Ignorant Dispatcher
Amazing that someone can be so totally ignorant of their job and remain employed:
It's an abandoned, wide open, stolen car, with no one in custody and recoverable evidence in plain sight. There's no search warrant needed.
Order the ET and let the ET sergeant make any determination based on his observations, his Officers' observations or in consultation with assigned detectives.
We're pretty sure OEMC hiring practices are based on Zip Code alone and not Kim L's non-existent law degree.
Labels: un-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
194 Comments:
I like how YouTube lists the video as "made for kids." Lol. They must be going by the IQ of the mayor and all the DEI hires for the city like this dispatcher.
This is about as bad as zone 3 2nd watch
The ET’s and their dispatcher are asses. Over the last few years they think they are the shit on the job. Dumb and dumber is more like it. I had the displeasure of having to order a few over the last few years and they don’t want to do anything. Nothing but excuses.
I did exactly 20 yrs. Never once did a dispatcher offer advice on policy or procedures.
Back in the day we had Pete on Zone 12, he never criticized cops or told them what to do.
He helped cops.
That's their job.
She thinks she's the main player.
Know your job, know what you're doing, tell the dispatcher to fuck off.
It's really not a dispatcher's place to be making determinations regarding whether or not the facts of a situation constitute a legal warrantless search. ETs are trained to recognize a situation that may require a search warrant. The logical play for her here is to let the people in the field work it out. With that said, she makes a legitimate point, uncomfortable as that may be for a lot of us to admit. Technically, the original reporting agency for the steal is supposed to have first crack at processing the vehicle and several insist on doing their own processing--which should and often does involve attaining the actual owner's documented CONSENT to have their vehicle searched and processed forensically. You would essentially be processing the car on their behalf. We write search warrants to process stolen vehicles used in the commission of other crimes on a very regular basis. The fact that the car is open and ajar would have NO bearing on this in a court setting. If you do not want to expose the evidence and potentially lose it in a motion, tow it somewhere it can be preserved INDOORS while you procure the warrant. With that said, this exchange was silly and again, that's not what she gets paid to do.
This dipshiiit need to be terminated immediately! Is she going to ask for copies of x-rays before getting CFD EMTs if an officer is shot? Has to be a product of CPS indoctrination for 12 years...
Ignorant militant dumb fuck. Do your job and shut your suckhole!
Watching to much "Law and Order".
Wow I can't believe the city hired lawyers to be dispatchers & tell cops how to do their jobs. STFU biotch & order the ET
First... no search warrant is required. Second. It's not her job to make that determination. It's not her supervisor's job to make that determination.
Dummisha beez a fool.
Supervisor should have told her, she is a civilian and doesn't determine when a search warrant is needed. Hopefully the ET sergeant knew what to do.
You could almost hear the dispatcher's neck roll and "mmm hmmm!"
She ghetto as hell!
Maybe Crimesha is pulling night shifts at OEMC…”cause she knows what she’s talking about.”
“transit" exists to get people around the city faster.”
The CTA has 25,000 scheduled bus runs a day. The runs mean that a bus has to be at a certain place at a certain time during that run. Slowing the speed limit from 30 to 25 would mean that all their run schedules would need to be changed, a monumental task that would cost taxpayers more money. Also think of the speed signs that would need to be changed, costing more money. The City is broke. The bike lanes are empty. New York City reduced their speed limit to 25 which has caused major gridlock. You can’t get anywhere on the surface streets so one has to take the subway. Since Chicago has paid about a million dollars a mile for the bike lanes it has really disrupted traffic. I drive on many of those routes and don’t see a high volume of bicycles. There is something more to what these liberal Democrats are planning. Next will be a congestion tax on motorized vehicles.
These CW2 dispatchers suck. Completely ignore what dicks wants and refuse to put in request because they think they are right.
Didn't they record what the E.T. Sergeant said ???
Sorry squad, I can't go to that domestic - burglary - robbery - hold up alarm etc.
I think I need a search warrant before I walk into it.
It’s really sad that the City has hired so many DEI buffoons that you have to put up with. I can’t believe the police didn’t lose their cool. The civilian dispatcher has no authority to make police decisions. Get rid of her!
The dispatcher is WRONG, it's not her JOB to determine if the request is right or wrong, is she an attorney. SHE is there to assist the Police not to give us her opinion! And where was the supervisor, if the request was made on city wide the Officer should have had his Sgt call for ET. It's the ET's job to process the, if they believe it shouldn't be done he has a Supervisor who can make the call. Someone should have gotten a CR number on Dispatcher, she really overstepped her authority. If the request was done over thier zone, where was thier Supervisor!
