Friday, October 21, 2005

Friday Quick Hits

Just a few articles to scan while you think of a rumor to post in the previous thread:
  • If you leave the scene of an accident, and there is the appearance that you were drinking, they are going to hang you out to dry, you are going to lose your job and you are going to go to jail. End of story. Sun-times here. Trib coverage here. Channel 5. Channel 7. Yes, we realize they didn't charge him with DUI. They charged him with Reckless Homicide and guess how much harder the State's Attorney is going to push for a conviction?
  • Saddam loses a lawyer. This could be a positive development, and not just because there is one less lawyer in the world (that was sarcasm). Perhaps more lawyers will refuse to defend saddam and we'll be treated to the spectacle of him trying to defend himself before outraged families drag him from the courtroom and hang him from the nearest lamppost a la Mussolini.
  • Common sense gun legislation finally passes. Watch for the liberals (and lefty) to start screaming that gun manufacturers are getting a free pass over the dead bodies of tens of thousands of citizens. Listen, cars kill far more people than guns do, why not ban them? Oh, because a car isn't specifically designed to kill people? Neither are guns. Guns are designed to move a projectile at high speed toward an intended target. The gun industry isn't at fault that because it's product works exactly as designed. Enforce existing law and common sense liability on the end user. One less class action possibility for trail lawyers fatten their wallets on. This is actually a nail in the cult of victimhood. Now some real tort reform would be welcome.
  • And look here. The House passes a law banning lawsuits against the fast food industry for "making people obese." Common sense. Who'd have thunk it?

UPDATE: You know what we really like? When "leftisthebest" leaves himself wide open for a right hook. And we mean WIDE OPEN. He states in the comments "...since you came on the job how many police officers have been struck and killed by a vehicle? How many have been killed by readily available firearm?" and we reply with this link. Twice in recent years (1999 and 2003), vehicle crashes have killed more officers than guns. And if you look at the year-to-year trends, officer deaths by firearm are steadily decreasing while traffic deaths are steadily increasing. So we should all go back to foot patrols and outlaw cars? And "readily available" means what exactly? We fail to see where that implicates a gun manufacturer, which was the point of our post.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

That case with the copper is going nowhere. He wouldn't even have been charged if he wasn't the police. But IAD & the Public Integrity Unit from the State's Attorney's Office were all over it. He'll have to decide to take a deal or go to trial, but the case is a loser. Maybe, just maybe, he's innocent. You'd never know it from watching the news or reading the papers. Every time I see them go after a cop its just amazing. Everyone else gets ten seconds of he did it and then two minutes of the police put a case on me. But when its a cop, the fucking fangs are out.

10/21/2005 10:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If he did do it, the copper is a moron for leaving the scene. With all the camera's that are installed in the city they probably have enough to keep him in jail for awhile. Because of his profession he won't be roaming the streets driving around like any Joe shithead would be.
Another black mark for the CPD for what and ignorant asshole decided to do.

10/21/2005 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You gotta be kidding me, right? Yeah, IAD has the power to chrage someone with no evidence. You are a moron. I just can't understand why some of you can't understand that regardless of his profession, he KILLED someone and then, like every other shithead, 12 hours later reported his car stolen. Yeah, let's all hold a benefit for him, and then talk about how IAD and the SA office fucked him...GET REAL!

10/21/2005 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IAD may have been all over it, but the Detective Division does the actual charging and arrest. If there wasn't anything to it, he could not have been charged. Another example that if you drink and drive, your star can't save you from hurting yourself and others.

10/21/2005 10:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Throw this into the mix, the kid that was killed has an uncle that is a Police officer. Gotta wonder how he is feeling.

10/21/2005 11:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I made the first post, and you're right about the D unit doing the charging. I am very familar with this case. These things have a life of there own and its not some det making the decisions. Have you ever worked on one of these? IAD and the State does their own parallel investigations. Its real easy for it to end up adversarial. It takes a boss with a big set of balls to say no. I've only seen one boss tell IAD & the State no. It ain't going to be the investigating detective. He ended up telling them to get out of the Area. And that was a much better case than this one.

10/21/2005 11:08:00 AM  
Anonymous leftisthebest said...

Since M. called me out, I have to respond.

Let's see now my dear M., since you came on the job how many police officers have been struck and killed by a vehicle? How many have been killed by readily available firearm?

Conservatives talk about the liberal control of the media. What about the NRA control of Congress?

10/21/2005 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:08 So what are you saying? If he is innocent, lay it on the table.

10/21/2005 12:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know if he's innocent. But I know if he was Joe Citizen he would have been brought in and the State would have laughed their asses off if we asked for charges.

10/21/2005 12:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They don't charge lots of people who should be. Also, we are not civilians and as such are held to a higher standard.

