Saturday, December 24, 2005

Sergeant's Union Update

Sergeants Arbitration Award announced today! Congratulations on getting a contract about 2.5 years after expiration of the old one. Prepare to enter new negotiations next year. Don't spend that retro check all in one place. Highlights include .75 hours per day, wage compression, and PO equivalent raises. Lowlights include not re-establishing the D2A gap.

In the meantime, the Sergeant's union recently held an election and the winners are as follows:
  • President: Michael Dejanovich
  • Vice President: vacant - no candidate
  • Treasurer: John Pallohusky
  • Financial Secretary: Dennis Hinkson
  • Recording Secretary: vacant - no candidate
  • Area 1: vacant - no candidate
  • Area 2: Larry Lynch
  • Area 3: Ed Brennan
  • Area 4: Mike Lazzaro
  • Area 5: George Whiteside
  • At Large: Bob Kirchner, Nancy Higgins, Rich Wiser, Debra DeYoung
People were questioning why there were so few choices in the recent FOP election and it was pointed out that there were only 200 or so members out of about 17,000 members (active & retired) that had attended the minimum number of meetings and were eligible to run. Is it possible that the Sergeant's Union had fewer candidates eligible for office based on meeting attendance? Are the Sergeant's unhappy with their union? Why no interest in the spots?

63 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lots of people bitch about the pay that the FOP officers get, but if you look in the rest of the labor world, union leaders get more $$ than the people they represent. Personally, I think it's OK. Why take on all the headaches and responsibilities if you're not going to get something more for it?

The sergeant's association doesn't pay extra $$ for the leaders like FOP does. So why would a sergeant take on all that responsibility and headache for the same money he can get pushing a beat car? You get what you pay for.

12/24/2005 12:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a Sergeant for the last 6 years or so, I can say that the PBPA has done little to nothing for me. I'm not stamping my feet or anything, but they are definitely NOT a proactive union by any means! We'll see if the new president does anything different. Probably not.

This contract doesn't exactly suck, but it's nothing to jump for for joy over either.

12/24/2005 12:40:00 AM  
Blogger Rue St. Michel said...

Well at least it's something to put under the tree. Merry Christmas to All.

12/24/2005 01:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And everyone in their election ran unopposed (except for a two man contest for President).

Why do they even have a union, anyway? 30% are phone call Sergeants, who have no incentive to fight the city on anything.

12/24/2005 01:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know the female p.o.'s for the 004th District that were getting a little too friendly at the fund raiser the other night??

12/24/2005 01:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congrats to the sergeants on their new contract. I will certainly drink to that, and then I will drink to the fact that it is almost Christmas, and then I will drink to the fact that it is almost 2006, and then I will drink to....oh, forget it, I will just drink....
Seasons Greetings
Deputy Chief Frank Radke

12/24/2005 02:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC said, "People were questioning why there were so few choices in the recent FOP election and it was pointed out that there were only 200 or so members out of about 17,000 members (active & retired) that had attended the minimum number of meetings and were eligible to run."

Just to set the record straight, there were actually about 100 FOP members who were able to run in this last FOP election. So, that "I don't care attitude" amongst the FOP members is even worse than you think.

Merry Christmas

12/24/2005 02:50:00 AM  
Blogger Senior Sergeant said...

What is up with our union?? They asked for the new sergeants to get more V and BFD's!!! Why give these NEW, whinny little cry baby sergeants with 6 years on the job the same vacation and BFD's as the rest of us??? At least the FOP contract has it as it should be BY SENIORITY!!!! Should be by years on the job and also by time in grade.......Hopefully our new president will get this straightened out and put SENIORITY in it's proper place like the FOP does!!!

12/24/2005 08:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what happened to Jim Kubik the trustee promoted to sgt who stayed on the Lodge 7 board until Donahue & Co failed to invite him back.
for all the talk of fop going after the sgt assosciation not alot done.
Will merit sgt voight and majerzcyk be allowed to remain on the board after "earnin" those stripes. Tell the membership it is not about the money and partying...

12/24/2005 08:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:35:18

That's the point we don't get what we pay for.

I guess the highest bidder is your view of "leadership" my view a "whore"

12/24/2005 08:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SMOKING SUCKS!

12/24/2005 08:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Michael Dejanovich:

AKA RADAR office b. during career, merit promoted by Lesniak and the
Vrodlyak people. Never worked the street, second class of merit appointees. Never ever been a working PO, treated as royalty. Spineless anti FOP, a sad day indeed when a merit appointee takes over an organization.

Would kiss Daleys ass at Madison and State. Pretty good precinct captain and worker for the Democratic agenda.

12/24/2005 09:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a joke .75 hours for what? So they can sell back two hundred hours easier. Walk out every year with five thousand dollars. Hey please show me a Sgt. in patrol or the dicks that work over 8.50 hours a shift.