Nobody is worse than maritza on zone 4 and I’ll fight anyone who says otherwise.
It's amazes me how people on this job can be incompetent and cocky at the same time.
Ghetto rat extraordinaire.
Maybe she's a lawyer or is studying for the Sgt's test. (sarcasm intended)
What a MORON!! This ignorant clown is going to sit there and try to tell investigator's how to do their jobs - how about u just dispatch toots. Where was the OEMC SUPERVISOR ???
IBEW 21, the training department, and several others in the OEMC need to be investigated by the FBI and the DOJ.
•CPD watch manager husband and CPD supervisor wife.
•CPD watch manager mother and CFD dispatcher daughter.
•2 sets of CPD dispatcher mothers and CPD dispatcher sons.
•CPD call taker/union rep and CPD call taker wife.
•CPD dispatcher with 3 immediate family members in the Office of Emergency Management.
•CPD dispatcher married to allegedly forced out CPD supervisor and sister in law to CPD dispatcher assigned to the training department
•CPD call taker mother and CPD call taker daughter (quit)
•CFD call taker mother and 2 CFD call taker sons (last name W)
•2 CPD dispatcher sisters
Go to the employee list and do some research. Something fishy going on in there.
CPS grad fer sure
Would this be a DEI hire? The sgt on there said they have what 30 years on the job? This dispatcher should be terminated immediately. Could you imagine having this clown if you’re involved in some big incident shooting or were you need help this person would question you who is this idiot to question the police anyway it’s not their job. Their job is to do what they are told
Whenever a dispatcher denies you of anything ask them for their last name and PD # and inform them you will document on your case report that they denied you whether it be an ET request or body removal or whatever it is. Watch how fast they turn around.
Someone needs to pull a complaint on this dispatcher! I need to know where and when she graduated from a licensed Law school? Then I need to confirm she is aware of the rules and regulations when dispatching and confirm she is aware that when a Field supervisor asks for supplemental support in the field. The OEMC requests and sends the support? Like Detectives, Fire, EMS, Bomb & Arson, Canine, SWAT, Mounted Unit, Marine unit. Did I get them all?
If a field unit asks for support. Or a field supervisor asks for support. Send the support. Why was there a debate with a dispatcher?
So if I ask for a unit that supports field Units just enter the ticket?
That’s my call, as a field supervisor with 30 years.
If the dispatcher wants to debate. I call OEMC and ask for Supervisor and pull the complaint? Let them listen to the stupid recording and ask all the same questions? Remember OEMC is a support unit to the CPD and CFD!
Who is this clown? Looks like she went to some COPA seminar and is now a know it all. No stupid you don't know what you're talking about.
F/1 embarrassment. Please go back home to Englewood.
This is what happens when you give too much power to a civilian that has a very very limited knowledge of the law and police procedures.
DEI just Funnin for the ferals. Unreal. Even I know the difference and I’m not a LEO. This stops when people have had enough.
Well, now that OEMC dispatchers are acting as defense lawyers....I cannot even finish my comment. Please, someone finish it for me. I am THAT disgusted. Retired in Florida.
OMG, what a stupid Bitch and yet she is so fucking ignorant by saying Im not going to argue and I know what Im talking about..This is what the City Hires!! First of all, as a dispatcher her job is to ASSIST THE POLICE, NOT argue with us. Not a dispatchers job to determine if an E.T. comes out or not. I bet she is a CPS dropout. The Sgt should have said I dont answer to you either, Ill just mobile with the E.T. sgt!!!
After listening to this, you wonder why CPD is a joke! Such ignorance and stupidity of the dispatcher. She must have went to the school Foxx of law.
Since when does a dispatcher take the place of an available supervisor. Don't get me wrong, I've had incredible dispatchers that I know saved my ass (Carlos, Chris Cain...). This dispatcher however, was totally out of line.
Now the dispatchers are there to supervise the field operations? This idiot belongs in call back.
She should be arrested for interfering with an investigation and fired immediately.
Not the dispatcher’s job to tell the on scene officers what to do. Maybe just remind them to not start going through the car before the et or detectives arrive. However, in the small town department I retired from, we would have been required to get a search warrant. Just a CYA. Plus, it was very easy for us to get a warrant. Our judge lives in town and does not mind having his door knocked on at any hour for a warrant application
Since when do dispatchers give legal advice over the air? Should have told her she is a dispatcher not an attorney.