10/21/2005 01:54:00 PM  
Blogger Fenian28 said...

The link for the common sense gun legislation links to a different Sun Times Story.
No one knows what happened with the accident but the P.O. But I like how because he is a P.O. it is all over the news. Tell me if he was an average joe it would even make page 20 of the paper.

10/21/2005 02:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This case doesn't seem like a winner, but what percentage of doubt do you have? I'd put 95% odds against the guy just from what I've read.

Regardless, this once again can be used as an example of exactly why we need a serious campaign against drunk drivers among our own. 4 in two years, plus our own injured.

10/21/2005 02:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are a civilian. All persons not subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice are defined as civilians.

10/21/2005 02:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you read SCC's Update for this thread, he says (according to his article) that violence towards officers via automoblie are up while violence towards officers via handguns are down.

It seems like gun control is working.

10/21/2005 02:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey O'Grady I mean Leftisthebest, your are at it again your self loathing cocksucking fag. Guns don't kill, people kill. You could leave a .45 auto fully loaded on the desk for an eternity and it won't fire unless someone picks it up a pulls the trigger.Damn are u dumb O'Grady.

10/21/2005 04:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nowhere did he say violence using automobiles was up. where are you seeing that? you are a moron. go read what he said, so see what leftist said and then come back and see if you can pass the third grade reading comprehension you mope

10/21/2005 04:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Name Callers said...

I know O'Grady and he is not Leftisthebest. He is a liberal and has some strong opinions, skewed as they may be. But, he only posts under his name. Unlike other that post about him and don't have the balls to own up to it.

10/21/2005 05:29:00 PM  
Anonymous leftisthebest said...

To 4:04 poster:

Why, oh why, is it hard to believe there could be TWO liberals on the job? Once again, I have never met O'Grady, never even heard of him until this board.

If his views bother you so much have you ever confronted him face to face? Naw, I bet you haven't. At least give the guy credit for using his real name. He stands not behind an anonymous monikor (me included).

How many guns have you recovered used in a homicide, robbery or UUW that were reported stolen? Then ask yourself how many times have you filled out a report where a TRUE victim used a handgun to defend themself?

10/21/2005 05:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

in reference to DUI copper. Where is the outrage in the local African-American community like there was in the suburban Arab community when the P.O. killed two innocent kids. The media is really jumping on this story, but I haven't seen the community yet. Perhaps because this is an African-American officer? White kid, black cop = huge problems, black kid, white cop = huge problems. Race is ALWAYS a factor.

10/21/2005 06:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey LL Lefty.....most legit citzens who show a bad guy a gun would never call the police to tell us.......They'd get housed and their gun taken away.....

10/21/2005 07:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whatever happend to innocent before proven guilty? Even Lefty would agree with that.

10/21/2005 08:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From what I know of this case, the state has a lock on it, the guys going to get convicted, and is going to take some time. He can kiss the job good bye. Don't know why anyone would realistically call it a weak case. Sounds like alot of paranoia to me. Don't cry for him any more than you do for Casper.

10/21/2005 08:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He'll lose his job, but what's the lock? Tell me something I don't know.

10/21/2005 08:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

His girl gave a statement saying he told her he was in an accident. Also, this fool lied and said he was at home but numerous eyes put him in a tavern. Plus no evidence of a steal on his car. This guy is a moron with the mentality of a common thug and what he gets, he has coming.

10/21/2005 10:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leftisthebest is really fooled isn't he????

10/21/2005 11:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The witnesses put him in a tavern at 7pm, a long time before the accident.

10/22/2005 01:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That guy is an IDIOT! False reports. He was LOADED!!! Should have never left the scene. Crackhead!

10/22/2005 02:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There goes our raise, the city will pay BIG $$$$$ on this lawsuit.

10/22/2005 02:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He wasn't on duty brainiac. The department don't pay when you fuck up on ur own time. Either your some random chickenhead or a total fucking moron.

10/22/2005 04:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Juse remember "believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear."

10/22/2005 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Black box pulled from P/os car showed at collision he was n/b 58 mph. Was going to pick up girlfriend at metra station who gave him up.

Hooked up by dna .09 0ut 0f 33 fatal hit runs solved in two years, that is why the dicks are now handling, copper started investigation when he reported ride stolen.

10/22/2005 01:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 4:42:15 PM post You are one ignorant cocksucking stuppid dumb motherfucker. Look for yourself and reread what Shady O"Grady aka Leftisthebest said in his post he is attempting to make an inferrence that gun violaence is higher than automobile deaths. He makes this inferrence by again attacking George Bush and the NRA. Listen fuckball, this self loathing cocksucker hates George Bush, and America and GUNS and the police. He supports MUMMIA and AlQueda and obviously so od you. You are scum.

10/22/2005 06:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...






