Friday, December 23, 2005

Open Thread

Tis the season and all that, so we are going to be taking a short break today as we finish up some shopping or cooking or wrapping or something. We'll be posting this evening and we're assuming everyone is ducking out early for the long weekend. So post your Christmas thoughts here if you aren't going to be checking in over the weekend.

WE WILL BE POSTING OVER CHRISTMAS.

Perhaps not three times a day, but we will be here (or somewhere near a computer). Expect a Quick Hits post, an update on the Sergeant's contract if they settle, something special for one of our celebrity readers and who knows what else. We've also got a fun post for next week that ought to stir the creative juices a bit. See you this evening.

148 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm 1st!!!!!!!!!!!

fucking dork.

12/23/2005 01:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

T.R.U.

Truly
Retarded
Unit

016/022=lazy

12/23/2005 01:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just kidding about the previous post... i have love and respect for everyone that wears blue... just thought i'd get it out of the way before anyone else decides to bash the police.

12/23/2005 01:37:00 AM  
Anonymous m seiser said...

The flogging shall continue until morale improves...

12/23/2005 02:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Love this job. Always will. But we have leadership issues, and a lot of it has to do with the way we promote. Lots of questions surrounding the Cancer Cluster blog. Hopefully the U.S. Attorney will look into it.

We could require a masters degree from Ivy League schools and we would still have dip shit of duty stuff happening. It always has and it always will. Just get used to it, but feel free to bash on those who are guilty. They deserve it.

Not sure what will happen next year to Daley, but I'm sure he's worried. Incidentley when we talk about that drooling idiot we should bring up his brain more often, Degnan and Joyce. They do his thinking. If you don't like how Daley treats the police you should look at those two. Daley hasn't had an intelligent thought in, oh how about never. Joyce was a cop, but don't kid yourself he was not one of us. One of his kids runs the ASAs for Divine. If you do or don't like the ASAs you can thank Joyce. I'm sorry, I'm starting to sound like John Kass.

The FOP. Well listen, until we start putting in lawyers and accountants (in other words educated people) in charge of the FOP we will be walked on all over by Daley. The problem isn't Donahue the problem is that nobody (Daley) fears the FOP. When you get someone smart in there (we have smart people on this job, but the city gets control of them- get a law degree and get promoted) they will cause real problems (lawsuits for Freedom of Information etc.,). I know the FOP has lawyers on retainer but believe me they are not interested in taking on big dick. It tends to be a career killer in this town. The FOP positions pay very well but we don't have any kind of recruiting effort (we tend to get loud mouth goof balls who do the most whining). If you know a smart guy (well educated give them some encouragement- lawyers and accountants welcome- if they happen to be aggressive cops great, but definitely not a requirement).

12/23/2005 02:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On ABC 7 news tonight, there was a segment about an investigation regarding police officers allegedly taking \"inappropriate\" pictures of the Midway airplane crash, and then posting them on the Internet. One of the accused is a female PO who is now detailed to the Detective Division for investigative familiarity training. In other words, she is in the next sergeant\'s class. She had pictures taken of her standing next to the plane with the 6 year-old victim\'s car still in the background, AND SHE IS SMILING! In addition, she e-mailed the photos to everyone she knows! What do you think the victim\'s family will think of the pictures? STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPID!
Here\'s the link to the story:
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=3751782
They blurred the face of the officer on the website, but just think Hitney Baby, one more time!

12/23/2005 03:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ABC7 said...
Where are the pics?

CPD investigates \'inappropriate\' photos of Midway crash
December 22, 2005 - Several Chicago police officers may be getting in trouble for apparently taking some souvenir photos of themselves next to that Southwest Airlines jet that crashed outside Midway Airport.

The pictures are now making the rounds on the Internet. They appear to show several plainclothes officers posing in front of the plane and close-up shots of damaged vehicles.
A spokesperson for the Chicago Police Department says the photos are \"regrettable and inappropriate.\"

The department is still looking into whether the officers were assigned to the crash scene or used their police credentials to get close to the crash or onto the airfield.

12/22/2005 10:49:52 PM

12/23/2005 03:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Not_a_bosses_kid said...

Why did the FBI raid the home of the Melrose Park Police Chief? Just curious..

Also rumor is that some CPD officers are in hotwater for taking their photos posing next to the Southwest Jet that crashed at Midway several weeks back. The Department is investigating!

Have a Merry Christmas..Stay Safe!

12/23/2005 05:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Christmas Poem
By Deputy Chief Frank Radke

Twas the night before Christmas,
And all through the house,
Not a creature was stirring,
Not even a mouse.

So I drank all the booze in my house,
And then I passed out!

THE END

12/23/2005 06:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 06:43,

BRUTAL!!!! Funnier than shit, but BRUTAL!!!! Ha ha ha ha

12/23/2005 07:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got this in the mail- sounds like the city might owe us some overtime $$$-

"Regular Rate" Violation Costs Lexington $693,000 In Overtime Pay
FROM THE LEXINGTON HERALD-LEADER, November22

LEXINGTON, KY - The city owes more than 600 Lexington firefighters nearly $700,000 because of a miscalculation in overtime pay, according to the state Department of Labor.

The state discovered the problem when it audited the city's firefighter overtime records after a complaint was filed by the local chapter of the International Association of Fire Fighters in June.

Lexington firefighters have been underpaid because their overtime pay was calculated using their base pay instead of their total salary, which includes pay supplements such as a uniform allowance, special duty pay and a city and state training incentive.

Other cities across the state are grappling with the same issue. Last year, a Jefferson Circuit judge ruled that Louisville was incorrectly calculating overtime pay - a decision that could cost that city millions. The case is on appeal.

Joe LaGrotto, an investigator with the state Labor Department, said the department investigates any time a complaint is filed.

Federal overtime laws say that any regular bonuses or supplements that employees can count on as part of their salary need to be calculated for overtime, said Michael Allen, Lexington's human resources director.

For example, an employee who makes $12 an hour could earn a regular weekly commission that pushes his pay rate up to $13 an hour. If that employee works more than 40 hours, the overtime pay should be calculated at $13 an hour, not $12, said LaGrotto.

Lexington firefighters should receive their back overtime pay in December, Allen said.
But Mark Blankenship, president of the local International Association of Fire Fighters 526, said the $693,192.85 the city intends to pay 602 firefighters is a "very low figure" for what is really owed. "It's based only on partial supplements, not all of the supplements."

Blankenship said the union is contemplating further legal action.

The amount owed by the city includes the city training incentive and special duty pay. The Labor Department hasn't determined how much the city must pay in overtime back pay for uniform allowances or state training incentives.

Although the city has been underpaying firefighters for years, state statute allows for only five years of back pay, Allen said.

The city's overtime miscalculation was a minor one, Allen said. The impact to each firefighter averages $230.30 a year, or $8.86 each pay period.

"It's only a little bit per firefighter, but if you look at all the firefighters over a number of years, it adds up," LaGrotto said.

The firefighters union discovered the overtime discrepancy during its recent collective bargaining sessions with the city, Blankenship said.

"We went through contract negotiations and found out the way they had been paying overtime was improper," he said.

The city and firefighters union signed a three-year collective bargaining contract in June. The overtime calculation problem was corrected with the first paychecks firefighters received after the contract went into effect in July, Allen said.

The city plans to cover the nearly $700,000 in back pay by using money from the general fund, the city's main operating account.

12/23/2005 07:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is an interesting segment about the abandoned calls at chicago's 911 center....

abc7chicago.com

For those who only like to watch TV there is a video there too.

12/23/2005 07:32:00 AM  
Anonymous alcoholics not so anonymous said...

For the love of God, will a certain Deputy Chief go on the wagon as a New Year's resolution. Take the Twelve Steps. You're a disgrace. Have some pride and self esteem. Everyone is ridiculing you behind your back. Consider pulling the pin and tending to your health and longevity.

12/23/2005 07:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Open question for CPD bosses (including Supt. Cline): Do you think the girl in the SouthWest Airlines crash photos STILL
"Merits" a promotion to Sergeant?

