Reminder
The future is here....and it's disturbing (February 2024 article):
Over the last decade, police departments across the U.S. have spent millions of dollars equipping their officers with body-worn cameras that record what happens as they go about their work. Everything from traffic stops to welfare checks to responses to active shooters is now documented on video.
The cameras were pitched by national and local law enforcement authorities as a tool for building public trust between police and their communities in the wake of police killings of civilians like Michael Brown, an 18 year old black teenager killed in Ferguson, Missouri in 2014. Video has the potential not only to get to the truth when someone is injured or killed by police, but also to allow systematic reviews of officer behavior to prevent deaths by flagging troublesome officers for supervisors or helping identify real-world examples of effective and destructive behaviors to use for training.
[...] One challenge: The sheer amount of video captured using body-worn cameras means few agencies have the resources to fully examine it. Most of what is recorded is simply stored away, never seen by anyone.
Axon, the nation’s largest provider of police cameras and of cloud storage for the video they capture, has a database of footage that has grown from around 6 terabytes in 2016 to more than 100 petabytes today. That’s enough to hold more than 5,000 years of high definition video, or 25million copies of last year’s blockbuster movie “Barbie.”
The government NEVER destroys records. Ever. That's why up until our last days, we were still getting notifications of CR investigations that we thought had been closed in the 90's.
That's why COPA and assorted other agencies were able to go over dozens, if not hundreds, of traffic stop videos to find procedural violations to suspend the 011 District tact team....violations that should have been addressed as training issues months and years earlier.
The video isn't there to save you (though it has inadvertently saved dozens of Officers - that was never its intent). It is there to second guess you and screw you the moment anything goes south.
It's also there to generate endless storage fees for connected companies and individuals to get rich on the taxpayer dime.
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
64 Comments:
"Barbie" .. I hated that fuckin' movie
You kids on todays 011th District Tact Team would’ve loved to been back there when Phat Phil and then Steve Scholl (RIP… the best 1160 EVER) were at the helm. The 90s 011 Tact and Gangs led the city in all things policing and had some legit legendary players. The whole “Work Hard, Play Hard” phrase described that unit back then.
No GPS, no BWCs and cell phones were of the brick variety. Not to mention there existed an understanding between us and “them” and the anti police rhetoric only occasionally reared its ugly head (Mearday just to name the first one to come to mind) and it was short lived.
But then again, you knuckleheads woulda probably found a way to fuck up what we had back then because you DON’T LISTEN TO WHAT THE OLD TIMERS TELL YOU.
The point? You kids - many of whom didn’t grow up in Chicago, let alone come from a police family - don’t have a clue what it means to be “the police”. That said, you don’t need to know how to be a good copper to tell some asshole supervisor to go pound sand when they drop activity “requests”.
Figure it out already, you dumb bastards.
Adapt to change. AI will be the next tool administration(s) use to increase micro-management. If regular careers were micro-managed the way the police are the entire world would be unemployed.
According to an Illinois statute, the videos need to be destroyed after 90 days unless flagged or there are few other exceptions all of which are described in (50 ILCS 706/10-1)
Sec. 10-1. Short title. This Article may be cited as the Law Enforcement Officer-Worn Body Camera Act. References in this Article to "this Act" mean this Article.
(Source: P.A. 102-558, eff. 8-20-21.)
And what kills me is how now we have to activate these cameras for every single job given, no matter what, zero discretion. Even if you’re being sent to check on an inanimate object, where you’re not going to put your hands on a single person, they want camera activated the second you get the job, capture 5 - 15 minutes (depending on traffic) of your ride to that job, and then get your numbers for stupid coded job. For what? I recently got “counseled” for shagging a couple of bustouts away from a business and not offering them human services. I mean, WTF?! I can just picture these doofus bosses picking apart an active crime scene looking for stupid crap to ding you on. I cross the 20 year line this Fall. Giving serious thought to how much more of this nonsense I want to subject myself to.
"The video isn't there to save you (though it has inadvertently saved dozens of Officers - that was never its intent). It is there to second guess you and screw you the moment anything goes south. "**
Think of your body cam as the "Anything you say will be used against you in court of law" of the Miranda warning. For good or ill, it does, in its own way level the playing field.
Not much to add Police are doing as little as possible in the city of Chicago. We can blatantly see that, but however, the good neighborhoods are now being put into survival mode from the residence because they are now being destroyed however, on another note, many of our homegrown felons are going out to the suburbs to do their cry because they’ve already ravaged so much of the city so now they’re moving on up. Neighborhoods out there are starting to get destroyed section 8 is moving in out there also look at for example, Naperville once one of the best places to live however, they have areas there that are full of the Chicago style. Nothing else to call them but animals that destroy everything they’re coming into sleepy towns, moving there or just moving through to rape, Rob Kill.
So, the safest route you have is never engage so camera is never on?
