CrimeFile was Correct
We're told this came out officially recently:
The Sig Sauer P320 is being phased out and will no longer be an approved firearm.
All members who have the Sig Sauer P320 as their prescribed duty weapon must transition to a new approved firearm. Members who have a department approved Alternate Prescribed firearm other than a Sig Sauer P320, may opt to reclassify that firearm as their Prescribed duty weapon, consistent with U04-02-01 "Department Approved Handguns and Ammunition," in lieu of purchasing a new firearm.
The Training and Support Group, Firearms Training Section will be hosting "Gun Days" on the following dates: Monday, 05 May 2025 0600-1200 (Training Academy 1300 W. Jackson Blvd. Tuesday, 06 May 2025 0700-1300 PSTC (701 N. Kilbourn) Wednesday, 07 May 2025 0700-1300 PSTC (701 N. Kilbourn) Vendors will be displaying and accepting orders for Department approved weapons and ancillary equipment, including optics, lights, holsters, belts, etc. All Department members are welcome to visit and place orders.
We are also told that the City is going to refuse to reimburse Officers for the gun that THEY approved as a Duty Weapon, claiming that's what the uniform allowance is for. Some commentators say that this is a contractual issue meaning it's going to end up as a grievance at some point. We're more worried about the training issue as we wrote about last month.
How many guns are we talking about here?
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
95 Comments:
I am 100% PRO-Gun.
However, I lost total respect from Sig after they came out with the below BULLSHIT official statement last month.
This IS a dangerous gun with bad flaws.
I will never buy another Sig.
It's almost like Jussie Smollett claiming to be a victim.
https://www.sigsauer.com/blog/the-truth-about-the-p320
Huh .. so are we going to "Hold the line" again? J-Cat ??
City going to violate the contract?
FUCK YOU = Medical ; Pay ME
The City owes us over $200 MILLION in back overtime with court ORDERED 5% interest a month..
The moronic City Counsel doesn't even realize it.
They will just keep violating the law and contract and in the end, the tax payers will get screwed royal.
There are over 1000 officers with the P320.
As of today it still shows approved in the order. There is also no date in the AMC about when an officer needs to have it replaced by.
How did this happen with so called experts guidance with approved firearms. Department is a joke.
Well I will love being the test case? I can see showing up to roll call and the watch LT having to do weapons inspection. When the LT gets to me I dare him/her to look at the P320 I am holding? Then go File the uniform complaint on me which will start the grievance? If you young pups don’t remember, the City outlawed police from using the metal flashlights because they were used as weapons? So, City bought everyone new plastic rechargeable flashlights? Under new uniform rules?
You can already see plenty of used P320 models showing up in gun stores all around the county. Do not spend your uniform allowance on a forced uniform change. This one is on the city dime.
It’s gotta be a small amount of coppers I would think.
For the most part, I doubt anyone who’s really done their homework was choosing the P320 to be their prescribed duty weapon.
My Smith and Wesson Model 10 works just fine.
Sig not CPD should be responsible for the reimbursement
How many "suicides" were actually accidental discharges by malfunction?
So in a way the city is admitting that the gun is not safe by phasing it out. The phase out process does not appear to be immediate with a hard deadline. So what happens if an accidental discharge occurs during a pointing incident during this “phase out” process? That amc message opened up the city for liability by not immediately ceasing the carry/use of the sig.
Absurd. Notice that the department didn’t provide an explanation for the phase out. No reimbursement, no nothing. This department hates us.
I haven't been a recruit for over 20 yrs, but I don't remember getting a uniform allowance while I was in the academy. I would bet most of the banned P320s were bought while POs were recruits in the academy when they weren't receiving a uniform allowance. That for sure sounds like a huge grievance.
O.T Looks like the D-Unit is getting raided again to supplement patrol with deployments throughout the summer potentially ! It's not like they have any investigations to work on or anything as such !
Buy one of those DAO 9mm Ruger pistols. Work well, and cheap.
OT: Can we talk about the officer assigned to the Mayor’s Detail who was arrested in Skokie after a road rage incident?
Nothing wrong with the Sig 320. That said, I usually carry a 1911.
Only way. The union is useless unless you're connected.
They can’t find anyone competent enough to make the changes to the order.
Yea, spontaneous discharge at the one time a person was pointing the pistol at their heads.
You’re an idiot!