They haven't started real Sergeants classes yet. Can you still take it back?

12/23/2005 08:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Saw the 9-11 thing there. Heard they cleared out the last of the retired POs, though not the last of the retired bosses or the last of the current POs.

I'd think a lot of those calls would be serial prank callers (kids, mentals, drunks), people who otherwise call back, people calling from pay phones or unrecognized numbers which can't be called back or, duh, people who call back themselves or are called back by the center.

So those numbers are a bit misleading.

That said, the retired PO has it right. Chicago would NEVER be able to handle a 9-11 well. Corrupt and incompetent political bosses everywhere. No planning, no training, no staffing, too many people held unaccountable, you name it.

That is, unless anyone here thinks Cline and Trotter are up to it.

And they wonder why Chicago and Cook County are losing population?

12/23/2005 08:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SEISER RUNS IT!!!

12/23/2005 08:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SEISER AND FRANKENPAPA RUN IT FROM 024!!!

12/23/2005 08:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wonder how Channel 7 got the 911 story? Maybe from the lawyer, but I also know off-duty P/o's have worked at WLS for years. I hope none of them tipped off that goof Chuck Guidee.

Also, was that 12-year, 911 call taker interviewed on camera really laid off, or does he have an axe to grind?

12/23/2005 09:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Huberman was running 911 during the biggest problem time but he has moved up. Also can 911 be better yes it can it always sounds like a party down their when you listen to the radio. Also it takes two number 1's to do what a number 2 can do go figure.

12/23/2005 09:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The way I heard it, they laid off all remaining retired POs.

This has occurred in waves over several years, this being the second or third wave. Not sure, but I think they've done the same to a few, but certainly not all, retired CPD supervisors down there too.

There are a LOT of axes to grind down there. How would you feel if your last 3 bosses were Trotter, Huberman and Velazques?

Don't answer that. I guess it might be the same way most feel having the last 3 bosses as Cline, Hillard and Rodrigues.

12/23/2005 09:08:00 AM  
Anonymous old, fat and happy said...

Can I ask what the big deal over the photo's of the plane crash are?

I know I have quite the scrap book of crime scene photos and other assorted odd shit from over the last few decades. Hell, I know a few detectives who still send out the most gruesome crime scene photos they can find as Christmas Cards every year!

I don't see why this broad is getting crucified. It's not like she's got her arm around the dead kid with a big smile on her face!

12/23/2005 09:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Old,Fat and Happy,

How would you feel if that was the scene where one of your family members just died due to someone else's negligence. Taking photos of a scene is one thing, but posing in the picture and smiling is just wrong. We are supposed to be professional, at least act like it in certain circumstances. Especailly "heater" cases such as this.

12/23/2005 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous old, fat and happy said...

All I'm saying is I don't know any coppers who have NEVER taken a pic at a crime scene or some sort of unusual occurance, ie;a freaking plane on Central Ave.!!!

I don't know this girl, but I find it hard to believe to that the thinking behind taking that pic was, "here's me on the scene of a little kid's death". She may not have even known that a kid died at that point, and even if she did, SO WHAT? Is it really any more disrespectful than plastering the kid's face in the newspapers everyday since the tragedy? I doubt she's the only person to have an "unathorized" pic of that plane from that night!

Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know anymore. Everytime I read this blog, I realize I'm a dinosaur and that things like integrity are long gone.

12/23/2005 09:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CHRISTMAS CHUG-A-LUG

Sullivan vs. Radke for CPD Champ!

12/23/2005 09:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pictures were being taken by everybody walking by!!!! Not everyday you see a plane sitting on a residential street. Liberal media!!!!!

12/23/2005 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was e-mailed the photos of the 2 Officers by the airplane and was surprised at their lack of common sense. I worked with them both in 009 and they are very good people. But this was a very poor lack of judgment on their part. The pictures are one thing, but to post them on the internet?? Me thinks they're regretting that move!

12/23/2005 10:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The latest rumor has Cortez Trotter bring indicted by the fed for millions of dollars earmarked for 911 center improvments that wound up in the city's general fund. Also millions earmarked for extra firefighter training since 9/11 that can't be accounted for. Should be interesting.

12/23/2005 10:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know we get in the habit of police bashing on this site (I'm from 022), but I want to wish ALL a Merry Christmas and a safe and healthy New Year! Be careful and look out for each other!

12/23/2005 10:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At what point and time does a P.O. while on duty suppose to take pictures of a crime scene for personal usage and or gain. At what point in time does that person disconnect from the payroll to follow their own personal venue. If the Dept. is able to restict personnel from talking to the media while on duty should taking and dissembling photos be as restrictive
and if such photos turn up in a commercial media for compensation, the city has legitimate grounds to receive equal compensation for what it employee(s) did on city time

12/23/2005 10:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You work in IAD, don't you?

12/23/2005 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey brother & sisters. Go to the Chicago Police Association of Nevada's website and read the last three comments in the guestbook. They didn't fool around out there. http://www.cpaon.org

12/23/2005 10:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MERRY CHRISTMAHANNAKWANZAA !!!!

12/23/2005 10:51:00 AM  
Anonymous My Christmas List.. said...

All I want for Christmas in new guys on 1631 bt third watch, not too much to ask?

12/23/2005 10:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:43 a.m., very funny stuff. That just amde my day. Can you write one about Cline now? Pleeze!

As for the pictures, just plain stupid. Taking them for your own personal scrapbook is one thing (my grandfather was a cop and after he died we found some cool photos among his stuff), but posting them on the internet is just dumb!

How many times have you see or heard about some suicide or homicide scene (wait, aren't they the same now, according to our reporting practices?) photos taken by a P.O. or Det. ending up on the internet?

Anyone connected to that should take time. I wouldn't be surprised if the family added them to their lawsuit for additional pain and suffering. Think about that, dummies.

Have a safe and Merry Christmas. No fighting over the turkey leg! me

12/23/2005 11:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did the arbitrator come back with a decision for the Sergeant's contract?

12/23/2005 12:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes. Type Chicago PBPA156a in the search engine and go to their web site.

12/23/2005 12:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What do you alll tink of this?

----
New Home Sales Fall More Than Expected
Posted: Friday, Dec 23, 2005 - 09:51:47 am PST
By MARTIN CRUTSINGER


WASHINGTON - Sales of new homes plunged in November by the largest amount in nearly 12 years, providing the most dramatic evidence yet that the red hot housing market over the last five years is starting to cool down.

The Commerce Department reported Friday that new single-family homes were sold at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 1.245 million units last month, a drop of 11.3 percent from October, when sales had surged to an all-time high.

Last month's decline was even bigger than the 8.7 percent drop-off that Wall Street analysts had been expecting. While sales of both new and existing homes are still on track to set records for a fifth straight year in 2005, analysts are forecasting sales will decline in 2006 as the housing boom quiets down.

Analysts are looking for home sales to dip by around 6 percent next year under the impact of rising mortgage rates. Analysts believe that house prices, which had been soaring at double digit rates, will moderate as well.

Some of that price moderation was evidenced in the November report, which showed that the median price of a new home sold was $225,200 last month. That was up just 0.3 percent from November 2004, the weakest year-over-year price change in two years. The November median price was down 4.1 percent from the October median sales price of $234,800.

12/23/2005 01:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shame on those officers who took those pictures...their names should be in print...Hitney and who? Steve P from 009?

The "MERIT" female is a great example of what is wrong with our department...taking smiling photos at a scene where a little kid gets killed right before Xmas...spends whole career at a desk job and doesn't know what to do when she gets on the street....everyone knows who she is and should let her know exactly what a moron she is

At least our department is promoting what they want in management positions....idiots!

12/23/2005 01:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2005 Homicide #s please!

12/23/2005 01:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thursday, December 22, 2005

The US Must Be Swarming With Al Qaedans if That's What the NSA Spying Was All About

It's pretty obvious what the Bush administration was doing with that National Security Administration spying program.

