Mistakes Were Made
Yeah, no shit Cardinal.
We're big fans of the "innocent until proven guilty" premise that is just about exclusive to American law. Most other countries begin with a presumption of guilt and it's up to you to establish innocence - and then, the state can retry you as many times as needed to get a conviction. However, in certain situations, action MUST be taken. It doesn't have to be punitive action, but in the cases of the molestation of children, allegations must be examined and investigated quickly and thoroughly. Quickly and thoroughly might seem mutually exclusive, but they don't have to be and efforts must be made to standardize investigations such as these.
Channel 2, Channel 7 and the sun times report that the Cardinal is admitting mistakes were made during the run up to the arrest of a priest at St. Agatha's on North Lawndale. These mistakes permitted the molestation to continue for additional months. This is truly unconscionable, especially in light of how much resistance the Church put up for years denying and moving known molesters around to avoid detection and prosecution. What is it going to take for the Catholic Church to admit they have a HUGE problem that no one seems to want to address? Personally, we're hoping for huge multimillion dollar settlements that eventually bankrupt the church. Then maybe they'll realize how far they've strayed from their original mission of saving souls instead of damaging and destroying the lives of children.
We're big fans of the "innocent until proven guilty" premise that is just about exclusive to American law. Most other countries begin with a presumption of guilt and it's up to you to establish innocence - and then, the state can retry you as many times as needed to get a conviction. However, in certain situations, action MUST be taken. It doesn't have to be punitive action, but in the cases of the molestation of children, allegations must be examined and investigated quickly and thoroughly. Quickly and thoroughly might seem mutually exclusive, but they don't have to be and efforts must be made to standardize investigations such as these.
Channel 2, Channel 7 and the sun times report that the Cardinal is admitting mistakes were made during the run up to the arrest of a priest at St. Agatha's on North Lawndale. These mistakes permitted the molestation to continue for additional months. This is truly unconscionable, especially in light of how much resistance the Church put up for years denying and moving known molesters around to avoid detection and prosecution. What is it going to take for the Catholic Church to admit they have a HUGE problem that no one seems to want to address? Personally, we're hoping for huge multimillion dollar settlements that eventually bankrupt the church. Then maybe they'll realize how far they've strayed from their original mission of saving souls instead of damaging and destroying the lives of children.
posted by SCC at 1:40 AM
38 Comments:
Another example of the catholic church covering up the crimes of their leaders at the expense of their children. I hope they all burn in hell, including the priests who helped cover up their crimes. And another reason as to why catholicism is going down the tubes in this country. cardinal george should step down immediately. 2 priests in one week. What a tragedy.
Solution: All priests should be allowed a daily circle jerk together. A few of the Sisters could even join in for a quick hand-job or dare i say blow-job. Afterall, bill clinton said that it's not sex.
Just wait til I tell some stories about my Rabbi.
Oy Vie!
Don’t be so fucking native.. The Slum Times had this story on the front page for 3 days in a row. NOW, grant it, there is a big problem in the church with priests that should be running the amusement rides at Michael Jackson’s Neverland ranch. HOWEVER, there is no hard physical evidence in THIS case.
Did it ever occur to you that these fucking mules are typically going after the DEEP POCKETS as usual?? (the Roman Catholic Church) NO hard core evidence what so ever has been presented. Fabricated evidence from some bullshit nun?
The Slum-Times is a communist, left wing, pro-fruit (AND DARE I SAY atheist / pro-Israeli … uh no I better not because you’re a no-balls motherfucker that will just DELETE the truth)
There IS A MAJOR PROBLEM IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH as we all know. However, those of us who have been on the job awhile can wade through bullshit (like the Times is putting out) and know for the fact that this does not pass the “smell test”.
Unless there is hard evidence which includes clear-cut PHYSICAL evidence.. THIS HAS NO BUSINESS BEING ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE SUN-TIMES, a newspaper which is supposed to be free of the National Enquire type bullshit headlines. It is extremely BAD journalism.
……Personally, we're hoping for huge multimillion dollar settlements that eventually bankrupt the church……
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SCC.. you badmouthed the guy last week for speaking the truth about the UNJUST United Nations support of an illegal nation (Israel) And now you spew communist values and dump on the holy Catholic Church. It’s obvious that you are an atheist-brainwashed child of the modern liberal media. You should really hand over this blog to someone else to handle. A REAL COP WITH REAL VALUES.
