get first-responders there very quickly to be able to save lives.”
A proposal scheduled for a Council vote Wednesday would give Council members power over ShotSpotter in their wards by requiring the mayor to obtain approval from the full Council before eliminating the technology in a ward where the local alderperson wants to keep it.
Of course, the usual "progressives" fall back on their tired old saw - racism:
Freddy Martinez, executive director of the Lucy Parsons Project, is a leader of the movement to get rid of ShotSpotter on grounds that it is too costly, ineffective and contributes to overpolicing in Black and Brown communities where the majority of gun violence occurs.
Martinez on Tuesday accused Clark of “attempting to discredit reasonable conclusions drawn by many groups and trying to pin that on ‘defund the police.’”
Martinez dismissed as “scaremongering” Clark’s claim that people will die if his company’s contract is canceled.
“We have seen people falsely arrested and killed because of ShotSpotter alerts,” Martinez said, apparently referring to the police shooting of 13-year-old Adam Toledo in March 2021.
You mean "lil Homicide"? who had a gun, who had just been shooting at passing cars, who can be seen on video running with a gun and whose corpse tested positive for gunshot residue. That seems like a ShotSpotter Success Story.
And hey Fred, could you tell us exactly where something like 95% of the "shots fired" calls come from? And what percentage of the people actually shot are of a minority persuasion?
That's not "over-policing." That's going where the crime is. Moron.
Labels: city politics
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
72 Comments:
Fuck the ghettos.
Just sit in the lot and respond to jobs like the fire department.
Ride 3 cars deep to protect one another. 19-Paul.
FUCK 'EM .. let Shit-cago burn.
And remember: 19 August to 22 August: M-E-D-I-C-A-L
Well maybe its time to re-distribute police manpower and put them back in the districts that are now being over run by crime. If its racist to over police the black and brown areas then lets make it more fair to all of the city
The Lucy Parsons Lab also wants to get rid of you. Don’t forget they keep files and photos on you the police.
Have the number of persons shot or shots fired increased or decreased since the adoption of shot spotter in Chicago? Until the underlying causes (no effective prosecution, truth in sentencing, barbaric culture, etc…) are addressed shotspotter, on a societal level which is what a government should be working on, is a waste of money.
One of two agendas:
1. Liberals need a high body count to push the gun control message. Without a high body count there can be no call for gun control, that would result in banning weapons and firearm registration.
2. The Marxists in the City Council and those Marxists chairing community groups are on the take from gangs or Soros’ NGOs.
Of course when their kin is shot dead there is never a call to enforce laws and incarcerate offenders. They just repeat the old tired mantra “it’s the fault of guns” and “they must be banned”.
Stupid conniving people.
There's zero chance that 80-90 percent of gunshot wound incidents don't result in a 911 call. I don't even think saying 80-90 percent of shots fired incidents don't result in a 911 call would be accurate. You can tell when someone's making up numbers when they have a 10 percent range in their numbers. They're saying that 80-90 percent of the time a person is actually shot and wounded, no 911 call is made. That's absolutely ridiculous and untrue. It's also impossible to gather the numbers to make it true. Are they polling all unknown gunshot wound victims to see if anyone they know called 911? How did they find these unreported victims? If their fake numbers were true, Chicago is underreporting their gunshot victims by about 80-90%. I think they could make a case for shotspotter without completely fabricated numbers, but why not make them up if no one is going to call you on it? As for the racism argument, maybe shotspotter wouldn't seem so racist if the black and brown people doing all of the shooting would stop doing all of the shooting. How many times do we need the same illogical argument that policing and its tools and technology unfairly target black and brown people, when it's simply because black and brown people happen to commit the overwhelming majority of crime, which tends to lead to police encounters? If I drive my car into the lake, it's not being unfairly filled with water because of the color of the car. It's because I drove it into the water. Committing crimes causes the police to get involved, regardless of your skin color. It just so happens that people of certain skin colors commit more crimes, like vastly more crimes. Shotspotter is placed in areas where shots fired incidents occur most frequently. For some crazy reason, those areas just happen to be in black and brown neighborhoods. Weird, isn't it?
Stop saying "shooting at passing cars" it's minimizing the reality of shooting at human beings in the cars.
I say good riddance, it’s not worth your life, freedom, metal health, and reputation responding quickly to shots fired. These folks don’t want you in their community and don’t want you making arrests. The writing has been on the wall for years. Don’t get bamboozled by your ego “getting guns” thinking it will get you a promotion or into a unit.