Look at the facts:

The NSA has this awesome computer technology that allows it to use written and spoken keywords to monitor all telephone and internet communications (though it has been barred under law from using that ability on domestic communications since 1978).

...

And yet, Bush wasn't happy. We now learn (courtesy of a belated report in the New York Times which was withheld from publication for almost a year), that he instead issued a secret executive order to authorize the NSA, or elements within the NSA, to go outside that FISA warrant process to monitor domestic communications 18000 times over the past four years.

...

Does anyone really believe there are thousands of legitimate Al Qaeda targets to monitor in the U.S.? If so, just who is left for the U.S. to allegedly be hunting in Afghanistan? The entire Al Qaeda terrorist apparatus, and probably Hamas and the Red Army Faction, must have moved stateside to come up with those kinds of numbers!

No. History has made it all too obvious what has actually been going on: It’s Cointelpro all over again.
----

18,000 times??? I have one question how many times did they do this BEFORE 9/11?

P.S. THE NEW YORK TIMES IS *NOT* LIBERAL!!!!! No liberal would have sat on this story for a whole year. Think back exactly one year ago. Mid Dec 2004. What had just happened? The figgin election!!

12/23/2005 01:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, I asked if that suck-hole jimmie curry is still in 025? WELL???

12/23/2005 01:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

December 23, 2005

Whats the Fed Up To With the Money Supply?
by Robert McHugh

Over the past two days, December 21st - when our first Hindenburg Omen (of whatever cluster is coming) - and Thursday December 22nd, the Federal Reserve has conducted one of the largest two-day Repo injections of money into the system since back in September 2001. On Wednesday they added $18.0 billion in reserves and on Thursday they added another $20.0 billion. Is this a coincidence, coming right as we get another Hindenburg Omen? Probably not. Is something high-risk going on behind the scenes here? Let's review some facts at the Fed. On November 10th, 2005, shortly after appointing Bernanke to replace Greenbackspan, the Fed mysteriously announced with little comment and no palatable justification that they will hide M-3 effective March 2006. M-3 has been the main staple of money supply measurement and transparent disclosure since the Fed was founded back in 1913. It is the key monetary aggregate that includes Fed Repo transactions, that mechanism whereby the Fed increases reserves. The date when M-3 will start being hidden also happens to be the exact month that Iran will declare economic war against the U.S. Dollar by trading its oil in Petro-Euros on its new bourse. But there is more. The Federal Reserve currently has three vacancies within the 19 top Regional Bank and Board of Governor spots. Why? Part of ongoing wholesale resignations.

...

http://www.safehaven.com/
showarticle.cfm?id=4331&pv=1

12/23/2005 02:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While the pictures show a pretty impaired level of judgement, our judgements get impaired almost universally get impaired in this cesspool.

POs deal with the worst elements, the criminal elements, the residue of the political elements, the results of bad hiring and promotion prospects.

What do we see as a result? Severaly impaired judgements exhibited every day by people on this job. Witness those who tell stories about all the crime scene photos.

Don't get me wrong, I personally don't have a problem with crime scene photos, though this Central Ave. thing does seem a bit extra over the top. But society? Society does not approve of any of it.

Not drunk driving, not bar fights, not unauthorized crime scene photos. Not political hiring and promotions. Not our (including mine) black and gallows humor. Look around you at those not exposed to all of this. They do not approve.

And they shouldn't.

Anyway, I'm just saying, this should not cost her a promotion. Compared to what some of these other promotees have done in the last few years? Come on.

Maybe just ask her to give a prepared statement to the media expressing regret. Maybe 1 or 2 days off without pay.

But Christ, this kind of poor taste is everywhere in the dept. Everywhere.

12/23/2005 02:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some history:

1861: President Abraham Lincoln (16th President of the United States from 1860 till his assassination in 1865) approaches the Rothschilds to try to obtain loans to support the ongoing American civil war.

The Rothschilds agree provided Lincoln allows them a Charter for another United States central bank and are prepared to pay 24% to 36% interest on all monies loaned.

Lincoln was very angry about this high level of interest and so he printed his own debt free money and informed the public that this was now legal tender for both public and private debts.

1862: By April $449,338,902 worth of Lincoln’s debt free money had been printed and distributed. He went on to state,

“We gave the people of this republic the greatest blessing they ever had, their own paper money to pay their own debts.”

That same year The Times of London publishes A story containing the following statement,
“If that mischievous financial policy, which had its origin in the North American Republic, should become indurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without a debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of civilized governments of the world.
The brains and the wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.”

1865: In a statement to Congress, President Abraham Lincoln states,

“I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me, and the financial institution in the rear. Of the two, the one in my rear is my greatest foe.”

Later that year President Lincoln is assassinated.

12/23/2005 02:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9-11 Center is just another political patronage army that da mayor has created to further cement his power and enhance his image to those that do not know any better. They don't know what they are doing down there and it doesn't surprise me that they have dropped this many calls. What galls me is the way they think that they are in charge of the streets. Bring back the old COS room that was staffed with empty holsters. At least they had some idea what the field units were up against and needed. The call taker sat right next to the dispatcher so if the field unit needed some additional info, all the dispatcher had to do was talk to the guy sitting right next to him. Now, the call taker and the dispatcher are in separate rooms. Try to call 9-11 from the crime scene and ask to talk to the call taker. It will take an act of Congress to get you through.I particularly like it when they dispatch a hot call, say a robbery just occured and the offenders are fleeing w/ on "pick a street". "Squad, any discription of the car, offenders or maybe a plate number" Dispatcher- "Nothing further". Then you get on the scene, talk to the victim and find out that all that information was given to the call taker. Happens all the time. Just another example of what happens when they remove the power from the Police and give it to the know nothing civilians. Goudie should also realize that there is absolutely no accountability down there. If you want to beef about a call taker, dispatcher, good luck, it ain't happening. They are a law unto themselves. They do what they want, how they want when they want and unless a supervisor steps in, they run the show. Think about this. That center cost, how much to build? And what has changed since it became operational? Nothing, things have gotten worse. They can make these boasts about how good they are but I guarantee you, they cannot back up the lies that they tell. That retired copper was right, if we ever had an attack like New York had, the 9-11 center would implode, they couldn't handle it. And who is this Velaquez guy? I wonder what is qualifications are.

12/23/2005 02:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey just wondering how that new dog team is doing in SOS???? Bet you guys didnt see that coming when you went there huh? Sgt. Brownstein and his crazy dog chasers, now that sounds fun hahahaha.

12/23/2005 02:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Try to call 9-11 from the crime scene and ask to talk to the call taker. It will take an act of Congress to get you through.I particularly like it when they dispatch a hot call, say a robbery just occured and the offenders are fleeing w/ on "pick a street". "Squad, any discription of the car, offenders or maybe a plate number" Dispatcher- "Nothing further". Then you get on the scene, talk to the victim and find out that all that information
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I love it when they sit on a job like a robbery (of a real N.Side citz/vict) for 8 + minutes!! Many call takers are useless.

12/23/2005 02:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HOMICIDE TALLY -- Don't have the actual murder number, but it's five ahead of last year on this date. So all the conspiracy theorists' prior forecasts of more death investigations and fudging the numbers don't seem to have come true. After all, if that were the case, wouldn't we still be down? Now don't say that the number crunchers were told to just keep it close to last year. If there were a real sham to fabricate the number, we'd be down. And if we do wind up down slightly from last year, don't say that the big scheme to drop the number kicked into high gear during the last six days of the year. The number is the number and I am proud that its around the same as last year. Shows that 04 wasnt a fluke.

12/23/2005 03:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Boston is up to a 10 year high, half its all time, but more than twice its recent low. Hard to replace Evans.

Crime is down 10% in LA again this year. Bratton, Bratton, Bratton. I love seeing that ivory-tower criminoligists pooh-pooh the Bratton/police/accountability effect. No, no say they, its demographics, its community relations, its gentrification and the economy.

I'd love to bring that guy here.

Anyone getting the idea that gas bills this year are a conspiracy to get poor people to move back South? Just a thought.