Yo SCC some comments are not getting published, no blog rules were broken nor anything that would offend anyone. Are the comments being dumped somewhere you are not aware of?
I hope they hit gunbroker.com.
You double dog dare him? You're a stroke!
Anyone interested in purchasing my Glock 22 .40 cal that is gently used let me know. I am retired and carry a smaller pistol now so no more need for the 22.
None.
Only in Hollwood and the internet does a conspiracy like that hold water. A Dic who is halfway competent at their job, along with the ME, can usually tell if it was suicide or not.
But it's the best job on the department!? /sarc
Please do. I wanna know.
Great choice!
And how many hours of transition training on company time with city supplied ammunition will be allowed? You (if you are smart) just don't get a new gun and carry it with out training and practice. About 1000 rounds sounds reasonable.
from the 2020 U04-02 para IV.A.3 "not carry more than two exposed handguns" please tell me some hard charger wears two guns, old west style! A picture of that would be even funnier than the chic with the upside down pistol.
This is a very interesting concept, SIG would be liable for millions.
Nobody cares! Nobody cares! I would say high probability of being a future meritorious leader of the men and women of the CPD.
We did get a uniform allowance in the academy in the 90's.
Can a low seniority detective be forced to push a beat car again? Axing for a friend.
Oh! Calm down.
Yes tell us
Would like to hear that
Sig 320 great trigger in part due to a perfectly balanced sear engagement. A cocked 1911 style 1.73 lbs trigger pull with no safety to impede 1st to last trigger pull. Polishing that sear as some gun aficionados do after every day at the range or before they go to bed at nite be a problem waiting to happen. Get U a G17 21 round duty gun for to cut weight on belt & save $ or get U a 226RM-9-LEGION-SAO 21round duty gun F the weight & $. When responding to calls KNOW where your rifle is at during daylight. At Night operations switch to your rifle if solo car, especially if U are backup car/overwatch. Your District is NOT Mayberry RFD & your backup maybe Barney or Betty Fife.
How far back in time does that lawsuit for overtime go? What period of time dues it cover?
Please tell more
Hey let me buy you a pack of gum I’ll show you how to chew it
I always thought Sigs were too heavy and overpriced.
This.
Come on man don’t just give us the tip, whip it all out. Spill the beans
OT Jagoff George Ryan is dead. #1 race hustler to let the condemned escape the needle. Next should be Quinn who signed it into law.
Ive got the P97 dao....in .45 for alternate carry
Only the late side can refuse. Early side will do as told.
The Shit-cago MEDIA has a BIG STORY on this topic of a dangerous duty weapon out there in the public.
Haaa.. Just kidding 🤣
Fuckin' useless as usual.
Scc tip. Sheriff Dart reportedly has filed for 5th term under possible FBI probe.
Drake Carpenter and Aracelis Gotay, who were the assistant executive director and director for incident command respectively, claim the Sheriff’s Office abruptly fired them two years later only after they raised allegations in their third amended complaint that “Sheriff Dart forced employees at the DOC [Department of Corrections], including plaintiffs, to volunteer without pay for his reelection campaign to give him an unfair advantage over his opponents.”
In November, the court ruled that their claims of retaliation for protected speech could proceed. According to court records, their case is pending settlement approval by the Cook County Board of Commissioners. The terms of the settlement have not been publicly disclosed.
Pagani’s complaint, which was initially filed in December 2024, raises similar allegations about employees forced to work for Dart’s 2022 reelection campaign.
In March, Dart kicked off his fifth bid for reelection.
You probably didn't. The city didn't pay them and duty avaliablity for awhile.
Tip Dart
https://southsideweekly.com/lawsuit-accuses-sheriff-of-retaliation-over-fraud-investigation/
Wasn't sgt JB the armor years ago?
Sheriff is 4-yr terms? Dart 6th term? Clown has been in since 06. He hasn't terrorized enough people, apparently
https://cook-county.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=7289550&GUID=64D44430-173D-4626-B1E9-517E71C52A79&Options=&Search=
He never admitted that he did anything wrong. What a defiant until the end POS. Were it not for that pastor that lost his entire family, we still would not know.
Hearing rumors that Barz went to retire yesterday, and blew a gasket because they would not give him his retirement credentials. Something about an open number & suspension upcoming. Anyone have the info?
My FTO always said, that "a detective aint nothing but a dog ass patrolman".
Do the Navy seals still use Sigs?
