Go Mark! Go Mark!
Well, looks like the FOP won one, and they did it pretty damn quick, too. In the Current Updates section of their website, they state:
- At the urging of the Fraternal Order of Police, the Illinois Police Training and Standards Board voted today to begin processing the applications for Retiree Carry Concealed without the endorsement of the City of Chicago.
Essentially, what they did was take Daley completely out of the equation. The mayor can pout and sulk and send his lawyers all over, but as soon as the Board sets up a schedule for processing and locations for qualifying, the City has no say in the matter. If the city is going to disregard the rules, screw them. All in all, this looks like a damn good move by the FOP and after all the flak they've taken in the comments sections regarding this issue, they deserve a bit of praise for handling this one quickly, efficiently and in a manner that really stuck it to the political administration.
posted by SCC at 9:15 PM
56 Comments:
Now please address the current Dicks test results.
Amen!
We like to slam them, but I join SCC in a toast to them on this one... thank you Chicago F.O.P. for taking care of business promptly on this matter for the retirees (which of course will someday include all of us!) We salute you!
I give Mark a little credit and SCC a bunch. I think those clowns look at this blog and realize the membership ain't happy.
How about making the physical fitness test (power test) a mandatory, yearly requirement for employment. Or at the least the only way you will get duty availability checks. If your a fat blob (over 20% body fat) you are unfit for duty.
I ain't fat but I've met many excellent "husky" cops and dets. Just what we need, less manpower. Your idea is stupid!
I guess he huff and puff going upstairs. Does that steering wheel in the car rub on your belly. HO HO HO Have you been asked to be the mall santa?
Anonymous said...
How about making the physical fitness test (power test) a mandatory, yearly requirement for employment. Or at the least the only way you will get duty availability checks. If your a fat blob (over 20% body fat) you are unfit for duty.
12/15/2005 09:48:58 PM
Great idea! Cause, of course, you won't mind having to quit in a few years when you aren't so young, and physically fit.
I swear to god, I'm surrounded by morons! Hot, sexy, physically fit morons, but morons none the less!
The president of DCPOA (Disabled Chicago Police Officer Association), sent this email out to about 100 officers. She needs to apologize to the FOP and Mark.
Dear Mark
Just received word and read your blurb on the FOP web site about the City of Chicago not allowing retired officers to carry their weapons because of the liability issue. "Give me a Break!"
If I may make a suggestion or two, before I leave for Michigan. The FOP should take a stand on this issue and fight for retired officers who want to carry and conceal immediately.
1. The retired officer will sign a legal and financial liability release from the City of Chicago that they will not hold the City of Chicago or the Police Department responsible for any shooting incidents justified or not.
2. The retired officer who wishes to carry and conceal will go for yearly qualifications.
3. The retired officer will add additional liability insurance up to a million dollars on their homeowners insurance policy, and retain their own counsel if such an incident occurs.
These are just suggestions, Mark. But to lay down and die right now without taking legal action against the City is just giving in to Daley, again. I believe the City is putting retired officers in harms way by not allowing retired officers to carry and conceal, especially that this is going public.
Offenders holding grudges against police officers who arrested them and put them away, may think of getting even and shooting the unarmed retired officer. This should be not aired on television or printed in the newspapers either, Mark. It's putting all of us in harm's way, including you.
Anyway, I had my say. Enjoy the holiday season!
Ro
RoseMarie owes alot of people apologies, not the least of which was the operator of the last Second City Cop bulletin board. She sues other officers. She's a loose cannon.
I'm glad to hear FOP took decisive action. Now I just hope the king on the fifth floor doesn't order the department to stop issuing retirement stars and ID cards. Without those credentials, retired members cannot be certified.
Should the king do that, then he's truly an ass and the FOP needs to fight it. "Past practices" comes into play. The department has been issuing retirement credentials for sometime now, and if they stop, FOP needs to fight them.
Good job lodge 7
I do not the FOP saying crap like despite people calling the media.
I for one have called FOP on things and have gotten the same old song of we are looking into it or there is nothing we can do right now in addition to them not even calling back. Well, when all this happens were is one to stand?