12/23/2005 03:31:00 PM  
Anonymous unarmed retiree said...

Received a letterhead form letter from the CPD Personnel Division dated December 19th. The text, over the signature of the Commander, Personnel Division, reads verbatim as follows:

Dear Mr. (Retiree):

This letter is sent in response to your inquiry about Chicago Police Department procedures for qualifying retired officers to carry a firearm pursuant to The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004. The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 leaves several important issues unresolved, including, but not limited to, the issues of liability, standards for the certification of retirement in "good standing" and a comprehensive and reliable identification system. Until these areas of concern are addressed by federal legislation, the Department has declined to adopt new procedures for qualifying retired officers to carry a firearm pursuant to The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004.

We hope that you understand the Department's concerns.

Sincerely,
s/(Cmdr., Personnel)

12/23/2005 03:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We hope that you understand the Department's concerns.

Sincerely,
s/(Cmdr., Personnel)

12/23/2005 03:42:29 PM

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Oh, we understand alright.....

12/23/2005 03:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The OEC sucks. I've talked to many complainants/citizens who have told me that the call taker told them it would be better if they were anonymous instead of giving their info. Thanks for making our job harder.

12/23/2005 03:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anyway, I'm just saying, this should not cost her a promotion. Compared to what some of these other promotees have done in the last few years? Come on.

Maybe just ask her to give a prepared statement to the media expressing regret. Maybe 1 or 2 days off without pay.

But Christ, this kind of poor taste is everywhere in the dept. Everywhere.

12/23/2005 02:12:23 PM "
It doesnt matter if this behavior is everwhere. If she is really going to get promoted then I would expect more out of a supervisior then this. Maybe I was brought up all wrong but I just dont see how this is a good idea. You got all the news media down there. You got all the bosses down there. And most of all a little kid died there. Now if it was some low life or something i would have more tolerance for it, but this is a six year old kid.

"She may not have even known that a kid died at that point
"
From what i can tell the picture looks like its taken during natural daylight. You dont see the shadows behind her coming from more then one light source,i.e. many flood lights. She had to have known by then.

12/23/2005 04:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
The OEC sucks. I've talked to many complainants/citizens who have told me that the call taker told them it would be better if they were anonymous instead of giving their info. Thanks for making our job harder.

12/23/2005 03:59:25 PM"

___________________________________

Its apparently less to type that way. "We have no further info."

Sad isn't it.

12/23/2005 04:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Boston is up to a 10 year high, half its all time, but more than twice its recent low. Hard to replace Evans.

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I heard the FBI numbers. All v/c is down ~5-10%, except Homicides. Which is up across the nation.

12/23/2005 04:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck Tookie!!

12/23/2005 04:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sieser and Frankenpapa STILL run it!

12/23/2005 04:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Merry Christmas!!!!!

12/23/2005 04:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Wag the Dog said...

Someone took two pics at different times. One of the plane with nobody in the foreground. The other of the officr at some function, say... a detail at a parade. Then they took the two and put them together. Yeah, that's the ticket.

12/23/2005 04:47:00 PM  
Blogger Rue St. Michel said...

Merry Christmas!

12/23/2005 05:05:00 PM  
Anonymous arbitrator goldstein said...

Sergeant's Arbitration is settled . . . . GO TO:

http://www.pbpa156a.org/Sergeants%20Contract.pdf

12/23/2005 05:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Malcolm X's liitle brother said...

Why does someone keep repeating f Tookie. What is the point?

I thought European-Americans had more education than persons of color, at least that's what "you" guys say. I repeatedly wonder how the white man conquered the world.

12/23/2005 05:11:00 PM  
Anonymous i know why you shithead said...

. . . I repeatedly wonder how the white man conquered the world.


Well lets see.. He conquered the world because likes of you were busy laying up in the bed till 4 in the afternoon and missed fucking school.

12/23/2005 05:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ROFLMMAO

12/23/2005 05:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry one two many "m"s. I was rolling on the floor.

12/23/2005 05:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I repeatedly wonder how the white man conquered the world...

Read Guns, Germs and Steel. It was a best seller. Its not racist. It explains societal evolution, and its very interesting. It traces movement of humans out of Africa through time, and explains how different groups on different continents had different resources. Some made mistakes, like Africans killing mammals that could be domesticated. Generations of their descendants in Europe and/or other places learned to make use of mammals by domesticating them.

It explains the evolution of warfare, farming, you name it.

It acknowledges that we are all descendants of Africa. But it explains how the white man conquered the world.

The author's latest book is "Collapse", which explains how some civilizations collapsed entirely. I'm reading it now.

This is a serious suggestion for anyone. It was a best-seller and winner of national literary awards. Very worth reading.

12/23/2005 05:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You fucking police like ripping on dispatchers!!!?? Well I am a dispatcher and can relate thousands of stories about PO's milking lunches, personnels, etc. Staying down on jobs as you drive to your lunch locations or just fuck off. I wish the media would contact me and could tell some juicy stories about you guys. Until then I will just deny your lunch requests and send messages to your supervisor about you being down.

Cant wait for GPS to really hold you guys accountable.

Happy Chanukah!!!

12/23/2005 05:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well i dont think its the dispatcher fult most of the time...its the call taker..they dont care..they have to clear the board and dont care about are safety..they will give you the lic#, color,vin#,city sticker #, of a number 1-parker..but will never ask for the description of a offender. THEY DONT CARE..I hear the guy down their before ..Trotter..hire alot of his people from his church choir,to be call takers,with out taken their applications..so the city got what they wanted again..people who know people..not the best of the best...merry x-mas..

12/23/2005 06:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
You fucking police like ripping on dispatchers!!!?? Well I am a dispatcher and can relate thousands of stories about PO's milking lunches, personnels, etc. Staying down on jobs as you drive to your lunch locations or just fuck off. I wish the media would contact me and could tell some juicy stories about you guys. Until then I will just deny your lunch requests and send messages to your supervisor about you being down.

Cant wait for GPS to really hold you guys accountable.

Happy Chanukah!!!

12/23/2005 05:47:36 PM"

You can't deny me anything. Thank God for that. You do not control my comings and goings! I tell you where I am at and I tell you to run plates and names.

I know I know, you know what its like to be the police. Just please, do not spill your coffee on the console.

Just how can you relate ANYTHING that goes on in the streets from behind the safety of the 911 center. Are you out there? Do you have personal knowledge of any of this or do you in your infinite wisdom THINK you know? Your juicy stories are useless because you are MILES away from where the police are in the comfort of the 911 center.

"No Further Info!"

12/23/2005 06:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just watch me deny your lunch during a RAP. Also, my best weapon against you is sending secret messages to your sergeant. And just wait until they activate your GPS.

DONT THINK I CANT FUCK WITH YOU!!!! I WILL...ONLY BY MAKING YOU DO YOUR JOB!!!!

12/23/2005 06:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Before you bash the current employees at COS keep in mind that job sucks. It doesn't pay well (nothing like the D-2 pay that police made there) for the civilians. There are a LOT, LOT, LOT of charges of racism and discrimination. Why anyone who is capable of becoming the police would work there as a civilian is beyond me.

12/23/2005 06:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Malcolm X's liitle brother said...

The reason the white man conquered the world is because of his treachrous and deceitful ways. If he had never stolen natives from Africa then the European-American would have been stuck with the hard work.

And don't give me that blarney the black man sold bis own people. They were kidnapped from Africa and no black man sold his brother.

12/23/2005 06:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
Just watch me deny your lunch during a RAP. Also, my best weapon against you is sending secret messages to your sergeant. And just wait until they activate your GPS.

DONT THINK I CANT FUCK WITH YOU!!!! I WILL...ONLY BY MAKING YOU DO YOUR JOB!!!!

12/23/2005 06:06:49 PM"

You do not dispatch me and please try to be a professional. There is no need to cuss!

I DO NOT need you to do my job. You are my support, not my supervisor. You do understand that right? You are support personnel.

You do not make me do my job, you relay information. I do my job and you do yours. Get complete information on offenders and stop hitting that checkmark for refusal of caller information.

