Good News on the Lawsuit Front
A federal jury on Tuesday rejected claims and awarded no damages to a man who brought a lawsuit over his February 2020 shooting by a Chicago police officer inside a CTA Red Line station.
The shooting followed a lengthy struggle during a rush-hour commute.
The jury deliberated for a little less than two hours at the end of the seven-day civil trial. In the end, it answered the call from one officer’s attorney to “send a message” to Ariel Roman, the man shot by the officer, that his actions on the train platform were “inexcusable.”
The panel repeatedly watched video of Roman’s struggle with officers on Feb. 28, 2020, during which the officers also used Tasers and pepper spray to try to subdue him. Officer Melvina Bogard, who shot Roman, told them she feared he’d push her onto the train tracks.
You can argue tactics, procedures, incompetence, whatever. But the proper message that was sent here needs to be broadcast far and wide:
- There is ZERO right to resist the police.
Even if you're a Supreme Court Justice and you know one-hundred-percent, beyond a shadow of a doubt that the stop and subsequent arrest are unlawful, you do not get to decide that on the street. You decide that in Civil Court after the fact.
Too many plaintiff attorneys, abetted by morons in the media and urged on by ignorant politicians, have been pushing that narrative for far too long and it needs to stop.
This was a first step.
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
77 Comments:
This has been the worse shooting I have ever seen in my 20 year career. He tells her to shoot and later said he ment her taser. Which they both used their taser on him already. Then after she shoots him the male partner gives him a lawful order to leave. Never giving him medical attention. The bad guy does and she shoots him again and now states it was an accident. Totally messed up. The city backs all this because they were afraid of this lawsuit. The male officer only got a year suspension. God I hope I never have to work with him.
Both officers should be in prison. If I were on this jury it would have been a different outcome.
I can see now why they only gave that office every year suspension. So he would cooperate with their garbage lawsuit. The fix was in with the city.
I’m glad I am just about out of here. Idiots everywhere.
I’m sure the attorney is kicking himself for not taking whatever the city offered before trial
Like the blog, but disagree here. A police order that is part of a criminal assault is not a lawful order. If McCloskey decided to shoot Michael C. On orders of Sollozo, Michael would have been within his right to shoot him. That's per chatgpt and they are never wrong. But this time they do seem right
I hate to say it but the jury got this one wrong. I’m losing faith in the system.
How do you have an accidental shooting when you pulled the trigger. I’m just shaking my head.
The city hired idiots and just got away with it.
The Officers do just about everything wrong and now the jury backs it up. Oh, boy!
Nothing will change when the city is not held accountable. I wish they would have given them the highest pay out in history. So the city would be forced to stop the dumb stuff. Like hiring idiots and people who can’t physically do the job.
I just can’t wait to retire and move away. If this was ok, then I don’t belong here. Crazy enough the city is celebrating with this ruling.
But...but...he waz jus funnin and shit....
That is goveners Fat Ass battle cry " Resist at all cost" .....
The never ending conflict between those dismissing conversation and choosing confrontation, and those submitting to law enforcement officers' instructions, if only as a courtesy to encourage further conversation.
Yeaaaaa!!!
Thought for sure a jury would side with him.
This is shocking. I thought for sure he'd get money for being shot. Just because he resisted doesn't mean he can be shot. We have something called a Use of Force model and nowhere does it say an active resistor can be shot. Who were the attorneys for the city? Great work on one of the worst shootings in the last 5 years
Sooooo... we don't have to abide by Tennessee v Garner anymore?
Do you think that the morons attacking ICE officers will get the message? NOPE
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
That jury was HEROIC. The CTA needs to be cleaned up.
I’m shocked that the city didn’t offer this scumbag a settlement. That’s usually Corp Counsel’s go to. They’re subpar attorneys that string these matters out for a year or two and then drop a check for the shit head.
STFU troll
Yet, “Select Individuals “, can actually shoot at police and get paid millions. Gee I wonder why?
Dumb and Dumber
So now the message to the police is that it’s OK to shoot an unarmed person who is fleeing in the back after he resisted?
This was a terrible shoot and they got away with it.
Heroic? Put down the crack pipe.
Thank you Aman, I would not want to work with either of them.
Agree
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You are correct many cannot even qualify once a year (Unless your a boss or connected with that phone call I'm qualified), so many sloppy out of shape coppers, plus "The little's" so small their gun belt weighs them down! The dei stupidly is showing everywhere, so called coppers so scared to even engage a felon in anyway,as they run away!
Whoa. How many times have good officers been screwed by jurors on civil cases? Hundreds? Thousands? Who knows. You're mad because some POS who decided to fight with the police got nothing for his actions?! Go F yourself. Glad he and his bottom feeding attorneys got zilch.