When I got on the job the dispatchers were still police officers. Some of them would come back from lunch and sound like Otis from Mayberry. Good times.
Allow me to point out again the “ignant” and “ratchetness” of the police operations side of OEMC.
• Openly wear BlM paraphernalia.
• Often express approval when there is injury or worse to a police officer. “Guuuud. Das what Dey git.”
• One dispatcher in particular refers police as “slavve catchers”.
• Chastise and taunt dispatchers who show approval and support of police officers.
• Police operations floor turned into a dance party for a full minute when JVD was convicted.
In other words The Church Peoples (or folks) of Trotter still lives at OEMC. I encourage all of you anyone reading come on any of you to take a ride over there go to the 3rd floor take a look at the operations floor and make a mental note of what you see. When 85% are F’s of a certain persuasion from the southside don’t act surprised when you get that over the radio. Shame on that Sgt for not going up his chain of command to have that dispatcher (K.L.) removed and CR’d.
Minus the Fire operations floor the place is a joke the supervisors are the same as well it’s so openly anti police any call taker or dispatcher wearing a hoodie or jacket or cap displaying a blue line or anything CPD is subject to discipline but bright neon pink hair or vivid green hair braids that go past the waist blinged out finger nails fake eyelashes and over all ghetto fashion is acceptable.
Sounds like dispatcher K L interfered with police investigations why didn’t she get removed and will she face any sort of reprimand for this?
The way that dispatcher talks you would think she had 4 stars on each collar of her uniform shirt. Another " church " lady ??? I still shake my head remembering when the Police were replaced by civilians in the Communications Division.
“Hello owner, we found your car, turns out it was used in a robbery where someone was shot at! Were you the one who got shot?!? Pretty crazy huh???”
“Did you catch the guy?”
“Oh, my dispatcher said to just tow it, so you can just go pick it up at the pound whenever you get a chance, have a great day”
How low have we stooped?
Wow, such an idiot.
A mere dispatcher talking about stuff she don't even know. She must have worked for COPA before.
Uh Huh Ms Thang being the job better than errrybodddy else, Mmmm, Mmmmm
OMG ~ that incompetent bitch needs to be fired!
I'm not a lawyer but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
This defund the police dispatcher was on South Park...
https://youtu.be/IpF9O0R873I?si=4E_Hs3ZIqOHDYtwX
Wow! Times have changed.
She be hating the Polices! Stay in your lane and do your job!
Tiffany Henyard 2.0
Used in commission of a crime. Tow to pond, notify detectives. They will know what to do and order up ET’s themselves, no dispatcher necessary. If dispatcher interferes, place under arrest for Obstructing.Only exception is if moving the vehicle will destroy evidence.
In the end, she still thought she was correct. No doubt no one pulled a number on her. E.T. Sgt should have straightened it out on air, it's a 2 second decision. Then, notice her ignore the beat car when he calls in for the follow up request?
DEI hired employee, hard at work.
She needs to be demoted immediately to crossing guard or maybe deputy chief. wtf
Old lady Mary from zone 9 was an assclown too!
You go girl...
This ignorant dispatcher is horrible. This isn’t her first time being rude and not knowing what she’s talking about.
I'm sure the city has a vendor in mind....CHEAP TOO ! go on...ask them
WHY ?....it's the Chicago way...
YOOO Girl...boop them nails...You go Gurl
Supervisor should have CR numbered her and moved to have her terminated for failing to perform her job. She's one of Brandon's people, probably referred by Brandon's revrun for city employment. Hopefully the FOP can take up having her fired. An obvious bias against the police. Fire that piece of shit.
Who she finna be?
Where are the supervisors???
He backed her up!
Laziest group on CPD. A bunch of do nothings.
She votes and we all know for whom. Just remember that when you’re on the radio saying dumb stuff. Oemc are not your friends and have not been for decades. The whole floor is f/1 demotrash. A few f/4s who are even worse sprinkled throughout. They all have goddess complexes and think they’re superior to lazy coppers.
Ignorant, and yet, still so condescending. This moron is just a killer of morale for everyone trying to do the job the right way.
Supervisors have said dispatchers can turn down CPD and to red line #fact
Supervisors in there are corrupted and need visits from the FBI, not Santa. They engage in cover ups when their own F UP.
