And Speaking of Mistakes ...
... we saw this thread taking off in the comments section and decided to link it here (sun times; tribune; Channel 5)
Doesn't the city hire actuaries? There is no way in hell this guy would have ever earned $9,000,000 dollars in 10 lifetimes. Sorry, fact of life. We're not being racist, but this guy was on a fast track to nowhere. Does he deserve something for his 11 years in the joint? Maybe. We've been reading comments throughout the day and hearing stories yesterday that present all sorts of questions as to what this guy did, when did he do it and whether of not he might actually be responsible for some truly heinous crimes.
But $9,000,000? The city is playing jackpot with these types of cases and not even taking them to trial. Someone else posed this question and we will summarize it here - why isn't the County on the hook for a bit of this coinage? We didn't convict him. We didn't sentence him. Once our people collected the evidence, it was turned over to the state that made the case. Maybe there ought to be some fingerpointing over that direction? Because according to other stories we're hearing about the St. Agatha's priest molestation case, the state said they had a weak case and wouldn't proceed with it, enabling the molester to continue his crimes with relative ease and giving the Cardinal an out for the Church's part in dropping the ball.
Doesn't the city hire actuaries? There is no way in hell this guy would have ever earned $9,000,000 dollars in 10 lifetimes. Sorry, fact of life. We're not being racist, but this guy was on a fast track to nowhere. Does he deserve something for his 11 years in the joint? Maybe. We've been reading comments throughout the day and hearing stories yesterday that present all sorts of questions as to what this guy did, when did he do it and whether of not he might actually be responsible for some truly heinous crimes.
But $9,000,000? The city is playing jackpot with these types of cases and not even taking them to trial. Someone else posed this question and we will summarize it here - why isn't the County on the hook for a bit of this coinage? We didn't convict him. We didn't sentence him. Once our people collected the evidence, it was turned over to the state that made the case. Maybe there ought to be some fingerpointing over that direction? Because according to other stories we're hearing about the St. Agatha's priest molestation case, the state said they had a weak case and wouldn't proceed with it, enabling the molester to continue his crimes with relative ease and giving the Cardinal an out for the Church's part in dropping the ball.
posted by SCC at 1:52 AM
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This is the reason that our government pays out on bullshit....please note that it's Australia that they are marking on the map for these American Voters....it's not Korea or Iran....it's Australia!!!
http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=940
http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=940
Why don’t those Lawyers over at the corporation council do what they are paid to do and litigate a case! Something tells me they don’t know how. 9Million here 9Million there, no problem. Yet, no money for schools or police overtime. What a Joke. And that Georges broad calls herself a lawyer?
I am no scientist.. However, I would like to ask the following question;
How accurate is DNA?? Could there be a margin of error were these OBVIOUS pieces of shit’s DNA do not match and they are ordered released??
The City of Chicago would never point a finger at the cook county state's attorney's office because don't forget our fine mayor at one time held the office of cook county states attorney (from 1980 to 1989). Gee.. isn't it funny that the time period he served falls right into place with the new investigations they are going to do on cases before 1995. Now that I think of it, haven't most jackpot settlements for wrongful convictions all been on the mayors watch as cook county states attorney? HOW ABOUT A NEWS STORY ON THAT!!!
Nine million sucks. But look at it this way, he is about to re-invest in the economy!
That money be gone and Cadillac, Remy, Cristal, Black n Milds, Enyce and Nike's stocks are gonna skyrocket!!
What civilians don't seem to understand when they see one of these cases...THERE IS EVIDENCE...and it points towards the guy that gets locked up. He can't come up with an alibi, his problem, not ours.
I laughed at Johnny Cochran when he was posing the OJ Conspiriacy. Hell, we can't get 4 P.O.'s to agree on a lunch location you think we are going to get 4 officers to agree to throw away their careers just for a closed case? I DON'T THINK SO.
We gather the evidence which usually includes witness statements and witness identifications and since confession is good for the soul, we get those from the bad guy too. We turn all this over to the ASA who prosecutes the case in front of the Judge. Yet, we are the only goofs named in the lawsuit.
Unfortunately, since the city has been handing out checks to any yahoo who claims to be wronged without any litigation for so long I don't think they could fight any lawsuit with any credibility. The damage has been done and it is irreversable. The city pulls numbers out of the air and cuts the checks with no regard for other stuff.