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Chicago is done! The Democrats destroyed it and want it to go under faster. Shotspotter is just taking away a tool away from the police that can help them do a better job. They have been talking away everything from police.
The Great Unwashed Democrat Welfare Voters don't like anything that impedes their gang and drug trades.
The indicators of any area being a bit over-policed are:
Mover traps, like the one article here recently, which stimulated a flood of comments, both positive and negative, concerning both the beat spider and the reaction of a citizen to being bitten.
A vibrant business being done on the sales of NoDoze, for the local bodegas.
A rapid response to even the most piddly assed, mickey mouse dispatched 19paul complaints that the Flash would find competition in beating.
These days, there are no such areas. Not one.
There are areas to whom the constituents/residents find to be over-policed, as the constituents/residents are committing crimes constantly, consistently, repeatedly, reliably, predictably, etc., and they, the constituents/residents do not like being impeded by the presence of police.
These are their stories.........
But, but there are to many people of color in jail! Better off dead than in jail. Maybe fire department should follow suit and drop the idea that here there is smoke there is fire. City could save a lot of money by not chasing shots or smoke.
Perfect. Get rid of it - it should lower the amount we spend on hospital costs for these animals if there’s more time for them to bleed out.
SCC, this past weekend over 55 people shot, how many were detected through Shot Spotter?
Let the contract expire as well as the victims no fucks given
hahaha if you police the criminals it's called racism if you do not serve the criminals it's called racism if you want the police you are called a racist if you do not want the police you are called a warm and fuzzy liberal
That’s like over doctoring when you’r on you’r deathbed. Typical brain dead leftist logic.
good,,,, no shot spotter means more dead criminals and gang bangers,, sounds good to me
If you look at it as a science project it's all good. A line in the sand if you will. How many dead with Shotspotter and how many without.
I over police my beautiful lawn for weeds at my summer house. I'm glad to have played it smart and fucked this dapartment royally. Fuck, I earned it if you ask me. Fuck this job it 0served its purpose and I don't miss it at all. Throughout the time I was on there were many retirements and saw plenty of them cry now I realize that the police was the only thing they had in life. Don't make this job your life.!!!!!!!!!!
Shot Spotter only shows how violent the African/American community really is. It's an embarrassment.
Brandon Johnson needs those funds for the migrants and CTU.
Get rid of it !! Put thoes house nice back on the street where they’re needed. Hey if they don’t want it why should we. It’s obvious once again they don’t want the police to solve crime. It’s their community that suffers. Just keep thoes OT checks rolling in!!!
Sounds like Martinez would be happier if the police just abandoned the majority black and brown areas of Chicago and focused on keeping the white neighborhoods safe. I guess it doesn’t matter to him that the streets would be littered with dead bodies. What criminal enterprise is Martinez running that he wants the police gone from certain neighborhoods?
Have the number of persons shot or shots fired increased or decreased since the adoption of shot spotter in Chicago? Until the underlying causes (no effective prosecution, truth in sentencing, barbaric culture, etc…) are addressed shotspotter, on a societal level which is what a government should be working on, is a waste of money.
5/22/2024 01:06:00 AM
Thank you for contributing to the conversation.
Your input has the value of null, you will never get any kickbacks from contractors, but your payoffs from the criminals should cover that.
As for the under lying causes..... that would be you.
Stupid conniving people.
5/22/2024 01:08:00 AM
Both are true.
I wonder if Jesus Arce would have benefited from shotspotter pinpointing his location. He was obscured by garbage cans and wasn't found until the sun came up and he was called in as a person down in the alley. There were a few calls of 911 in the area but the callers were unable to provide a location.
Simple solution. Pull all the special units out of the ghetto. They don’t want us, grant their wish. Let the ghetto burn. Place them in 016. I would love to be over policed. Make 016 great again!
So, apparently, if somebody had called 911 on Little Dillinger and the cops responded to that, the progs would want to eliminate 911 too.
Get rid of it !! Put thoes house nice back on the street where they’re needed. Hey if they don’t want it why should we. It’s obvious once again they don’t want the police to solve crime. It’s their community that suffers. Just keep thoes OT checks rolling in!!!
5/22/2024 07:14:00 AM
Such a effort at missed spellings cannot go unappreciated.
You
Are
Da MAN!!!!
Nothing to see here.19P, rinse and repeat.
There are so many issues we have no control over, ie)our elected officials. One thing we can control is our pension board officials. Yesterday they voted 7-0 to give Jan D 75% for “long COVID “. That comes out to 10k a month of tax free money. The city doesn’t pay this, we do. She is not the only one but the latest of scammers who get great benefits from our rubber stamp pension board. This is an issue we should start caring more about. Maybe the whole pension board system needs to be revamped. They have no one who investigates these scammers. We all know some who go on living normal lives, working different jobs and no one is checks on them.