How come when there is a 40 unit the Sergeant is a no show . Two extra days of every month as 840, 1540, and etc.etc.

12/24/2005 09:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didn't do too well on the test, huh?

12/24/2005 09:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who do you think signs all the reports after you are on your 3rd round at Dugans? I never get out of the station until at least 2330 or 2340. Where do you work I want to bid over there sounds like the Sgts have a good thing going.

12/24/2005 09:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is all over the city and 2340 isn't really that bad of a duck if you are working midnights.

12/24/2005 09:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who do you think signs all the reports after you are on your 3rd round at Dugans? I never get out of the station until at least 2330 or 2340. Where do you work I want to bid over there sounds like the Sgts have a good thing going.

12/24/2005 09:47:34 AM

015, 3rd watch

12/24/2005 10:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear senior Sgt. kiss my junior Sgt. ass! Nothing was taken from you. Typical copper, self-serving and jealous. By the way, Ha-Ha I have 25 working day furlough with only 2 years as a Sgt. and 9 on the job!!!!!!!

12/24/2005 11:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh and by the way 9:07 I just got 75 hours retro on the books from the .75 hour thing. Christmas is goona be good this year!

12/24/2005 11:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just recently retired!!!!!! I can only wish all of you who must endeavor to remain on this job, GOOD LUCK!!!!! My last 3 years I was totally unconcern about changes that were made on the department, because I truthfully had reach the point that The City/The Department could just
KMA!! I vividly remember my very first roll call whereas I was introduced to a salty old vet who came on the JOB in 1952, it was hard to believe that this guy was a cop when I was 1 year old, I stared at him in total amazement and disbelief
But back then, an older guy was someone you could go to to learn from, the older guy was someone that could help you down the corridors of departmental red tape and most of us wanted to at least get to the same point in life that he had accomplished...."two steps away from retirement" I remember back then their were older guys on the desk, in the commander's office, mail run, station security, ERPS and COS
and all kind of unknown offices within the department. Actually it was a sort of nice feeling at the time, believing that when one got older, slower and less productive and more of a liability the dept. had allowances to have you place in an out of the way job. The really ONE GOOD THING about this....the greater majority of these coppers where not "Prima Donna's Types"
they had enough time on the job, that they could not be bullied into unnecessarily screwing over fellow officers and if they didn't know the answer to a problem(s), they always knew somebody that knew somebody that did and was usually happy to lend a helping hand to anyone who would ask.....sometimes you didn't have to ask, IF one of them should happen to see you screwing yourself or another guy up with a bad report or improper procedures..one of them would pull you out of earshot of everybody else, and go "Hey kid, you really might want to do it another way " This has become so unliken to the Department that now exsist, where the key word is to stick it to the next guy, Cops with 2 and 3 years on the job dictating to season officers
about political correctness and micro management
In this new and innovated department which pits one officer against another, which strive on pettiness and self glorification and importance
there will never ever again be any measureable cohesiveness between the line officers,
I witness more then my share of people who fostered contempt and out and out hatred for his/her co workers, just out os spite. It as if the City itself has implemented a divide and conquer procedure within the ranks for the sole purpose of maintaining discontent and control.
It will be up to you guys to overcome these obstacles and find ways to pull together... or perish seperately as fodder for some political agendas. When I came on the Job there was no FOP, we drove plymouth's with no airconditioners
and bench seats, which meant that the taller of the two people in the car always had to drive, we rotated up to the point of getting a weekend off, only to be dumped back to a day off group starting on that Monday/Tuesday
Hell, there weren't even female Officers on the street....so I and other have weathered from the Flinstone age to the Jetson's..our biggest assets "COMMON SENSE" a genuine concern for one another...and if some guy was lucky enough to land a cushy job somewhere and there weren't many of them most of us were happy that somebody got out of the rat race. Learn how to stop hating, this by far is the easiest job that you will ever find for the money and benefits....We all know that there will be moments and time that all hell will break out........but in the end when you add up all of the good time and all of the bad times......the good time will be most remembered and cherished, I do hope that each and everyone of you will be able to find some common ground to survive on this job...until that day that you are fortunate enough to finish off your EXITINTERVIEW and move on....
I would like to say "GOD bless each and everyone of you and your families and I wish each of you a sincere "MERRY CHRISTMAS everyday of the year

12/24/2005 11:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perfectly said...Merry Christmas brother

12/24/2005 12:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the last post,God bless you!hope you get your pension longer than you were on the job,as a 30+ on the job you hit the nail right on the head.I came on this job with a high school GED,compliments of the USMC.Half my class were Viet Nam vets,a vast majority of these collage kids have no goddam sense or street smarts and its a poorer Dept because of it.