I wrote on the other thread that politicians should have some type of economics background and any shortfall should come out of their pockets first. When the shortfall happens on their watch they should be forced to give up their car allowance, office allowance, war chests, etc. all their perks. It would make them more fiscally responsible when the cash comes from their coffers. Maybe they would quit spending cash like Monopoly money.
It is not evidence when you make shit up to convict someone. Who are the two active detectives that were involved in that case. An earlier thread said they were from Area Two.
WTF said...
Why don’t those Lawyers over at the corporation council do what they are paid to do and litigate a case! Something tells me they don’t know how. 9Million here 9Million there, no problem. Yet, no money for schools or police overtime. What a Joke. And that Georges broad calls herself a lawyer?
1/29/2006 02:24:51 AM
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HA! I don't know any CorpCoun's. So maybe I should not comment, but f it. Let's consider who out of law school goes to the CC SA's office. Now who the hell in law school would want to be a Chicago lawyer? I woudl have to answer some one that does not want to step foot into a court room. (I'm not talking about the kids at the branch that handle the Drinker's and Pissers o so well.) On top of that, you must have some hell of a lot of clout to get there.
I know no more of the case than what I've read in the paper. Is it possible he helped the real rapist? Or is he totally vindicated?
If I had spent eleven years in prison as accused old lady rapist, dealing with the shit that you can't run away from, nine million would not be enough for me.
If he had reasonable intelligence, and got a reasonable blue collar job, he would have made what.......half a million dollars in the time he was locked up? Is that all he's entitled to is the half million?
I'm one to circle the wagons for my brothers and sisters in blue, but this is not one of those cases. I wouldn't want to spend one day in prison, let alone eleven years. Nine million is a lot of money, but I can't think of any copper who in his shoes wouldn't demand at least as much.
To Partick Fitzgerald,
I have been thinking about these payouts for some time. It has come to me that an investigation by an outside party has to be done to look into any wrong-doings.
I wonder if there is any ties to the lawyers that handle these types of cases and the administration of the City of Chicago? Considering how tight the City is with money when it comes to paying employees, pensions, and properly using federal Homeland Security money, I find appaling that this guy (and many others in the past) was just handed a check for $9M without a peep of a fight.
I believe that the lawyers that get a third plus of these payouts should be investigated to see if there is some sort of kick back scheme to the admin of this City.
Thank you,
The Tax Payers of the City of Chicago
If he had reasonable intelligence, and got a reasonable blue collar job, he would have made what.......half a million dollars in the time he was locked up? Is that all he's entitled to is the half million?
The paper said that he was mildly retarted (learning disorder). He would never had a half way decent job.
I know he's mildly retarded ya goof! I was making an example! Keyword: if.
You guys seem to have forgotten a little matter called "prosecutorial immunity". It's statutory and it protects the SAO's for any prosecution regardless of merit or later discovered facts. Also the fact that the DNA may or may not have had anything to do with the actual assault is immaterial. The fact that DNA which belonged to neither the victim or the accused was found at the scene is the basis for "reasonable doubt." Further, the fact that the CPD lab had the information that the DNA sample did not match the accused and failed to turn this over to the defense is the stuff that coverups are made of. Without this evidence, this man was never able to mount a proper defense and was therefore denied a fair trial. The State always goes with its strongest case rather than multiple prosecutions. What would be the point in conducting 4 trials on a guy that you've already sent to prison? If you lose you're strongest, chances are that you are not going to prevail on your weakest, so what's the point of spending money on a trial. Also the 9M while seemingly excessive, is also in lieu of punative damages. After a trial on damages at which he received only say 500K for actual damages, he could have been awarded 30M in punatives. That was one of the considerations which the Law Dept had to make in agreeing to this settlement. This guys lawyers had a very big stick and they used it, just like your lawyers would if you were accused.
For comparison, look at the Merday settlemnt of 1.5M, he's a piece of shit and never spent a day in jail.
My question is this: If you're going to a new conference, where you're lawyers announce that they just won you $9 million, why in the hell are you wearing your grandmother's stocking on your head?!