Every time a dispatcher interferes or their ego gets in the way of police communication WOLs should be pulling CRs but they don’t because they’re lazy and don’t care enough. Will she get reprimanded or suspended? How can she if the complaint was never pulled. Hopefully in this situation it was but there’s no way this was the first time kimmy did something like this. And all the times before she was never brought up on it so it continues.
Wait 'til there's identical twins with less than stellar attitudes.
Come on man how old are you? This is Chicago, its a who you know town always have always will be! Do your job stay out of the way if you like and go home! DOJ under sleepy is not coming to do anything!
And yet it’s allowed by our top brass and the FOP. Catanzara has been silent on many issues for coppers, dispatchers one of them. Still no contract by the way. 2017-2024 no contract.
They have done more than that in there. The BLM pin everyone speaks of, spends her entire day on her cell phone. Before Jose became E.D. If a caller didnt give an address, she would tell the call takers to file it the call because she was too incompetent to trace the #. Cpd doesnt see filed calls. She needs to be investigated by the FBI to see if anyone has died as a result of her actions.
It is IBEW 21, entire training department and other OEMC personnel involved in this hiring and promotional crap. You best believe that with so many people involved they coverup when they F UP. It needs to be brought down by the DOJ and FBI.
I wonder what alderman she is related to
If you work in the OEMC and bring something to the attention of a supervisor that involves one of these “special” people they retaliate and harass you. Doesnt matter if it is a wrong address, a 10-1, or a call that sent cops in blind and could have gotten them killed.
It is obvious that they have corrupted the hiring process. Why hasnt anyone pulled a FOIA for the entire application pool?
Guess what! OEMC is independent and hasn’t been part of CPD for over 20 years and is not bound by the rules and regulations of the Department. They don’t have CR’s!
Maybe it was her "Boo" that stole the car...
I believe the reason police agencies obtain the owner's permission prior to processing is some of the procedures involve fogging the vehicle interior to raise prints. The fogging leaves a troublesome residue.
At some point in your life you will realize it’s just not worth your time and a complete waste of your energy because nothing will change. 1130 must be a recently promoted sergeant off of some high speed tact team. Unless there’s more to this, who really gives a F anymore about some stolen vehicle and shell casings recovered in the ghetto. Daily occurrence in 010 and 011. Simply respond to the dispatcher with “Alrighty then, send a tow please.”
You’re 100% covered. The dispatcher under the authority of OEMC, ET sergeant, and her supervisor told you so. Malicious compliance is the best way to stick it back to the all knowing wise asses. Someone will later have to answer.
Secure the vehicle, cut the report for recovered foreign steal, notify Melrose Park to ascertain if they want vehicle processed, sit on vehicle until Melrose arrives and indicate vehicle turned over to Melrose PD at scene. Not difficult. We will rarely process evidence for another jurisdiction, particularly one next door to the city.
Mediocre and damned proud of it
On August 31 a dispatcher committed suicide. She shot herself at home in 008. This dispatcher was not connected to “them.” She had begged them to become a call taker. She hadnt asked to be detailed or for another position. She asked to be demoted. They made her apply, test and interview and then turned her down for call taking even though she had passed call taking during her dispatcher training.
Had she of been connected to them they wouldve detailed her to a nice spot or made her a call taker. Instead while retired LT J.W. was watch manager theyd put her on the hardest zones. For friends and family though, the incompetents get put to call taking or easier zones to “protect” them. If they F UP, the supervisors cover it up. They threw her into the fire as a newbie, and left her to suffer. thats what they do.
RIP Amanda you didnt deserve such a tragic end.
You leave my gurrr Tiff out of this!
Too much law and order, Not enough Chicago PD.
Where is this ginormous indoor space to tow all the recovered vehicles used in a crime in Chicago?
Hahaha this is priceless. Make this job even easier, I don't have to wait on scene for an E.T. Absolutely no benefits in going that extra mile, just answer the jobs, code them out and go home and put this embarrassment of a job in the rearview mirror.
That's exactly who it is.
Sounds familiar. Just want to get out of doing their jobs
Zone 11 3rd and 1st watch pretty much the same. Throughout the years somehow they believed they are bosses. Instead of working with us, they just care about themselves and clearing the board
Its exhausting trying to get stuff done and running into roadblocks like her.
Wait the until she finds out CFD pops the trunk on every unattended car fire.
I like how she says "We're not able to process it." Nobody is asking you to do anything other than order an ET.