I will say it again. You don't control me or my comings and goings. You relay information. Get over your self-importance.

"No further info!"

12/23/2005 06:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I did not bash the dispatchers. One came with a bad attitude and it was given back.

12/23/2005 06:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love it when they sit on a job like a robbery (of a real N.Side citz/vict) for 8 + minutes!! Many call takers are useless.

12/23/2005 02:51:41 PM

This says alot for the stupid mind set of some of the newer cops on this job.The whole city pays your paycheck , not just the north side.If you have any time on the job , hope you enjoy your retirement check from the real vic/citizens from just the real citizens of the north side and don't get a penny from the non vic/citz from the south or west side. But then again , you should'nt have a problem with that in mt greenwood.Poor flesh colored trash.

12/23/2005 06:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you want us to believe that a few white guys pulled up to Africa and took some of the greatest warriors of all time into captivity?

To really top this off it was the Ducth spice traders, a bunch of fat, pipe smoking, Ducthmen did this?

Or did one tribe(call them the winners) sell off the losers in this or that battle??

Your time is done, it is sad but you missed the bell

12/23/2005 06:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The white man conquered the world with some water balloons and a bottle of Chivas Regal...and it was pretty easy.

12/23/2005 06:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 5:47:36
Hi Chris!

12/23/2005 06:40:00 PM  
Blogger Crimefile said...

The day the Chicago Police Department let civilians answer the phone or dispatch officers was the day the department began a decline into Hell.

The civilians don't have the training and have never been in the trenches. For the most part the civilians wrongly think they can do as well as the police, they can't.

This job should be done by sworn officers only. There are enough light duty and even the empty hoster guys to do the job.

12/23/2005 06:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the above post 100%. I came on in 1986 & we had REAL POLICE dispatching our jobs. They've been there, so they know exactly what it's like on our end of the radio. They were a huge asset to the working stiffs that'll NEVER be duplicated!

12/23/2005 07:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
You fucking police like ripping on dispatchers!!!?? Well I am a dispatcher and can relate thousands of stories about PO's milking lunches, personnels, etc. Staying down on jobs as you drive to your lunch locations or just fuck off. I wish the media would contact me and could tell some juicy stories about you guys. Until then I will just deny your lunch requests and send messages to your supervisor about you being down.

Cant wait for GPS to really hold you guys accountable.

Happy Chanukah!!!

12/23/2005 05:47:36 PM

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Chill! it's not a general U SUCK, but specific issues.

12/23/2005 07:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Malcolm X's liitle brother said...
The reason the white man conquered the world is because of his treachrous and deceitful ways. If he had never stolen natives from Africa then the European-American would have been stuck with the hard work.

And don't give me that blarney the black man sold bis own people. They were kidnapped from Africa and no black man sold his brother.

12/23/2005 06:09:15 PM

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Wow what a bunch of nonsence. Ya'll STILL stealing from each other, brother.

12/23/2005 07:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I love it when they sit on a job like a robbery (of a real N.Side citz/vict) for 8 + minutes!! Many call takers are useless.

12/23/2005 02:51:41 PM

This says alot for the stupid mind set of some of the newer cops on this job.
12/23/2005 06:20:33 PM

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You can cry all you want. I worked a Robbery mission car in a N.Side Dist. It was our responsibility to go to the call, set up perimeters, cut off the escape routes to LSD, do sstops, meet with the vict, make sure the case is done right, write up patterns, make hand out of wanted descripts of offenders, and cars, provide hand outs to the rest of the watch, call back the victs (guess which Area didn't care), do photo line ups, etc.

It's all REALLY frustrating when the ENTRY time is 8 minutes behind the dispatch time.

Yes, they were real victims. Not Juan who lost his pay check to a hooker, or Crack dealing Joe. Get out of the ghetto once in while and you might learn something.

12/23/2005 07:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Puhleeze. There are idiots up there now, but there were idiots up there before.

More than once after a zone erupted at a perceived "civilian" who screwed something up, the regular dispatcher would return and announce "hi buddies, would you believe you just called a sworn PO who has been up here for 15 years a civilian? If you want the police to dispatch, me and my partner X would be glad to let the one you were just SCREAMING at come back".

Go ahead and deny it. It happened 3 times in 2 years where I heard it. And there were hundreds of others who heard the same thing.

Crimefile, I tend to appreciate your opinions, but this one is way off.

There were very few that were really good on the busy zones then, and there are very few that are really good on the busy zones now.

In fact, the person shown on the ABC link is a civilian (please don't name her here, I'm not). She was one of the best dispatchers ever, and most of your old-time dispatchers would tell you the same to your face. There are a few like her around... they just don't usually put them on the slow or medium zones anymore.

Just like how I'm pretty sure it is for you guys, your reward for doing a good job is to have more of a job to do. The prize for the pie-eating contest is more pie. You show that you are in any way good up there, its zone 6, 8, 10 or 12 for the next 12 months for you.

Whatever. A lot of them up there do suck. There is a lot of politics, and a lot of rumors about hiring and promotion, uhm, irregularities that have occurred. Sound familiar?

Oh, and did someone ask who Velazquez is? Come on now. He was one of you guys, just like Huberman, and that broad from R&D who did oh-so-much for you guys in her tenure.

Anyway, this is mostly funny to me. That job freakin sucks. Except for a few like Nick on zone 10, almost none of your old timers would voluntarily work 6, 8, 10 or 12. Not the police and not the retired police. Don't believe me? Ask those who went up there in '94 and '95.

Well, if nothing else, I hope you guys are at least nice to the ones who can keep up. Lord knows there ain't enough of em.

12/23/2005 07:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DID SOMETHING happen with a particular dispatcher today?

12/23/2005 07:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let us not forget the ones who are most responsible for the proliferation of the slave trade: the African kings along the Ivory Coast. No one will ever follow up on this side of history because it is not politically correct; however, the white man never entered the jungle to grab slaves. The African leaders in the area provided them to them at the docks. The Africans were the most vicious element involved in the slave trade. Not that anyone will every mention that part of the deal. Now a day it would be a crime in the public schools to teach that truth.

12/23/2005 07:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi 7:24, I'm not who you were yelling at. Please don't yell at me now!

I agree 100%. I'd be frustrated as hell. If you can't figure out who to give the job to, still just read shit like that out. I know its frowned upon as "wholesaling", but geezus! someone might be right down the street or waiting for these calls!

One of the stupidest things I ever saw up there was them classify Robbery J/Os as priority 2s a long time ago (1995/1996). B/As were "1s", but Robbery J/Os were 2s. The union reps up there used to tell people to disregard the priorities and get the Robbery J/Os out first. Why? Who wouldn't complain if it took the police 10 minutes to get dispatched after a call is made after someone puts a gun in your face.

It was really weird too. The civilians knew it was wrong. You guys in the field knew it was wrong. The retirees up there knew it was wrong. But a committe of PD bosses were the ones who set the priorities. I think it was changed after enough people yelled or made phone calls.

Anyway, I share your concern. That 8 minutes is totally screwed up unless there were a lot of other considerations.

Also regarding the ABC video, I can't help but wonder why the city bothered to send people to court for this. Its not like anyone down there is sworn to secrecy, and the stuff about dropped calls is pretty well known.

12/23/2005 07:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Malcolm's LIttle Brother;
Shut the fuck up, my family used to own yours.

12/23/2005 07:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Listen up Dispatcher. YOU DO NOT DENY ANY COPPER ANYTHING. I will not let any dispatcher RED LINE any of my guys. I will TELL YOU, DISPATCHER, WHAT TO DO. YOU DON'T TELL COPPERS WHAT TO DO. YOU ARE A CIVILIAN, NOT SWORN. THE SAME GOES FOR YOUR SUPERVISORS. SEND ME ALL THE SECRET MESSAGES YOU WANT, I WILL DETERMINE IF SOEMONE IS DOWN TOO LONG, AND IF THEY ARE THEN I WILL TELL YOU HOW TO GO ABOUT HANDLING IT. 10-4?