I guess I was just brough up better than that. It's the same thing that bugs the shit out of me when I fly. People dress like slobs. Hell, I've been bumped up to first class 3 times, and I firmly believe it's because of the way I was dressed.
Sure he deserves something, but there's no way he deserves $9 million. If he had managed to stay out of trouble, at best he would be working some minimum wage job.
In all likelyhood, he probably wouldn't have made it past the age of 21. Or, he would have ended up in jail for something else.
Getting sent to jail probably saved his life, not to mention the payday he's about to get.
Another question: Why was he singled out as the rapist? Was he in the wrong place at the wrong time or did he have a reputation for attacking women? There are 100's of black men on the south side, so why this guy?
OK, this F/1 is done babbling now.
Tomorrow is Hill Street Blues day!
If it was you HOW much money would it be worth to YOU?
I really think that if an actuary can prove that the person would have earned at least half of the amount then the person or estate is entitled to double for pain and suffering.
Is this goof entitled to 9 million....No Was Latonya Haggarty's rap star wannabe brother and family entitled to 18 million? No... The list can go on and on of payoffs by the City.
Most of the cases, if they were litigated by competent attorney could have been knocked down. I mean the City would probably still have to pay but not as much or in some cases not at all. And if they City were to win a case, the person who brought the suit pays for the court costs including attorney fees. What a concept, use the law to your advantage. Obviously, the City hasn't learned that concept yet.
The DNA was at the lab but never tested. It was only detremined that it was human DNA. Further testing was not done because the case was closed after Rollins' signed confession. Any further requests for DNA analysis and matching it to Rollins would have been done at the request of the State's Attorney who was preparing the case for trial. At trial Rollins' defense attorney stipulated to the semen being Rollins' semen. Now tell me, where did the police drop the ball. He was picked out of a line up, he signed a confession.....but it always falls on the police. And another thing, just because another person's dna is found on a towel in a closet does not mean Rollins is innocent of raping the woman.
RE: 10:46
Excellent post!
I'll state once again. Back the dicks. I know them and they could care less about where pookie stores his chocolate love machine.
It was what it was, and the State agreed. The dicks do not have the final say in anything.
Many times I have been present in cases where the State, by trying to make a case better or more soild, have lost statements and admissions due to their sloppy intervention and treatment of witnesses.
I am not saying it is the fault of the ASA. I'm saying probable cause did exist and the dicks did their job.
Wait for the facts to come out
Next we have to see how much his attorneys are going to get. Usually these cases are not taken on retainer. The City usually gets a bill later for the fees.
Another couple of million dollars maybe?
Hey !
Wanna hot dog ?
The college girl that got killed by the Boston Police during the world series celebration only got 5 million. Chicago pays more than anyone. Rodney King in the end didn t even get that much......Prosecutors become defense lawyers who become judges and preside over their own. Total fix...
....and just think, this isn't the last of such cases. The complete and absolute arrogance and ignorance of members serving the police department and justice system will create and maintain a never ending pool of money, keep on locking up the wrong guys, keep on fabricating evidence, keep on testalying
The City only investigated this case. The City did not prosecute the case, convict the case or Sentence the offender. WHY WOULD THE CITY PAY???
Most of the time DNA is inclusive evidence, not exclusive evidence, Because your DNA is not found, does not mean you weren't there.
Because the city id run by a bunch of punk ass bee-otches!
check this out.
http://howardhellhole.blogspot.com/
When is it going to be time for the county state's attorney's office to be accountable for the cases they C/I and then the offender goes out and kills someone else?????? Its becoming far more common
FOR ONCE I AGREE WITH YOU LEFTISTHEBEST I MEAN O'GRADY. NOW GO BACK TO YOUR GAY CHAT ROOM.
From NYPD Rant. Couldn't have said it better myself:
Thirteen Things About Ranters
1. Most ranters feel they, and all of their relatives, are above the law. How dare another LEO challenge your family member’s driving! Grow up and be an example to your community. When you are in the wrong, pay up–and hush up bemoaning how your second cousin on your wife’s side was nailed for blowing a light.
2. Ranters seem to delight in name calling. Wake up boys and girls, calling someone a “retard” or a “fag” (or a “midget”) ended for most people before we graduated from high school.
3. Ranters feel NYPD owes them more than they are receiving. If you don’t like it, you can always change careers. (Have you ever heard of putting in a day’s work for a day’s pay?)