A complaint should not be pulled, the dispatcher should be named as an offender for obstruction. Failing to obey lawful order/direction.
Why is the ratio of racial diversity and gender diversity so askew at oemc? Do they not care to have a representative makeup in the dispatchers? 50% men, 30% white, 30% Hispanic, 30% black, 10% other just like the city as a whole? Why are the employees 90% black females?
Search warrant is the correct call, bare minimum consent to search.
Yes
what a sick racist stupid hater did i leave anything else out the officer did an outstanding job , officer please get a cr number on this dumb ghetto bitch and why didnt the supervisor get one on her i would had
Anyone remember Stan the Man on Zone 10? He was the shit!
Retired in Texas……
Oh hells to da NO!!!!
Retired Lt. Here….
When any supervisors makes a request, that request is deemed a direct order…
What gets me is that ignat dispatcher blurting out, I know what I’m talking about….ahhhhh no you don’t stupid….
One hopes the good officers and their supervisor preserve the entire transmission and file a formal complaint with the worthless IG….
This reprobate dispatcher needs to sit in the penalty box with no pay…
That will get her rite….
Back each other out there and vote early !!!!
I'm from 011. ZONE 10 Dispatches fucking SUCK!!! FIRE ALL 3rd Watch and 1st Watch!!
Wow. Someone's bitter
5810 should have put her on blast right away. Instead he opted to just do it via phone call. Then 10 minutes later 5810 came over the air and said they are going to make a re request. 5810 should have piped up and said, “squad you’re incorrect, we will send an ET for that.” That needs to be instant. He can do it professionally and not be combative but that needed to be done immediately. There should have been a number pulled on her for not being professional on the air and in attention to duty since she was completely wrong.
But this is just plain not true. There's a shit ton of dispatchers who are married to officers or have family members who are officers or friends and care about the job. You sound miserable as fuck and like you have your head up your ass
625 ILCS 5/11-203
No person shall willfully refuse to comply with a lawful order from a police officer, fireman, or other authorized person. A conviction for this offense is a petty offense with a mandatory fine of $150.
-Sounds just like Henyard's voice. Ghetto af!
I beee's in charge.
I glad I retired from this rats nest.
Uh huh ya. Go girl.
If I was working I'd be 30 pending.
With that attitude I'm sure her home has been the target of a SW.
Stolen vehicle. Offenders have NO expectation of privacy mushmelon. You could call and notify owner and get verbal consent, But you don’t need it. Goof.
Worked numerous Homicides , carjackings, etc as a Detective. You do not need to get verbal consent. The offenders have NO expectation of privacy at all. And the originating agency part is stupid. The agency with the higher charge most likely would make the call, however, 9 out of 10 times you’re talking to the other agencies out of courtesy. But, you don’t need permission, IF reported stolen.
Another DEI success story.
Cps preference hire. She should join CPD, merit spot will be waiting for her
Say What girl....
get a complaint against her, notify the Inspector general
who side she be on
Dumb. Your job is to dispatch, not interpret the law. Nothing more dangerous than someone who thinks they’re smart.
Sounds 300lbs. Cheap fake hair and fake nails. Attitude with her cps education. Never worked a day in her life. 4 kids and 4 different baby daddy’s. Nasty hyena
Omg she is absolutely incorrect
We are surrounded by assholes.
Dont be jumpin in on her Kool Aid!
Man I hope I become an ET
Thanks for chiming in KL. You're still wrong.
Exactly. It’s like the diversity at the post office or CTA. In those instances diversity means only one way.
Stan and Wally were the best, they were the police. The old OCS at 1121 state
Correct! The Sgt should have called and request to speak to a stupidvisor of OEMC and definitely file a complaint.
There was a whole more to it !
Tell me about it, every ET that comes on scene looks absolutely miserable and have the worst attitude.
She’s talking as if she’s ever set foot on a Crime scene in her life, like she’s personally processing the scenes. What a fool.
Kimmy looks exactly like you’d expect her to look btw, even down to the nails.
The amount of people here who believe a search warrant is required on a stolen vehicle used in the commission of or with evidence of a crime is alarming. On the PCAD it will even say Hold for Prints for stolen vehicles involved in car jacking. The dispatcher is not only incorrect but also interfering with an investigation. I am glad The Sargent stood his ground against this wanna be supervisor. Before I made Dic I was tired of these dispatchers being disrespectful to Police Officers and acting like bosses who knew the job.