12/23/2005 07:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not the dispatcher you are arguing with, but you are wrong about the Red Line thing. The dispatcher Red Lines, and a notification is made to the supervisor and operations command. What you do with it is up to you, but the Red Line is theirs to make or not make.

And to the other dispatcher on this thread: of my corner, ho!

12/23/2005 08:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will RED LINE your ass and nothing you can do about it. I will deny you lunch and nothing you can do about it. I will make sure I enter it into the CAD when I dispatch a call to you so as you FUCK off on your way to the domestic and get a cup of coffee before responding and then arrive at the scene too late to prevent a homicide you will GET FIRED for not responding fast enough.

I can, and will, make you dog ass bitches work. Funny thing, the hard workers out there will love me for it.

DONT FUCK OFF ON MY WATCH!!!

12/23/2005 08:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you know....maybe it would be a good idea to play the movie, Roots, backwards. So it has a happy ending.....

12/23/2005 08:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Detroit Piston foward Rasheed Wallace cousin was shot and killed after he shot a Detroit police officer during an undercover drug buy.The officer will be okay. The college student and aspiring basketball player will not..Him and Tookie are now playing HORSE together in Hell!

Happy Holidays, and be careful out there!

12/23/2005 08:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and along those lines, two Baltimore MD POs were killed the other day in a domestic, by another sworn law enforcement officer who was the ex-boyfriend of one of the sworn officers.

Please all be safe, and don't date no psychos.

12/23/2005 08:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Mr./Ms. dispatcher,what is all that laughing and cackling that I hear in the back ground while you're talking? It sounds like Showtime at the Apollo/OEC down there.

12/23/2005 08:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OEC should go back to the old way of dispatching...coppers taking the calls and communicating with the beat cars right NOW as they are on the line with the victims....NOT via computers from across the room!! The call takers we have are 90% fuck ups and can't even spell and the dispatchers can"t even pronounce street names correctly!! It's A R T H I N G T O N......not ARLINGTON thats a race track and it's in Arlington Heights,Ill. and ...it's a BURGLARY NOT a Burgary!! I am sorry we have some terrible call takers and terrible dispatchers!! We have a couple of females on Z/11 who every time you come on the air...and I MEAN EVERY TIME!!! ask you to repeat yourself!!! Hey let me tell you something ...you job is to sit in that fucking chair and listen to what comes over that headset and type or talk....how difficult can that be to JUST PAY ATTENTION?? It is OUR lives that depend on you to PAY ATTENTION!!! got it?? we are not sitting on our fat asses in a climate controlled environment talking to our partners or reading the papers etc....as I have seen MANY times on trips to OEC...All you have to do is LISTEN....how hard is that?? I have a 5 year old that knows how to listen!!! and if she could type...she'd be a hell of a dispatcher!! The system needs to be changed big time

12/23/2005 08:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zone 11 is one of the dumping grounds. Just. Like. The. Old. Days.

Which is a shame. The times I worked it, I always thought the people in 020 took care of business. 024 had its share of goofs and its share of workers, but 020 was, to me, the best kept secret on the North side, and at least a mildly interesting neighborhood.

Anyway, no way am I telling you your wrong. I believe it.

Signed,
the REAL 'ho who owns this corner

12/23/2005 08:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, and the job does involve a bit more than that. There is some strategerizing to do.

Hoey

12/23/2005 08:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey dispatchers are the police!! They do ride alongs.. LMFAO!!! and you can take your GPS and stick it up your ass....Dispatcher:"1631"
Beat car: "Squad hold me down on a street stop at ?? I have a couple on the hood, I'll get back to you"
Dispatcher: "10-4"
Dispatcher: "1632"
LMFAO!!!! So much for your GPS...You think GPS will help you get the jobs off of your computer screen faster??? HAAAAA!!
You don't care what we are doing or for our safety...just get those jobs off your screen so you don't get a CR# right?? RIGHT! Like when we're on street stops and after we tell you where we are and to hold us down...you keep calling us and distracting us from focusing on what we are doing to give out your fucking parker so ....you can get it off your screen...in the meanwhile you are endangering OUR lives by distracting us from what we are focused on to answer the radio and talk to you so you can clear your screen....

12/23/2005 09:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey dispatcher piece of crap, You start shit with us remember, you got to drive home. Some tickets might do you some good.

12/23/2005 09:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just remember this...

During Slavery there was
0% black unemployment?

So there is a positive for everything.

12/23/2005 09:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Listen up Dispatcher. YOU DO NOT DENY ANY COPPER ANYTHING. I will not let any dispatcher RED LINE any of my guys. I will TELL YOU, DISPATCHER, WHAT TO DO. YOU DON'T TELL COPPERS WHAT TO DO. YOU ARE A CIVILIAN, NOT SWORN. THE SAME GOES FOR YOUR SUPERVISORS. SEND ME ALL THE SECRET MESSAGES YOU WANT, I WILL DETERMINE IF SOEMONE IS DOWN TOO LONG, AND IF THEY ARE THEN I WILL TELL YOU HOW TO GO ABOUT HANDLING IT. 10-4?

12/23/2005 07:58:31 PM

Turn off the CAPS dummy and take two steps back from the computer.

12/23/2005 09:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Malcolm X's liitle brother said...

Oh boy, an advocate for the slave trade. Figures, your great-great-great-great something was probably an owner.

12/23/2005 09:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I tell you right now,I have ORDERED dispatchers to NOT red line cars and they have complied. They can redline a car but if they do it's because I am RDO or I am in the station trying to put the worms back in the can. I have told them before if they red line a car after I tell them not to, I will gaet a CR for failure to obey a direct order. They have to listen to the SGT'S, Lt's etc.... They have no choice. Yes there are some real shitty dispatchers but there just some good ones. Bring back REAL coppers to do the dispatching.

EXAMPLE:
Zone: " there's a man w/ a gun at 5200 S. Western"

Bt Car: "squad I don't see any one, give a slow down"

Zone: "units slow it down to the man w/ a gun"

Bt. Car: "squad you got anything more? Where's the caller?"

Zone: " the caller is at 6500 N. Harlem and annonymous, he called 10 min. ago"

Dispatcher go ahead and disobey me when I tell you something and I guaran-fucking-tee you do time!!!

10-fucking-4?

12/23/2005 09:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you kidding? Order? Time?

Your authority is limited to some areas relating to disposition of units and jobs. Don't get me wrong, I used to actually like hearing sergeants come up with input. That alone was rare. But order someone not to red line someone?

The dispatcher would be subject to discipline for FOLLOWING this "order" from you. Weird that you think otherwise.

Where did you get this idea anyway? I probably had a dozen supervisors call on me at some point, including people who called old friens who were my supervisors. Never had one disciplinary complaint sustained. Never was wrong either.

The shame is, for every one like you who thinks you have more authority than you do, there are ten more who refuse to use the authority they do have, by authorizing (or "ordering" if you want to put it that way) dispatchers to hold priority 2s (as appropriate) and 3s (for beat cars).

Can you have a talk with those guys? EVERYONE WILL THANK YOU.

12/23/2005 09:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, take it easy on the dispatchers. They are often our life line when a situation goes south in a hurry.

In my experience, if you are professional and courteous to the dispatchers, you'll receive the same treatment in return.

There is no question that some dispatchers are better than others (as is the case with officers). With that said, I'll take this opportunity to give a shout-out to some top notch dispatchers: Zone 5 - First watch.

The three regulars on Zone 5, first watch, are quick on the uptake and always look out for us. Working with them is like having a third man in a 10-4 unit. Thank you and keep-up the good work!!

12/23/2005 10:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was a suburban dispatcher before I came on the job, and it gave me a big fucking headache. If a suburb can give you a headache, imagine the job the city dispatchers have. So unless they're assholes, cut them some slack. Leonard from zone eight was probably the best....but then, he was a copper.