CLUTCH CARGO SAYS:
Shot Spotter isn’t dealing with the main issue, nor is the Mayor, Aldermen, or the CPD Leadership Command, that being violent criminals wreaking havoc upon Chicago’s streets who should be locked up and kept locked up as the dangers to the communities that they are. All this democrt shuck and jive is just that. They talk a good game, take more and more of our Taxpayer dollars, and never accomplish jack shit, other than enriching themselves and their cronies, who feed them even more with the kickbacks from useless business deal contracts given to the cronies by City Hall Shysters.
I hope the Black Community of Chicagoland will finally wise up and all get behind Trump, to try something different for a change, and help curtail all the excessive crime in their neighborhoods, and lack of opportunities for those who want to better themselves and not accept or take the “free government cheese bribary”.
The Democrat party runs on illegal money.
What did they call the crime free zone on the wire?
You know, when I see comments like the one made by Mr. Martinez, a mean, nasty, cynical part of me thinks how nice it would be to give it to them exactly as they want. You don't want "over policing" in certain areas? FINE, here you go, there will be the EXACT same number of LEOs in each district on every shift.
Oh, so now it's a horrible thing that there's never a cop around to respond to robberies, muggings, speeders, reckless drivers, burglaries, and it's taking them 5hrs to respond to the robbery at the local stores? But you wanted EQUAL policing.
(disclaimer, I'm not an LEO anywhere)
Having policed in both environments with and without, I’m still waiting for the department to ask for my professional feedback on the subject. Continuing to take the police out of policing.
Over 98% of calls of shots fired are from Black and Brown.
I'm jealous why are there no shot spotters in Beat 1613 ? Because We are Not savages
If you actually occasionally arrested anyone, please note they are now referred to as "justice impacted individual" and not offender. We want to get things right out there....
Just change the names
Cqbchicago....
Apologizing for the criminal? Illinois set to change ‘offender’ to ‘justice-impacted individual’ in state laws
If you change the commonly accepted names and definitions you can hide the truth.
Example: change the word "wounded" to "hurt" and like magic the number of stories about wounded by gun fire is down when doing an internet search with A.I. So stop calling them criminal and stop calling them offenders or prisoners and boom crime is down.
What other reason can there possibly be than to obfuscate the truth. Oh feelings? HA RIGHT.
Don't call the. Illegals or migrants no-no asylees until the name can be shifted again to something else in order to hide the history of what is going on.
Stop going along with these word games!
Stop saying "shooting at passing cars" it's minimizing the reality of shooting at human beings in the cars.
5/22/2024 01:16:00 AM
Don't be dense. Most people would assume that the cars are only passing because there's at least one person inside them. That's why the term "passing cars" is used instead of just "cars." I mean there are those driverless ubers in some cities, but I don't think anyone thought that's what he was shooting at.
what kind of conehead that is black would say shot spotter is a racist tool because it brings police into black and brown neighborhoods????
hello, who are the shooters, victims?
You should thank lil' homicide. That was the event that shook the dumb blm sycophants out of their stupor.
do democrats think any American citizen believes that conservatives, MAGA, Independent Asian, Caucasian and Hispanic X are the threat to black citizens??
"They're saying that 80-90 percent of the time a person is actually shot and wounded, no 911 call is made. That's absolutely ridiculous and untrue. It's also impossible to gather the numbers to make it true."
I'll split this one with you.
I agree that the 80-90% number is probably high.
As to gathering the relevant numbers, we see it here on a regular basis.
OEMC can tell us exactly how many times officers were dispatched solely due to ShotSpotter.
They can also tell us exactly how many times 911 calls were received for shots fired in the same vicinity.
Lastly, they can also tell us exactly how many times 911 calls were received for shots fired without a related SS alert.
Weird, isn't it?
5/22/2024 01:12:00 AM
What is weird is that, despite the quantity of words typed in this stream of thoughts outpouring into a comment, your points seem to be, well, not well pointed, pretty dull.
Since, as you proclaim, there is no way that there can be data confirming the accuracy of the, as you say, exagerations you comment upon, there is also no data to prove their inaccuracy.
And yet, somehow, you thought that your comment, in it's essence, made sense.
It did not. Not as your comment, as written, presented it to do.
Try again.
This time, try not to puke out words as if their volume equals their value.
