Indiana???
Chicago's Civilian Office of Police Accountability late Thursday was investigating a police shooting that happened across the state line in Hammond, Indiana.
Chicago Police were reportedly chasing a suspect, and the chase ended in a crash near Dearborn Avenue and Gostlin Street in Hammond, about two blocks east of the Illinois-Indiana state line.
That was where the shooting occurred.
As of late Thursday night, there had been no word from Chicago Police on the condition of the person shot by officers.
We're pretty sure COPA has zero investigative authority outside of city limits, and if we were an Indiana official, we'd make sure they stayed the f#$% on their side of the border - "you'll get our report after our investigation is complete."
All Officers are said to be okay.
Labels: shooting
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
69 Comments:
Thoes officers want to chase suspend them immediately! What’s it gonna take to get the point across … the city doesn’t want these people in jail and they wrote GO’s to protect them from CPD in forms of no chase policy’s. What’s it gonna take for the rank and file to let these people go and give the city what they want ? Suspend them starting with 90 days pending let’s see how long it takes to get the message across ! No sympathy whatsoever
The official statement on the shooting
https://x.com/TAhern_/status/1920694247407206412
Pronounced at the hospital around 1845hrs
i thought chasing in CPD was banned
Copa hires the lawyers that could not get a real job out of law school. Bottom of the barrel.
Yikes, hope the coppers are ok.
Just reading the brief synopsis it sounds like a can of worms I wouldn’t want to open.
Didn’t they see your memo on vehicle pursuits?
A shooting…and yes heads will roll (mostly blue shirts) after it’s all said and done.
Carjacking task force strikes again , ha ha all the idiots that say they have special power since they’re task force , what do you say now ,,,,,, copa is still on scene and investigating do you know why you’re a employee of CPD not state not county not atf not the marshals you’re CPD idiots
That’s pretty much what they were told!!
Copa hates this one cool trick, just step over the border to do your shooting next time.
Wow!
Even the criminals are leaving illinois!
would be nice to hear a copa member was arrested for interfering with an investigation in Indiana
OT: Has anyone seen the new HOT DESK that has been installed in the stations computers? No e-learning on it to explain how it works...doesn't seem like it even works yet, anyone else having trouble with it?
Goes to show how useless the ILSTB or really is. The anti police jagoffs want to create a fake LE investigative body and the State is powerless to stop them.
Reason # 4037 why I don’t do a goddam thing anymore. COPA owns this no good department.
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/16YztxiTy1/
I would have loved to be a the Hammond cop that kicked COPA out
"I didn't shoot at anyone who didn't start shooting at me first"
Inspector Harry Callahan San Francisco Police Dept. Retired
Yep, tell COPA where to go when they enter Indiana..
Ain’t got nothing on The Blues Brothers.
Great job. Called called in out in hegwisch and said he sees the guy who shot him a few weeks ago on 134 and Baltimore. Says he’s armed with a gun. Caller gives a description of bad guy and car. Beat cars respond. Caller is on scene and speaks with officers. Caller points out offender who runs into the car and takes off. Officers give chase. He goes about a mile and a half and crashes one block over the Indiana line. He gets out, starts shooting at the officers and they return fire killing him. He fa and fo.. great work officers.
They don’t need your sympathy you mutt.. they actually did a fantastic job chasing an attempted murder suspect who was pointed out by a victim on scene who told them he had a gun when he took off. He crashed about 2 blocks into Indiana. He started shootikg at the police and the police finished the job. Don’t be angry because they are not angry, jaded and bitter cowards like yourself. Let me guess?? You’re a former or current prisoner at 376??? Just because you screwed up doesn’t mean everyone does.. these officers will easily be cleared in this one and I’m sure honored numerous times. They can try to file the lawsuit but the BWC and private video, along with the victim who called 911 are all fantastic. Great work to the 004 officers.
If it was a Task Force car doing the chasing who was the driver? Maybe it was a state or federal officer at the wheel who doesn't have a no chase policy hanging over his head? Illinois law permits state and municipal law enforcement to chase into any state contiguous with Illinois except Kentucky. That was a question on an old Sgt’s exam in Chicago.