They Trotter’s church peoples. But you’re correct 90% F1’s from the southside all openly anti police anti law and order. Openly despise whyyyyyytes always causing problems abusing the medical always fighting with each other it’s a shame as there are good people at OEMC who genuinely care about police and fire.
Absolutely. On the police operations side it’s 90% f1 from the southside now how is that possible?
Retired DC here. The only correct answer on this thread. Smart Copper.
Oh hell yeah! Stan ‘The Man’ Nowinski working his special kinda magic on Zone 10, aka “Stan’s Wild Kingdom”. One of a kind, hands down. “Get your crayon ready”, “sidewalk inspector” and “Car-BQ” are just a few of Nowinski Originals that come to mind. We were very lucky with our dispatchers as a whole on Zone 10 over many years. Lupe (RIP). Lyna. Marissa. All top tier voices in the night.
GP
Been on the job 20 plus years unfortunately
That being said, the problem I see with today's supervisors is no balls at all especially with our dispatchers. Some not all let the dispatchers run the show. Many sergeants being promoted don't know the job especially on the beat because the department is promoting too many from units and inside house mouses that havent worked a beat car in a decade. I see it all the time. Myself I'm too dumb to pass any promotional tests, but I like many of us on the beat would of shut this f@#$ng b#$%ch immediately. Deal with the consequences later.
My baby daddy beating my ass! Sorry, Nene the dispatcher say I need a search warrant.
To 08:50:03, 09:48:03, and 02:09:48, which is probably a corrupted civilian, i only have 2 words BURKE MADIGAN.
You arent responding to calls and going in blind. Im like Sinatra baby, I spread the news so that every officer has the info to protect themselves.
God I hope the idiot saying to tow the car indoors for a SW is not a Detective. You are completely wrong. Its obvious you NEVER worked these types of cases. Stay inside at 35th street and continue ro suck up for your next merit promotion.
Dispatchers can have CR #s pulled on them.
To 02:15:20, if you are police you must be an incompetent schmuck. The floor is large, if a call taker messed up a 10-1 which i have seen more than once, it becomes up to the supervisor and watch manager. The only way you can tell is if you are one of the call takers that received a call about the same incident or a dispatcher on that zone. After that it goes to the supervisor and watch manager. Like i said it depends who you are. Again the floor is large with a high call volume and busy radios. You cant notice everything.
All good cops know there are dirty cops so youre logic that some people are married and dating cops is pure stupidity.
Sit down and stfu. Remove 2nd watch from your calculations ask the dispatcher talking about search warrants to help you with the math.
Youre an idiot, ever heard of probable cause.
Walk up, arrest her, put her in cuffs and haul her out of the place...
Until one of these morons gets arrested, nothing's going to change.
What in the Black Jesus did I just hear??
To 07:07:24, I can confirm there was a supervisor KD Brown threatening call takers and dispatchers with disciplinary action on 3rd watch for wearing CPMF gear and clothing that dispatchers and their friends were making with “CPD” on it. She sent everyone messages throughout the room. She was reported and it was nipped and shut down. Shed clench her fist and pound the high supervisor desk. Shed talk in roll call and screech her words at times like a nut. Her last year was on 3rd watch, prior she was on midnights and in cahoots with the female 1st watch manager. Prior to that she was also a watch manager that was demoted to a supervisor due to an alleged act which saw another watch manager fired (years back) which she was also in cahoots with.
She went packing on August 31st, no one cared.
Congrats, detective here too, that’s just not reality. The vehicle is someone’s property and THEY have an expectation of privacy. If a vehicle is wanted ONLY for being stolen out of another jurisdiction, you have NO business processing their vehicle. If another agency processed a vehicle WE wanted, we’d be livid. It’s THEIR investigation, not ours. Best practice ESPECIALLY in a murder is to obtain the owner’s consent or a search warrant and have that owner point out which items in the car are foreign in nature anyway. As for this case the probable cause for the search warrant is literally exactly what he’s describing. We do this all the time and it makes the evidence motion-proof. It’s best practice. Especially nowadays with infotainment search warrants which basically total the vehicle and are a form of forensic processing, we write the search warrant 10/10 times because it’s the safe play. Not sure when you were working murders but things may have changed. I’d reiterate though this is nuanced stuff that a dispatcher isn’t equipped to decide. She’s out of line.
“Where is this ginormous indoor space to tow all the recovered vehicles used in a crime in Chicago?”