Now I am glad this is being pushed outside the city but in recent history this is the first item I have seen action on.
What is a PO to do if in calling the union and not seeing any action? You will bet I will then begin to look at other options.
Once again I am glad to see some things happening here but will not place all the credit with the FOP it will go out to others as well who pushed in other directions which then forced the issue more with the FOP.
Hey FOP, how about lets start looking at things that are of concern of ACTIVE members now as well.
Good job FOP, fight the battles that need fighting!
FOP forgot to tell part of the story. OK its great to get retirees certified, but now how are they going to register their guns in Chicago.
Hey 09:48
people like you attack everything and everybody.....because of some sense of superiority, no wonder the City and Daley so easily keep a boot up your BUTTS...let next get rid of all red headed coppers, then blonds,brunettes then we can go after those guys wearing contact lens and glasses, this is not a job for the blind! brown eyes, blue eyes, hazel eyes that could be diversity overload and....there's really no reasons for having any cops under 6 ft tall and then its all those guys who end up with cancer, diabetes
and other ailment how dare they get sick!...hell when cops get pass 50 they should become a liability..Then its those dreaded cops who are married with 2.5 children and a dog.....and all of those pesky divorcees
moving right along, we got those who smoke and heaven forbid those guys that stop off for a beer after work....oh! let's not forget all of those unmarried people...we all know how untrust worthy they can be shamelessly running around with no responsibilities.....never have I seen so much self gratifying, back stabbing self glorification in my life....people like you should fall on their knees and thank GOD for allowing you to wake up each and every morning...you're a dismal individual with a
with a .... WHAT? C'mon, don't leave us hanging.
I agree with 9:48. Whats wrong with annual mandatory physical fitness tests? Look around you, some of thee guys and gals can barely get behind the wheel of the squad car. They look ridiculous! The amount of pushup, pullups and your run time would be based upon your age. I would also like to see them come out with mandatory height and weight requirements. If you can't make the cut the City should give us say, 1 year and 3 attempts at a test to get back in shape. Can't do it? Well we gave you every opportunity to comply, bye,bye.
PS.
I do expect alot of the fatasses to disagree and call me names.
One more thing. I'm not some 2 year wonder. I've got 25 years on the job. I take care of myself unlike alot of my colleagues who instead of doing a minimum amount of physical activity to ward of things like obesity,heart disease, cancer, etc., chose instead to eat anything and everything that entered their field of vision.
If you look st the FOP Update the statement is:
"At the urging of the Fraternal Order of Polce"
It did not say at the urging of Chicago Lodge 7 Fraternal Order of Polce.
This was a national issue and Daley's attack on Federal Law which the National FOP worked so hard for and was passed because FOP endorsed President Bush in his first campaign was the motivation to stop Daley.
The Illinois Senators did not support the Federal Legislation and are not on record for even early support of the Law.
The National FOP supported Bush a republican the Illinois FOP LOdge and Lodge 7 were "forced" to go along with the endorsement so as not to piss off the National.
The point:
If this issue was only a local issue Lodge 7 v. Daley nothing would have been done and a look at the present issues not being corrected support that statement as follows:
1. residency a law banning again "only Chicago" from bring the issue to the bargaining table.
2. working 6 consecutive days WITHOUT COMPENSATION
3. No TIME DUE no manpower
4. over a year to get the 3% cola passed for those born before 1955
5.promotional testing that everyone knows is a joke
6. grievances that go on for years and years without successful closure
7. a top heavy highly compensated administration; three vice presidents three sgt at arms and a president that makes over $150,000. a year and in addition still "TAKES" a $400.00 stipend a month and the reimbursement of his union dues for the year at the xmas party.
8. The inability to negotiate a contract so the membership has the right to vote for it. Some issues MUST be brought to arb but the trend will be in the future "The membership will NEVER vote on a FULL contract again". Include issues not sent to arb but include them in the arb results no voting by membership needed.