Just let it burn. Everyone, except the merit people, hit the medical in August. Watch it all burn down as the animals run wild.
Shot spotter in Chicago ? They're kidding right ?
Why would we want shotspotter? It only gets us to scenes faster which gives us a faster chance of getting involved in a shootout in which Kim fox and cops will find a way to make it your fault. It’s a waste of money and I think the vast majority of police officers that actually police the streets (not house mouse exempts) don’t want it either. Use that money toward our pension, raises, hiring more cops.
Why keep it??? The voters have spoken. They put these people in power to push what they want.
Give the voters want they want good and hard.
You can't fix stupid. You have to let it run its course.
You can't fix stupid. You have to let it run its course.
The people voted for these people to be in power. Anything you do to stop this. They will blame you for. And the voters will believe them.
Give the people what they want. Good and hard.
Point laugh and leave.
Good. Seriously. End the contract that’s greasing some palms. Doesn’t affect where I live.
Show of hands from everyone who thinks that it's assbackwards to continue to allow politicians and community groups to make policing decisions (passage of laws, shotspotter, tactics, etc) instead of using the recommendations of those that see and know first-hand what ideas would/could work, namely POLICE OFFICERS.
Once again , can someone explain why the officers assigned inside the chambers at city hall are in dress uniform everyday ??
Why?
Look up the history of Lucy parsons?
I want to see a video of carjackers approach and try to jack driverless Uber.
They may think thats@ paranormal encounter and shitheads don’t like any of that!👻
Good. Seriously. End the contract that’s greasing some palms. Doesn’t affect where I live.
5/22/2024 06:05:00 PM
Nothing affects you where you live.
As in not anything.
As in including this subject you have splurted an opinion on.
There may be one thing, though, that affects you.
Will you confess to what that one thing is?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What did they call the crime free zone on the wire?
5/22/2024 09:48:00 AM
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Hamsterdam
I am sorry, this does not save lives or prevent crime from occurring. This is our tax dollars everyone, it just tells you where the shots came from. It was Rham that sold us on this technology so his friends can get rich. Lets put $10 million into the community.
What is weird is that, despite the quantity of words typed in this stream of thoughts outpouring into a comment, your points seem to be, well, not well pointed, pretty dull.
Since, as you proclaim, there is no way that there can be data confirming the accuracy of the, as you say, exagerations you comment upon, there is also no data to prove their inaccuracy.
And yet, somehow, you thought that your comment, in it's essence, made sense.
It did not. Not as your comment, as written, presented it to do.
Try again.
This time, try not to puke out words as if their volume equals their value.
5/22/2024 01:35:00 PM
Your style of writing is annoying, and reeks of an attempt to sound intelligent. You're not. Stop trying so hard, and just talk like a normal person. You don't need data to prove that numbers aren't accurate. I presented no numbers. Those who present the numbers need the data to prove their accuracy. Since that data is literally impossible to collect, by virtue of it being based on unknown and unreported events, giving it any credence whatsoever is intellectually dishonest at best. Do you believe that 80-90% of the incidents of people shot in Chicago do not really in a call to 911? If so, how did you come to that conclusion? They quite literally fabricated data to facilitate the continuation of a multi-million dollar per year, and likely unending contract. What statistic have you seen reported, based on actual data, that gave a range of 10 percentage points? If there is actual data, there is never that wide of a range. This 80-90% figure was provided as a guess, based on zero evidence, and with clear bias, while also being completely ridiculous. The fact that you've chosen to argue with me, instead of the obviously inaccurate and fabricated numbers, is equally ridiculous. Put away your thesaurus and unplug your keyboard. You're in over your head, and you're too full of yourself to realize how dumb you've made yourself look.
I'll split this one with you.
I agree that the 80-90% number is probably high.
As to gathering the relevant numbers, we see it here on a regular basis.
OEMC can tell us exactly how many times officers were dispatched solely due to ShotSpotter.
They can also tell us exactly how many times 911 calls were received for shots fired in the same vicinity.
Lastly, they can also tell us exactly how many times 911 calls were received for shots fired without a related SS alert.
5/22/2024 01:35:00 PM
You missed a KEY part of their bullshit figures. They're saying 80-90% of the time WHERE THERE ARE GUNSHOT VICTIMS, no 911 call is made. Anyone who has spent one second as the police in this city, or even a slightly well-informed citizen, would know that those numbers are complete bullshit. They're using made up figures to try to keep their contract going. Anyone who understands the numbers they're using, and somehow still believes them, is either completely ignorant of how shootings in Chicago occur, or they're actively trying to ignore reality and common sense for some reason.