And Malcolm....you're an asshole. If you want to rewrite history, get a job at a publishing house. Dutch traders did bring slaves to America, but they were the captured booty of African tribes. Blacks sold blacks into slavery. And if you want to deny that, you should deny the holocaust, deny the American casualties in the Civil War, and deny your mama!

FUCK YOU!....and have a Merry Christmas too

12/23/2005 10:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hoey here again.

I worked with Leonard (you are talking about last name Leonard, right?) when he was retired down there. That dude is one of the nicest people I ever met, and I know some nice, nice people down there. Totally soft-spoken, in control on the radio etc.

Of the civilians who I remember working zone 8 from my era, a few of the really good ones went on your job from there. You guys had a coupla good civilians, including St...on 3rd watch (Son of the Captain) and Mi... on midnights, both on your job now. There were definitely a few others. From my years there, y'all also had one female PO Re... there who was top-notch.

On the other hand, there were probably 10 or 15 people in the entire OEMC who would take zone 8 without objection and then handle it well. 006 simply does not (did not?) have enough units. Shortest district in the city during Hillard's era. Hope that's changed. And pretty freakin busy overall, 'specially on mids in the summer.

Don't know who is on zone 5, first watch anymore. Tell you this though, I was sitting on zone 4 (5 feet in front of zone 5) when Michael Ceriale was shot. Overheard Ca... (older female PO) raise her voice and tempo and announce it on the radio. Just like you guys when you hear that, people up there definitely get a knot in their stomach and will do whatever they can to get information and resources together.

I remember punching up zone 5 for 6 seconds, and telling my (temporary) partner on zone 4 (Ja..., ex-po) that I was gonna help out any way I could with zone 5. Ran over to zone 013 (20 feet) and told the dispatcher there what was happening and to send whatever she had in 009... I'm sure the whole district went.

It relates to the thing before about having calltakers next to the dispatchers. In the old room, I would have had to run upstairs to go to zone 013 for this. Don't know if it made a difference, but it definitely saved 60 seconds or so (compared to the old room) to only have to run 20 feet to zone 13 from zone 5 and get zone 013 moving.

Having the zones in close proximity helps in a lot of ways compared to having them on two different floors in the old configuration of 1121. Chases crossing zones? No more running upstairs from zone 8 to zone 9, or zone 6 to zone 10, or zone 2 to zone 11 etc....

If anyone from there is reading this, I hope y'all are doing well! Merry Xmas to all y'all.

12/23/2005 10:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I will RED LINE your ass and nothing you can do about it. I will deny you lunch and nothing you can do about it. I will make sure I enter it into the CAD when I dispatch a call to you so as you FUCK off on your way to the domestic and get a cup of coffee before responding and then arrive at the scene too late to prevent a homicide you will GET FIRED for not responding fast enough.

I can, and will, make you dog ass bitches work. Funny thing, the hard workers out there will love me for it.

DONT FUCK OFF ON MY WATCH!!!

12/23/2005 08:15:05 PM

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As a supervisor, I have to say you were right about the red line issue, you control that by the G.O.
Remember this, though, it comes back to the district for a determination and if I don't agree with it then it's a dead issue. In a RAP situation, you can deny a car lunch but if I direct you to grant the lunch then all I have to do is tell you were to stack the pending jobs. There are a million ways to get around a meddling dispatcher if a supervisor wants to. Thanks for listening have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

12/24/2005 12:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HEY:
I will RED LINE your ass and nothing you can do about it. I will deny you lunch and nothing you can do about it. I will make sure I enter it into the CAD when I dispatch a call to you so as you FUCK off on your way to the domestic and get a cup of coffee before responding and then arrive at the scene too late to prevent a homicide you will GET FIRED for not responding fast enough.

I can, and will, make you dog ass bitches work. Funny thing, the hard workers out there will love me for it.

DONT FUCK OFF ON MY WATCH!!!

12/23/2005 08:15:05 PM

Go fuck yourself! I WISH I could sit my fat ass in a chair all god damn tour, shove food into the hole that what-the-fuck-ever language you think comes out of... Take a god damn ENGLISH class once and a while. Get off your ass and ride in a beat car once and a while! Do some police work, then, maby, if you have a clue in that job that a trained monkey can do, then tell us how to & what to do. This being said: There are some excelent dispachers out there Zone #9 3rd Watch, knows what he's doing, the mush-mouth on days aint got a fucking clue what a microphone is for. Zone #7 & 8 work thier respective asses off. I wish I knew who the dispacher was that saved my ass a few years ago in 011th Dist ('98 - '99) he saved my lil butt! to him thanks! But to you, you pompus asshole, bring your fat ass out on the street and try doing some work!

12/24/2005 01:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know the female p.o.'s for the 004th District that were getting a little too friendly at the fund raiser the other night??

12/24/2005 01:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the poster at 09:47 am:

In a Chug-a-Lug contest between Frank Radke and Neil Sullivan, Radke would win hands down. That�s because Neil has to avoid getting falling-down drunk because he may hit his head and knock his wig askew! Neil, YOU�RE NOT FOOLING ANYBODY WITH THAT DIME STORE WIG.

Also, this is one of the funniest things I have read on this blog, and it bears repeating;

A Christmas Poem
By Deputy Chief Frank Radke

Twas the night before Christmas,
And all through the house,
Not a creature was stirring,
Not even a mouse.

So I drank all the booze in my house,
And then I passed out!

THE END

12/24/2005 02:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the poster at 09:47 am:

In a Chug-a-Lug contest between Frank Radke and Neil Sullivan, Radke would win hands down. That�s because Neil has to avoid getting falling-down drunk because he may hit his head and knock his wig askew! Neil, YOU�RE NOT FOOLING ANYBODY WITH THAT DIME STORE WIG.

Also, this is one of the funniest things I have read on this blog, and it bears repeating;

A Christmas Poem
By Deputy Chief Frank Radke

Twas the night before Christmas,
And all through the house,
Not a creature was stirring,
Not even a mouse.

So I drank all the booze in my house,
And then I passed out!

THE END

12/24/2005 02:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are good dispatchers and horseshit ones. Same way there are good coppers and dogasses. End of story. Merry Christmas.

12/24/2005 03:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One of you talkers said this...
"Never was wrong either."
I got news for you, we could never do anything wrong either and still end up in a body bag.
Think about something, every day we put on our vest because someone might try to kill us just because we are out there.
What do you do to prepare for work?
I know that dispatchers push the right buttons, but tell you what when OEMC went down there was some time that we were all on our own and we did alright. You don't need a dispatcher to hear the radio and some copper calling for cars. If I hear them calling I go. I don't need for you to let me know that I should go.

12/24/2005 04:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burp!

12/24/2005 08:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That dispatcher sounds like someone who is pissed that they couldn't get on the job.

12/24/2005 09:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Take it easy !!!!! I guess we are tired of bashing eacg other so now we will bash our dispatchers??? I respect them that job must suck! There are awesome ones that add humor and insight and make a nice tour go by quick. Then there are some that seem to only speak jive, i mean I can't understand the shit they are saying...Its real deep ghetto accent. But white black mexican..etc whatever they do a great job together as a whole.
The call takers I think mess up alot of what the dispatcher gets to dispatch to us. Merry Christmas 9-11 and coppers!

12/24/2005 09:49:00 AM  
Blogger Rue St. Michel said...

Zone12 has a couple of females that have a hard time pronouncing certain words. If your primary job is to communicate, you should be articulate and have a clear and understandable voice. Some of the more striking examples of words that come over the air are: "bambalance", "argerin", "jewree".

Maybe that's being a little picky, right? I guess I wouldn't mind it so much as long as they were looking out for us on the street. They are not. They consistently put units down at the wrong address, clear units who are still down (like on domestics) and, generally, seem to be distracted most of the time.

There is one dispatcher on Zone12 who is a real bitch - full of vitriol and attitude for the coppers on the zone. She thinks that she can dictate what we're doing and has full blown meltdowns on the air if she tries to give you a job and you've got to take a personal or need to get gas. Her name is McGrath, Keli.