Oh look. Here’s that disgruntled jail guard again. Stop with your OT BS. Nobody here gives two fucks what Dart does.
He let them off because he knew he was going to prison. He wanted to buy some goodwill so he wouldn’t be Tyrone’s bitch. And it worked
seriousness:
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I didn’t want to sound the alarm—but someone had to. Owners of the Sig Sauer P320 deserved to know there may be a grave safety risk lurking in their holsters. How long the department plans to sit on this potentially explosive issue is anyone’s guess—but silence is not an option.
Sig Sauer has long been hailed as a gold standard in firearms, a Swiss powerhouse with a legacy of precision and reliability. But even the best can falter. If this weapon is truly flawed, the company must act decisively—no half-measures, no spin. Lives could be at stake. In an imperfect world, vigilance is not optional—it’s our duty. Especially when our families, our children, and our fellow officers are nearby.
What’s even more disturbing is the added pressure on our officers—many of them with teenage kids—already crushed by inflation and broken promises. The city made a deal. The FOP contract demands that they honor it. But leadership? It’s a trainwreck. And this won’t be the last betrayal. It’s just the latest in a long line of failures that leave our officers holding the bag—again.
Be safe, follow your training and always be prepared to transition into your next career.
I’ve read stories that make me think it is defective. But that totally unprofessional, bullshit statement would make me not give them any money. It’s unbelievable, but sounds like some politicians. “It’s all lies, they’re out to get me, I’m being persecuted, they’re coming after me to take your rights away”. T hey see it works for some people. lol
I don't have one. Apparently Sig will do a free upgrade on yours.
https://www.sigsauer.com/p320-voluntary-upgrade-program
BIA hiding guns 👀🤥https://youtu.be/Jf1lfaFB044?si=4TEC_4fmYVt09u0O
9th period
Gun vendors like Acme will give u $200 or so and then they'll profit off your loss. Don't deal with them
OT: Anyone run across one of these entitled POS's? In Chicago, COPA would go after the cop who broke the car window, not the resister.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBOpRJtSsFQ
We can only hope.
New Lt assignments are out
You must have a short time on the job.
Here is what will happen:
The Dept./City will put you in a no pay status for not having a duty weapon.
You could lose your house as well as a lot of other shit because you were not getting paid.
You will probably win the case/grievance YEARS down the line.
THE ANSWER: File a grievance now and just buy another gun and holster. Wait for the grievance to be won years down the line.
Keep doing NOTHING and just keep gettin' paid.
Get a pension, THEN get the fuck out of here like the rest of us will.
The dumb-fuck should have known ahead of time before he walked in on retirement day.
BTW; 01 May to 31 December is the only time that sergeants, lieutenants and captains can retire to get the Age 55 to 59 insurance deal every year.
So her probably tried on the 1st available day.
FUCK HIM.
Beretta Storm compact DASA alternate carry
SIG Sauer P226 MK25
back around 1995 didn't some recruit with limp wrist on the range got a sig to jam up? the range people couldn't duplicate it, sig notified and couldn't duplicate, even fbi. nation wide no other problems, if you still wanted to carry a sig, you had to go to the range and had range ofc do something to the gun and then stamp it to show it was fixed! anyone remember this?
Dart became Sheriff to make law firms wealthy. Someone has to run against that buffoon.
May 5 Cinco de mayor is "Gun Day" ? Irony
I find it ridiculous that a bunch of coppers making a good salary and receive a uniform/gear allowance are crying about buying a new pistol. These are the same Millennials that will cry about spending $1000 on a firearm (a lifesaving tool that you will last a lifetime), duty holster and magazines...but have no problem spending thousands on a new phone or some lights on their Jeep (either of which will last only a few years). {snicker} Sell that P320 now and recoup some money and then do your homework buying a new firearm that you can depend your life on. Crybabies.
To be fair the US military and Pentagon selected this firearm as a pistol fit for military use by our fighting men and women. Can't blame the CPD for thinking our own military would never buy a dangerously defective pistol. (And don't give me that crap that theirs is different because it has a manual safety. They've been having the same problem with defective internals and NDs.) Interesting to see what the USMC investigation that started this week will discover...