10/22/2005 06:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think most of us are jumping the gun. The situation is fuck up to say the least. However most people commenting are repeating hear say or what was printed in the paper. As we all know the media is always right. This case became political the night it happened. Not because of the officer in the kid's family. It was his grandfather and uncle. They both work for the county, (are heavy) and went to the alderman the next morning. This was told to me by a close family member and isn't speculation. The only thing the media said that I believe is that there was no evidence of the car being stolen (fact). I know the officer involved and I know the kid's family. I wish them both the best, because both families have lost in this situation.

10/22/2005 06:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Both families lost but that does not lessen the offender's culpability.

10/23/2005 06:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Hey 4:42:15 PM post You are one ignorant cocksucking stuppid dumb motherfucker. Look for yourself and reread what Shady O"Grady aka Leftisthebest said in his post he is attempting to make an inferrence that gun violaence is higher than automobile deaths. He makes this inferrence by again attacking George Bush and the NRA. Listen fuckball, this self loathing cocksucker hates George Bush, and America and GUNS and the police. He supports MUMMIA and AlQueda and obviously so od you. You are scum.

10/22/2005 06:27:55 PM "

It's so hard for me to remain a conservative when I see unintelligent crap like the above posted. No wonder why the libs have a field day by calling out the Republican stereotypes.

10/24/2005 05:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fuck u o'grady do to sleep.....

10/24/2005 06:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


As I was getting my leather gear cleaned up for the funeral of LASD Deputy David March, I thought of the following exert from an article I read several years ago. And I thought I would share it with some of my friends.

The author talks about how after a peace officer is murdered in the line of duty, varying reactions are felt by different officers/deputies. Basically, some guys make sure they find what the dead cop did wrong in a tactical sense (and often this is a worthwhile thing to look for), but then others simply realize the greater truth-and that is that regardless of how well we perform our duties in a tactical sense, cops will continue to be killed in the line of duty.

The following is an excerpt from his article:

There are some things that you just can't do without suffering casualties -- very literally and profoundly; and our job is one of them.

You can't race cars without crashes, you can't dig mines without cave-ins, and you sure as hell can't send cops out into the streets of a violent society without violent deaths. Our fallen brothers knew that and did it anyway--as we all do or have done. ........Their friends will tell you they did the job because they loved it, and any of us who can't say that should envy them for it. At least they died as rare and precious people: doing what they loved to do, and doing it for the noblest of reasons. That is something we can never explain outside of our profession.

You see, you can't be a good cop simply because you couldn't get another job. You can only be a good cop because you want it. And there is an answer as to why they died, something I learned half a world away many years ago as a young Marine, preparing to face an enemy in combat for the first time. It was then that my sergeant explained that, like it or not, there are only three rules in war:

Rule Number One is "YOUNG MEN DIE"
Rule Number Two is "YOU CAN'T CHANGE RULE #1"

You see, when soldiers advance, knowing the enemy is near, there is always one man way out in front of everyone else. His duty is to look and listen and sense that first contact; to spot the enemy, pinpoint the ambush, fire that first shot, and as a consequence, take those first shots.

It offends the logical mind and denies the instinct for survival. It ages and saddens and wizens, and frequently kills those who take their turn "Walking the Point." But it must be done, or there would be no protection for the rest, just more bloodshed, and more grief. For the "Point Man" is there to save lives, even if he gives his own in the process.

Society may not be a company of soldiers, but it certainly has (and needs) somebody walking the point. Every time you go out the station door, every time you answer the radio call, every time you stop to check out something suspicious. AND YOU CAN'T CHANGE RULE NUMBER ONE.

If I could say something directly to the people in our society, it would be this. I know some of you will remember our brothers, but that's not good enough. I want you to honor them for what they did for you-that which they needn't have done. I'm not just talking about what they did on the day that "routine" call or stop that went horribly bad. I mean what they did for you day after day, in darkness and light, rain or shine, on holidays and on their loved ones' birthdays, without ever expecting even a "thank you" in return. They volunteered to "Walk the Point!"

10/24/2005 06:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Outstanding! You ever notice how when an officer is killed all the gold stars are falling all over each other to be seen at the st. jude cermony? The working guy on the street can't get a flipping DC or an award w/o a phone call? but once their in a pine box they get every award possible and the bosses say what a good COP he was.
Reward the living PO's now that do there job. Give the troops pride to wear a ribbon. NOT FOR BULLSHIT, BUT FOR POLICE WORK!
In New York, you can look at a guy and see his activity on his chest. Automatic ribbons for armed robbers, guns and other part 1's. MORAL IS TERRIBLE, MANPOWER DOWN. HELP THE WORKING COP.

10/25/2005 04:38:00 PM  
Anonymous NorthSide said...

The last two posters have said it all.

10/25/2005 08:04:00 PM  

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