If you ARE NOT AS I SAY… you will NOT DELETE messages like the one I am stating right now. However I’m sure you will delete it since you are probably feel that I’m some sort of wacko nazi.
CTA bus accident.. 20 shit heads jump on the back of a bus. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm... does this sound familar????
WAKE UPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!
Are you the police?
Maybe you should check the CPD medical role and see how many assholes are milking it for all it worth, they must be closely related to those 20 shitheads
SUN TIMES = SLUM TIMES
Screw reading that SHIT!
I love seeing all you Chatolic cops showing up at church every Sunday pretending for one hour that you are being faithful to Chirst's teachings. Reading the comments on this blog tells me how you really act 6 days, 23 hours a week.
You dopes do know that the money you donate in church goes to pay defense fees and settlements caused by your molesting priests.
To: A guy that doesn't have his head up his
Please tell me WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Sorry, I feel better now. You sir, along with 4:06:19, are babbling again. Go to the medicine cabinet, open the door and get your medication. You are coming across as a bluthering idiot. I sure hope that your not on the job. If you are, God help us. Or should I say God help the citizens. Are you in call back? Tell the truth now.
I personally know the 2 CCAC Dets who handled this case. One of them also handled the case from last year. He was pissed because the state wouldn't charge the priest they claimed there wasn't enough evidence.
Hey, kids just don't make this stuff up. Don't people realize how much courage it takes for a child to come forward and accuse and adult of some wrong doing. Imagine how crushed they have to feel when their story is not believed.
Too bad that nun didn't make copies of stuff she wrote. Shame on the Catholic Church for sweeping another sex abuse problem under the rug.
How much do you wanna bet that that priest slipped the mother of that first boy (see the Thurs. Sun-Times story) a couple of Benjamins?
I don't care how much money he or the church would offer me, if my child had told me he/she was molested by someone like that, I'd be in jail right about now...for homicide!
Oh yeah, hat's off to the father in Florida who punched the teacher (story in Saturday's Trib) after his daughter said the made some sort of sexual advances towards her.
You people are starting to make sense. I better go to the Doctor and get my meds increased.
There pushing a concealed carry for ASA's in Illinois. The state wants a B.A.C. of 0.02 for carry rights. This would carry over to off-duty P.O.'s too. Got to stop the drunken coppers from shooting up the town when drunk.
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SCC.. you badmouthed the guy last week for speaking the truth about the UNJUST United Nations support of an illegal nation (Israel) And now you spew communist values and dump on the holy Catholic Church. It’s obvious that you are an atheist-brainwashed child of the modern liberal media. You should really hand over this blog to someone else to handle. A REAL COP WITH REAL VALUES.
Dude, increase your meds. Now. We're talking about child molesting priests and you're bringing up Israel? We dump on child molesting priests and WE'RE wrong for dumping on the Church? We spout Republican talking points so often, Lefty's fingers bleed trying to refute us on and almost daily basis and WE'RE a child of the liberal media? We take idiot cops to task nine ways til Sunday (or haven't you been reading our screeds against drunk drivers and stupid photgraphs and jackasses getting themselves locked up) and WE'RE not the REAL Police with REAL values?
Forget your meds. Go commit yourself because you, my friend, are nuts.
Oh, and Lefty? Better check the property records - see if the Church isn't still the biggest slum lord in Chicago history. They spent too much time accumulating wealth and forgetting to accumulate souls for heaven.
We'll keep our church choice and attendence figures to ourselves though. Don't want to give away too much.
I have not gone to my local “holy” Catholic church in a while. I’m pretty sick of how they handle the problems with pervert priests. They seriously need to have a way to evaluate these people before they become priests. I’m not dropping money to support these “pervs” life styles
I hate to say it.. Bar homosexuals? It’s a known fact that 10% of the population is gay. HOWEVER, of all the homosexuals - what is the percentage that are pedophiles? 30%? 50%?? Every time you pick up a paper you see another priest getting pinched for this stuff. Is it time to just let married individuals become priests?
Also, perhaps they need a form of “Call-Back” like the police department. When a priest is alleged in a scandal he should be placed in a non-sensitive area.