4. It is doubtful that ranters turn in reports composed as poorly as much of the mess on here. It is also highly unlikely they address people face to face with the rude candor that is displayed here.
5. Why do so many ranters seem to despise anyone in authority over them? The world is made of authority systems. Keep griping and complaining, and listening to those who do, and you will never go far up the ladder of success.
6. Why do ranters feel they are so special, deserving a break, or a special deal, at every turn?
7. Why do so many ranters have “I” trouble? Are you on the job to serve people–or yourself. If the latter, you are in the wrong field.
8. Why do ranters feel they need to impress the world of their supposed sexual prowess? The real king and queen of the bedroom are not strutting their stuff on here. The guy who is getting it is not talking about it.
9. Where is the gratitude for your job? NYPD, in most cases, has taken untrained, and often unskilled, men and women and have invested in them, to turn them into trained professionals.
10. Regardless of the shots and slams by ranters, NYPD will never again be comprised of people who look exactly like you. We living in the melting pot of the world, in the shadow of the Statue of Liberty. There are qualified men and women of other races waiting to be trained to take your place on NYPD. If you are so unhappy with things status quo, perhaps you need to be leaving the job. The public would be better not having to deal with another maladjusted MOS.
11. The job not unfair to you and the job is not tough all the time. Yes, we each have our stress moments, but let’s face it, there is plenty of slack time as well.
12. Statically, the job is no more dangerous than many other careers. Yes, people die and are killed in the line of duty, and that is always a tragedy, but so are people in every trade or profession. (Remember, life has a 100% mortality rate.)
13. Let’s remember that you and I have the greatest jobs in the world, and let’s do those jobs to the best of our abilities.
I can only image the replies to these thirteen things. The kids will kick in about “drinking the Kool Aid” and how long on the job. What matters is are you gong to go in tomorrow as a disgusted ranter or as a professional police officer. It’s one or the other. Good day.
where's are w2 statements??????
Hey guess what? CPD has the worst record for false convictions in the Unites States. Don't believe it? Look it up. Why? Because we've got a lot of goofy detectives past and present whose idea of an interview is someone elses idea of coercion. We've got among the worst clearance rates in the Nation (past and present). Don't believe it? Look it up? Know why? Cause we promote on who the fuck you know. That test they give is so damned compromised it isn't even funny. Guess what? That dip shit mayor, helped put a lot of those innocent people behind bars and he's the hero of the Democratic party so Jesse and his boys keep their mouth shut about him. Burge gets all the heat.
I love listening to all those genius detectives complain that they can't get felony charges approved, but when the shoe is on the other foot and someone innocent goes down they want to point the finger at the ASA's for approving charges. It doesn't work that way BOZO's.
Who's gonna pay for this bullshit. The taxpayer. The taxpayer deserves to pay for it. He needs to understand that when you live in a corrupt city like Chicago your gonna get fucked. Don't like it. Move out. Or get involved and start voting the bums out of office (I don't see that happening soon). Either way the Feds keep sending poor blacks out of the city (their numbers keep going down) and rich white people keep moveing in. These rich white people can afford any tax's that these shithead dems through at them. It's the middle class that get fucked (white and black). I gotta hand it to Joyce and Degnan though. They play white and black people against each other brillantly and keep mayor dipshit and his silly ass operation in buisness. Streets and San, water, CFD, CPD, Park Dist, CPS. What a waste. All of it. Glad I moved out when I did.
Wrongful convictions do deserve some kind of payout. The payout gets bigger as the negligence or recklessness on the part of the cops, crime lab or prosecutors involved becomes more egregious.
There is a general immunity for the cops if there was probable cause to make the arrest. Of course probable cause can’t have been manufactured.
For the city to pay such a whopping amount here something must have come about for that to happen.
Remember that if these cases go to Chicago juries, they love to make new billionaires out of the folks from the hood.
If the case was tried in let’s say Barrington Hills a jury there might award a single dollar for each count on the complaint.
1/29/2006 04:54:20 PM
No juice? So sad:(
9 million not that bad how many trucks do you think that would ocver?