Thanks for this Paul...but let's make this clear. Sig Sauer is no longer "a Swiss powerhouse". That Swiss-German company that created the legendary P220 and P226 are long long gone. Sig Sauer was bought out by shady American businessmen and moved its headquarters to New Hampshire in 2007. It has never been the same company since and the military-contract corruption and infamous poor quality control are what the Sig label is more known for. As a patriotic American and longtime Sig-fan this is heartbreaking.
Furthermore...the CPD is in a much better position than most departments over this dumpster-fire. We have several options for a duty pistol and get a generous uniform allowance. Most departments are dirt-poor and their one and only option for a duty pistol was a P320.
You have a P320 which means you’ve probably got under 3 years on. Keep up the entitled millennial attitude. See you on midnights stroke!
Alec Baldwin is now claiming his gun was a Sig !
Whoops looks like I hit a sore spot, sorry guys I posted the comment when I was upset at Gibsons over-cooking my steak ! I can still sit in a patrol car and watch Netflix like the rest of y'all
That should be included in the forthcoming grievance.
Take the offer friend. The P320 is the 2009 Toyota (or 1977 Ford Pinto) of firearms. The gun store shelves are filling up with used P320s...bought from their original owners for $175 or less. The Sig company will file for bankruptcy in the next few years. By the same time next year you won't be able to give your P320 away for free. Fact.
They just worship the name, Sig.
On CPD notifications on FB, you can find the link (or search yourself on youtube...) a video by a renowned firearms instructor named DJ Shipley, came out 3 days ago to help with your search. He's pretty good at showing you what might cause the malfunctions. Check it out. Personally if I owned a P320, I'd leave it in the safe for a bit. Sincerely people, I'm retired and don't get the uniform check anymore. When I was full time, I made sure that I bought at least a gun a year. There should be no belly aching about buying a new sidearm. It will keep you and your partner alive, at the very least. That kind of insurance has no price. See you at St Judes!
I want to be as cool as you one day
Hahaha it was on WGN
From the early designs and early models of the p320 the sear has the ability to be prone to rounding of the sear and the ability to fire without depressing of the original triggers from videos. The pistols some serials would sometimes fire fully holstered and without depression of the trigger. It wasn’t drop safe also on some p320s produced and would fire at certain angles or with a rubber mallet at the rear. Sig replaced the trigger with a different one. This may have fixed the issues? Certain serials weren’t built with the quality as prior Sigs or the quality control wasn’t there on the sear. Since it’s a striker fire pistol this pistol has the spring at full tension. a manual safety would disengage the sear and make it drop safe etc. they didn’t choose to do that from what I read.
As far as striker pistols that are fully vetted there’s the Glocks, HK VP series Smith & Wessons etc. my HK vp9sk is the only striker fire pistol I carry a manual safety, but it has a flawless safety trigger and multiple internal safeties. I love HK nothing better imao except maybe a Glock. The Glocks are also very torture tested and drop safe etc.
I carry a Sig p229 DO SA although it’s a heavy pistol. But its build quality is better than most current Sigs. A hammer fired pistol is more expensive to make. My micro is a FN reflex with an internal hammer and no manual safety.
I agree that attacking their customers wasn’t prudent. Lots of great pistols out there that tried and true. The build quality of the early Sig P320 just wasn’t the quality of previous Sigs. The military version has a manual safety so the issue wasn’t there. I’ve owned a few pistols that had these kind of problems that were fixed but I still got rid of them after them being fixed a FN. IMO if the gun has any discharges from drop safe or internal issues I get rid and replace that pistol. Stay safe…
DJ Shipley is a proven paid promoter for Sig Sauer. He lacks credibility. Watch several other actual gunsmiths and firearm trainers on YouTube about the defective pot-metal internals (made in India and Indonesia) and third-world P320 design keeping the firing pin in a cocked but rearward position. Very sus. Look up the YT channels "Regular Guy Training LLC - Why the Sig P320 Was Never Good" or "Joey Russo - Why I No Longer Use the P320".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmxRLDzLmhM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuJ0U4D5Kic&t=192s
"How far back in time does that lawsuit for overtime go? What period of time dues it cover?"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It goes back to 2014 for VRI
Milwaukee PD had to scrap their entire dept inventory of the Sig P320, for the Glock 9mm. Multiple discharges while the weapon was holstered. This was within the last year, or so. Some were captured on BWC.
How much?
Reference 5 May at 0738: Regarding SIG P320 Accidental Discharge with Milwaukee being on BWC. At least BWC is good for something and has at least one actual benefit.
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