Why would we want shotspotter? It only gets us to scenes faster which gives us a faster chance of getting involved in a shootout in which Kim fox and cops will find a way to make it your fault. It’s a waste of money and I think the vast majority of police officers that actually police the streets (not house mouse exempts) don’t want it either. Use that money toward our pension, raises, hiring more cops.
5/22/2024 03:44:00 PM
You don't think.
Proof of this, your final concluding sentence.
Not one penny ever 'saved' by governments here is ever used to "...that money toward our pension, raises, hiring more cops.".
And all of your 'could be' blatherings are fantasy.
When a commenter strings known agreeable phrases together, woven into which are assertions of majority concensus, the odor of perfidity wafts insidously, pungently, not so gently and devoid of puns, off of the comment thread.
Better you wet farted here. At least that would be much less sneaky.
Lucy Parsons Project sucks! Alan Parsons Project rocks!
I’m hitting the medical and going to Dominican , I love our medical
Put away your thesaurus and unplug your keyboard. You're in over your head, and you're too full of yourself to realize how dumb you've made yourself look.
5/23/2024 01:00:00 AM
Appearences are everything to you, aren't they?
And your opinions are the basis for all intelligences to reference for value and validity, correctomundo?
And, you continue to submit comments insisting that you are unfuckingly, undeniably right!!!
We must, and shall, all bow before your immensities of intellectual superiorty!!!!
Caught in that loop, huh?
Round and round and round you go, can't stop, won't stop, gotta twerk that meat melon mental masturbation machine.
I should toss in a mispelling or three, just to give you a binky bit to chomp on.
Woah, nellie.......
What we need is an "extremist-spotter."
"Anonymous said...
There are so many issues we have no control over, ie)our elected officials. One thing we can control is our pension board officials. Yesterday they voted 7-0 to give Jan D 75% for “long COVID “. That comes out to 10k a month of tax free money. The city doesn’t pay this, we do. She is not the only one but the latest of scammers who get great benefits from our rubber stamp pension board. This is an issue we should start caring more about. Maybe the whole pension board system needs to be revamped. They have no one who investigates these scammers. We all know some who go on living normal lives, working different jobs and no one is checks on them.
5/22/2024 09:13:00 AM"
Long Covid?
You mean "Long Jab Poisoned?"
"Anonymous said...
If you change the commonly accepted names and definitions you can hide the truth."
That is part and parcel of the the communist playbook.
Kind of like the Affordable Care Act, which is anything but affordable.
Appearences are everything to you, aren't they?
And your opinions are the basis for all intelligences to reference for value and validity, correctomundo?
And, you continue to submit comments insisting that you are unfuckingly, undeniably right!!!
We must, and shall, all bow before your immensities of intellectual superiorty!!!!
Caught in that loop, huh?
Round and round and round you go, can't stop, won't stop, gotta twerk that meat melon mental masturbation machine.
I should toss in a mispelling or three, just to give you a binky bit to chomp on.
Woah, nellie.......
5/23/2024 10:03:00 AM
Common sense says I'm right. You don't have to purposely try to toss in a misspelling or three, because you actually managed three without trying. That's just your natural lack of intelligence. Congrats. Please respond with more awkwardly structured and nonsensical attempts at insults. I'm sorry your inability to grasp simple concepts has caused you to focus on me so intently. Maybe you can go work on your spelling instead of making another failed attempt to prove anything I said was incorrect. Now tell us all how you purposely spelled those words wrong, just like you mentioned. I know I'll believe you. ;)
What did they call the crime free zone on the wire?
Hamsterdam.
What do I win?
What we need is an "extremist-spotter."
5/23/2024 01:34:00 PM
We already have plenty of those.
The main stream media.
The prog blogs.
Farcebook.
Instaspam.
Groogle.
Wackipedia.
Shit, a shit ton of extremist spotters.
Every time a prog speaks, an idiot cuts a wet fart.
Common sense says I'm right. You don't have to purposely try to toss in a misspelling or three, because you actually managed three without trying. That's just your natural lack of intelligence. Congrats. Please respond with more awkwardly structured and nonsensical attempts at insults. I'm sorry your inability to grasp simple concepts has caused you to focus on me so intently. Maybe you can go work on your spelling instead of making another failed attempt to prove anything I said was incorrect. Now tell us all how you purposely spelled those words wrong, just like you mentioned. I know I'll believe you. ;)
5/24/2024 01:10:00 AM
Were you to be diddling your piddle, wiggling your waddle or tickling your pickle, I'd believe it.
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