Hey I'm gonna make a prediction. Ready. Here it goes. Rich white yuppies keep moving into the city. Tax's keep going up. Some poor black people move out of the city but the overwhelming majority continue to stay. CPS continues to suck, but they keep getting more money every year. City services continue to suck, but they keep asking and getting more money every year. Contracts continue to give city workers about %2.75 pay increases but keep chipping away at your benenfits every year. There's gonna be more micro-management for everyone on the CPD. It won't increase production. It won't make you a more effective police officer/detective. All it's gonna do is annoy you and make you nuts. The majority of white shirts will be completely useless (lacking initiative, leadership, intelligence, innovation, you name it) from your Sgt to the Supt(yes we know there are good bosses too). And now for the big one. Here it is. Some time in the near future they are gonna start screwing with the least connected white shirts who are working watches. I don't know how there gonna do it. Maybe they'll start evaluations on them. Maybe they'll start making them work 8 hours a day. Maybe they'll start makeing everyone start working 8 hours a day(time clocks). There are gonna be changes. I'd love to hear what other peoples ideas are on what's coming down next. Because sure as shit they're gonna do something. I'm not worred about GPS. I don't have a problem with that. It's the stupid shit that I haven't thought of that scares me.
What's going on with the residency rule? We need to sign petitions. Call our state senators & congressmen. File a bill to resind the law. Or better yet...simply have them ammend the population rule from 1 million to say 4 million. It might be easier to do that.
At the rate this city is going giving everyone who sues millions of dollars in settlements, we will some day see lay-offs of city employees, property taxes soars off the charts, leaving us feel exploited, again.
Just think the very next law suit is in the hallway, just waiting to be file, all we need is the next stupid guy/gal to step right up and take a number...............
I can see it now... Property values collapsing. Chicago becoming the new Detroit. If all the city workers are allowed to leave the city can you imagine trying to sell your house in garfield rigde or clearing. I dont know the northside but I paid 115 in 1990, and now house on my block are in the low 300's.
Looked at property about 6 months ago, and a comparable house's taxes were about 1500 more. so i figured with the additional cost of gas and time commuting it wasnt really worth it all that much.
Got great neighbors, and 9 PO's live real close. So I think i will stay even if they lifted the resedency. Besides the out-laws and parents are getting older....
I think compensation could go like this, if there are truly extenuating circumstances pointing to police misconduct:
1,000 per day for 11 years. $365,000 per year.
Even at this, I come up with just more than 4 million.
Lifetime earnings? Not entirely relevant, as he didn't lose a lifetime of earning.
But how much would someone have to pay you per day to spend in Cook County and Joliet?
If they got nothing on this guy and he's got everything on the po-lice, than I shudder to believe what I've stated above, but you could't pay me $1000 per day to give up 11 years of youth for this.
I'd love to know the whole story of what they have on the Crime lab and the dicks.
What are you talking about? Detroit did not have yuppies buying up million dollar condos and housing projects being demolished. This is the perfect time to change the statute because we are going the exact opposite that Detroit went. Property values will not drop. Plus not every city employee will move.
Speaking of idiot Assistant States Attorneys. . .
Several days ago, two 025th district tact guys on-view a homicide at Division and Kostner. They actually see the offender shoot another guy in the head at point-blank range. They then chase him into a nearby tavern, and ultimately place him into custody.
As of right now, the ASA will not approve charges because the guy denies that he was the shooter, and all his buddies from the bar are backing up his story. One more thing, he took a polygraph and failed it something awful.
So unless this guy confesses, it looks like hes gonna walk. Apparently the testimony of two police officers that actually witnessed the murder is not good enough for the ASA.
Unbelievable!!
i use detroit as an example I know it was a poor one.
If you dont think that a real estate bubble can burst your a little shortsighted here.
I have a little experience here. have bought and sold 9 properites in the last 5 years. Some I did a lot of work on and some I just cleaned and painted and did put back on the market.
Go to the county builing and buy the Law Bulletin it lists the foreclosures. They are at an all time high in the county.
I dont know how young coppers can afford to come on the job, and afford a house a wife etc. I came on at the right time I guess.
Ive got three renting from me right now.
I agree with you your 100% correct not all city workers will move out, but if and when it starts I will be ready to buy 1 or 2.
Do you think it will every happen? The lifting of the residency rule that is. I personally say no.