Merry Christmas to all my Brothers/Sisters in blue and stay safe.

12/24/2005 12:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a "senior sergeant" myself I don't begrudge my "junior sergeant" breathran getting more vacation days and baby furlough days. Seniority still means something, as in my case, days in any district in the city.

It also means first pick of furlough. So "senior sergeant" relax will ya, you've got yours, don't bitch if the new sergeants get theirs.

Merry Christmas

12/24/2005 12:20:00 PM  
Blogger Senior Sergeant said...

Ya right, if you were a senior sgt, you'd be bichin' and moaning too because everyone with any time on this job crabs about seniority. So odds are you are a crybaby new guy with less than 10 years on the job and one or two as a sgt.......Why don't you let these new merit sgts make the same money as you do too, shouldn't we all make the same amount. Let's eliminate the step increases while we're screwing people with seniority over!!

12/24/2005 02:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a senior sergeant! I got 20 years on the job and I have been a sergeant long enough to get DAYS IN ANY DISTRICT!! I know, I checked each district myself.

Go fuck yourself. Oh yeah, and have a Merry Christmas too!

12/24/2005 02:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey POST 9:07 why don't you tell your SGT. that when you ask him to leave early and expect him to hold your slip?

Didn't think you would, COWARD....

12/24/2005 02:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bitter senior Sgt. how are you getting screwed if guys with less time got more than you did at that particular step. You should be happy for them. Nothing is being taken from you, you bitter old prick. Are you mad at the P.O.s for getting a raise too?

12/24/2005 03:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yippee! Hopefully we'll get our check soon! I got bills to pay.

Merry Christmas, be safe and quit sniping at each other, for one day!

12/24/2005 04:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey senior sergeant:

I have six years on the job, was made sergeant meritoriously, and I'm getting lieutenant's pay in a specialized unit. I'm waiting to be made lieutenant meritoriously.

Feel better now?

12/24/2005 04:58:00 PM  
Blogger Senior Sergeant said...

Sure, just cause you have 20 years on the job don't make you a senior sgt, you probably have 6 months as a sergeant!!! It's seniority in grade, not time on the job, so I guess you're stuck on the 3rd watch for awhile more!!!

12/24/2005 05:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is the last time I'll waste my time with you "SENIOR SERGEANT" because obviously you are a bitter, stupid jagoff.

I have been a sergeant long enough to be on days in any district. I'm not saying I'm more senior than you, but I'm in the top 17% citywide. That puts me in days in any district.

Now have a Merry Christmas, then go fuck yourself, you bitter old man.

12/24/2005 05:04:00 PM  
Anonymous wish I had a brain and a real job said...

. . . .When I came on the Job there was no FOP, we drove Plymouth’s with no air conditioners and bench seats, which meant that the taller of the two people in the car always had to drive, we rotated up to the point of getting a weekend off, only to be dumped back to a day off group starting on that Monday/Tuesday


. . . Things sure did suck (and still do) when you don’t have the education or intelligence to get ahead in the world. I certainly ain’t no rocket scientist otherwise I would not be pushing a beat car. At least the pay is a lot better than it was 30 years ago and we have more rights thanks to a bargaining unit. (as much as people say it sucks)

Still, I’d rather be making $200 grand a year and not live in this shit-hole of a city.

12/24/2005 05:07:00 PM  
Blogger Senior Sergeant said...

You still didn't say how long you've been a sergeant you whinny little cry baby.......

12/24/2005 06:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would appear our other senior sergeant has been sergeant at least ten years, if he's in the top 17% like he says he is. Would that give him days in any district?

12/24/2005 07:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I WONDER IF THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE FOP KNOWS THE 6 INSIDE GUYS AT FOP MAKE APPROX. $115,000 + DUTY AVAIL + UNIFORM ALLOW. = $120,000 A YEAR. HOW ABOUT THAT DONAHUE MAKES ALMOST $170,000 A YEAR + A CAR AND PLUS AN EXPENSE ACCOUNT. MERRY CHRISTMAS FOR THE MEMBERSHIP. I WONDER IF FALLON'S X-WIFE KNOWS ABOUT HIS SALARY. MAYBE SOMEONE SHOULD TELL HER ABOUT HIS INCOME BEING ADJUSTED. IT GOES BACK TO 1998. I DOUBT HE TOLD HER. SOMEONE SHOULD FILE A GRIEVANCE. I WONDER IF SHE KNOWS. MERRY CHRISTMAS.

12/24/2005 07:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now you want to rat out guys to their Ex-wives? What is the matter with you? Mind your own business moron!!!!!

12/24/2005 07:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. Anonymous 7:41

Go fuck yourself.

Respectfully,

Me

12/24/2005 08:46:00 PM  
Blogger silly said...