As far as the Sun-Times.. I agree, they are like a tabloid paper sensationalizing a weak case. The real story is how the Catholic Church is handling their administrative investigations
Most people who say they are not going to church because of allegations against priests are using that as an excuse. Like the last poster. He admits he hasn't been to church in a while. He's just using this as an excuse. If you don't want to go to church, fine, but don't use recent events as a reason. Just say you don't want to go.
I THINK SCC HAS CRACKED UP SAYS:
Name the slum buildings SCC, where are they, the church needs a spanking, not a baseless, lying kickin the teeth. You don't know your ass from fat milk on this one. Just because you can phraphrase other blogs does not make you smart, your very judgemental, and I think your a little over the top.
You won't attack the homosexuals who perpatrate these horrible crimes, and you know nothing of the fantastic charity that the catholic church provides. You madam are a fool, yes I belive you are female, you have to many female nuances for it not to be so. I shall pray for you. I actually like lEFTISBEST now, you really need some work.
To SCC:
What I’m saying is YES, there are many pervert scumbags that are priests that need to be shot in the back of the head. (If they are in fact guilty)
However how did the thought ever occur to you that these “particular” individuals are looking for a scam?? Do you know what I mean by “particular”? Just think of it, you would like some fast cash.. who ya gonna sue? Hell, the POLICE.. “they beat me Mr. OPS.. weres my cash?” “Hey.. lets get little Roofus to say that white gay-boy priest touched little Roofus’ 12 inch ding-dong.. that’ll gets us enough to gets that new Cadillac Escalade!” All I’m saying it’s a very weak case—not worthy of a front page 3 ring circus. How many times did you hear a States Attorney say “you got nothing kid”? That’s exactly what the States Attorney said last August regarding this case. Now, its been reassigned to a 3rd rate female lush ASA and there going to see if it’ll float.
I’m just ripping on the Sun Times because it’s a weak case to begin with and they, the media, the Sun Times are the ones exploding a weak case into something palatable for the public to latch on to.
. . . Hey, kids just don't make this stuff up. Don't people realize how much courage it takes for a child to come forward and accuse and adult of some wrong doing
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They do when they are coached over and over and over again.
Remember.. NO Physical evidence.. a couple of questionable allegations = Big Payday for someone’s Mama.
TO THE PERSON WHO POSTED:
"I hate to say it.. Bar homosexuals? It’s a known fact that 10% of the population is gay. HOWEVER, of all the homosexuals - what is the percentage that are pedophiles? 30%? 50%??"
2:37:29
YOU ARE MISINFORMED...
pedophile: an adult who is sexually attracted to children
Pedophiles are not homosexuals. It is ILLEGAL to have sex with a child...LEGAL to have sex with a consenting adult.
Maybe you like, dislike, don't care either way about homosexuality...but everyone loathes pedophiles.
… What I'm saying is there is a chance that less straight people may be pedophiles.. However a greater percentage of Homosexuals MAY be pedophiles. After all.. a male priest having sex or sexual contact is obliviously a homosexual (or bi-sexual)
I am neutral in the matter but many feel that homosexually is in fact in itself a perversion.
Your known fact of 10% of the population being gay is bullshit and has been proven as such. The real figure is accepted at about 3%.
Yeah, well, how about the Catholic religion prohibits priests from getting married? No sex at all.
This is no excuse for the molesters, but it seems as if the church itself is pushing them...
Lefty,
Slumlords throughout the 20th century used Illinois law to create blind land trusts that concealed the true owners of property. Mike Royko, among others, revealed that the biggest beneficiaries of the blind trusts in covering for slumlords were the politically connected, a number of major universities and hospitals, and (gasp!) the church. As those laws were superceded by other law and the trusts came down, they were forced to unload slum dwellings. But they were among the exploiters, make no mistake about it.
To the unmedicated goof,
Pedophiles are not exclusively homosexuals and we won't paint them as such. We don't deny that the church hasn't done good work. But they've done damage too, even though you seem blind to it. It's the church that has to explaining to do - like why they covered up so much and so often for so long.
Hey SCC I can't believe you even responded to that goof.