I liked the body worn camera footage of Burke asking for money to do his job as alderman,,,,, oh wait,,,, that was the fbi recording of him committing a crime,,,hahahahahaha,,,,,,, now how about all aldermen and mayor be required to wear body camera's when conducting city business?
“Here at Vanco Digital Imaging Storage Solutions.” We charge a daily data observation fee, data delivery fee, data storage fee, data export fee. All of which are based on a sliding vertical fee.
Of course the government destroys records...ask Hillary Clinton.
It's wise to be leery of ANY policy "that's for your own good".
Even when it's on video it's still not good enough. The Toledo shooting is a prime example of that.
100% true. They will never listen though because they know it all.
If AI was used. we would have no merit retards except those shot in the line of duty and no gym teachers as Sups or mayors
Speaking of Miranda! Why the hell do officers start questioning suspected offenders without reading their Miranda rights ?? Congrats rookie he confessed to the crime after you questioned him ! All inadmissible because you didn't read their rights !!
How's Marco Island?
Amen ..
STOP being proactive dumb-fucks.
Stay in the hole. Write a couple parkers on the SCUM. Make the reports for the victims and remind them to keep voting Demo-crat.
God this is pathetic. Guesswhat the cops hired in the 60s when you got on said the same thing about you. Get over yourself. Being the police? Ok pal…it’s not hard when you got to crack someone just for looking at you sideways. Roll up to a corner and just put everyone on the wall and search them . Talking about the glory days in 011. Good for you , shithole then and shithole now. Let it go.
I happened to be talking a couple of years ago to a female copper from the west coast. I asked her how wearing the camera was working out and how the system worked. She told me that the camera goes on when you go on duty and stays on all shift. The only time it goes off is when you go to the bathroom which you have to announce before you shut it off.
Being a cop today must be very difficult.
No one gets counseled for not offering human services…you’re bs’ing or you left out some key details in your story
Damn, a blast from the past here. Those were some good times in “Fillmore” back then (no kids, it IS NOT Fillmore, it’s Harrison). Altho I was on the watch with DeWitt, Dulay, LaFleur etc. We were def the real deal back then but it certainly was a diff time and society was nowhere near as crazy as it is now. But yes, we listened to the old timers (many Vietnam vets) who taught us the job. The morons otj the last 15+ years or so? Soft as puppy shit, never been in a fist fight and wouldn’t last 3 periods of watch rotation. Some may view your comment as ignorant but it’s spot on. Yes, times are different but it seems like every generation of coppers gets dumber and softer. Prob by design. RIP CPD
don't forget the taxes!
But you watched it cream puff
POs assigned to the Mayor’s detail should be wearing cameras and have them activated for their entire tour.
The cost... Follow the money
Great story to start but then your Parkinson’s kicked in at the end. Because of the ending… collect your pension and shut the fuck up!
Just hire felons and make them pay more into my pension. Fuck being the police.
I think your wrong .The camera was always to protect you.It just wasn’t expected to be interpreted by pinball wizards.
Agreed.
Have not thought of Mearday in long time.
Good cop who was not there got jammed up and fired because he had old beef with one of the two Mearday guys.
J.M took it like a man, moved on, got in a good union, he was a true victim.
That’s a felony brother.
The FBI with Jeffrey Epstein?
Election ballots are permanently destroyed after democrats are declared victorious. No retention schedule here.
Yeah really. Should have picked something better, like The Godfather…
But in our case, BWCs have removed your right to remain silent.
Brings back fond memories of being in 011 back in the mid 90's, and the fun we had back then. Those were the days that you actually wanted to be at work.
Who can forget the "Sweaty Tuna" aka Lt Steve Scholl. He took care of his people and was even good when he filled in on the watches.
There were a few times that Sgt's had to be put in place. But those were rare instances. The 2 moronic sgts that come to mind were "Tricky Truhlar" and Zelinsky.
Ahhhh the 90’s tact teams…thanks for the memories.
Was on 002 tact back then when it was Dueces Wild.
Phil Cline V Eddie King. I’m long gone but you are 100% correct. Those days were great and these tact babies today wouldn’t have survived LOL.
copa appears to be an anti police organization. created to find chicken crap violations and scrwew police officers. Unions should check all communications between mayor,community organizations and COPA.
Disband COPA , let the Feds investigate wrong doing
If you used a body cam from any point between 2017- now your footage can forever be accessed, analyzed and studied. I don’t care what Illinois law or our GO’s state to the contrary. It can be five years from now, and you will get a notification because of how you handled a domestic in 2018. They are writing the playbook right now based off the Reed shooting. If there’s a OIS they don’t like, they will activate Skyler to browse through your video archives for their pound of flesh. And why I believe this will happen more than any other reason, is because of COPA.There’s a lot of money to be made of “police accountability” and “transparency” Imagine the job security with a program that finds all the evil things the police are doing
Off-topic. Safety awareness issue. Better to know this then not
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colombia-gulf-clan-arrests-cartel-accused-paying-for-dead-police-officers/?intcid=CNR-02-0623&ftag=CNM-00-10aab4i
They "flag" all use of force or videos with compliants associated to them. So isnt that where they are getting videos and going through to reviewing?!?