9. Allow trustees who are promoted to sgt remain on the board and if Sgt. Voight a "Merit Sgt" is allowed to remain on the board you will have a house mouse for the employer because he was made by the employer imagine a MERIT SGT on the Board of Trustees Chicago Lodge 7
10. the bunker mentality to silence any criticism or opposing view in order to protect that pay check. All dictatorships eventially fall and one only needs to remeber what happen to the Nolan administration!
yea! Go Mark Go Mark
Go directly to daley's office and plead that you were "forced" to show him up and didn't the 23.8 million dollar gift of our pension money mean anything
Was that "Pig Vomit" Hallinan cryin' like a mofo again?
We need to look into other "unions" to represent us, fuck Flop
Mr. Mark Donahue
President, Lodge 7
Fraternal Order of Police
Re: Local Implementation of H.R. 218.
Dear Mark:
My kudos on the FOP's swift response to the irrational obstinacy of our hoplophobic and vindictive mayor.
As we have previously discussed, we cannot rest on our (mistletoe) laurels. Notwithstanding, well done, my brother.
Merry Christmas to All!
Fraternally yours,
(Sgt.) John Northen (Ret.)
12/16/2005 07:48:59 AM
and
12/16/2005 10:43:16 AM :
Get a room already. Giving each other the reach around here is too public.
Oh...that's right. You can't use the hall, you don't belong anymore.
Who's Rosemarie?
RoseMarie Giambolvo. Head of the Disabled Chicago Police Officers Association. Back when that Sgt ran the other SCCN, she sued him for stuff on the bulletin board. Allegedly, she also almost sabotaged the entire 1999-2003 contract by attempting to negotiate behind everyone's back for special exemptions for the DCPOA even though she had no standing to do so. A loose cannon and dangerous individual. She's buddies with Harej and "pig vomit."
23.8 million means 10,000 of us don't have to do 32 years and a day to get maximum pension, only 29 and a day. Seems a fair trade off.
To the last post:
"fair trade off" you are a fuckin idiot!
They have crippled goons walking around with guns? Good lord, talk about a mistake, man goon shoots guy for taking his handicap parking space!
FOP still SUXXXXX !!!!!
it is amazing that two or three people asking questions about the administration of this union can stop a contract and delay retirement for everyone. If two or three people are so effective against the millions of FOP just think what an honest, for the membership, administration could accomplish if they weren't so worried about the pot of gold they have discovered. Time for one term office holders. members dues money makes whores out of all union officers unless of course they were whores when they started.
The NOLAN Adminstration???
Nolan did great. Made lots of money. He's still making lots of money. He retired at, what, a dic at best? Now he's in charge of the Skokie courthouse. Not bad. Talk about a guy who knew how to play the game!!!
There's millions of members in the FOP?
Anonymous said...
Was that "Pig Vomit" Hallinan cryin' like a mofo again?
12/16/2005 08:28:45 AM
Above is a good representation of the calliber of the FLOP representatives. It's nice to know they are sitting in their cushy offices on Washington monitoring this blog for anti-FLOP propaganda.
Local FLOP 7 likes to take credit for things the state and national do.
Inability to negotiate a contract is what this administration will be known for. Give it to the Arbitrator!
02:23
"millions" refers to your membership money
TO: 12:36:23 PM
Are you saying the disabled coppers that can’t work for the department will now be walking around with guns? If they can carry, why can't they come back to work? Just asking.
How come Carlos "I sued the Police" Saladino stil works at the the FOP getting FOP member's money. No one ever answers that question. F - the FOP, FOP Donahue FOP Carlos.
4:42 You shoot a gun using your hands, not your knees, back or heart. Let me guess...you didn't do real well on the second part of the dick's exam?
Well that’s pretty stupid! If you can use your hands and shoot your gun, you should be in call back or any other light duty position.
No one may work if they cannot walk unaided, otherwise, they're put on disability. That means, no cane, no walker, no wheelchair. Many people using those devices can also handle a gun. That means, medical retirees who can qualify with a weapon may carry.
Many people in the states that allow concealed carry have such permits yet cannot walk unaided. So you're saying a medical retiree should not be allowed to carry concealed if he cannot walk unaided? That means you're a jagoff.