"Those who cannot be counceled cannot be helped"
Benjamin Franklin
Step back and look at the big picture. The Catholic Church, like so much of American society, was hijacked by the liberal left in the nineteen-sixties. The priests I remember as I grew up during this period were not the limp-wristed, bearded wayouts we see today. They were instead real men who would clean the clock of any hardheaded student as easily as the best of the old coppers could. Something changed as that decade closed and we are left with the aftershocks even today. Pedophile's? Don't be afraid to say what you mean. These are persons who desire sexual contact with those of the same sex-homosexuals. You know, the same people actively recruited by the Chicago Police Department today in the name of political expediency.
EVERY TIME A PRIEST TOUCHES THE PEE PEE, CATHOLIC SCHOOL TUTTION GOES UP. KEEP PAYING THAT TUTITON.
I’m sorry.. I strongly feel that the MAJORITY of pedophiles are homosexual.. (aka: fucking milk-drinkers)
If the University of Chicago did a study I’m sure they would have the same results. However, since most of the professors there are “milk-drinkers” themselves, the results would be biased.
Tell ya what.. the next time you pinch a guy for touching little Johnny while he is watching gladiator movies with him.. pull out your dick and put it in his face while you talk nasty to him.. see if he comes on to you. I’ll bet he probably will.
Your "strongly feeling" doesn't mean shit. Learn to use google - heterosexual pedophiles outnumber homosexual pedophiles by a ratio of almost 20 to 1. Or maybe you haven't noticed 14 year old Shaniqua and Juanita and Lizzie running around knocked up by 20 something year old men? Or the school librarians getting off with Johnnie and his buddies after hours? Homosexual pedophiles are more prevelant among the priesthood because they seek out children and situations that afford them cover and a steady supply of boys - altar boys. Heterosexual pedophiles are more prevalent among the teaching profession because it gives them a steady stream of victims. Do some reseach and stop looking like an ignoramous everytime you touch a keyboard.
And by the way? That was a University of Chicago study.
Little SHANIQUA is pregnant...again???
Omigod!!!
1/30/2006 12:46:37 AM
Your "strongly feeling" doesn't mean shit. Learn to use google - heterosexual pedophiles outnumber homosexual pedophiles by a ratio of almost 20 to 1.
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Sorry to hit such a hot button with you. You certainly have some strong feeling about pedophiles. It’s obvious that when you were growing up your mommy must have enjoyed breast feeding you until you were 15. Get some therapy.
Oh.. and stay away from boy scouts yourself.
Someone actually 'Googled' pedophiles?
Sounds like this guy was the one who was part of University of Chicago study .. I hope they didn’t use real kids.
Its funny that so called church going cops complain about the church. While not in church they are framing people and planting drugs, and of course stealing cash. Holy copppers SURE!
I think SCC implied a good point which he himself and many of you overlook.
Pedophiles look for positions of trust which they can abuse. The Church offered such a position.
So yes, the Church should screen better. And in my Catholic family, people are constantly reminding kids *vaguely* not to trust any adults except for their parents and those VERY FEW adults specifically named by their parents.
I wouldn't let kids sleep over at a strange adult's house (aka as the house where the kids friends live). Nor would I entrust children with almost anyone else. Maybe if I grew up with the priest and trusted him like a brother, but that is about it.
The rest of these guys I know no better than I know most of you. And no way do I tell kids to automatically trust em.
That said, kids in our family are taught to always trust and obey a uniformed Chicago police officer. The uniformed on-duty CPD is the only class of person I would ever tell lost little kids to approach and trust.
Why? Because I've never experienced a uniformed PO who would turn his or her back on a child who is lost or otherwise in need. Never. And if I ever hear of one who does, I better not know em.
Anybody know the budget amount for legal defense in the Catholic Church in Chicago? Heard a figure about 10 years ago, and it was 3 million back then.
Is the Chicago Archdioses still the largest land owner in Cook County?
All TAX FREE i might add
Let's all take a step back and reflect on all of the legit and good Priests there are. How bad must they feel.
We all know how it feels as Police to get a bad rap in the media when one our fellow PO's goes and fucks up. We never hear about any other Religion do we? I wonder why. Do you think it happens in other religion's? Because it more then in Catholic priests.
"Hey, kids just don't make this stuff up. Don't people realize how much 1/29/2006 11:28:44 AM"
You're kidding aren't you????? Having worked one or two sex cases in my career, let me tell you, they can make up some really good stuff. Just because some kid (or person, for that matter), says it happened, doesn't make it true.
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