Unfortunately Parkside behind 025 is the only designated facility, but they are very accommodating when you do have a vehicle that you don’t want exposed to the elements while you procure a warrant. I have also seen coworkers temporarily secure a vehicle in sally ports to avoid the elements while they type it up. Happens more than you’d think. ET CC at the garage, is she reads this, is a WIZARD at what she does up there and she makes the process extremely smooth. One of few things we do well as a department is process vehicles properly when the stakes are high.
Secure the scene, Order up the tow, and the dicks will have it processed.
As a Sgt myself, I like this answer but I'm not going to second guess the boots on the ground on scene. 1130 handled that nonsense from her like a prince. And yes you do answer to a Sgt baby girl. I can redirect resources you assigned, change assignments you give out and completely overrule you. ET Sgt has the final call on whether an ET will respond to process anything. It must be tough for her to have to answer to someone. I work for Lts with way less time than me and guess what, I answer to them. Get off the power trip and do your job with courtesy and respect. Trying to show off on the radio and show up a Sgt is ridiculous.
Yeeeppppppppp
I order ET's all the time - get cars processed often. Dispatcher asks if there is a warrant and I say no this is the victim's car and I have the victim's permission. I have never gotten a search warrant for a victim's car nor a signed consent to search. That being said, I have always notified the victim. Can the victim refuse the search of their stolen car used in a crime? I really don't think so. That being said, homicide gets search warrants for vehicles all the time. Why? I don't know, but they do. Could it be just because they are trying to protect themselves from a lawsuit when the ET superglues and ruins the car? I don't know. The LT of the ET's, if I am not mistaken, was a big proponent of getting the search warrant. But I can't get over the fact that there is no way the owner of a stolen car can refuse a search of that car if the evidence is necessary for the investigation of another crime. Make it a murder. Make it a sexual assault/murder. You really think the victim can say - hey, forget it I just want my car back - you can't process it. Doubt it.
Nothing will come out of it. No discipline or reprimand. She will be given high fives by her BLM coworkers and smile in her arrogance.
I think the fine is now $3.75.
“God I hope the idiot saying to tow the car indoors for a SW is not a Detective. You are completely wrong. It’s obvious you NEVER worked these types of cases. Stay inside at 35th street and continue ro suck up for your next merit promotion.”
He is 100% correct. It’s no different than finding an offending vehicle with the windows down and locked with a rainstorm coming in. Get the car inside and get the world’s easiest and quickest search warrant done.. This literally happens every day, we have an entire building dedicated to it and a specific ET who handles it. If you want to process a vehicle with murder evidence in it under a SUBURBAN straight steal and then plan on getting that evidence into a trial (lmao) be my guest. If you’re going to conduct a warrantless processing of this vehicle you’re literally doing it for another agency because “BUT I SEE SHELL CASING RIGHT DERE” is not going to cut it. If there are other facts that tie the vehicle to a specific violent crime in Chicago, and you want our ETs to process it, the safe play is to write the easiest SW known to man. If half of the unit didn’t shit their rhetorical pants at the mere thought of having to type and affiant a three page search warrant, we would probably lose less motions.
If there is clearly evidence of another crime in a vehicle and the victim is refusing to consent to their vehicle being processed and doesn’t want it touched, that’s when we *drum roll* write the search warrant to circumvent the need for their consent. The search warrant also ties the vehicle specifically to that murder and allows the evidence to come in substantively. We also write infotainment search warrants as referenced above. They basically total the vehicle. Better believe it’s best to have a court order COMMANDING that search was done than do it just because you’re pretty sure the owner will be chill about it lol. Also, it’s not at all above a defense attorney to find the owner of the car and get them to testify years later to their frustrations and lack of consent regarding their vehicle being intrusively processed. Guess what happens then? You lose every ounce of evidence from the car in the motion. The SW is the safe play
Fuck that!!! Put the dispatcher in her place!
Much like the new Lts. freaking out because they don’t know what to do. Kind of like the guy in 7 who says to the troops. I don’t want to do this work.
God I hope you are NOT the police
The corrupted training department many of which are married to cops but close their eyes and do as they are told, are feeding everyone test answers during training and they leave out a LEADS cheat packet to certify.
Most of the 1st and 3rd watch wouldnt be able to pass the LEADS test.
Doesnt matter married to cops or not. What matters is their comfort. The hiring process is corrupted, the training is corrupted, so what happens when Johnny F UPS? That also gets covered because everything is corrupted on that floor.