Tally is that you?
So they risked their lives and careers and possibly prison for some shithead who is the victim today and offender tomorrow? Got it...smdh Fuck them should have waved and smiled and kept it moving. Fuck these urban parasites
It's obvious the officers did not try to deescalate the situation by informing the man shooting at them he was in violation of numerous State of Indiana criminal statutes and would have to return to Illinois to commit his crimes enabling him to be eligible for Sheriff Darts (cut off your ankle ) bracelet program. The Hammond police are also guilty of not having signs posted that let the obviously now frightened shooter that his legal rights to commit crime ( per Illinois criminal statutes) would be violated since crime is still illegal in Indiana, unlike Illinois, where crime, along with weed, has been legalized. Illinois Attorney General Kwame Raoul will file appropriate charges against Indiana police officers for their extradition to face numerous civil right violations. Prison time will be recommended for all. All CPD officers will also be prosecuted for violations of state statutes legalizing crime. Loevy and Loevy attorneys have been dispatched and are on scene to secure the usual large cash payout and make the demand "no justice, no peace.."
Wizz past the wreck on the way to the Horseshoe, notify the locals and have a nice meal, say hello to friends...
SHOULDA, WOULDA COULDA.
After the shooting, I hope the officers got some fireworks and lottery tickets...sounds like a clean shoot. Except for the chase. Hopefully, they were just following...
Based on preliminary reports, officers should be fine unless a supervisor terminated the chase before the chaos ensued.
Only thing I would say is that once in Indiana, we are subject to Indiana laws which we are not trained on. Who gives the "order" to speak to Indiana investigators? Does an FOP attorney have a legal license in Indiana to represent us?
004 is a little crazy, there's something in the water on that side of Chicago that makes the citizens nutty and the clowns scary. When you look at the numbers on houses as you drive on east/west streets and those numbers are getting bigger, you are going east, not west as in the rest of the city.
Regardless of your opinions on their decision to chase, say a prayer for those officers as anyone who has been there knows, sh÷t happens faster than light speed.
I'm glad our IRT team is there but they really have no jurisdiction to investigate in Indiana (or do they?). Decision to clear the officers (or not) ultimately rests with Hammond and / or Indiana state police .
It was a beat car.
Why would you need an eLearning module on something that is self explanatory? It's simple to use even for dinosaurs.
This sounds suspiciously like good police work
Very dangerous rule to follow.
Great job by the heroic Chicago Police! To all you pussies that say you shouldn't chase...fuck you! We are lucky there are still officers out there putting their asses on the line, while do-nothings like you make excuses. Thank you to the real police. This scumbag was a killer, and could have killed another copper or your family member! What the fuck is wrong with you, you're gonna let this guy get away to continue shooting and killing! No way!
COPA will still and can investigate this incident as the officers are still employees.Hot pursuit gives the CPD authority to cross the state line.
I believe the officers involved are well and truly screwed.
That said, this would be my version if I was one of the officers:
"When the (alleged) offender fled, we did not pursue. We merely traveled in the same general direction trying to keep him in sight while notifying Hammond PD that it appeared he was going to enter their jurisdiction. When he crashed, we entered Indiana solely for the purpose of rendering aid as is our duty as officers and human beings. When the (alleged) offender opened fire on us, we used only the amount and type of force a reasonable person would deem necessary to defend ourselves."
You are the problem
You are certainly an ASSHOLE! Not knowing the whole situation you are condemning the officers that are doing the work that they were hired to do!!
This post sums it up.
Get a clue kids, this shit isn’t as sweet as you seem to think it is. Now bend over and get ready.
Even as you try to dress it up, it doesn’t pass a lot of the questions will be asked.
I know you’re trying to help them out, and 20 years ago that would be good police work. Not today though.
You’ve got a known offender, which isn’t helpful when chasing. Catch him later.
As far as the officers knew, it was a one-eyeball case (unless they had further info) and in all likelihood had potential to get rejected by felony review.
And then you have a 3rd party statement about a gun- no bueno. The officers never saw it, it was related to them. Can’t chase on hearsay.