When everyone gets their radios after rollcall and you hear her voice coming over the zone, an audible groan can be heard through the halls and lobbies of the station. You know it's going to be a l-o-n-g night. Hey Keli - GFY!

12/24/2005 11:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Let us not forget the ones who are most responsible for the proliferation of the slave trade: the African kings along the Ivory Coast.


Don't forget to add them to the list that has to pay repreations!

12/24/2005 11:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to communicate, you should be articulate and have a clear and understandable voice. Some of the more striking examples of words that come over the air are: "bambalance", "argerin", "jewree".


fuck off! It's their culture

12/24/2005 11:31:00 AM  
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12/24/2005 12:27:00 PM  
Blogger SCC said...

Stop posting psuedo science as fact. If 350,000 out of 500,000 troops had become permanaently disabled, don't you think someone would have noticed? We can name 27 gulf war vets on this job today and every one of them is healthy. Do you even read the bullshit before you post it?

12/24/2005 01:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One dispatcher mummbles badly, and you can hardly understatnd her.

It's like, "Fullerton or Fulton, Squad?..(reply)Fuul-tone" Or " Is that kimball or campbell, Squad?..(reply)Kiampell" She repeates it again and finally after the third time you have to ask her to phoenetically spell the street name.

12/24/2005 04:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This site should be password protected. I'm sick of bangers and dispatchers on here. I mean..Is it SecondCityDispatcher.blogspot.com?

Just asking?

12/24/2005 04:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Password protected? Thats how they get ya!

12/24/2005 04:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While we are at it, I'm sick of the police on here who act like its a big gang.

Bar fights? Okay!
Drunk driving? Okay!
Why? Because they sometimes wear the right colors!

I'm also sick of the real police. They all have two years on and think they know everything.

I'm also sick of the clout bunnies. Hey, nothing happening here, there's no corruption!

Who else? Oh yeah, I'm sick of you too.

12/24/2005 07:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Merry Christmas

12/24/2005 07:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My favorite was a couple of years a go, on a zone not to be named, a certain female dispatcher had trouble with pronouncing the street names. After awhile a P.O. came up on the air and said, " Why don't you try hooked on phonics, it helped my kid"

12/25/2005 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's pretty good. I started out on zone 1 first watch with R.H. when I was new. And yes, I sucked when I started.

Two years later I'm on 3rd watch on busy zones, and they'd give me zone 1 for a break. FWIW, I always sorta liked 016. Not a whole lotta complaining over there, and not too many hotheads or idiots hiding from me.

But I digress. I give out a job on Nina and pronounce it "Nee-nah". Someone comes up when they see the job on their PDT and says, did you say "Neenah" squad? I replied, "yes, Nee-nah". He comes up, politely, and says, "can you spell that". So I say "sure, -N- -I- -N- -A-".

So the same guy or someone else says "uhm, that's pronounced "Nine-uh".

OK, I'm a south sider and honestly didn't know. Still, being trained in the ways of smart-assism, I answered, "Oh, ok, ya mean nine-uh like the nine-uh, the pint-uh and the santa mariah?"

And then there is "Carondolet" or whatever on the south side. Ugh.

12/25/2005 02:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

O.E.C. call takers being layed off early 2006... jobs being outsourced to call centers in India.

12/25/2005 02:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC said...
Stop posting psuedo science as fact. If 350,000 out of 500,000 troops had become permanaently disabled, don't you think someone would have noticed? We can name 27 gulf war vets on this job today and every one of them is healthy. Do you even read the bullshit before you post it?

12/24/2005 01:40:33 PM


Yes I do. and you do too that's why you are censoring me. Too bad for everyone else. Happy birthday to the lie-maker!

12/26/2005 11:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

who is the best copper you know, city wide.....

12/26/2005 09:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

supervisors included

12/26/2005 09:37:00 PM  
Anonymous clarify said...

9:36 pm

Please define "best" copper.

12/26/2005 10:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Me!

12/26/2005 11:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

all around copper,

12/27/2005 12:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BEST COPPER AWARD has got to go to P/O Thomas LATHAM, (housing/005/004/housing/004/021) This motherfuca is da real fuckin deal! he aint on no bullshit!

12/27/2005 01:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHY DOES DOROTHY TILLMAN HAVE A SQUAD CAR GUARDING HER 50FT TALL CHRISTMAS TREE AT 47TH & KING DR 24-7 ? COPPERS NEED TO CALL FOR RELEIF TO "GUARD THE TREE" IF THEY WANT LUNCH?? MORE WASTED MANPOWER!!

12/27/2005 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Because people were stealing the presents that she left under it, leaving the wrapping paper all over and generally making a mess of downtown Bronzeville.Before you know it, all the I-Pods and Plasma TV's were gone before Christmas. You think that she could keep one of those bloodshot eyes open and watch her own tree. But the alder-whatever calls and the D/C goes poo-poo on hisself...

The Guy From the Next Block...

12/27/2005 10:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the input Tom

12/27/2005 07:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i have many times been just around the corner when the call comes out and the compl. tells me he called 5 min ago. this is unacceptable. the small burbs have the same person take calls and dispatch.
hello 911 whats your emergency?
they are robbing my store
whats your location?
930 w belmont clarks resturant
are they armed?
they have guns
ok...hold on
1924 and units on city wide.....and stand by for further.
ok now describe these offenders to me
1924 and units on city wide offenders are 2 m/4 he she's in pink dresses armed w/ a small frame auto
etc etc......this is not rocket science! the old way ( call taker sitting next to disp.) was better.
if i was an unarmed cit. i would be really pissed off. the 911 people want to do a good job and the police are frustrated w/ old info...bosses...if you are reading this....you need to unfuck the sytem. no one can be proud of this!

12/27/2005 09:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey lay off those hard working highly qualified dispatchers. I know those South side street names like ave "O" and ave "M" are real hard to pronounce.

12/27/2005 10:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Take calls and dispatch at the same time? OK, since you have an honest face, I'll tell you why this is not feasible:

1. There is limited emergency radio bandwidth. Thus, 2 districts on all but one zone. 7 Citywides, 2 of which are "reserves" of sorts.

Which leaves you with the option of having multiple people doing things on the same frequency. Can you imagine the mayhem on zone 10 if you had 10 people popping in with THEIR OH-SO-IMPORTANT call without regard to what else was happening?

Nuff said bout that.

The issue of the calltakers next to the dispatchers was also already addressed. All kinds of issues. Calltakers on zone 1 on 1st watch would be doing nothing except rubbing R.H.'s back, while calltakers on zone 6 and zone 10 (and the overflow positions) were getting their asses kicked. Now, everybody has the opportunity to get their ass kicked equally. And what do you think happened if more than 2 calls came into a zone at once? Or even more than just 1 call if one of the side positions needed to help the dispatcher with something like running a plate? Why, the extra calls went to the overflow positions (see above).

And then there are the benefits of having the zone dispatchers in close proximity. Chases crossing zone boundaries? Throw a pencil at the person sitting at the next console. 10-1 or officer shot? Raise your voice and announce it to your neighboring dispatchers so they can announce it to their neighboring zones IMMEDIATELY.

I'm just saying. This ain't no suburb, and there ain't no way 130 people are all eligible to just start popping into zone 10 with their particular call during the usual Friday night mayhem. You'd be getting officers hurt and killed left and right, and nobody would be coordinating nuthin. Far as I know, the zone 10 dispatchers are doing just fine as it is, thank you very much.

To address the underlying issue you raise, they need to have a better prioritization system, and they need to tell a LOT more callers that the police don't handle their types of complaints. But with the volume on, e.g., zone 6, there is no way that 98.5% of the calls are going out within 45 seconds or 1 minute. 10-1s, yes, 10 or 12 seconds more likely (until the broadcast is finished). Persons shot or stabbed or shots fired, I'd bet yes on 45 seconds 90% of the time. It better be yes unless there is extenuating circumstances. But anything else? There just ain't no way. You'd have to tell the POs that they couldn't say anything except for 10-4 on the air, and even then I don't think zone 6 gets that much better.

12/28/2005 11:53:00 PM  

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