Allright, you made a good point. We both have some good points.
Not as good as the one on top of your head. Do you have "foreplay ring toss" like they did?
No, but yours does.
Sorry, little boy. I don't understand that juvenile humor. Besides, does your mommy know your up this late?
go fuck yourself!!
Crimefile said...
Wrongful convictions do deserve some kind of payout. The payout gets bigger as the negligence or recklessness on the part of the cops, crime lab or prosecutors involved becomes more egregious.
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Ya and you are just so hapy to collect your fees, you scab!
Anonymous said...
What are you talking about? Detroit did not have yuppies buying up million dollar condos and housing projects being demolished. This is the perfect time to change the statute because we are going the exact opposite that Detroit went. Property values will not drop. Plus not every city employee will move.
1/29/2006 10:15:55 PM
Amen
+!
So unless this guy confesses, it looks like hes gonna walk. Apparently the testimony of two police officers that actually witnessed the murder is not good enough for the ASA.
Unbelievable!!
1/29/2006 10:26:52 PM
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It sounds like you are surprised? Don't be.
Why didn'the W/C req an over-ride?
The mayor and the taxpayers should push for tort reform regarding false arrest rewards.
The fact the the mayor does not, makes me wonder if he's getting a cut.
To 10:16 am
There are no overrides on homicides.
No way man, he just heard gunfire and ran for cover in the bar.
You know there's gotta be more to the story if they won't charge the offender when 2 PO's on-viewed it.
Here's the defense:
-Their word against his.
-Several alibi (bar patron) witnesses saying he was there the whole time.
-How do they know they arrested the right guy when they lost sight of him in a bar full of "M/1's wearing all black" (just an example)
-Maybe the evidence doesn't match how they say it happened.
Why don't you try and prosecute a bunch of crappy cases and then see how many you approve next time.
No, I'm not an ASA, I'm a detective.
Put yourself in someone else's shoes for once in your small-minded, poor me, routine life.
I'm tired of hearing all the ASA shit-talking already.
And another thing...a polygraph failure is only good as a tool to get the guy to confess...doesn't mean shit in court.
Put yourself in someone else's shoes for once in your small-minded, poor me, routine life.
I'm tired of hearing all the ASA shit-talking already.
I SAY...
Only shoe I will put on is the one I break off in your liberal yuppy good for nothing ass.
The S/A's office is useless. They only take the 100% guarenteed win cases.
And thats because of all the shit thats been done while our wonderfull mayor was the S/A.
Anybody that tries to do any type of Police work in this city is absolutely NUTS!
We have all the strength we need in Blue yet we screw each other over in heart beat to get that felony. I say fuck em. Let them scream for Police Service.
Ban guns but let a bunch of liberal hack S/A's be armed. This city makes me sick.
Stick together CPD. We would win hands down if we just would STICK TOGETHER.
The mayor and the taxpayers should push for tort reform regarding false arrest rewards.
The fact the the mayor does not, makes me wonder if he's getting a cut.
Mmmmm Hmmmm
Our wonderfull mayor has been getting a cut for years. Why do you think all the street tools have been taken away. Disorderly, spitting/swearing on the public way. all tools to get a low life gangbanger off the streets.
Their isnt a politician that isnt getting a wad of green from the gangbangers. The politicians dont care. they will be long gone before the shit hits their neighborhood.
This is the city of political payoffs. We as Chicago Police Officers are nothing but political pawns. Nobody cares about us, NOT EVEN OURSELVES. strength in blue.
Anonymous said: "CPD has the worst record for false convictions in the Unites States. Don't believe it? Look it up. Why? Because we've got a lot of goofy detectives past and present whose idea of an interview is someone elses idea of coercion. We've got among the worst clearance rates in the Nation (past and present). Don't believe it? Look it up? Know why? Cause we promote on who the fuck you know.
1/29/2006 04:54:20 PM "
Pardon me, but since all of us detectives are so incompetent, could you show us where you pulled those numbers from, other than from you anal cavity.
"other than from you anal cavity.
2/02/2006 02:26:03 AM "
Oops, I missed an "r" for your. That's why I need you to give me that information.
No problemo! Maria Soto-Maher is on the case!
Watch the clearance rates soar under this widely-respected and gifted police executive.
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