Interesting Opinion
You have no Rights as a police officer?
A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit in which the union representing front-line Chicago police officers accused the city’s police oversight agency, COPA, of flawed investigations that violate due process and equal treatment rights.
U.S. District Judge Jorge Alonso found that the officers have no constitutional right to a fair and impartial investigation. Furthermore, Alonso found that none of the officers have suffered employment consequences because they either successfully defeated COPA’s recommended suspensions through arbitration or their arbitration decisions are still pending.
We understand the second part of that paragraph - if you've suffered no harm, you don't really have a case to bring before the courts.
However, "no constitutional right to a fair and impartial investigation"?
Look, we get it that when on-duty, in uniform, as the lowest functionary of government, you have very limited Rights, like no Freedom of Speech and your peace cannot be violated. That's understood.
But no right to a fair and impartial investigation? What kind of message is that sending to everyone, police and citizens alike? In this age of weaponized law-fare, the process becomes the punishment (OT denials, restricted promotions, etc), and the process sucks ass.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
51 Comments:
"No constitutional right to a fair and impartial investigation"
So does that apply to ALL employees no matter what their occupation is?
No Freedom of Speech? I highly doubt that bc I’ve many, way too many, “bosses” take a knee for St Floyd or other expressions while On Duty. Seems like that was their freedom of speech to buckle like bit&@es.
That fucking John Marshall DEI hire judge. Was he appointed by Obumer or Sleepy Joe..
U.S. District Judge Jorge Alonso was appointed by Obama, what more needs to be said.
Unfortunately this is karma for JCant allowing the city and department to circumvent the canine test and promote people who should not be bomb dog handlers. FOP made a deal with the devil getting who knows what in return. They threw out mine and over a dozen other grievances “because we can”. When you allow the process to be compromised, and participate in the corruption dont be surprised when it comes back to bite you in the ass, JCant. The city owns you clowns regardless of the tough guy persona act you put on. You’re a phony and they knew it, called you on it and continue to punk your ass out regularly. Don’t like seeing good coppers suffer but it makes me smile to see this pretend union defeated. Fuck you John, your getting just a small taste of what you deserve.
Take so time off to fix your medical ailments. You’re paying your insurance monthly premiums anyway. Department wants you dead. Judges revoke your basic rights to a fair trail. Seniority doesn’t mean shit anymore.
That’s why I have lost all respect for the court system under the Democrat’s.
Why do anything anymore. You will be screwed.
The media, elected politicians, bosses and idiots messed this job up. Most officers don’t enjoy doing police work and try their hardest to do nothing. The city and the public are paying the price for it.
No right to a fair and impartial investigation can mean that two officers can commit the same offense, but after considering complimentary and disciplinary histories the punishment can be different. One officer can be a repeat offender and the other officer can commit an act of omission without intent.
Alonso originally from Cuba was a public defender for 11 years before being appointed to the Federal Bench by Barack Obama.
I remember when Alonso first made judge and was assigned to traffic court. Hr always ruled for the defendant. Kind of surprising since he's anti police since he is Cuban and from Florida.
This is basically a carte blanche for those who hate the law and the police to do whatever they want.
Retired in Texas……
And they are still trying to figure out why no one wants this job………
Stay safe out there…
Constitutional rights do apply, even to police, and all the time. Fucking idiot judge
Disgusting opinion by the judge.
POs aren't second class citizens. We are more like North Korean citizens.
The Democrats and their judges are nothing but a dictatorship they have ruined this country. They are seething President Trump is making the necessary changes. You have to stay completely away from the Democrats nothing but everything wrong with society they are criminally responsible for everything they do actually as we all know they favor criminals.
We tried, good job. Now save our dues money for the residency lawsuit.
Someone finally admitted the truth what we've been saying all along. An illegal has more rights in this state than a police officer.
Well....sounds like the DOJ needs to step in as well as the union needs to file a suit with the United States Supreme Court.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_L._Alonso
Another police hating Obama commie.
No surprise.
Judge Jorge? Hmmmmm.
He’s a communist born in Cuba and appointed by Obama of course he hates the police..
We will never get a fair opinion from any demicRAT judge in this shithole. Only shitheads and criminals get the best deals from these political judges and believe it, every single one of them are political puppets
Anonymous complaints negate habeus corpus rights. Hearsay evidence is welcomed by copa as well.
I don’t get the second part as officers in callback are “suffering employment consequences”. They are missing out on overtime, experience and promotions. There is also the mental anguish of being on the island and having to fight those commies. It’s an exhausting uphill battle that most do not walk away from unscathed.
Would like to see other decisions this judge has made as I cam bet what side of the aisle he’s on.
WOW, a former assistant public defender appointed by barack HUSSEIN obama voted against the police ?! What a shocker !
It's just another nail into the coffin of law enforcement. Then they wonder why they can't fill uniforms anymore. Could they make the job any less desirable, at this point?
While I understand the reaction to the comment about no constitutional rights, I think this is the other side of the Implied Immunity coin. If LEOs can't be held accountable for harm to an individual person when performing their job, then you would expect a cost for that immunity.