40 PPP loans, individuals with criminal records, all processed, hired, passed training. This logic that any give a shit past their paycheck, schedule and furlough is pure non-sense.
Shes part of the union now.
A few of the supervisors on 3rd watch are against the police. Their priority is not your safety. The supervisors that were on midnights prior to 2024 are now on 3rd watch. Good luck!
Old saying…. Star shaped mouths.
Correct. I’m a GOOD dispatcher at OEMC and let me tell you they pick and choose who they want to discipline you can come dressed as a slaaave for Halloween complete with basket of cotton barefooted and call everyone Massa but God Forbid you post the word TOOF-Ache on social media. You can call a rookie dispatcher learning the job a “dumb whyyyyyyyyte btich” to the point she takes her life but please don’t post the word Bambalance on social media. For all those reading this good luck proving it’s who you think it is posting this.
Sorry everyone THEY are protected there probably because OEMC is ran by progressives and liberals and the police side supervisors are also police hating anti law and order types along with most of the dispatchers. Nothing will happen to Kim in fact she will be promoted soon I bet. They are no different than COPA employees. 1’s from the southside who drink the kool aid what do you expect ? Only place where you get written up wearing a blue line hat but nothing happens if you have neon blue hair down to your waist. No confidence in your dispatchers except for a handful. They hate you. They want to see you hurt or worse. It’s true. No confidence. Bring back officers to do the job purge the place of all of Trotter’s peoples (folks). The place is a joke disgusting giant whales and buffalos with blinged out lashes and nails. “MmmmmmHm Popo all raesssist anyway Mmmmhmmmm…..”
Right on the money. The car is a potential crime scene, no SW is needed.
I bet the chair she sits on smells like raw sewage after her shift and has to be stored in a decontamination closet.
Let’s just say she was right, it still isn’t her position to deny or interfere. Her job is to manage the communication on the zone. That is it. It isn’t to have an attitude or discuss policy or procedure. She is to relay information and only that. These dispatchers need to learn their place and learn it quickly. Stop interfering and cutting off people so you can hear your own voice. A 14 day suspension will do her good.
It's not up to the dispatcher to determine if there's a warrant, or if one is needed.
City hires these asswipes right after they bond out of CCJ
Again it doesn't require SW. All of you keeps commenting about homicides and torrential rain destroying evidence. You obviously didn't listen to the recording. It's a straight steal from suburb wanted "in a series of armed robberies." Call the Area where robberies occurred. Detective would be assigned to vehicle scene. ET dispatched to process scene with Detective. ET won't come without Detective on scene. Car processed and victim notified to pickup car or have towed. Suburb notified by OEMC teletype that vehicle recovered. CPD Robberies take precedence over straight steal. This type of incident occurs every week at Area. This isn't a homicide. If it were the vehicle would be towed and processed after SW. IT'S NOT A HOMICIDE GUYS! And it's not raining!Don't add any factors to the incident. Just like Dr Bernstein would say.
Perfect example on the ignorance of this type of dispatcher....
Years ago when Data Warehouse was called IClear, a unit came over the zone asking for a car with a working PDT with IClear. She puts it over the zone as 'anyone have some of that IClear for this unit?' I chirp in and say I have visine squad. She then goes and tells the outside unit , with all seriousness, I have a car with some visine, will that work? We spit our coffee out !!
LMFAO!!! You are 100% right
If their's such a displeasure may you should either resign or transfer to another district. Quite ofter the issue seems from the making the complaint.
Probable cause only applies as long as the vehicle is excepted under the mobile conveyance exception. When the vehicle is abandoned, it is no longer a mobile conveyance, exigency is gone, and 4A applies. You need a search warrant or consent at that point. Sorry to see so many apparent cops here not understanding this basic search/seizure procedure.
Do you need a search warrant for that too?
what do you expect from those fat desperate slobs. all theyre good for is being a side piece
for real. the day dispatchers left which was a relief. couldnt stand them especially the one that was banging guys from 016. lost a lot of respect for her
That dispatcher always me a hard time and is unnecessarily shitty about things
Now you're just being more of an idiot than you already are
A "crime scene" is not an exception to the 4A, so under what legal authority are you searching an abandoned stolen car? You need a search warrant or consent, and just because you've never had that before doesn't make it right.
10/26/2024 07:20:17 AM
You are wrong for about a dozen reasons.
the plain view doctrine negates the need for the warrant.
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