Good luck with that.
The job and isn’t what it used to be, and never was.
Ha Zeliensky…remember that goof pepper sprayed an off duty Captain walking his dog in the neighborhood.
I don’t care how carefully you follow the rules, if you’ve been on patrol with the camera you’ve done, seen, or failed to act in some manner which could lead to discipline. Granted, that threshold is very small (ie, bringing discredit to CPD); but the topic is frightening. It’s sitting there, existing, waiting for a high profile incident to be brought up.
These Tac guys really have no choice but to fall in line with the discipline. I’m sure it was passed on to them, if you fight this, the city will continue going back further and further and further.
Do the politicians have to endure the ethics training and test like the police? Why not, they are the ones who really need to be “scrutined”. That’s a word made up by Shortshanks.
No one cares, it’s a job. Enjoy your retirement, no one cares how cool you think you were 30 years ago and how you were amazing and how everyone else sucks. It’s a job, get paid, go home, do that for several decades, and enjoy retirement. Loser.
The poster at 5/07/2025 08:36:38 AM exemplifies what “Old School Mofo” is talking about. Some snot nosed kid, likely with less than 10 years on, who knows nothing about the job except that all who came before him did it wrong and had it easier.
Hey kid, if you know what’s good for you, you’ll keep your mouth shut and absorb what little’s left of institutional wisdom on this job.
You’ll understand when (IF) you make it to the finish line.
oh, aren’t you the generation that put this department in a consent decree because of the street adjustments you’d give out? real tough, 011 is still a shithole, your work didn’t matter.
Oh it happened. Counseled by the 3rd Watch Lt right after roll call. Pulled me into the Office because that was one of the random videos he said he was required to watch. There really wasn’t much more to it other than the business called and wanted these 2 away from their door.
5/07/2025 08:07:41 AM
PSA!!!
Do not interview anyone. Do not arrest anyone unless complaints are signed or mandatory domestic arrest, or warrant or VOOP. Wait for dic's to show up and to do their jobs. Do not make the dic's job easier than what it is. Give them nothing.
Copa is anti police. No duh.
oh, aren’t you the generation that put this department in a consent decree because of the street adjustments you’d give out? real tough, 011 is still a shithole, your work didn’t matter.
5/07/2025 08:05:36 PM
No, dummy. You can thank Jason VanDyke for the Consent Decree. Our generation kept a lid on things that pussies like you are unable to adapt to or afraid to handle by todays rules because you’re a fucking coward. Your generation put 16 shots into someone… and I’ll leave it at that.
We’re here because coppers from the 00s and early 2010s fucked it up for today’s generation. Today’s generation is fucking it up for the next. You don’t have to come from a police family to be “the real police”. It’s quite the opposite. Coppers who come from police family get put in some cushy spot and never do any real police work cause they got juice.
So, body cams aren’t showing the unjustified uses of force the left swore existed in every minority interaction, so now they want to dig through footage to find ‘gotcha’ moments…
Sure, but they also behave themselves a bit more since it is Dupage and not easy on the criminals Crook County !
Sorry Chief, dude is right. You come puffing that old ass chest about some 011 90's tact team shit. All that's shit is good for is laughs, if anybody thinks they are gonna hit the time machine and show the youngins how it's done is truly a retard. You'd be in call back within a month and awaiting trial at the MCC within a year.
Good planning in this one.
The BWC is not there to 'create prosecution'...
The BWC is there to 'preserve prosecution'...
We’re here because coppers from the 00s and early 2010s fucked it up for today’s generation. Today’s generation is fucking it up for the next. You don’t have to come from a police family to be “the real police”. It’s quite the opposite. Coppers who come from police family get put in some cushy spot and never do any real police work cause they got juice.
5/08/2025 03:47:34 AM
you are half right,,,,, yes, many, many guys and especially gals get cushy spots based on mommy or daddy or their side piece,,,and then get promoted,,, but there are many who work under the radar never talking about their clout and work every day
Do any Feds have BWC?
I believe the answer is NO. At least, I have never seen one on any Uniformed Fed ( e.g., Border Patrol, Coast Guard, etc.)
Ask yourself WHY? Surely, if BWC was a bona fide Good Idea, all the Feds would have one.
AI will be reviewing every image, every video and every word spoken the second it's uploaded, 24/7. It will flag whatever its told to flag and it will be sent to supervisors.... already happening in other departments.
Put those tact officers back on the beat on 1st watch. Embarrassments
I understand it to also be audio. The supervisor will be flagged if the tone of your voice is stressed or tension
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