Who cares. Zero to scum bag police fighter. Feel zero sympathy for this clown and his attorneys. Happy Christmas here's your coal. Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahaha!!!
What police assault…the police gave him a lawful order and he refused to…he later became an active resister…as the offender you do not get to question or decide whether an order is lawful or not…that would cause chaos….even if i unlawfully stop or arrest you that does not mean you have a right to resist
So if a jury found this acceptable I guess we will be watching the BWC footage of these 2 incredible and brave officers at our Use Of Force training next year. Perfect. I can’t wait to take a couple of shots at a fleeing subject with my patrol carbine on a crowded subway platform or the Riverwalk. {Honk Honk} Policing in Clown World…
Agree!
I lost my faith a while back and want to move out of state.
You can get away with anything if the right person backs you.
So agree.
The politicians and media looked the other way on this. It was all swept under the rug. This case didn’t fit their narrative!
This looks like a rare occurrence where the commentators do not agree with SCC. Those were 2 of the most god awful police officers to have ever been videotaped. “Accidental” shooting? “Thought he was gonna throw me on the tracks”? Grasping at straws. The jury got this one wrong.
I believe capitol police officer Michael Byrd set that precedent. He shot the unarmed Ashley Babbitt in the back for trespassing. He was lauded as a hero by the left. Same type of people on Chicago juries, right?
Learn the facts of the case before you run off at the mouth. It makes you look stupid
Damn Trolls. Go whine on some other site. Too many useless a-holes believe resisting is a right. GFO
Talk about tactical misfits. Who were never capable of doing the job. The one officer got a year suspension is still with us. Unreal.
New rules in crook County meet new boss just like the old boss, but some changes who cares it’s all crooked anyway. Let’s see some real justice lack of the criminals lack up the governor signing the safety act letting them roam around and kill in Maine many more that would be changed we could believe in not this nonsense.
Cook County judges’ new courtroom language rules as issued under Chief Judge Charles S. Beach’s management:
⚖️ Must introduce themselves with their name AND pronouns
⚖️ No “Ladies and Gentlemen,” “Mr.” or “Mrs.” only neutral terms
⚖️ Must use chosen names, avoid birth names, and apologize if one is used
⚖️ Must correct lawyers who use prohibited language and escalate if they refuse
⚖️ Homosexuality cannot be described as a “lifestyle” or something someone “does”
⚖️ “Salacious” or judgmental homosexual details must be redirected
⚖️ “Sex change” is prohibited use “gender affirming medical care”
⚖️ Judges must affirm a child’s stated identity or expression even when parents object
Illinois: where the words you use may just matter more than justice
Source: @chicago_wire
Cook County Circuit Judge Charles "Charlie" Beach at the Richard. J. Daley Center on Wednesday, Sept. 10, 2025, after he was elected chief judge, defeating 8-term incumbent Timothy Evans. Floyd Webb for Injustice Watch
They probably did but it was a lowball offer
And yet officers who engage with armed offenders are dragged over the coals. Why is this shooting different? Anybody? Hmnnnn.
You make some correct statements, but I am entirely correct. Reread the underlined sentence. The standard it sets is "Never". I pointed out, correctly, that that standard is false. I did not say, in this case, the officer did ABC.... In fact I used a famous crime viewed in a documentary by FF Koppola and Mario Puzo, you can see it on YouTube. I bet most readers here have seen it, and appreciate it.
Exactly. Could it be this was a case of an O.J. type of jury reaching another head scratching verdict?
Why did the kid Khalil Muhammad shot get money? What’s the difference?
I never understood why the male officer told her to shoot him. Why didn't he shoot him himself? He didn't look in distress. Why wasn't he fired? He's just as bad as she was for telling her to shoot. Who is his clout?
The shooting was not accidental. She intended to shoot. The question then is whether she was correct to think her life or anyone else's life was in grave danger.
Can you name one person who qualified because they had a phone call? The real issue is that our qualifications course is too easy to pass.
Offenders can fluctuate between active resister and assailant many times during a struggle. Part of the problem, as i recall, was that the officers were very out of shape for a physical confrontation, their radios did not work well in the subway, and they were new on the job.
But yes, the city attorney did a great job.
Great attorneys can always win against poor attorneys, no matter what happened.
Heroic is an overstatement, but glad the CPD won this one. Too bad only one of those incompetent officers is off the job.
The jury got this right by not rewarding this POS resister.
Hopefully every competent officer on the job still knows you can't or shouldn't shoot in this situation.
But hopefully, the garbage on the street thinks we can get away with it and they think twice about resisting going forward.