They view police as the dog crap on the bottom of their Birkenstocks yet officers are still running around be aggressive chasing that scumbag who is a democrat darling. Stop, policing is dead don't out yourselves in the cross hairs of the anti police government here in Illinois. Sit back, watch Netflix and collect the checks.
Why is anyone surprised? A rather dimwitted Obama leftist judge thinks some people have no rights. That's also what Obama thought. The next time you are thinking about "fairness" think about exempts and fair promotional testing.
Hopefully this is appealed.
This puts an exclamation point on, look, laugh, leave. Do the bare minimum.
I bet a convicted felon appearing before this judge would get an entirely different take on whether they are entitled to a fair and objective investigation.
Above all, law enforcement and military 🪖 have CONSTITUTIONAL rights. Answering to phony baloney civilian racist propaganda clowns is bullshit. And ya wonder why Chicago and Ilinois and their fat governor are tyrants to Americans.
NO right to a fair and impartial investigation? Cops are NOT above the law, but certainly should not be relegated BENEATH it due to incompetency of a judge. Hope his statement is on the court record, take that all the way up to the SC!
I hope it applies to Federal Judges as well.
Fuck that clown!
John getting a small taste of what he deserves?
And what would that small taste be?
Please, let us know!
He still has his salary (whatever a Deputy is making these days), an expense account, and a take home truck.
Keep taking it in the ass while you pay those union dues! J-Cat thanks you!
So they want the police to stop doing anything since we don't have a right to a fair investigation. Ok, got it. Let it burn, see how they like it when the city turns into Mogadishu.
It can also mean that copa can go back a few weeks and look at every traffic stop you made and use that against you.
It can also mean that iad can go way out of their way, violating your contract to fuck you…
I wouldn’t start talking to a realtor just yet.
Us winning the residency ain’t gonna happen anytime soon.
Tell us Johnny, what exactly is “implied immunity”?
We’re all ears!
I don’t get the second part as officers in callback are “suffering employment consequences”. They are missing out on overtime, experience and promotions. There is also the mental anguish of being on the island and having to fight those commies. It’s an exhausting uphill battle that most do not walk away from unscathed.
Would like to see other decisions this judge has made as I cam bet what side of the aisle he’s on.
4/30/2025 08:00:48 AM
Probably our attorneys who presented the case probably did a piss poor job of explaining our position
I guess you haven't paid attention to the last 10- 15 years of LEOs being fired, sued and incarcerated. I.E. Chauvin, VanDyke, The Memphis P.O.s etc... Illinois and Chicago do not have qualified immunity for police. States and municipalities that do have some level of qualified immunity can still punish officers for wrong doing. Thinking it's OK to not guarantee rights of police from biased investigation will only create more "US Vs. Them" between Police and the public.
It was dismissed without prejudice. Hopefully, it can be modified and refiled.
Can the union appeal his decision
Officers CAN be held accountable for harm to a person while doing their job if it’s shown they knowingly did something improper with malicious intent. The term is also qualified immunity. So many civilians think qualified immunity means we can do whatever we want and there’s no civil repercussion's, that’s not at all what it means. There’s been plenty of coppers who have been hit with punitive damages in court. What qualified immunity grants is that as long as you’re doing your job, in good faith, you can’t lose your house and all your money. I’m chasing a murder offender, I tackle him and he smacks his head on the ground and gets a brain injury, I was acting in good faith within the bounds of my job, he can sue all he wants, but he’s not getting my personal money or assets. That’s what the immunity is. If I tackle him then stomp his head a few times, not only am I going to prison, I’d also open myself up to be paying punitive damages. So, this isn’t the “cost” for the immunity. So because police have qualified immunity, therefore that means we can have malicious investigations opened up into us and get us fired for whatever reason? And then you immediately chime in about how awesome that is and that’s what you get for having qualified immunity. And you wonder why police in this city do nothing and we are several thousand of positions short. It’s very much so because of people like you who think that it’s great if cops have malicious and biased investigations done against them. With that being said, whatever, I haven’t made a traffic stop or arrest in years at this point, and I plan on keeping it that way. So next time you see someone blowing a red light or doing something stupid in front of a cop, and the cop does nothing, just remember, it’s your fault. As long as those checks keep clearing twice a month, it’s all copacetic big dog.
This sets precedence to the state and country, any of you thinking of doing anything on this job other than your calls are fucking stupid. You will continue not to get any 10-1 benefits from plenty of LEOs for you thinking this department has your back...
The prejudice isa big fu to the fop and JCat. The judge obviously hates the police.
J cuck is winning.
I read the lawsuit. They could’ve chosen better cases to take to federal court. They chose their friends instead.
But in your example, all of the evidence regarding those two officers was taken into account, which by definition would be "fair". Wouldn't the judge's statement mean just the opposite? That if we don't happen to like you or your methods, or your race / ethnicity doesn't fit our ideological template, then we'll just ignore certain facts or evidence or conversely, apply certain facts and evidence, in order to achieve a specific end? And that's okay because officers aren't entitled to "fair and impartial" investigations?
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