If a medical retiree can shoot straight and has his wits, I say let him carry concealed. And I also say to you, go fuck yourself.
Amen Brother!
Gotta say everyone that I beleive that Mark "Daley" Donahoe is a political hack for the Dems and himself. He is not here for US and will not do anything to jepordize his future "Retirement" job.
I have been in FOP since it was very young and I say it's time for decertification and the hiring of an actual "Union."
Change is hard and the search will be met with opponents, but in the long run, THE OFFICERS WILL BENEFIT.
Just my opinion.
“No one may work if they cannot walk unaided, otherwise, they're put on disability. That means, no cane, no walker, no wheelchair.”
So you know one of your G.O. Good for you. But you can’t tell me all, or even most of the coppers on disability are using a cane, walker, or wheelchair.
If they can walk “unaided” and their hands work just fine and they want to carry a gun, they should be able to work light duty.
Does the president of your organization, DCPOA, Rosemarie, have a wheelchair, cane, or walker? NO! Do you really think she will be the first disabled officer to put her papers in to carry a gun while on disability? NO! But don’t worry you go ahead and apply she’ll have your back.
If they can walk “unaided” and their hands work just fine and they want to carry a gun, they should be able to work light duty.
In some cases you're probably right. If we have dogass coppers abusing the medical, it only stands to reason that we have dogass coppers who abuse disability rolls.
But that doesn't answer the question. The question is should medical retirees be able to carry? The answer is yes, provided they qualify. They don't have to do shoot practical combat course of fire, just show proficiency. Jesus H. CHRIST, get off your high horse will ya? I'm all for putting dogasses to work, whether they're medical roll abusers or disability roll abusers, but quit mixing apples and oranges. If you should get hurt or fall ill and have to take a disability pension, don't go acting like you wouldn't want the same treatment.
Happy Holidays
P.S. I'm full duty and I've never met Rosemarie. Wouldn't know her if she walked in my front door.
The question had NOTHING to do with retiree’s: Just look below.
TO: 12:36:23 PM
“Are you saying the disabled coppers that can’t work for the department will now be walking around with guns? If they can carry, why can't they come back to work? Just asking.”
Now will somebody answer the original question: Will disabled coppers that can’t work for the department now be walking around with guns? If they can carry, why can't they come back to work?
It’s a valid question. I just want to know.
Call Ro she knows more about what duty disabled officers can and can’t do than anyone. Some people should take a few lessons from her. I know Ro and she has the guts to be the first disabled officer to hand in her application. She is a real leader.
If Mookie can carry a gun in his wheel chair and work security for the dope man on Manistee.
A retired Police officer who has no plans of doing police work can carry his gun to protect himself and his family from someone the likes of you...
answer this!
How many legit people have you ever pinched with a gun?
Don't include security guards out after their hour or the guy who shoots his old lady!
This whole discussion is pointless! The federal law is PASSED! The feds should certify. Go to an FBI range, shoot and show proof you were the police. End of story!
As for any copper who fucks with a retired guy cerified or not SHAME ON THEM!
Donahue, & Co tactic to deal with comments they know are true is to attack the character of the person who has the guts to tell the truth they never answer the charge just attck the person. Gutless one and all
Yes, maybe thay make an armored wheelchair with gun mounts. They could put off-road tires on it and a turbo-charger! It could have robotic assist for those who can't move their arms! GO WATERBOY!!!!
Looks like the answer to the question is "yes".
I've been on furlough for a while, are the White SOX in the playoffs?
Not yet but they will be soon. Wanna buy some tickets to the World Series for next year? They will be in Chicago again.
Firemen, and retired coppers have been carrying since prophibition... who needs Sir Ritchie's opinion??? This is about as serious as the new cell phone law...
"Carrying" concealed weapons isn't the problem. It's when you get caught with one, or have to use one that you get in the shit. It's nice to have the law on your side when you're only trying to protect you and yours.
Where does one get the necessary paperwork to apply for carry and conceal
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