Your comments on what happened are just wrong.
The idiot officers protesting this win are just that...idiot officers. Are you the 018th primadonnas who kissed Barz ass mad because you're going to be in federal court...or prison... for the next ten years?
You do know that thug Roman could have been escaping to get a weapon he stashed nearby ? You do know the use of force paradigm was followed from start to finish in that incident? beginning with officer presence to use of deadly force? You do know that this ruling is favorable to officers who end up in similar situations in the future? The real screw ups are the bosses that threw them down in the tunnels with shitty equipment, no training, no experience, no supervisors and no backup !
STFU troll.
Maybe Roman was running to get on that rocket ship he had stashed so he could zoom on out of there.
I’m happy things went well for these officers, because everyone turned their backs on them. It’s heartening to see that things went well for them, considering the challenges they faced and the lack of support from the department at that time.
This shooting happened during a period when the then mayor was pushing to curb crime on CTA trains and platforms. At the time there was an uptick in CTA related crimes, tourist were getting robbed and team trends were getting out of control. Mass Transit Officers vehicles were taken away and they were assigned to fixed posts at CTA Train stations. At the time, the department opened the bid for Mass Transit and everyone with experience shield away from the Mass Transit due to the foot patrol assignment. Therefore, officers with less than four years on the job like these two officers were detailed to the Public Transportation Section due to reverse seniority. These officers did not request to go to the Mass Transit and they had no real street experience, training or support. They were thrown into an environments they may not have been adequately prepared for, especially being paired with random partners. They were assigned to CTA Platforms, told to carry a ticket books and to bring in numbers.
The was during a period, the department was considering assigning officers to Tact Teams via reverse seniority.
The scumbag was selling crack on the trains, and he took an officer’s taser during the struggle. He struggled with uniformed officers. Screw the shithead.
Move to Florida.
This is the nuttiest thing ever. There is no way the city should have won this case. Both officers should be in prison.
25yrs on the job. These two belong relieved of their police powers , one of the most egregious shootings to hit bwc. Andrew are supposed to cheer them on for not having city pay out. Yea no thanks. Not unless this Kate standard for every case moving forward. But we all know the reason why they escaped. The 1’s in this job are untouchable when it comes to discipline
I agree with most that say these two were an embarrassment and ill-equipped physically for the rigors of the job. They did follow U of F paradigm to a point. The argument could be made that they exhausted all other means of controlling and arrested the offender, and could feasibly have been in fear of losing, possibly disarmed, or being thrown on the rails and possibly killed, had they chased him up the stairs and the fight continued throughout the station and back on the platform. I for one am happy the city actually tried this case and won, they should be trying all of them, but don’t think for a minute this wasn't political; it took a year to even charge them.
Does anyone think the charging, and outcome would’ve been different if the ethnicities of the officers were different? I do. One only needs to look at another similar case where an unarmed autistic kid was shot in the back on the south side while running away from the “victim officer”. Not only was he not charged, he only got a 6 month suspension. You think that would’ve worked out the same for Sean from Edison Park, or Seamus from Mt. Greenwood?
We’ve seen numerous other cases where officers were quickly charged after a high-profile case in the name of political expediency, only to win their cases in court, but had to endure the entire ordeal and all it entails.
I’m glad they won because it deprives a jag off and his bottom feeding lawyer a payday, and now they pay court costs as the losing party. That video should be mandatory viewing as a training tool as to how not to handle things.
Harry Callahan said:
"Nothing wrong with shooting as long as the right people get shot".
The offender wasn’t autistic. He was selling drugs and fighting the police.
Screw the shithead. It doesn’t matter the race. The court has spoken. No chance of draining the ghetto lottery. Next time he’ll think long and hard about fighting the police. Stop acting like animals.
The scumbag wasn’t on his way to college. He was traveling cart to cart selling crack on CTA Trains. Narcotics arrested with a large amount of narcotics in his possession and all criminal charges against him were dropped. He should’ve been arrested for Battery to P.O, Resisting, Possession, Loitering, disarming the police on top of getting shot.
What’s the difference between this guy being stopped for narcotic sells, taking an officer’s taser and struggling with the officers AND 36-year-old, Temple, who violently carjacking and officer’s squad car in the 4400 block of West Jackson after he stopped to help her. Both were stops. All officers were in uniform. The difference was one offender was Black and the other one was White. Both were pieces of shitheads. Both shitheads should get the short end of the stick.
Half of you wasn’t on the job when this occurred. Shut up and go back to mama’s basement.
The autistic kid from the south side that was shot in the back while running away from the officer. Comprehension is essential, it said, another similar case.
Fred Waller and Brian McDermott made that call
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