Wrong it was 004th District officers. Bt. Officers at that. Maybe do a little research next time
Isn’t arresting criminals one of the reasons citizens become police officers.
They are going to rot in call-back for many years. Was it worth chasing?
Great POLICE work,the above statement must be from a white shirt that actually has some paper work to do.
Keep up the good work.White shirt call your boss at home and tell her you will be late tonight. Earn your extra money.
Hell yea. Keep up the good work! Don’t let these jaded cry babies stop you from cleaning up the streets.
Indiana wants me, Lord, I can’t go back there…
When they want us to be the police they will tell us.
I do agree with you but I believe you're missing everyone's point!
What a mess...but at least the Indiana authorities, unlike COPA, support the police.
A few department members are licensed attorneys in Indiana and Illinois. There used to be a sgt or lt at the academy that was?
Yes, it was. Good job officers
So you would lie? The officers here don’t need to lie, they did a great job. But a know it all like you thinks they are smarter than GPS, cameras and eyewitnesses.. stop trying to outsmart everyone and just justify your actions by using your brain.. not lying about everything.
STFU you imbecile. You are completely clueless as to how things work in todays climate. “Thank you to the ‘real police’”, you say? Yeah, real DUMB police… there, I fixed it for you.
This mutt didn’t shoot a copper or a coppers family member or anyone worth putting your ass - and assets - on the line for. You need to understand that not every hand-waver is preaching the gospel. In fact, the majority either make up or exaggerate the story they’re telling you in order to get you to perform. And even if it turns out what they’re telling you IS the truth, you’re still bound by rules and regulations. Said rules and regulations not to be ignored or circumvented, except in extreme situations and only if you’re cool that the consequences may include penalties up to and including loss of employment, assets and possibly imprisonment .
I GUARANTEE these dummies involved are gonna pay a price when all is said and done. In fact, you can start by their 30 day time out where they won’t be able to work special or side gigs (assuming they do). Yes, this IS punitive. So they’re gonna get hit on the front end AND they’re gonna get hit on the back end when they catch “X” amount of days for the litany of rules violations they committed. I won’t even get into the fact that our current criminal justice system isn’t going to do a fucking thing to the offender at the end of the day.
It’s rather simple… learn the current rules and adapt accordingly or be prepared to be raked over the coals of political correctness. Save being a hero for when it actually matters.
Flame away now, all you dolts who still refuse to see the writing on the wall.
Me and disgraced ex Sgt Lori Cooper passed scene on our way to the Horseshit Carsino. Bwahahaha. Bring us another drink and deal the cards beotch. Bwahahahaha.
My question. A slug p.o vs a proactive p.o check the same or more?
You’re a dog
To "JustHereForThePaycheck", your name says it all. I just retired after 30 years...on the street. So don't tell me about policing in today's "climate". YOU are the 90%...the dogasses of this job. YOU make excuses as to why you don't work hard anymore. But in reality YOU NEVER worked hard. And you know it. YOU are ashamed of yourself when coppers do the Lord's work, so you lash out and make excuses. YOU love when coppers get jammed up, so you can say, "Told 'ya so!" I've seen guys like you my whole career. And I got the fuck away from you because I knew you were worthless. I never counted on your dumbass to help when I needed it because I knew you were a non-factor on this job. I knew who would be there for me...The REAL Police, as you so ineptly derided the term. Everyone on this job knows, deep down, who they are. They are the 10%! They are the ones putting their asses on the line while you hide in the hole and make excuses why "I just can't work in this police climate anymore!" Don't worry though. The real police will catch the guys raping, carjacking, robbing and burglarizing your family members for you. That's what they do...EVERY DAY. I am proud to say I worked on a department with guys like these coppers from 004. And I am also ashamed to say I worked on a department with a fucking goof that calls himself "JustHerForThePaycheck".
Thus endeth the lesson...
If you weren’t there then you don’t know the facts. Both officers did an outstanding job against a determined offender who was trying to kill them both.
COPA is not CPD. If the offices in Indiana don't want them interfering with their investigation then COPA is shit out of luck. They have to request Indiana paperwork and then investigate back a the old Goldblatt's building. They have NO jurisdiction in Indiana.