Don't you just hate those 5-6 year, 20 year veterans. Six years on the job, making lieutenants pay, waiting to make lt., I doubt it. It doesn't add up stupid.

12/24/2005 10:11:00 PM  
Blogger silly said...

Don't you just hate those 5 year, 20 year veterans. Yeah right, merit sgt. with less than six years, making lt.s pay in special unit, waiting to make merit lt.... Please......

12/24/2005 10:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm willing to bet the sergeant who posted that bullshit about lieutenant's pay is just pulling everyone's leg. But then again...are there any spots in the department that pay sergeants lieutenant's pay?

12/24/2005 11:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think crime lab PO's get D-3 (Sgts pay) and if I'm not mistaken, the Sgt who turned down the lieutenants promotion this past summer was making at least D-4 (Lt's pay). He was head of the Forensics maybe? ETs?

12/24/2005 11:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TO: 12/24/2005 07:41:24 PM

Shawn, are you drinking again?

12/25/2005 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will we ever see- 20-25 years & 80% pay to retire?

12/25/2005 01:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sgts. got 25 working day furlo. and 6 BFDs for every Sgt. with over 5 years plus the 45 mins. a day. I am a seven year wonder. The extra days off for me would mean about 4-5 more days off a year. Get me more time off!

12/25/2005 04:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most of those alleged "command" spots held by Sgt's don't get "Commander's" pay. They are "commanding" officers and generally only get their paygrade, i.e., Sgt's pay and maybe a car, not even Lt's pay because its not an Lt's spot. Some Sgt's in Legal affairs, LAO's III, get Lt's pay. Also the Sgt. in Forensics gets LT's pay as CO of the Unit.

12/25/2005 05:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Merry Christmas to Tim Fallon. I was the guy who posted earlier. Everyone in 23 on the first watch loved Tim. Not. We remember when we were on the watch Fallon F@$%ed with us as watch sec.. Turn about is fair play. He desrves it. Merry Christmas to his x-wife.

12/25/2005 06:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...Everyone in 23 on the first watch loved Tim. Not...

Deb?

12/25/2005 07:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Falllon sucked in 23. Mr. Griv. Chairman was Mr. Management in 23. He sucked up to all the bosses. Talked about patrolmen like they were dogs. This the guy who represents the rank and file. God save the Queen.

12/25/2005 09:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

who cares what a less senior guy makes as long as it isn't more than you. if the city agrees to pay everyone 25 year rate their first day on the job so be it - it's their money - it would be pretty insecure to worry about what everyone else makes. my worth has nothing to do with how much more i make then a guy with less time.

12/25/2005 10:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is the Sgt.'s salary schedule posted? It doesn't appear in the contract on the PBPA website. Can someone post a link to it please?

12/25/2005 12:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone will probably make a schedule up soon. Until then, take your base pay and mutiply it by 2%, 2%, 2%, 2%, 2% and 3½%. It's a good raise and will be a sizeable backpay check....well, then there's Federal Income Tax, State Income Tax, Medicare (for those who pay it) Pension, tax on tax. You'll probably get enough to buy a new TV.

12/25/2005 01:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fallon sucked is right. We remember when he left 023 during the middle of the tour. He would come back very satisfied.

12/25/2005 03:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 11:12:52PM (12/24), the Sgt in B & A, who's in charge of the bomb techs makes Lt. pay. But, it's a thankless job

12/25/2005 03:26:00 PM  
Blogger I love this Job! said...

This is the Link from Finance. Be advised that the pay raises are not updated.

http://167.165.254.163/RATESWORN.htm

12/25/2005 08:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Uner 10 years is about $80,400

12/26/2005 02:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

20 YEARS ABOUT 87,000

12/26/2005 09:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your total raise is 10% if your not at max pay already. Only The guys at step 11, 30yrs, get the last 3-1/2 % because their steps are not being compressed.

12/27/2005 06:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its 2% every time. In reality that ends up being more than 10% since you are compounding on the last raise very time you get another 2%. Also, the award lists the raise 01Jan06 as 3.5% this is the award per arbirtator.

12/28/2005 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

***

12/28/2005 02:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The guys at step 11 get an ADDITIONAL 3.5% followed by an ADDITIONAL 2% the next January.

12/28/2005 02:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has anyone received their sergeant handbook? I haven't received mine yet, and it's two days from the new year.

Good thing I never used the damn thing, always used the FOP book. And to anyone who may whine over a sergeant using an FOP book, I'm still an FOP member. Also, if you were thinking of whining, go fuck yourself!

Happy New Year

12/29/2005 07:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With Fallon I say to his Irish Ass - God save the Queen.

12/30/2005 02:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The boys at FOP are gods compared to the joke sergeant's union (PBPA156). At least they like to party.

12/30/2005 12:14:00 PM  

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