Proactive gets paid more……More overtime! I’ve compared the checks of both types of officers for years. Also, proactive officers have better looking wives, smarter kids, and nicer homes. Proactive officers go to church more often and bake more cookies for charity. Summed up I’ll rather live next to a proactive officer with a lifted jeep, Trump flag, and neatly cut grass.
To "JustHereForThePaycheck", your name says it all. I just retired after 30 years...on the street.
So what you’re saying is that you weren’t smart enough to figure it out in 3 decades. Got it.
As others have said, my check for doing nothing more than what is required of me … as in NOTHING PROACTIVE… is the same as yours. Actually more as I’m not 9161. I handled whatever business came my way via dispatched jobs or assigned cases. Never shied away from responsibility and never cut corners. Buy I knew early on that THIS IS JUST A JOB. A PAYCHECK.
And this job? Well, it’s all about ME. No numbers games. No ass kissing to get to a unit. No extra nothing because some supervisor wanted movers or Parker’s or curfews. I did what was best for ME. Paycheck and healthcare and a pension. And 2 promotions on my own merits.
So enlighten us all with how much you saved humanity and made a difference with your altruistic approach to what you should have known was JUST A JOB. You’re one of many of the useful idiots that this department depends on to make it go. Be proud of that fact 😂🤣. Me? I’m JustHereForThePaycheck
The coppers critiquing coppers that still work hard are the ones that got the Covid shot bc they were scared of the flu. They are neutered and live their lives scared. These coppers never actually worked the streets bc they were scared but gladly used the climate as the excuse to be dogs. I know plenty of good hard working cops that have never been to callback or been in the slightest bit of trouble. It’s a shame how scared and pathetic these dogs are it’s borderline cowardice
I wasn't go to reply, but I feel I must. By your own admission you lost your way early on in your career. But I think I have a way to get you back on track. At the next St. Jude, seek out Carlos Yanez. He was shot in the face and his partner, Ella French, was murdered. Tell Carlos that you think this is JUST A JOB, JUST A PAYCHECK! Or maybe seek out Alex Valadez's son, Alex Junior. Tell him that his father died for JUST A JOB, JUST A PAYCHECK. If you can't wait until St. Jude, go to central detention and seek out the Sergeant there. He was shot and his partner, John Knight, was killed during a stop. I'm sure he would love to hear your assessment of what being a Chicago Police Officer means. YOU need to look in the mirror brother. This was NEVER JUST A JOB!! I hope you take these words to heart. It's never too late to come back to be what you aspired to in the academy. If you don't, I pity you.
I’ll put my whole OT check that JustHereForThePaycheck probably loves letting people know they’re the police. I’ve seen so many dog ass officers that love letting people know they’re the police but have never done a single arrest because they’re “JustHereForTheCheck”
These young officers were fired upon 6 times and amazing weren’t struck. They both returned fire and by the way their sergeant was in the scene the whole time. Great work
Good luck with this one! It isn’t that’s officers that you call dinosaurs are obsolete. We patrolled in a different era with little department orders that restrict how we policed. We are the only profession that is told how to do our job by someone who has never worn a duty belt. It’s like telling a heart surgeon how to complete an operation.
You have BWC, In car cameras, no chase order, no foot chase order, all to allow these convicts to flee without prosecution. You can take the advice given by old timers or not, we didn’t have tasers when I started policing it was all hands on. If you think this department won’t rail road you look at the Toledo & van dyke cases. The only reason the officer involved in Toledo death wasn’t prosecuted was his split second decision and one precise shot. We that work the streets know that there are a lot of gray areas that aren’t in the textbook. I always like that one saying from the movie End of Watch “I see you guys out here being good company men, doing Gods work, making a difference as you call it, one day mark my words CPD is going to bend you over your blue and white and they are going to fuck you up the ass, they are going fuck you so long and so hard you are going to want to eat your gun.” Words to live by!
Well said brother. I learned to listen to the veterans!
This is facts. Seen it happen to many of my fellow officers over the last 17 years
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